Cannabis Car Driver Kills 8 People!

[Rich Kid]

Mitch Trelliving (19), killed 8 people in a horrific car crash after smoking acnnabis. He lost control of his car at nearly 100mph.
Drug users are in my view the scum of the earth especially when they do reckless things like driving a car under the influence and kill not just themselves but other innocent parties.

What do you cannabis users think? I can almost predict your responses!

[Infinite]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4440537.stm

"A statement from coroner Roger Stone read to the inquest in Worthing, West Sussex, on Wednesday said that although Mr Treliving had previously used cannabis resin, it was not possible to say whether he was under the influence prior to the crash near Brighton on 16 May".

[Rich Kid]

A pathologist said tests revealed trace amounts of alcohol in his blood but more significant levels of cannabis.

Dr Patricia Beresford said, "It is not possible to say when he last used the drug as it remains in the body, particularly of a heavy user"

[Senor Miguel]

Mitch Trelliving (19), killed 8 people in a horrific car crash after smoking acnnabis. He lost control of his car at nearly 100mph.
Drug users are in my view the scum of the earth especially when they do reckless things like driving a car under the influence and kill not just themselves but other innocent parties.

What do you cannabis users think? I can almost predict your responses!

what exactly is your point moron, it can't even be proved that he was high at the time.........cannabis stays in your system for days and weeks after the high has worn off........drug users are scum? ever had a pint moron? what about pharmaceutical drug users, or fag smokers? scum ay.........you really are a twat......i wouldn't advocate DUI but i've been in cars several times where the driver was stoned or drunk, i know when i felt more safe.......

you just said in your last post the pathologist said it's not possible to say when he last used the drug..........so again what is your point?

[budda]

Driving under the influence of any drug, be it alcohol, cannabis, prescription drugs etc is dangerous.

We ALL know that.

This isnt an issue of the cannabis, its an issue of someone who drives while intoxicated (if they were and that isnt proven).

[LadyJade]

I think most people would agree that cannabis has an effect on driving skills. But, as yet there is no accurate and inexpensive way of measuring cannabis intoxication levels, as there is for alcohol. It is debatable what levels of the active ingredients of cannabis need to be in your bloodstream to intoxicate you. It wasn't proven that he had been smoking before he drove, only that he may have been smoking. He had, however, been drinking. As has been mentioned, this is about the driver's recklessness, more than about cannabis.

[Blagsta]

Rich Kid - do you think all people who drink alcohol are also scum?

P.S.
I'm not a cannabis user, I can't stand the stuff.

[Martin_Bashir]

Because of the manner in which Cannabis is excreated by the body it stays in the system in large quantities for quite some time...the point is however it only stays around in majorly psychoactive terms (effecting the brain) for a much shorter time.

You could have traces of cannabis in your bloodstream right now, if you had been standing, maybe in a small pub or other confined space, and inhaled the smoke. You not have felt any effects but its still there. THC, the main and one of two psychoactive chemicals in Cannabis is not water soluble, therefore it is harder for the body to excrete, coupled with the fact that cannabis is also very soluble in fat. Your body excretes alot more water than it does burn fat so it would follow that it would stay around in larger quantities for longer than say, alcohol.

A half decent breif would destroy this charge, it would be circumstance that would get him (remains of spliffs in the ash tray for example, but then wwe get on to the problems with circumstantial evidence)

The zeal with which you decry cannabis use does not seem equally proportional to other substances, more widely used, which could also interfere with driving ability.

This does not equate to an excusing of D.U.I (of cannabis), it is a view of the event in context.

ps: also a non-cannabis user who thinks it does harm potential for harm, just as much as jumping to conclusions or wild statements do.

[Skive]

Drug users are in my view the scum of the earth!

You obviously don't know enough about the reality of drugs or drug users.
You want a discussion about the 'evils' of drugs then go ahead but unitl you prove that you have a genuine reasob for your opinion and show some understanding then I'd refrain from making comments like that, they just make you look like tit.

[Addict]

Drug users are in my view the scum of the earth

You are entitled to your opinion but shouldn't come in here trolling and blatantly trying to provoke a reaction.

In response to the thread's story, anyone wreckless enough to drive at such speeds, regardless of what they may or may not have taken, is going to be putting lives at risk. Cannabis doesn't make the driver do those speeds though. People that unnecessarily put other peoples' lives at risk are scum of the earth but drug users are not.

