Imagine Another 5 Years .....

[Rich Kid]

Can you imagine another five years of Phoney Blair? Its enough to make you reach for your sick bag. I pray for a miracle.
http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=involved.advert.page

[Mad Mac]

Can you imagine another five years of Phoney Blair? Its enough to make you reach for your sick bag. I pray for a miracle.
http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=involved.advert.page
the prospect of another 5 mins of this shit makes me want to reach for the sick bag!

[Mad Mac]

i think you are tony blairs bastard child,out for revenge!

[Yerascrote]

seriously rich kid, i thnk this whole labour hate campaign has gone too far, it's annoying and is getting quite pathetic tbh, plus it's clogging the board up, why don't you make one single thread where you can slag "phoney" :rolleyes: blair and the likes...

[Blagsta]

Personally I don't see any major differences between the tories and labour

[Yerascrote]

Personally I don't see any major differences between the tories and labour

thats because there isn't...even between the lib dems aswell to a degree most policies are the same with we differences like...

rich kid still probably thinks labour are this ultra-left union supporting anarachist party or some weird shit like that...

[Mad Mac]

he is constantly making the point that labour is a watered down tory party,yes it is!,so fucking what????? don't you think we can see this? but the most important fact is that it isnt the tory party! imo. at the moment we have the best of both worlds,sure there are issues with the government that i don't agree with,but they are not a reason to change the government......the tories made a complete bollocks of this country when they were in power,i just don't want to see history repeat itself....3 million+ unemployed?? no thanks.

[morrocan roll]

Personally I don't see any major differences between the tories and labour
i do.
a labour chancllor v a tory chancer.
huge difference.
did you know ...a mate of mine has started a small self employed situation ...so tyhis government give him a hundred and fifty quid a week and pay most of his rent ...for a year!
can you imagine the tories doing that?
labour are pouring millions into the nhs ...can you see the tories doing that?
minimum wage?
family tax credits?

[marv]

http://www.allfunpics.com/data/media/5/dontcare.jpg

[Yerascrote]

he is constantly making the point that labour is a watered down tory party,yes it is!,so fucking what????? don't you think we can see this? but the most important fact is that it isnt the tory party! imo. at the moment we have the best of both worlds,sure there are issues with the government that i don't agree with,but they are not a reason to change the government......the tories made a complete bollocks of this country when they were in power,i just don't want to see history repeat itself....3 million+ unemployed?? no thanks.

well said...i know this country is far from perfect but i've said it many times before, we're in a period of general prosperity, yes there still is poverty, blair took us to an illegal war but ffs, life is great for many and from the choices we have in voting, the question isn't why vote for labour, it's why not vote for labour?

[MrG]

rk keeps on saying that he hates labour, and tells us somewhere else in another thread that he might not vote conservative and isnt a member of the tory party

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[Rich Kid]

I don't like Bliar but I'm really no great fan of Howard either

[MrG]

I don't like Bliar but I'm really no great fan of Howard either

you want his babies dont you

plus howard is the son of an imigrant anyway :)

[morrocan roll]

you want his babies dont you

plus howard is the son of an imigrant anyway :)...and didn't his parents lie to get to stay here ...meaning the howard family should be sent back?

[Teh_Gerbil]

...and didn't his parents lie to get to stay here ...meaning the howard family should be sent back?

Yes, but when your him, it doesn't matter, because as lnog as they are white to Howard I think.

Rich Kid, I was starting to take you seriously. No, I am afraid I no longer can. Stop it with the Anti Labour trolling already. FFS!

[Namaste]

Personally I don't see any major differences between the tories and labour
I dunno, who's more of an opportunist?

[Guest_]

Are you thinking what we're thinking? :grump:

[Flashman's Ghost]

Personally I don't see any major differences between the tories and labour

I agree, but whilst I suspect you see that as a bad thing, I see it as a good one.

The majority of people are happy with having a mixed economy, where Tesco and the NHS can exist side by side.

And its better to live in a society where our politicians are arguing over minor things, than living in one which is fundamentally split

[Senor Miguel]

or could it just be that all the major parties are happy to ignore the big long term issues, like pensions, NHS, global warming, because the effects of such changes wouldn't be seen for 30 or 40 years............so instead they chat a lot of shit about immigration.

