Women's Football

[Kermit]

Does anybody else know about, or care about, the fact that it is the women's European Championships this summer?

Personally I am quite looking forward to it, I quite enjoy watching women's football, and not just because of the England goalkeeper:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41218000/jpg/_41218489_rachelbrown203.jpg

[Fiend_85]

I know and care. I have friends heading in that direction (yeah lboro!)

[Man Of Kent]

I care. Shame it's all taking place oop north :mad:

And England are already one up. :thumb:

[BritJamez]

Sure am.

Been looking forward to this for a long time/

[Yerascrote]

they're playing now i think, not really into womens football, watch the FA cup final when it's on TV but don't follow it or nothing....

[film_buff]

rubbish

[Babyshambler]

I used to play womens footie. It's nice to see other people are actually interested too.

[Fiend_85]

rubbish
Why exactly?

[Lickalotapuss]

Never really watched womens footie before, odd game here and there. I watched the game yesterday and really enjoyed it, some very skillfull players, now looking forward to watching some of the other games in the competition.

[Tommo100]

tried to watch it but the standard is so poor I cant really get into it.

good luck to our girls though.

[Lickalotapuss]

tried to watch it but the standard is so poor I cant really get into it.

good luck to our girls though.
Dis-agree about the standard, I was expecting it to be a lot worse than what it was. I saw quite a few "show-boating" touches which made me smile, most of the girls had excellent first touches and some of the shots and crosses would have being worthy of top players from the premiership in my opinion.

[trinity20]

I have been watching and i am happy that finally us women are getting more recoqnition! YAY......

[Kermit]

The two Swedish strikers are at least as good as a lot of the strikers in the Premier League. They were going to get a professional men's contract in serie A, but the FIFA blocked it, after all.

[xxStandByYouxx]

I used to play and think it's quite cool that theyre actually showing some on TV like teresterial TV not just sky

[film_buff]

The game is too slow and its poor standard

The day women play in the mens game is the day i stop watching/enjoying football. They would get destroyed image one going up against roy keane he'd take them apart. They should go back to netball, female sports

[Fiend_85]

You mean it requires high level technique because they don't punt it the length of the pitch. You arrogant git.

[Skive]

Entertaining but definately not a touch on the standard of mens football.

The day womens play football alongside men is a long long way off thank god.

[film_buff]

Its not being arrogant saying that the game is crap, its venting my opinion. If a women came on and said mens football is crap compared to womens she wouldnt be callled an arrogant git she'd be praised for making her views heard and standing up for womens rights.

Are you telling me there is no technique in mens football? What about at chelsea do they "punt" it up the field every game??? No they have Robben and Duff taking it past numerous players. What about Rooney does he not have any technique??

Womens having there own world cup, whatever next? Maybe women presenting male sport on the news and sporting programs? Shit already happened. The only women who knows how to talk about sport is gabby logan, married to a rugby player and daughter of a footballer, she knows her stuff. All the rest of them talk a load of balls

[Fiend_85]

You UTTER prick. You clearly no nothing about women's sport. At all. I can't honestly believe that you're allowed to say things like that as if it's ok.

The way you talk about women's sport is the SAME WAY people would talk about black's in sport.

I bet you didn't know one of the finest fly-halfs in men's rugby is gay either did you. You're an arsehole, pure and simple, head so far up your own arse you can read (probably not read actually) the label on the back of your shirt.

[Babyshambler]

Fiendy is right. Seriously. What century are you in? You need to get with the times mate... women are fast becoming just as good as blokes at sport, jobs, etc etc... if not better. Now shut your mouth and go and talk about something you actually understand, in the Sex forum or something.

[Kermit]

Its not being arrogant saying that the game is crap, its venting my opinion.

Yeah, that is.

Saying "get back to netabll, female sports" is not venting an opinion, however, it is being deeply misogynistic.

What about at chelsea do they "punt" it up the field every game???

Well, now that you mention it...

Womens having there own world cup, whatever next? Maybe women presenting male sport on the news and sporting programs? Shit already happened. The only women who knows how to talk about sport is gabby logan, married to a rugby player and daughter of a footballer, she knows her stuff. All the rest of them talk a load of balls

Why the issue with women daring to present "male" sport on the TV? How dare they?