[Shogun]

Rich Kid- Do yourself a favour and leave this site, your a total ignorant little child who dosen't have a clue what he's talking about.

What about the people who drink and drive? are they total scum? the bottom line is people shouldn't drive while under the infulence of any mind altering substances.

If anything cannabis would cause a person to drive slower rather than faster.

[xmizzcattyx]

the point is not that he had been using cannabis. the point is that he was driving dangerously

[Mad Mac]

Mitch Trelliving (19), killed 8 people in a horrific car crash after smoking acnnabis. He lost control of his car at nearly 100mph.
Drug users are in my view the scum of the earth especially when they do reckless things like driving a car under the influence and kill not just themselves but other innocent parties.

What do you cannabis users think? I can almost predict your responses!
you really need to smoke a joint,cos you know fuck all about this subject!
driving whilst stoned,is more likly to make you go slower,in my opinion,and take more care.obviously i'm not condoning driving whilst stoned but they did do a test on 5th gear about this,and they concluded that driving pissed was worse.

[Yerascrote]

you really need to smoke a joint,cos you know fuck all about this subject!
driving whilst stoned,is more likly to make you go slower,in my opinion,and take more care.obviously i'm not condoning driving whilst stoned but they did do a test on 5th gear about this,and they concluded that driving pissed was worse.

thats true to a degree...i've (stupidly) been in cars with drunk people, didn't feel safe at all...people who are stoned generally know what they are doing...

couldn't be arsed replying to what rich_kid said...he won't listen and it would be a waste of typing time...just ignore him...

[rachie004]

Well in MY opinion, those who go out and get as drunk as they possibly can - then proceed to puke on the streets and intimidate people with their idiotic behaviour are the sheer scum of the earth..

those that choose to do this, then proceed to drive a car aren't worth the air that they are unfortunate to breathe

[Shogun]

There's nothing wrong with getting pissed outta your head, as long as you don't go too far everything dosen't get too out of hand.

[lea_uk]

Mitch Trelliving (19), killed 8 people in a horrific car crash after smoking acnnabis. He lost control of his car at nearly 100mph.
Drug users are in my view the scum of the earth especially when they do reckless things like driving a car under the influence and kill not just themselves but other innocent parties.

What do you cannabis users think? I can almost predict your responses!

Do you believe that alcohol should be banned?

[budda]

I have, many years back driven around my home town after a couple of smokes, its actually very frightening, your consentration is totally knackered.

You're going down the road and your mind wanders and you start thinking about totally different things, I dread to think what my reaction time was.

Its an incredibly selfish thing to do, you are putting not only your own life at risk but also others.

[Skive]

I have, many years back driven around my home town after a couple of smokes, its actually very frightening, your consentration is totally knackered.

It scares me to drive stoned aswell though I find that only increases my concentration. Your judgment has got to be effected by any drug and therefore it's not worth driving while under the influence - even many prescription drugs.

I used to drink/drug drive a lot but I've lost a few mates to drink driving and no the only substance I'll take before driving is coke.

[Yerascrote]

the only substance I'll take before driving is coke.

how so? would that not make you think you're all cocky and all behind the wheel...

[Nash]

I occasionally have a smoke and drive, it actually has a positive effect on me... I feel as though my concentration is increased 100% and generally feel more relaxed and in control. As for my reactions, they are just the same if not better than if I were sober.

Alcohol on the other hand, makes things worse for sure!

[LadyJade]

The way I see it is if I have an accident, which is possible for anyone at any time, and someone happens to be badly hurt of die, then I would want to know that there was nothing else I could have done to avoid it. I think that if I wsa under the influence of anything, I wouldn't have that confidence.

[Martin_Bashir]

thats exactley it :yes:

[Spliffie]

how so? would that not make you think you're all cocky and all behind the wheel...

Taking coke before driving is a very bad idea.

If you're coked out your face, doing stuff isn't easy - apart from talking - and bumbling about is usually common. I can sometimes barely change channel with a remote control.

[Blagsta]

Driving under the influence of any drug is fucking stupid.

[Skive]

Taking coke before driving is a very bad idea.

I've never had a problem.