[Flashman's Ghost]

or could it just be that all the major parties are happy to ignore the big long term issues, like pensions, NHS, global warming, because the effects of such changes wouldn't be seen for 30 or 40 years............so instead they chat a lot of shit about immigration.

No. They agree on these long term issues more or less. Both parties support the Kyoto Protocol (one of the first Government Environmental initiatives was the Energy Efficiency best practice Programme set up in 1989 under Thatcher and John Gummer is regarded by many as one of the best Secretary's of State for Environmental matters).

Both agree broadly on the pensions (and immigration has major knock on effects on that both good and ill).

Both parties support the NHS (and what long term changes in the NHS will take 30 or 40 years to manifest themselves?)

[Rich Kid]

Yes, but when your him, it doesn't matter, because as lnog as they are white to Howard I think.
Thats a nasty and unprovoked racist remark to make.

Rich Kid, I was starting to take you seriously. No, I am afraid I no longer can. Stop it with the Anti Labour trolling already. FFS!
I'm not trolling as you call it, I simply dislike Labour and particularly that smiling con-man Phoney Blair. It grieves me to think that he'll get back in but of course he will.
The only good thing that will come from a Labour victory is that Phil Collins won't be returning to live in this country from tax exile in Switzerland.

[Senor Miguel]

No. They agree on these long term issues more or less. Both parties support the Kyoto Protocol (one of the first Government Environmental initiatives was the Energy Efficiency best practice Programme set up in 1989 under Thatcher and John Gummer is regarded by many as one of the best Secretary's of State for Environmental matters).

Both agree broadly on the pensions (and immigration has major knock on effects on that both good and ill).

Both parties support the NHS (and what long term changes in the NHS will take 30 or 40 years to manifest themselves?)

the kyoto protocol is a nice gesture, but really won't do much to tackle global warming, that would require a big change in our lives that no government is prepared to accept right now.........

the pension crisis is another problem that won't fully manifest itself for another generation or so, by which time it will be too late, tell me what is being done about this because i don't think it's a major policy with any of the parties.......

and what i meant by the NHS is that it will probably survive another 30 odd years at the rate money is being pumped into it, but i dont believe it's sustainable in the long term.........

[Flashman's Ghost]

the kyoto protocol is a nice gesture, but really won't do much to tackle global warming, that would require a big change in our lives that no government is prepared to accept right now.........

Government or people? The political parties won't put forward radical solutions because the public won't accept them. That said whilst Global Warming is a problem it is probably overstated by the doom mongers.

the pension crisis is another problem that won't fully manifest itself for another generation or so, by which time it will be too late, tell me what is being done about this because i don't think it's a major policy with any of the parties.......

Again probably overstated - but all the parties are doing things. My retirement age has just been increased by 5 years for example.


and what i meant by the NHS is that it will probably survive another 30 odd years at the rate money is being pumped into it, but i dont believe it's sustainable in the long term.........

It probably is sustainable. We're not putting that much of our GNP into it and over the next thirty years its likely that our wealth will increase.

That said, all the parties do have policies to make it more effective and give more bang for the buck.

[Man Of Kent]

Both parties support the NHS (and what long term changes in the NHS will take 30 or 40 years to manifest themselves?)

The change which needs to be started right now. It's the change in culture which means thatthe NHS because a preventative health service rather than a reactive one. It's the change which requires public responsibility for their own health and it will take 20 years before the effects are seen in terms of heart disease/lung diseases etc, much of it won't be seen until my generation retires

It's the change needed if the NHS is going to still exist in 30/40 years time.

[CptCoatHanger]

The change which needs to be started right now. It's the change in culture which means thatthe NHS because a preventative health service rather than a reactive one. It's the change which requires public responsibility for their own health and it will take 20 years before the effects are seen in terms of heart disease/lung diseases etc, much of it won't be seen until my generation retires

It's the change needed if the NHS is going to still exist in 30/40 years time.

I completely agree. The public need to be more accountable for the state of their own health. I don't mean by wasting perfectly good money on that bloody slug that tells us too much salt is bad for us either.

