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    Quote Originally Posted by Whowhere View Post
    I don't get it....
    Nor do I, it is not an extract from a Flashman book either.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whowhere View Post
    I don't get it....
    Don't get what...
    She sang for mercy, for the living and the dead alike, for Bran and Rickon and Robb, for her sister Arya and her bastard brother Jon Snow, away off on the Wall. She sang for her mother and her father, for her grandfather Lord Hoster and her uncle Edmure Tully, for her friend Jeyne Poole, for old drunken King Robert, for Septa Mordane and Ser Dontos and Jory Casseland Maester Luwin, for all the brave knights and soldiers who would die today, and for thechildren and the wives who would mourn them

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    Again get what?

    And it's an extract from George RR Martin
    She sang for mercy, for the living and the dead alike, for Bran and Rickon and Robb, for her sister Arya and her bastard brother Jon Snow, away off on the Wall. She sang for her mother and her father, for her grandfather Lord Hoster and her uncle Edmure Tully, for her friend Jeyne Poole, for old drunken King Robert, for Septa Mordane and Ser Dontos and Jory Casseland Maester Luwin, for all the brave knights and soldiers who would die today, and for thechildren and the wives who would mourn them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashman's Ghost View Post
    Don't get what...
    The phrase "Comment is free killed internet forums". It doesn't make sense :S
    Whowhere, neither here nor there.

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    She sang for mercy, for the living and the dead alike, for Bran and Rickon and Robb, for her sister Arya and her bastard brother Jon Snow, away off on the Wall. She sang for her mother and her father, for her grandfather Lord Hoster and her uncle Edmure Tully, for her friend Jeyne Poole, for old drunken King Robert, for Septa Mordane and Ser Dontos and Jory Casseland Maester Luwin, for all the brave knights and soldiers who would die today, and for thechildren and the wives who would mourn them

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    *ping*
    That's the sound of the penny dropping. You mean people being able to comment on newspaper articles e.t.c. means we don't need forums to vent on.
    Whowhere, neither here nor there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whowhere View Post
    *ping*
    That's the sound of the penny dropping. You mean people being able to comment on newspaper articles e.t.c. means we don't need forums to vent on.
    Yep. If you look at at even some of the least popular stories (and it's not just the Guardian, its the the Telegraph, the Mail,etc, etc) the number of people commenting drwarfs here even in its heyday. People are still commenting, but not on 'forums'

    That said there is something to be said for smaller forums, where regular posters come on and you can start to 'know' other posters and the conversations and arguments can flow better (eg if this was on Comment is free, chances are your post would be 40 or 50 posts above mine and everyone reading would have forgotten the context of the conversation and would only have seen the post I am specifically replying to, not the ones leading to this point)
    She sang for mercy, for the living and the dead alike, for Bran and Rickon and Robb, for her sister Arya and her bastard brother Jon Snow, away off on the Wall. She sang for her mother and her father, for her grandfather Lord Hoster and her uncle Edmure Tully, for her friend Jeyne Poole, for old drunken King Robert, for Septa Mordane and Ser Dontos and Jory Casseland Maester Luwin, for all the brave knights and soldiers who would die today, and for thechildren and the wives who would mourn them

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    Comments on news paper stories really piss me off, so many single minded and one track people who actually know very little about anything. I know Ive been mistaken in the past, but at least im open to consideration.
    "Sometimes it's worth making your own opportunities instead of waiting for others"

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Raffe View Post
    Comments on news paper stories really piss me off, so many single minded and one track people who actually know very little about anything. I know Ive been mistaken in the past, but at least im open to consideration.
    Thats true here as well, as it is on every forum.

    But at least with CIF and the others there is plenty of differing comments, and amongst the chaff there is wheat. Some of the comments on the various articles often display better knowledge than the writer (and change 'often' to 'always' if the writer is Polly Toynbee) and often present differing information, which leads you to a differing conclusion than the writer has.
    She sang for mercy, for the living and the dead alike, for Bran and Rickon and Robb, for her sister Arya and her bastard brother Jon Snow, away off on the Wall. She sang for her mother and her father, for her grandfather Lord Hoster and her uncle Edmure Tully, for her friend Jeyne Poole, for old drunken King Robert, for Septa Mordane and Ser Dontos and Jory Casseland Maester Luwin, for all the brave knights and soldiers who would die today, and for thechildren and the wives who would mourn them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashman's Ghost View Post
    Yep. If you look at at even some of the least popular stories (and it's not just the Guardian, its the the Telegraph, the Mail,etc, etc) the number of people commenting drwarfs here even in its heyday. People are still commenting, but not on 'forums'