Don't Gallagher and Dalglish know anything either, it's not like they're the daughters of two of sport's biggest names?

And since we're on the subject, since when has Adtian Chiles ever played sport at the highest international level? What about Des Lynam? Steve Rider? Jim Rosenthal, when's he ever played football or raced an F1 car?

[film_buff]

Maybe the netball comment was harsh but honestly i can say that originally i meant that as a joke, nothing malicious.

I'm not going to change my opinion though that most female sports are crap, thats in MY eyes. The game's have no attraction for me, just because my views my be classed as old fashioned doesnt mean i should be called an arsehole and told that i can't read. I like salad cream just because some else likes brown sauce doesnt mean that i lay into.

Im doing sport studies at a level and yeah my views get me into all sorts of arguements. My point though is that i think its rubbish and because of this people complain, views cant be expressed. Every seems to ignore the fact that its not as good and consistently praise it, why should i if i dont believe this.

Actually i did know that one of the finest fly-halfs was gay but where have gays appeard from. I've never mentioned them once so dont bring that at me. If anything i feel sorry for most sports people who are gay because many feel that they cant show there true feelings.

Finally SheHasNoTime ive never posted in the sex forum. I understand what im talking about and its the fact that no one dares criticise women in any field (work, sport, etc) yet they can cirticse men until the cows come home.

[Fiend_85]

No, you're not criticising, you're being a twat.

ETA: it'd ALMOST be reasonable if you had any real idea what you were talking about, but you've demonstrated that you haven't already. My captain had no real interest in the women only side of my sport, until he saw us play in a competition. He knew we were good in our own right, and then he saw the level of technical competence in the women's game and gave us a hell of a lot more credit for it afterwards.

Not that I didn't have to compete against guys twice my size anyway.

[Lickalotapuss]

Finally SheHasNoTime ive never posted in the sex forum. I understand what im talking about and its the fact that no one dares criticise women in any field (work, sport, etc) yet they can cirticse men until the cows come home.
I don't think it has anything to do with critcising women, I'm a big football fan, a keen and able football player and believe I know quite a bit about the game. I started watching the game on Sunday and didn't really know what to expect and I believe the standard of the football played was pretty good so I think your views are coming from more of a sexest viewpoint than a footballing one. The game had absolutely everything including the tense and exciting finish. I will definately be watching the game on wednesday.

[film_buff]

Im suddenly being a twat??

Is this because im not agreeing with the majoirty of people. I like salad cream, just because you might like brown sauce and think that salad cream is rubbish doesnt mean that im going to start calling you all the names under the sun.

[Fiend_85]

No, you were being a twat anyway, I might have believed you about that netball comment being a joke (which quite frankly is a shitty joke on par with pushing paki's off cliffs jokes) if you hadn't then CONTINUED to slate women's sport in a separate post.

[film_buff]

i dont like womens football so why does that mean that im on the same level as someone homophobic and racists.

I think you saying push paki's of a cliff is abit more extreme than saying play netball

[Fiend_85]

No, you saying that women should play "women's sports" is on a par with racism and homophobia. actually. You saying that women have no right to get the coverage they deserve because you don't like it, is on a par with racism and homophobia. You're still being a twat, you should give up, you have no defence at all.

[Babyshambler]

Finally SheHasNoTime ive never posted in the sex forum. I understand what im talking about and its the fact that no one dares criticise women in any field (work, sport, etc) yet they can cirticse men until the cows come home.

I havent criticised any men at the sports they play. In fact, I enjoy watching male-orientated sports. I also enjoy watching female-orientated sports. It doesn't mean that men can't play netball, or women can't play football. We're in the 21st century, sexism shouldn't come into things like this. But your views appear very sexist. Correct me if I;m wrong, but you have a very closed-minded opinion.

[film_buff]

That was a joke love, something you laugh at. Im sure if a female had said something like men stay out of the kitchen you cant cook you'd all the laughing your heads off. But because its the other way round im suddenly made to look like ive commited a crime.

[Fiend_85]

No, it wasn't a joke, you actually meant it, you're digging a hole with a lie no-one is going to believe.

