Asylum seeker avoids deportation through suicide.

[freethepeeps]

A gay asylum seeker who shot himself between the eyes with an airgun had "an obvious motive" to commit suicide, the East Sussex coroner has said.

Hussein Nasseri, 26, killed himself while in his car at a children's playground in Eastbourne last June.

He died days after hearing his second appeal against a Home Office decision to refuse him asylum had failed and that he was to be deported.

He said he would be executed if he returned to Iran because he was gay.

bbc (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4462379.stm)

Surely the man deserved asylum?

:(

[klintock]

Nope.

What we should have done is use his case as a rallying cry for freedom and democracy in the Middle East, bombed the Iranians a bit nearer the stone age and used the whole thing as a pretext to grab all their oil.

[Mad Mac]

shit happens!

[Tommo100]

bet he werent gay anyway lol

[freethepeeps]

shit happens!

Your reply is so profound that I don't understand it.

:)

[Mad Mac]

Your reply is so profound that I don't understand it.

:)
hundreds of people die for sad reasons in england,why should we care?
another failed asylum seeker!....so fucking what?..do you know the real reason why he was not granted asylum?....no?
one failed asylum seeker has just been jailed for killing a police officer!...do you care about him?

[freethepeeps]

hundreds of people die for sad reasons in england,why should we care?
another failed asylum seeker!....so fucking what?..do you know the real reason why he was not granted asylum?....no?
one failed asylum seeker has just been jailed for killing a police officer!...do you care about him?

Well, I think that we should care if we're failing to provide asylum to the those genuinely in danger.

The cop was doing his job - he was unlucky - but he placed himself in the situation. I'm sure that he would have got more back-up if he'd assessed the risk differently.

I think that Hussein should have got the support he requested.

[Rich Kid]

He was gay and an aslyum seeker?

[budda]

He was gay and an aslyum seeker?

What on Earth are you on about?

As to the question, sounds like a tragic case, though given we dont know what the asylum choice was made on its difficult.

However, we can, as humans still have sympathy for someone so unhappy that they choose to end their life.

[sticktofacts]

Gay rights cant be solved via asylum. There are many fundamentalist views in many countries worldwide not just the middle east and not just developing countries, that persecute gays as not being 'in the way god intended'. Asylum simply isnt viable to prevent this.

[Aladdin]

What asylum does is preventing those gay people from being tortured and/or killed.

It'd be a crime to say a gay person back to a country where they are likely to be persecuted for their sexuality.

[Rich Kid]

What asylum does is preventing those gay people from being tortured and/or killed.

It'd be a crime to say a gay person back to a country where they are likely to be persecuted for their sexuality.
What utter rubbish, there are probably thousands, or even millions of queers living in other countries, arab countries included, that don't don't get tortured or killed - yet again another fine piece of exaggeration designed to give emotional uplift to a spurious case.
Who knows if someone is queer? Is there a test for it? There isn't, so the queer card could be played by anyone wishing to stay here.

[Ibex]

Sexuality - disgracefully - is not counted as a valid reason for claiming asylum.

Therefore, the government is quite within its rights to send people back to countries where they're likely to be persecuted.

:mad:

[Rich Kid]

Sexuality - disgracefully - is not counted as a valid reason for claiming asylum.
Nor should it be. Next we'll be offering asylum to one-legged dwarves because they face discrimination and/or persecution back home.

Therefore, the government is quite within its rights to send people back to countries where they're likely to be persecuted.:mad:
Good.

[Ibex]

Right, so you're happy to send people back to countries where they're likely to be killed?

Some fine Christian you are.

[Aladdin]

What utter rubbish, there are probably thousands, or even millions of queers living in other countries, arab countries included, that don't don't get tortured or killed - yet again another fine piece of exaggeration designed to give emotional uplift to a spurious case.
Who knows if someone is queer? Is there a test for it? There isn't, so the queer card could be played by anyone wishing to stay here. Stop lying and making things up spoilt child.

Are you so breathtakingly ignorant of the world we live in that you pretend there is no such thing as persecution of gays?

Hell, you fucking persecute them on a daily basis here. Imagine what is like in countries where people like you are in power...

[Rich Kid]

Hell, you fucking persecute them on a daily basis here. Imagine what is like in countries where people like you are in power...
You're so prone to exaggeration lamp boy, here you go again saying things that are just not true.
I do not persecute gays on a daily basis? I have no problem with a person being queer, its just the unnatural act of buggery that I object to. So please refrain from implying things that are not true, its just a cheap shot designed to smear an opposing view, and very anti-democratic of you if I may say so.

[Aladdin]

LOL... why don't we let the rest of the board be the judge of your kindness towards "queers"?