    Maybe so, but they're always heavily moderated. You can't have a real conversation with anyone or even really answer their points. Hence it's why (especially on the Mail) they're a magnet for ill-informed morons with an opinion. At least on here you can have a decent debate with someone who usually has a measure of intelligence.
    Whowhere, neither here nor there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whowhere View Post
    Maybe so, but they're always heavily moderated. You can't have a real conversation with anyone or even really answer their points. Hence it's why (especially on the Mail) they're a magnet for ill-informed morons with an opinion. At least on here you can have a decent debate with someone who usually has a measure of intelligence.
    The Guardian is heavily moderated (showing its committment to free speech, unless it doesn;t agree with it) Telegraph less so (and probably no more than here). And I could name a few ill-informed morons with an opinion on here as well (though for politeness sake I won't)

    The benefits of here are that you can have a conversation with someone you know, but it does make it harder for new comers and whilst its small size makes it easy to get to know people, it also means there is neither the diversity of opinions nor, outside a few areas, anyone who has any real background knowledge or expertise. On Comment is free I've seen regular comments by barristers on the law, economists, people who work in various industries under discussion, etc, etc
    She sang for mercy, for the living and the dead alike, for Bran and Rickon and Robb, for her sister Arya and her bastard brother Jon Snow, away off on the Wall. She sang for her mother and her father, for her grandfather Lord Hoster and her uncle Edmure Tully, for her friend Jeyne Poole, for old drunken King Robert, for Septa Mordane and Ser Dontos and Jory Casseland Maester Luwin, for all the brave knights and soldiers who would die today, and for thechildren and the wives who would mourn them

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    I've not found the Grauniad's moderating to be too heavy handed, they generally tend to moderate only where you allude to Marina Hyde's relationship with Piers Moron or when you're being a racist or libellous halfwit.

    BBC's Have Your Say, surprisingly enough, is very heavily moderated. Unless you say you live in "Britianistan" and hate teh Muzlimz and ZaNuLieBore, in which case you're welcome to fill your boots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashman's Ghost View Post
    The Guardian is heavily moderated (showing its committment to free speech, unless it doesn;t agree with it) Telegraph less so (and probably no more than here). And I could name a few ill-informed morons with an opinion on here as well (though for politeness sake I won't)
    When I say moderated, I mean pre-moderated. On this site you know that whatever you write will appear (although maybe not for long). The trouble with newspaper comment pages is they're so worried about libel (although you wouldn't think it from the articles) they vet whatever is posted first. Because of that and because it's not in semi-real time there isn't any flow.

    it also means there is neither the diversity of opinions nor, outside a few areas, anyone who has any real background knowledge or expertise. On Comment is free I've seen regular comments by barristers on the law, economists, people who work in various industries under discussion, etc, etc
    And this is the key problem. It's very difficult to vet people on this website, there are few people here with any specialist knowledge, which whilst it's good that everyone participates and chips in with their own opinion it can be a problem when someone is seeking advice for a particularly challenging problem. There are some people here with specialist knowledge wh choose to hide it, and there are some much as myself who are happy to admit what we do for a living but don't go into further details.
    As for vetting, noone here has any real evidence that I'm in the police, it's all based on trust, I'd have hoped that after being a consistent member here for 11 years and became a member here before I joined the force, people can trust me in some respects. Would people believe anything I had to say if I'd just joined and said I was a cop? Same goes for comments pages, anyone on a comments page who says they're a barrister or similar? How do we know, they're probably full of shit for all we know.

    And that's the advantage this site and others like it have over comments pages etc. We all know(ish) one another reasonably well, even those of us who choose to remain anonymous are fairly well known.
    Whowhere, neither here nor there.

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    JUst not enough newbies to replace those who left forum out of boredom

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    *bumps* I disagree.

    Have you been on The Student Room, IGN Teh Vestibule, Bodybuilding.com , specific forums related to popular items/games/activities? They are flooded with activity, you just refresh the page, and there's several new topics and replies.

    Some forums die over time, though for various reasons, lack of exposure, ageing members, various options which are sometimes better, age groups, etc

    One of the problems with forums is it's actually difficult to get to know anyone on them, the contacts aren't as 'live' and it's more drawn out. It's much easier with more 'live' communications like when playing online games, etc. to get to know people.

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