[Man Of Kent]

Thats a nasty and unprovoked racist remark to make..

Huh, why is it racist to suggest that Michael Howard doesn't care about white immigration?

BTW Did you know that the Tory "It's not racist to want limits on immigration" poster is only placed in predominantly white areas. Doesn't that suggest that they are pandering to white voters on this subject and therefore suggest that it is a racist policy?

[Flashman's Ghost]

Huh, why is it racist to suggest that Michael Howard doesn't care about white immigration?

BTW Did you know that the Tory "It's not racist to want limits on immigration" poster is only placed in predominantly white areas. Doesn't that suggest that they are pandering to white voters on this subject and therefore suggest that it is a racist policy?

Do you have a source for that? because I live in Walthamstow (which is certainly isn't a predominantly white area) and I've seen them around.

[Flashman's Ghost]

The change which needs to be started right now. It's the change in culture which means thatthe NHS because a preventative health service rather than a reactive one. It's the change which requires public responsibility for their own health and it will take 20 years before the effects are seen in terms of heart disease/lung diseases etc, much of it won't be seen until my generation retires

It's the change needed if the NHS is going to still exist in 30/40 years time.

But isn't this happening now? My GP's given me a booklet on stopping smoking, with the number of a local smoking cessastion helpline. And whilst I don't disagree with prevenative health care, the more succesful it is the older people will live to and the more resources will need to spent on them.

Its anecdotal, but both my grandparents who smoked died from massive strokes. My grandparents who didn't, lived to an older age, but probably used more resources as they needed more treatment over the years.

The NHS (or any medical service) will always need to be a mixture of preventive and reactive.

[Man Of Kent]

Sorry, I can't find it now. It was an accusation from a Muslim Pressure Group - one that I wouldn't have said were "precious" in any way but were very much moderates...

[Man Of Kent]

But isn't this happening now? My GP's given me a booklet on stopping smoking, with the number of a local smoking cessastion helpline.

To an extent, but it's not just about smoking...

And whilst I don't disagree with prevenative health care, the more succesful it is the older people will live to and the more resources will need to spent on them.

The main causes of disease, and therefore need for treatment, are COPD and CHD (Lungs and heart). Healthy living would reduce the volume of these conditions and therefore the need for treatment.

COPD alone is the biggest threat to the NHS.

Preventative healthcare offers the NHS so much more in reduction of admission to hospital and visits to GPs. One only have to look at US organisation like Kaiser Permente (sp?) to see the benefits which can be gained...

The NHS (or any medical service) will always need to be a mixture of preventive and reactive.

I wouldn't disagree, but don't be surprised if smokers and drinkers found themselves facing treatment delays/financial penalties in the future

[Flashman's Ghost]

To an extent, but it's not just about smoking...

I'd agree, but I just used that as an example, because I know about it from personal experience (being a midnight choker)


The main causes of disease, and therefore need for treatment, are COPD and CHD (Lungs and heart). Healthy living would reduce the volume of these conditions and therefore the need for treatment.

COPD alone is the biggest threat to the NHS.

But if people didn't smoke and drink into an early grave surely they will need other more expensive tratements, which is the price of getting older. Older people will need to spend more time in hospitals, they will suffer other types of cancer which will need to be treated, hip replacements etc. Never mind the income which is lost from taxes on alcohol and cigs.

Preventative healthcare offers the NHS so much more in reduction of admission to hospital and visits to GPs. One only have to look at US organisation like Kaiser Permente (sp?) to see the benefits which can be gained...

I'm sure there are benefits (especially to the individuals who live longer). I just question how much of a saving (in financial terms) there is from people living longer.


I wouldn't disagree, but don't be surprised if smokers and drinkers found themselves facing treatment delays/financial penalties in the future

Don't you find that a scary prospect? Given that many of these smokers and drinkers will probably have paid more in taxes into the NHS than the non-smoking, teetotal vegan on the same income shouldn't they get at least equality of treatment? And also since many smokers come from lower income families than non-smokers isn't there a further risk that the NHS is not treating (or at least give lesser treatment) to those with the least ability to go private?