I remember there was a survey done into drug driving and coke actually improved reaction time and judgement though at the same time it did boost confidence.

[Blagsta]

You're an idiot.

[Skive]

You're an idiot.

Went out for a ride yesterday and visited several pubs, had several ciders and a a couple of pills.
The only time you can get wrecked and not risk getting done by the gavers.

[Blagsta]

As I said, you're an idiot.

[Martin_Bashir]

Skive;

If you were driving mate i'm inclined to agree with Blaggy...common sense sunshine, you might think you are made of teflon, but i tells ya i sure as fuck aint...dont fancy being on the pavement when you come bombing it through Ashurst or whereever :no:

[Skive]

If you were driving mate i'm inclined to agree with Blaggy...common sense sunshine, you might think you are made of teflon, but i tells ya i sure as fuck aint...dont fancy being on the pavement when you come bombing it through Ashurst or whereever :no:

Quite often when my turn as driver comes around I will go out ravin and will stick to water all night and maybe a couple of lugs from a bullet. That is it. I'm not talking about driving after a binge.

If I go ravin until 6 in the morning I'm a far better driver if I've done a couple of lines than if I've done nothing resulting in me being too tired to drive safely anyway.

I'm always aware of my ability to drive and will quite happily stay put if my judgment might even be slightly affected. I'm well aware of the dangers of drving under the influence.

[Martin_Bashir]

and cocaine wont make you over-confident?

Tiredness is not cured by cocaine it is masked. Use public transport or have someone go with you who wont touch anything...

[z-]

it is very stupid driving under the influence of anything but there's people who i know i could trust to get in a car with if they were on something... it all depends on the person

[Skive]

Tiredness is not cured by cocaine it is masked.

Thousands of people use caffeine to help stay awake whilst driving. Infact the AA recomends it.

[Martin_Bashir]

Yes but not in that context; its a bloody misleading comparison as well, you know that.

Firstly the AA and RAC (in fact the RAC manufacture a high caffeine drink similar to Red Bull and plaster the legend 'THIS IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR REST' all over it) DO NOT recommend caffeine to combat tiredness as a primary factor they only recommend it as ONE very temporary measure to get you into a position where you can achieve the only antedote to tiredness which is rest.

Secondly comparisons with cocaine are entirely misleading because caffeine is a mild stimulant where cocaine is a much stronger one, and even caffeine (especially in some tired people) can aggravate anxiety in susceptable people making it harder to drive. Cocaine is also mind-altering drug in the sense that it is a dopamine agonist and temporary reuptake inhibitor; it can evoke false confidence. Tiredness and fatigue in advanced stages can have psychological effects such as anxiety and mild hallucenaecions (sp?) which can include thinking you can see things moving in your peripheral vision (this is a common one im sure alot of people can relate to or have experienced, but is by no means uniform). Cocaines effect on judgement could cause these to be aggravated or even for you to try so hard to ignore them that you actually ignore reality, how would you know?

[Teh_Gerbil]

I must admit, I would never drive stoned. Thankfully, when I am high, I know what I am doing. I fear that when I am drunk one day I may jump in a car though and kill someone, I don't think I could live with the guilt if I survied too.

TBH, anyone who drives under the influence of anything, I wouldn't get in a car with them if I were sober. Its irresponsible unless you are like messing around on a bit land with no-one about on it for a laugh, its only yourself you are harming then so it doesn't matter. :p

Although I think the fact he was doing 100 isn't linked to the drugs. Thats just the fact he was probably an irresponsible driver anyway.

Driving stoned would be scary, imo...

[Skive]

I'm not saying that drivign under the influence of coke is good, but I am pointing out that in the scheme of things it's not a major problem.
I'd be far more worried about someones driving after they've drunk no more than pint or two.


"Cocaine effects on driving performance have been examined in a series of studies performed at SCRI (Southern California Research Institute). Twenty-four healthy male subjects, ages 21-40 years, who were self-reported moderate users of cocainewere used. An initial experiment with cocaine (96 mg., intranasally) and alcohol 0.58 g/Kg b.w., found no impairment of driving-related laboratory tasks by cocaine [14]." "In a second experiment with 96 mg. cocaine, subjects performed better with cocaine than with placebo with greatest difference observed during a test battery beginning three hours after dosing. Since that second test time coincided with the afternoon slump, the findings raised questions about the drugs effects with circadian rhythm [15]. Time-of-day differences associated with cocaine’s effects were further studied in a nighttime experiment."