[Babyshambler]

That was a joke love, something you laugh at. Im sure if a female had said something like men stay out of the kitchen you cant cook you'd all the laughing your heads off. But because its the other way round im suddenly made to look like ive commited a crime.

Pipe down in the corner.

[film_buff]

Believe what ever you want, i better change my opioion however so that i dont recieve any more abuse.

Womens football is amazing, can we have more of it on tv please. Infact sign them up into the mens game, wayne rooney whos he these england females will put him to shame in the talent department.

[Skive]

I can't think of one sport that should belong exclusively to one sex.
However men out perform women at most sports. It's not sexist, it is the truth.

In most sports this often means that the game with the highest standard of play is going to be played by the Men. It doesn't automatically mean it's less entertaining, though in the case of football I believe it is.

On the flip side I find ladies tennis far more entertaining simply because it's a slower game.

[Fiend_85]

TBH i only think out perform is when women compete with men directly. I don't think that at the highest standard anything need be lost simply because it has to be played differently.

For me in my sport I do compete with men directly, and give them a run for their money most of the time, and beat them plenty, the unbalanced mixed game is played differently to balanced mixed to women only, but they are all just as entertaining.

[Kermit]

Maybe the netball comment was harsh but honestly i can say that originally i meant that as a joke, nothing malicious.

In jest lies the truth.

its the fact that no one dares criticise women in any field (work, sport, etc) yet they can cirticse men until the cows come home.

*yawn*

Damn those women pulling you up on being a misogynistic tosser, eh? Selfish bitches.

[Kermit]

However men out perform women at most sports. It's not sexist, it is the truth.

In most sports this often means that the game with the highest standard of play is going to be played by the Men.

It depends on how you define "highest standard of play".

Comparable men will always be able to run faster or hit the ball harder than comparable women, that's a fact. But technique and skill isn't just about raw physical power, otherwise Emile Heskey (for example) would be a much better striker than Michael Owen (for example). And he isn't.

Your example of women's tennis is a good one. There is more technique in the women's game because they don't have the raw power to belt the ball at 156mph, so they have to have a better all-round game. In the men's game it is all about raw power, which is why Henman (who has great technique but a slow serve) will always fall slightly short.

I would also bet money that someone like Hanna Ljungberg would run rings around most (new old) Division One defences.

[film_buff]

Hanna Ljungberg would never be able to get past the defences they would just hit her with a hard tackle.

[Fiend_85]

FO really, you're embarassing yourself.

[film_buff]

so you reckon that this Hanna Ljungberg could cause damage in the mens game. Image her playing somewhere like Millwalls New Den. She wouldnt stand a chance, how could she physical compeat with someone like Chris Morgan whos theory is man first ball second.

I guess im embarrssing myself because im willing to vent a contraversial view

[Fiend_85]

Seriously, I think you've removed yourself from any right to an opinion with your utter cuntishness.

No-one has said that the women can play the men. You fuckwit. That doesn't mean Hanna Ljungberg isn't any good, because she is.

[film_buff]

I would also bet money that someone like Hanna Ljungberg would run rings around most (new old) Division One defences.

I think that says that women could play against men. Try to prevent yourself swearing at me, at least im putting my side across without having to swear

[Fiend_85]

I don't give a shit. I would say Kermit knows more than me, Hanna Ljungberg up against Prem wouldn't do very well, but Kermit says she's good enough to take on Div 1 then fair enough.

[film_buff]

Believe whatever you want cause no matter what i say ill get panned for having a contraversial view

[Skive]

It depends on how you define "highest standard of play".

'Standard' probably wasn't the right word to use.
I think it's quite fair to say that men have a physical edge over women when it comes to sport. This means that men will generally out perform women at most sports.
Does sex influence technique and skill though? I don't know.

I do find mens football more entertainly than womens. That's just me being honest. It doesn't mean women shouldn't play it - just that I probably wouldn't pay to watch it.

[Kermit]

Hanna Ljungberg would never be able to get past the defences they would just hit her with a hard tackle.
And?

Or are you trying to imply that girls can't take a hard tackle? Might they chip a fingernail and start crying or something?

You really are embarrassing yourself.