Thread hijacking complete :o

[CraigWatson]

This is a pretty controversial issue, so ill probably recieve my share of bashers.. Ive been a practicing doctor for 6 years now,and am so sick of national health care ( im from canada that has pretty much a similar system, but have been living here for years and love it, so please save the " go back to canada" repies, haha ) The best system would be a national system, still ran by the government, but payed for with health insurance policy ( which would be private) premiums would be pretty hefty, but would be income based. the more you earn the more you pay, the less, well, the less you pay. the hospitals would also be competing agaisnt each other for your business, trying to improve service while reducing wait times etc...

Craig

[Rich Kid]

BTW Did you know that the Tory "It's not racist to want limits on immigration" poster is only placed in predominantly white areas. Doesn't that suggest that they are pandering to white voters on this subject and therefore suggest that it is a racist policy?
Haven't seen any in Chalfont St Peter, Chalfont St Giles, Gerrards Cross, Denham, Beaconsfield, Amersham, etc
I think you're talking out of your backside as usual MOK.

[Teh_Gerbil]

Thats a nasty and unprovoked racist remark to make.


I'm not trolling as you call it, I simply dislike Labour and particularly that smiling con-man Phoney Blair. It grieves me to think that he'll get back in but of course he will.
The only good thing that will come from a Labour victory is that Phil Collins won't be returning to live in this country from tax exile in Switzerland.

Excuse me? I am Racist for disliking Howards racism? Come again on that one? :confused: One can hardly say Howard isn't at least slightly racist.

Righto, do we need TEN TOPICS OR MORE on the fact you dislike Tony? NO! WE DON'T!

Please, unless any of them make different points, stick to one for saying "OMGS, I don't like the Tony Blair!". Ok?

Howard is no better, I suggest you realise this or prepare to be even more dissapointed when he gets in, and knives everything left working in Britain. Lesser of Two Evils is Mr. Bliar. (Name intentional, A better joke than yours :p ).

Rich Kid... just... stop it with the pointless topics, ok?

[Rich Kid]

I think its time you (gerbil) stopped calling Howard a racist in a pathetic attempt to discredit a decnt honourable man who may not win the election but has more honesty, integrity and trustworthiness in his little finger than Phoney Blair has in his entire body.

Phoney will get back in and I'm really looking forward to seeing the slow disintergration of New Labour and its policies. I will relish the divisions and splits that will occur and hopefully paralyse the adminstration as Old Labour starts to re-assert itself over New Labour.
I will be watching intently for the slightest sign of discord and rebellion and will thoroughly enjoy the spectacle.

[morrocan roll]

todays paper ...one tory candidate has posted leaflets to whit areas going on about imigration.
another leaflet to the muslim area boasting how he has helped them and supported them and praising their contribution to british life ...no mention of immigration.

[Yerascrote]

rich kid...call the man Tony will ya ffs?

[Mad Mac]

I think its time you (gerbil) stopped calling Howard a racist in a pathetic attempt to discredit a decnt honourable man who may not win the election but has more honesty, integrity and trustworthiness in his little finger than Phoney Blair has in his entire body.

Phoney will get back in and I'm really looking forward to seeing the slow disintergration of New Labour and its policies. I will relish the divisions and splits that will occur and hopefully paralyse the adminstration as Old Labour starts to re-assert itself over New Labour.
I will be watching intently for the slightest sign of discord and rebellion and will thoroughly enjoy the spectacle.
do you really think in your heart of hearts that this will happen?..come on....how old are you? have your parents brain washed you into thinking old labour will come and bite you in the arse?

[Mad Mac]

rich kid...call the man Tony will ya ffs?
yes,i'm fucked off with that aswel!

[Man Of Kent]

decnt honourable man

A decent honourable man who, although a beneficiary of immigration himself, would restrict access for others?

A decent honourable man who needs to lie about MRSA rates because he wants to increase fear?

[Man Of Kent]

Haven't seen any in Chalfont St Peter, Chalfont St Giles, Gerrards Cross, Denham, Beaconsfield, Amersham, etc

How safe is the seat there?

I think you're talking out of your backside as usual MOK.#

Usual?

Care to link to other places where this has happened?