In the nighttime experiment [16], "Subjects participated in three two-day treatment sessions. Day 1 began between 18.00 h and 19.30 h. Subjects slept overnight and were awakened at 08.00 h to begin day 2." Each treatment of 96 or 126 mg. of cocaine was divided into three equal amounts given intranasally at half hour intervals. Blood specimens obtained 10 min. after each dose had the following concentrations of cocaine/benzoylecgonine; 3/57, 64/214, and 189/363 ng/mL. "D-A (divided-attention) and VIG (vigilance) data agree with previously-reported data [15] in demonstrating that the effects of cocaine on performance persist past the period of acute stimulation. When subjects were tested near midnight, scores were better with cocaine than with placebo. It was only in the placebo condition that overall D-A performance was significantly worse at the late night hour. D-A RTs were faster with 96 mg. cocaine whereas 126 mg. cocaine prevented slowing of VIG RTs (response times). These data suggest that cocaine effects may be task dependent as well as dose dependent."

"Based on the blood drug concentrations in this paper, knowledgeable experts should be able to rebut opinions of significant impairment by marijuana, cocaine, pseudoephedrine, amphetamines, lorazepam, fluoxetine, terfenadine, paroxetine, loratidine, nitrazepam, zoplicone, flunitrazepam and chronic doxepin. They appear to have little or no impairing effect on driving performance in the concentrations cited in this review. Opinions that higher concentrations results in impairment must be backed by scientifically acceptable evidence."



Taken from here (http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/MISC/driving/ddimp.htm)

[Martin_Bashir]

i was actually looking for that after your initial post mentioned it so thankyou for posting it.

What is being provided in that analysis is a battery of driving related tests which are within a known and medicinally supervised environment, the subjects know this and are not subject to some of the pressures real life cocaine users are when driving, such as worry anxiety and far more potential variables. What i do accept is that this is evidence that cocaine might not be as much an impairment as say, alcohol but i do not accept that in a driving situation it is safer than normal.

The tests the subjects were put through did not seem to include immediate and sustained activity after driving...the part im most concerned about with your Bolivian motoring aid is when you start coming down off it and you get that depressed annoyance in your brain aggravating the fuck out of you, in the dark at night.

There are several moe problems i have with the science behind it but i will get onto them in due course if you dont mind.

[Skive]

How many people do you think are quite happy to have a few drinks then drive back from a club within the legal limit? Who will admit to that?
It's well within the law but it's something I wont ever do again. Infact the only time I'll drink alcohol whilst in control of a 'vehicle' is if I go out for a ride with my missus.

I I feel even the slightest bit unhappy I wont drive. I drive up and down the country all week long and I quite often pull into services buy a paket of pro plus and a red bull, neck them and have a power kip.
I take my driving very seriously.

[budda]

None of us can say whether or not you are a good driver Skive, but I can say for certain that if the DVLA ever found out about you doing that then you'd get an automatic 6 month driving ban and you'd find it difficult to get your licence back.

[kleefarr]

I think most people would agree that cannabis has an effect on driving skills. But, as yet there is no accurate and inexpensive way of measuring cannabis intoxication levels, as there is for alcohol. It is debatable what levels of the active ingredients of cannabis need to be in your bloodstream to intoxicate you. It wasn't proven that he had been smoking before he drove, only that he may have been smoking. He had, however, been drinking. As has been mentioned, this is about the driver's recklessness, more than about cannabis.

Top Gear actually did a case study a few years ago. The man taht was tested, actually drove better after having a splif, than when he was sober. :rolleyes:

They said that after smoking the spliff it "generally" made people more careful, which is what showed up in the test.

It definately is not a good idea to drive whilst taking anything though.

[budda]

In most tests stonned drivers are safer than drunk ones, but given how bad drunk drivers are thats not saying all that much.

[Skive]

In most tests stonned drivers are safer than drunk ones, but given how bad drunk drivers are thats not saying all that much.

I don't think that was the point he was making.

[budda]

I don't think that was the point he was making.

I know, I was just throwing it in, given that it was on the topic.