Hey everyone! Do you think RK persecutes "queers"? Simple yes or no, so we can do a count...

[klintock]

I think he is gay myself.

[budda]

Sexuality - disgracefully - is not counted as a valid reason for claiming asylum.

Therefore, the government is quite within its rights to send people back to countries where they're likely to be persecuted.

Though havent we accepted a few Jamacians under the asylum system for being homosexual, or where they gay-rights protestors?

I'm not sure I want to get into a arguement about Rich Kids attitude to homosexuality, thats quite a different topic. Though you might want to not use the word 'queer' the way you do Rich Kid, it does sometimes sound you are using it as a term of insult.

[Ibex]

Though havent we accepted a few Jamacians under the asylum system for being homosexual, or where they gay-rights protestors?

IIRC they were not granted asylum - disgracefully, given what frequently happens to gay people in Jamaica. A prominent gay rights activist was murdered there recently: they never caught who did it, and there are strong suspicions that the police connived in the killing.

I'm not sure I want to get into a arguement about Rich Kids attitude to homosexuality, thats quite a different topic. Though you might want to not use the word 'queer' the way you do Rich Kid, it does sometimes sound you are using it as a term of insult.

I'm sure he is, but we've been over Rich Kid's pig-ignorant and ill-thought-out views on the subject many times in the last coule of weeks...

[Rich Kid]

I'm not sure I want to get into a arguement about Rich Kids attitude to homosexuality, thats quite a different topic. Though you might want to not use the word 'queer' the way you do Rich Kid, it does sometimes sound you are using it as a term of insult.
I'm not using the word "queer" as an insult in any way, but so as not to offend anyone on here I'll use the word "gay" in future, but only as long as people refrain from insulting me with their choice of words.
After all nobody, I hope, is trying to simply throw personal insults around, are they?

[Mad Mac]

one thought that springs to mind,how did the country that he was running away from know that he was gay?.....was he dressed like one of the village people?

[Aladdin]

I think he is gay myself. That would explain a lot, I must say...

[Rich Kid]

That would explain a lot, I must say...
Not to my girl-friend :)

[groovechampion]

That would explain a lot, I must say...

What on earth is that supposed to mean? Whats wrong with being gay?

Rich kid makes a valid point, you do exaggerate and call people things they aren't just to smear them and discredit their point. It's annoying and proves that you have no real point. Like when you call me a BNP troll repeatedly, despite the fact that I vote Labour and have written articles condemning the BNP.

To be honest in this case I think it was tragic that he took his own life, but people take their own lives every day due to cruel injustices, why do you feel the need to latch on to this specific case?

As Rich Kid pointed out you don't know the circumstances of his asylum case and why he was refused. It could very well be that the government was entirely correct in refusing him asylum, perhaps he wasnt gay at all and was a violent criminal. You don't know so you can't criticise the Home Office for his suicide however tragic it is (although why is this particular suicide so tragic for you lot? It happens all the time... :chin: )

[Aladdin]

Isn't that immoral, having a girlfriend?

[Ibex]

Isn't that immoral, having a girlfriend?

Sex outside marriage is a big no-no.

Isn't it rather hypocritical, Rich Kid, to accuse others of sin, and pass judgemental comment on them, when you're making the beast with two backs with someone you aren't married to?

[Aladdin]

Indeed.

And now it becomes even clearer why RK went all red-faced and refused to answer a simple question about his opinion on oral sex despite being asked about 200 times.

Clearly anal sex between men is unnatural but oral sex between a man and a woman is not, is it? At the end of the day we all know God gave women a mouth so they could suck their boyfriends off...

[Rich Kid]

Sex outside marriage is a big no-no.

Isn't it rather hypocritical, Rich Kid, to accuse others of sin, and pass judgemental comment on them, when you're making the beast with two backs with someone you aren't married to?
How do you know what I do in my personal life? You haven't a clue so please refrain from inventing things as you usually do.

Well said groovechampion, a well considered and well written piece.

[Aladdin]

Would you care to answer now what are your thoughts on oral sex?

[Rich Kid]

Would you care to answer now what are your thoughts on oral sex?
Run out of ideas?

[Ibex]

How do you know what I do in my personal life? You haven't a clue so please refrain from inventing things as you usually do.

Show me one single thing that I've 'invented' or take that remark back.

I await your apology...


Btw, before you reference the obvious, I did not invent this:

Isn't it rather hypocritical, Rich Kid, to accuse others of sin, and pass judgemental comment on them, when you're making the beast with two backs with someone you aren't married to?

You were the one who said your girlfriend could be pretty sure you weren't gay. From that it's a perfectly reasonable inference that your relationship is not wholly platonic. Sex outside marriage is proscribed, you're doing it - QED, really.