Or would you like to return to the NHS Thread which was started in your honour, where I show that your "stories" actually amount to a pile of shit.

Or perhaps you could return to the thread about BA Pilots, where I show that you argue opposing points when it suits your argument...

The day I need a lecture from you about talking out of my arse, is the day that the seas boil...

[Senor Miguel]

yes,i'm fucked off with that aswel!

maybe RK should have his own nickname so he knows how annoying it is.......how about bitch kid? since that's all he does.....

[Mad Mac]

maybe RK should have his own nickname so he knows how annoying it is.......how about bitch kid? since that's all he does.....
good one :thumb: ..from now on he shall be known as"bitch kid".

[morrocan roll]

maybe RK should have his own nickname so he knows how annoying it is.......how about bitch kid? since that's all he does.....

dick will do.

there is no way this guy has a business ...
i reckon he may well live at home with rich mum and dad.

[Renzo]

Haven't seen any in Chalfont St Peter, Chalfont St Giles, Gerrards Cross, Denham, Beaconsfield, Amersham, etc
I think you're talking out of your backside as usual MOK.

Because those idiots will just vote Tory whatever policy's and whatever candidate was put up. Toffy bucks types would vote for a monkey in a blue badge.

[morrocan roll]

vote for a monkey .
rather that than vote fucking tory!

[Teh_Gerbil]

Because those idiots will just vote Tory whatever policy's and whatever candidate was put up. Toffy bucks types would vote for a monkey in a blue badge.

Indeed, why bother putting up stuff when you'll win it anyway.

Im getting pissed off with our postbox being flooded with Tory shit every week now. Its a limitless waste of paper.

Disk isn't the same as Bitch Kid, its not a crap play on words, although it gets the point acros as well.

Bitch Kid, why do you try and discredit honourable, honest, etc bullshit Tony Blair then? YOU think Howard is honourable an honest?

Yeah, bullshit, not many politicians are, and when they are they tend to be removed from power or discredited via lies. Or just prevented from getting power in the first place.

[morrocan roll]

no dick?

[Man Of Kent]

Huh, why is it racist to suggest that Michael Howard doesn't care about white immigration?

BTW Did you know that the Tory "It's not racist to want limits on immigration" poster is only placed in predominantly white areas. Doesn't that suggest that they are pandering to white voters on this subject and therefore suggest that it is a racist policy?

Dick. You responded to the second part, but not the first. Why is that.

Does the expression "talking out of your arse" apply to you here?

[Teh_Gerbil]

no dick?
Ok, i'll go for that one.

[seeker]

The best system would be a national system, still ran by the government


How did you reach this conclusion ? What was the conclusion based on ?


seeker

[Blagsta]

The majority of people are happy with having a mixed economy, where Tesco and the NHS can exist side by side.

Although Labour seem intent on slowly privatising the NHS

[Thunderstruck]

We might aswell wise up to the fact that Tesco is slowly but surely taking over the universe and the sooner we turn over all schools, hospitals, prisons and public transport responsibilities to them, the better!

Vote Tesco for a happier Britain!

[Rich Kid]

rich kid...call the man Tony will ya ffs?
Never. To me he's always Phoney, phoney by name, phoney by nature.

[Rich Kid]

How safe is the seat there?
Buckinghamshire is one of the country's most sensible rational counties in that all its 5 MP's are Tories with majorities ranging from 10,000 - 13,000. We don't have Labour infection in Bucks thank God. Keep the riff-raff out.

Usual?
Every post you make.

The day I need a lecture from you about talking out of my arse, is the day that the seas boil...
You won't take direction or friendly advice given with the best of intentions will you? Its a pity because you could have potential to become a sensible poster but you do need to listen more.

[Aladdin]

Do you realise Rich Kid that, like Michael Howard, you are making people so sick and tired with your non-stop 24/7 anti-Blair drivel it's all having the opposite effect on people and making them vote for Labour again just to stick two fingers to all this bullshit?

[Clandestine]

RK giving lectures to others about sensible posting lol. Now THAT is rich indeed!