Nobody is saying that all women can play against all men. And mixed professional games will never happen. But someone like Ljungberg would run rings around most Championshit defences, on ability at least.

[Fiend_85]

In my experience women tend to be better at technique and skill because they have to be, generally speaking. Specifically I will be a better handler than most guys on my team because I lack the strength to pass reliably the length of the pitch.

It's not the strict truth, and I would certainly say there was no handicap from skill and technique between sexes.

[film_buff]

Are you telling me she would run rings around a defence of

Graham Alexander
Phil Jagelika
Gary Breen
George McCartney

I dont think so

[Skive]

In my experience women tend to be better at technique and skill because they have to be

Why do they have to be?

[Fiend_85]

Because women don't share the physical strength. So it's made up for with superior skill.

With ultimate frisbee as an example, freddie can throw a disc 80 metres, ie the length of the pitch, in fact the men on my team can hammer a disk (type of overhead throw) three times further than I can. So I make up for it, by being able to fake faster, to lose my mark, and throw more accurately, to complete more passes.

[Skive]

Because women don't share the physical strength. So it's made up for with superior skill.

I don't believe that for second.
Why should your skill or technique be better just because you less strong physically?

[Fiend_85]

You don't believe it because it's me? Or your experience differs? Or what? I think women work harder on technique to make for being less strong physically. I don't think that men are less able, I just don't think they have to work as hard on technique because they have greater physical strength.

[Kermit]

I think it's quite fair to say that men have a physical edge over women when it comes to sport. This means that men will generally out perform women at most sports.

I think that's a fair comment. At some point the extra stamina will come into play, and the extra physical power of men will tell.

Does sex influence technique and skill though? I don't know.

I don't think it does at all, which was my point. But there's no point being able to do beautiful backhands against an opponent if its a war of serves, for instance, because it won't make a difference unless you can serve too.

[quite]I do find mens football more entertainly than womens. That's just me being honest. It doesn't mean women shouldn't play it - just that I probably wouldn't pay to watch it.[/QUOTE]

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that, it's a perfectly valid opinion.

film_buff would have a perfectly valid opinion if he said "women's football isn't for me". But instead he starts bprattling on with his misogynistic claptrap about how women are "inferior" and should "stick to girly sports", persumably in case they break a nail.

[Kermit]

Are you telling me she would run rings around a defence of

Graham Alexander
Phil Jagelika
Gary Breen
George McCartney

I dont think so

No, she'd probably just run straight past them. And not just because the only decent defender you listed there was Breen.

But I digress.

Stamina and extra physical power will make a difference during the course of an entire game, I don't think that's in doubt, but not having quite as much stamina doesn't make one a less able player.

[film_buff]

please find where i said that women are inferior. Not once did i say that. Ive been forced into venting my dislike of the womens game because of the abuse i got cause i said it was rubbish (because its not for me).

As if she'd run straight past them they are the best defenders in the championship

[Skive]

You don't believe it because it's me?

Why would you think that? I don't understand that. :confused:

I think women work harder on technique to make for being less strong physically. I don't think that men are less able, I just don't think they have to work as hard on technique because they have greater physical strength.

But surely men have to work just as hard at their technique to have the edge on other male players who are of a similar physical strength?

Can you not have physical abillity AND technique?

[Fiend_85]

Yes you can have physical abillity and strength, I've not said you can't, it was a generalisation and not the rule. For example Beckham's cross is the result of work on the technique. If we return to tennis, Henman has great style, but because his serve is lacking he's not as good, and that is not because the other men have better style and technique but because they serve at 170mph or whatever.

[Kermit]

please find where i said that women are inferior. Not once did i say that. Ive been forced into venting my dislike of the womens game because of the abuse i got cause i said it was rubbish (because its not for me).

As if she'd run straight past them they are the best defenders in the championship
Aww you poor diddums, have people been all nasty to you?

Every single one of your posts has exuded misogyny. Go and look up that word inh the dictionary.

Who cares if she'd run past them, really? It's a moot point anyway, though I do believe that the best women players like Ham and Ljungberg are a match for a lot of men.

[film_buff]

how has hating womens football suddenly mean i hate women. If i hate pasnips does that mean i hate everyone who eats parsnips??