[Aladdin]

Run out of ideas? Not at all.

You, however, ran out of places to hide in a long, long time ago. :D

[groovechampion]

You were the one who said your girlfriend could be pretty sure you weren't gay. From that it's a perfectly reasonable inference that your relationship is not wholly platonic. Sex outside marriage is proscribed, you're doing it - QED, really.

It doesn't imply that he has sex with her at all. You are implying that you are homosexual if you don't have sex with your girlfriend, which is a bit offensive if you ask me.

[Ibex]

It doesn't imply that he has sex with her at all. You are implying that you are homosexual if you don't have sex with your girlfriend, which is a bit offensive if you ask me.

That is not what I was implying at all. If you had bothered to read the previous few posts, you would have noticed that it is not me who made insinuations about RK's sexuality, which is a very low debating tactic IMHO. All I did was to point out that, assuming RK's relationship is sexual (which he himself hinted it was), then he is having sex outside marriage and therefore, from a Christian point of view, not really in any position to criticise others' sexual antics.

Judge not, lest ye shall be judged...

[Flashman's Ghost]

RK has said he's a girlfriend and he seems to think about her sexually. But that doesn't mean that they have to be having sex. To accuse him off hypocrisy because he's having sex (which I have no evidence of either way and I assume you don't either) seems to be skating on thin ice


His views may be sometimes barking but he deserves the same courtesey as everyone else in not having his views misrepresented

[Ibex]

RK has said he's a girlfriend and he seems to think about her sexually. But that doesn't mean that they have to be having sex. To accuse him off hypocrisy because he's having sex (which I have no evidence of either way and I assume you don't either) seems to be skating on thin ice

I did say I'd made an assumption - albeit in my judgement a reaosnable one - and pointed out what it was. If RK wishes, he's welcome to tell me that assumption was wrong and I will gladly withdraw the comments I made on the basis of it.

His views may be sometimes barking but he deserves the same courtesey as everyone else in not having his views misrepresented

He could extend me the same courtesy and apologise for accusing me of inventing things.

[klintock]

He described his GF's breasts as heavy but beautiful so they must be doing something.

Unless he took the "you don't get many of those to the pound" a bit to literally.......

[Ibex]

Still awaiting that apology, Rich Kid...

[Rich Kid]

His views may be sometimes barking but he deserves the same courtesey as everyone else in not having his views misrepresented
Thank you NQA, except for the "barking" reference. My views are continually being misrepresented by those who are out to stifle open honest debate with smear and innuendo.

[Ibex]

Come on, what have I 'invented?'

You said I 'usually' do, so it can't be all that hard to find an example can it?

YOU are as guilty of smear and misrepresentation - not to mention slander - as anyone you accuse of them.

[Rich Kid]

Come on, what have I 'invented?'
You said I 'usually' do, so it can't be all that hard to find an example can it?
You know nothing about me or my personal life yet you are willing to post, and I quote:
"when you're making the beast with two backs with someone you aren't married to?"
implying I'm having sex in an unmarried situation. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME!

YOU are as guilty of smear and misrepresentation - not to mention slander - as anyone you accuse of them.
Elsewhere you refer to me as "pig-ignorant, hypocritical, with ill-thought out views ......"

Now perhaps you'll undersatnd why I won't apologise to you. In afct you genuinely disappoint me Ibex because I had you down as a more sensible contributor than most.

[Ibex]

You know nothing about me or my personal life yet you are willing to post, and I quote:
"when you're making the beast with two backs with someone you aren't married to?"
implying I'm having sex in an unmarried situation. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME!

You hinted at a sexual relationship. Obviously I don't know for certain whether that's true or not, and if I misread what you posted then I apologise, but I still think my assumption was reasonable given the circumstances.

Elsewhere you refer to me as "pig-ignorant, hypocritical, with ill-thought out views ......"

I didn't. You misrepresent me. I said you had ignorant, ill-thought-out views. there's a difference.

My comments were a response to what I've seen of your views on here, and no more. You're not usaully slow to denounce others' opinions, but you take umbrage when others do it to you. If you can't take it...

Now perhaps you'll undersatnd why I won't apologise to you. In afct you genuinely disappoint me Ibex because I had you down as a more sensible contributor than most.

I'm flattered...

[Rich Kid]

Ibex, as I've said I've always considered your postings to be balanced and reasoned, and if I've upset you then I apologise, it was not meant. Friends now?

[Ibex]

Yes, as long as you withdraw the accusation that I 'usually' invent things. Make assumptions I may - as we all do - but invent things I certainly do not!