[Rich Kid]

Because those idiots will just vote Tory whatever policy's and whatever candidate was put up. Toffy bucks types would vote for a monkey in a blue badge.
You're a disgrace to the county Renzo. Just because we've got more sense than to allow the Labour infection spread into Bucks.
May I suggest that when you evetually leave Uni with you modest degree that you seek employment and a home outside Bucks, say somewhere up North, anywhere north of Watford will do. We don't want your type living in the Chalfonts thank you.

[Flashman's Ghost]

Do you realise Rich Kid that, like Michael Howard, you are making people so sick and tired with your non-stop 24/7 anti-Blair drivel it's all having the opposite effect on people and making them vote for Labour again just to stick two fingers to all this bullshit?

Course he does. I reckon if we traced where he's posting from it Labour Central Office :thumb:

Now ho says I can't do conspiracy theories :D

[Aladdin]

Course he does. I reckon if we traced where he's posting from it Labour Central Office :thumb:

Now ho says I can't do conspiracy theories :D I'm certainly starting to think that no Tory supporter could be so inept at trying to put a message across, so I think you might well be right.

[Renzo]

You're a disgrace to the county Renzo. Just because we've got more sense than to allow the Labour infection spread into Bucks.
May I suggest that when you evetually leave Uni with you modest degree that you seek employment and a home outside Bucks, say somewhere up North, anywhere north of Watford will do. We don't want your type living in the Chalfonts thank you.

You are a fucking idiot.

I don't care what you think, I'm not from Bucks anyway. Had to move their from Cardiff. Guh I hope most of south bucks gets Nuked if its full of people like you.

And what the hell do you mean by modest degree?

And watford is just to the east of Bucks idiot.

[Rich Kid]

I don't care what you think, I'm not from Bucks anyway. Had to move their from Cardiff.
Can I suggest that perhaps you return to the rain-soaked, leek-eating Principality when you evetually leave Uni. You get a train from Paddington or take the M4 if you're driving.

And watford is just to the east of Bucks idiot.
I know where Watford is. To me its where the North starts.

[Renzo]

Can I suggest that perhaps you return to the rain-soaked, leek-eating Principality when you evetually leave Uni. You get a train from Paddington or take the M4 if you're driving.


I know where Watford is. To me its where the North starts.

I might stay just to piss you off. I can't say where I'm working yet. Exeter is also being soaked by rain ctually.

Then you truely are an idiot.

[Blagsta]

You're a disgrace to the county Renzo. Just because we've got more sense than to allow the Labour infection spread into Bucks.
May I suggest that when you evetually leave Uni with you modest degree that you seek employment and a home outside Bucks, say somewhere up North, anywhere north of Watford will do. We don't want your type living in the Chalfonts thank you.

If you actually left your cosy upper middle class ghetto occasionally, you might have a better understanding of the world

[Man Of Kent]

Although Labour seem intent on slowly privatising the NHS

In what way do you mean?

Unless you are talking about the NHS purchasing services from the indepdenat sector, in which case you need to remember that it is the NHS that purchases and pays for the services. Therefore it’s still NHS provision, effectively.

Every post you make.

Or in other words, you cannot find any thing to support you allegation.

As seems to be the standard for you...

[Rich Kid]

Or in other words, you cannot find any thing to support you allegation.
No, every post you make. Geddit.

[MrG]

no we dont, if you are going to be mildly abusive rich kid, then i hope you dont bother coming back from america, or your proxy vote votes for labour, and that you simmer somewhere hotly you unmannered monkey of the state

[Rich Kid]

no we dont, if you are going to be mildly abusive rich kid, then i hope you dont bother coming back from america, or your proxy vote votes for labour, and that you simmer somewhere hotly you unmannered monkey of the state
I get abuse from almost every quarter on a continual basis but you do't hear me complain. Why? Because I'm grown up enough to realise that "if you can't stand the heat of the kitchen you shouldn't be cooking" - if you give it you've got to be big enough to also take it without bleating.

I don't use swear words and for the most part I'm polite towards people.

[klintock]

I don't use swear words and for the most part I'm polite towards people.

Whilst calling them "scum" and telling them they are "unnatural" or "sinful".

Do behave RK.

Any chance of answering about oral sex or my earlier post you ignored?