[Kermit]

how has hating womens football suddenly mean i hate women.

It doesn't.

Telling them to go away and play girly sports, and don't dare dirty the name of male sports, is misogynistic. It's not that hard a point to grasp.

[Man Of Kent]

Obviously I watched a different game at the weekend.

The game I saw at the weekedn had two competing teams of skilled players, a close match with no obvious winner.

A couple of weeks ago, I saw another game which was so one-sided I thought the coach was going to throw the towel in.

Guess which was the women's game?

[Babyshambler]

please find where i said that women are inferior. Not once did i say that. Ive been forced into venting my dislike of the womens game because of the abuse i got cause i said it was rubbish (because its not for me).

As if she'd run straight past them they are the best defenders in the championship

If female football is not for you, then that's OK. But calling it rubbish is slating it - and that's why you're getting all this shit from everyone.

You can't argue your point, especially against people like Kermit because he knows how to illustrate what he is trying to say properly, and clearly, you don't.

And if there is a decent female player, who says she can't beat a bloke with a ball? Come back when you've actually taken time out to watch a ladies game properly with an open mind.

[Addict]

Because women don't share the physical strength. So it's made up for with superior skill.

With ultimate frisbee as an example, freddie can throw a disc 80 metres, ie the length of the pitch, in fact the men on my team can hammer a disk (type of overhead throw) three times further than I can. So I make up for it, by being able to fake faster, to lose my mark, and throw more accurately, to complete more passes.

I don't really understand this statement, that women have superior technique and skill because they train it more than the powerful males. This makes all males seem like big strong powerful brutes who only rely on physical strength and power to be better at sports, thereby not training their technique as efficiently as females. Obviously that's not true, and you get plenty of males who will have just as good, if not better technique than women at some of the sports mentioned. Just because females lack physical prowess does not neccessarily mean that their technique can be fine-tuned to be superior over males.

On the subject of women's football, I think it's great. It's good to watch, and of quite a decent standard. I wouldn't make a habit of watching it or go out of my way to do so, but it's certainly quite respectable and better than I predicted tbh. It also gives us some footie to watch, so we don't get the withdrawal symptoms of the close season just yet. ;)

[Fiend_85]

I never said it was a given, I said it was the general rule. GENERAL.

[Jim V]

Gotta love how big women's football was - well until the FA decided they'd had enough of it -

April 1920: The first international game was held between two women's teams. Dick, Kerr's Ladies (a Preston-based team) invited a women's French representative team to play a series of games for charity. A crowd of 25,000 saw Dick, Kerr's Ladies win 2-0.

Boxing Day 1920: The biggest ever crowd recorded for a women's game in England took place when 53,000 people watched Dick, Kerr's Ladies beat their closest rivals, St Helen's Ladies, 4-0.

December 1921: The Football Association banned women from playing on Football League grounds. Although there were discrepancies to be found in the accounts, the main reason was that: "Complaints have been made as to football being played by women, the council feel impelled to express their strong opinion that the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged." Though the game continued there was a great decrease in interest.

from - http://www.thefa.com/Womens/EnglandSenior/History/

[Jim V]

Oh and you know... calm down, play nice, don't insult people back just because you find their views offensive

[Kermit]

Oliver Holt in today's Mirror makes a good point that- regardless of one's opinion of the quality of the game- the fact is that the men's game wasn't exactly a beacon of talent when it first started getting played.

I think it was a real shame that the experiment of having Fulham Ladies as a pro team didn't work.

I will say for nothing that the Finland game was probably a better game in terms of ability as well as excitement than the last League One game I was "fortunate" enough to catch.

[Addict]

I never said it was a given, I said it was the general rule. GENERAL.

So, as a general rule women have better technique than men at sports? :confused:

[Babyshambler]

Just to remind everyone to switch BBC2 on now for the England match...

[Skive]

So, as a general rule women have better technique than men at sports? :confused:


I couldn't understand it either.

[Senor Miguel]

um, yeah i saw the women's france v italy the other night, and it was watchable, but i wasn't in awe, the game is definitely slower, less end-to-end, and you just don't see the same scanks you would in the men's game.........could you give an example of a woman with 'superior technique' then say, ronaldo or zidane? i think not.