Mental health and E's and Cannabis

[stevey713]

right ive read loads of stuff now what cannabis can do if someone already has problems i wont go on because there is enough topics on that! but what r the consequences if someone has problems and still proceeds to take E's??? forget the fact that person maybe ignorant or daft yes i know that but what problems can occur? can schizoprenia occur with hittin this drug and when i say hitting this drug i mean lyk having 1 or 2 pills when they go nightclubbin lyk once a fortnight. im aware maybe depression might get out of control (somebody help me out on that 1 im guessing) what other things could happen?

any answers would be greatful!

thanks u lot!! :thumb:

[Shogun]

I don't think it would be a good idea, especially on the comedown if you've got mental health problems.

Search google or erowid.

[TheSovereign]

takin a few Es or tking a hundred Es wont give you mental health problems... it mite fuck your brain up physically but it wont affect you personality like scitzophrenia does..

i was sectioned under mental health act s.3 recently i felt this was because i was being punished for smoking weed.. but really it was cos i was being a wanker and being defiant ' i would smoke weed again yes i would'... but i took a few pills the other week and hadnt felt that good in years since i last dropped. go for it,.

alex
whats the worst that can hppen when you get pilled up tho really? u mite dehydrate which is serious or worse drink too much water, but osmo regulation never gave me any troubles.. you're so sensually aware that if you want to drink water you will simple as!

[Martin_Bashir]

if you or anyone in your family has a history of schiezophrenic or depressive illness you really are playing with fire if you indulge in any psychoactive substances, particularly cannabis and anything in the amphetamine family (Ecstasy, Speed/base, Methamphetamine).

Anything psychoactive is a potential risk to mental health in those who are predisposed to illness, if you have relatives that exhibit or you yourself exhibit such symptoms think very carefully before you take any of these.

[stevey713]

well tbh there is only one person in my family who had schizophrenia but thats it. it was my uncle rest his soul and i think his divorce killed him more than anything else! im not sure if he was on cannabis before or started after but he ended up a wreck! and eventually he commited suicide in 1990! but thats about it! and i had depression before drugs and during and still some now! i would by lying if i sed i was 100% happy with life but ive been going thru therapy now since last july and even he has noticed a difference in me! alot happier! tbh i am worried about the cannabis and me but im not with E's thats why i asked! cheers for the help tho ppl. im still :confused: tho

[Martin_Bashir]

i dont quite understand, are you taking both cannabis and ecstasy?

If you are then to be honest it would be very unwise not to be worried about your E use, with your mental health history and that of your relative you really are walking a dodgy path if you are using them, you may not be worried but frankley you should be.

Cannabis can and does exaccerbate mental health symptoms in particular types of depressive illness and schiezophrenia, i really dont recommend it with your history.

If i were you i would steer well clear to be frank.

[stevey713]

no not cannabis. just E's really. once a fortnight or every 3 weeks or a month and longer. drink 2-3 times a week. and no cannabis! hope that clears things up. im just hoping by stayin off cannabis no schizophrenia will ahppen with the E's! its a dodgy subject in it no one knows a 100% i guess! just wanted ruff ideas of outcomes. but thanx anyways.

[Martin_Bashir]

Ecstasy is fantastic and i know no one ever want to let it go, but you are really flying in the face of common sense here.

there is a far greater risk posed to someone with your history from regular E use than from cannabis on present evidence...

im just hoping by stayin off cannabis no schizophrenia will ahppen with the E's!

and i sincerely hope you are right and nothing bad does happen to you...but if you carry one like this and disregard the advice given to you the outlook is not rosy....please at least see your GP (who will treat everything in the strictest confidence) and get his opinion...

[morrocan roll]

takin a few Es or tking a hundred Es wont give you mental health problems... it mite fuck your brain up physically but it wont affect you personality like scitzophrenia does..

i was sectioned under mental health act s.3 recently i felt this was because i was being punished for smoking weed.. but really it was cos i was being a wanker and being defiant ' i would smoke weed again yes i would'... but i took a few pills the other week and hadnt felt that good in years since i last dropped. go for it,.

alex
whats the worst that can hppen when you get pilled up tho really? u mite dehydrate which is serious or worse drink too much water, but osmo regulation never gave me any troubles.. you're so sensually aware that if you want to drink water you will simple as!
bad post ...ignore.

[LadyJade]

stevey, health professionals will tell you that if you are prone to depression or mental illness, illegal drug taking will have an adverse effect on your mental health.

The issue with ecstacy is that in simple terms it encourages your brain to release serotonin, a chemical that helps to make you feel good. This chemical is always present in your brain, but after you have taken e it becomes depleted. This is part of the reason you feel so bad as you are coming down off ecstacy. Serotonin then takes some time to build up to your 'normal' levels again, leaving you vulnerable to negative feelings if you are prone to depression.

This is a very simplistic explaination, there is more information in the MDMA Vaults (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml) from the Erowid website. I would recommend you read the book E is for Ecstacy (http://www.ecstasy.org/books/e4x/) by Nicholas Saunders, particularly chapters 4 (What it does and how it works) and 6 (Dangers) to find out more. The whole book is available online at the link I just posted.

You are in a higher risk group for drug taking if you have a history of mental illness in your family of have depression - take care!

[Martin_Bashir]

takin a few Es or tking a hundred Es wont give you mental health problems... it mite fuck your brain up physically but it wont affect you personality like scitzophrenia does..

i was sectioned under mental health act s.3 recently i felt this was because i was being punished for smoking weed.. but really it was cos i was being a wanker and being defiant ' i would smoke weed again yes i would'... but i took a few pills the other week and hadnt felt that good in years since i last dropped. go for it,.

alex
whats the worst that can hppen when you get pilled up tho really? u mite dehydrate which is serious or worse drink too much water, but osmo regulation never gave me any troubles.. you're so sensually aware that if you want to drink water you will simple as!

about as wrong and innaccurate as wrong and inaccurate can be, not to mention reckless irresponsible and harmful

[Pan_chan_boo]

personaly id say the drugs have nothing to do with affecting mental health badly, to me it all depends on the person. Drugs like cannabis have been proven to help mental illnessess, its just that doctors and the media blame the wrong things. I mean lets face it, "oh he's just slaughtered his girlfriend, he was stoned at the time, well that must be the reason mustn't it?" seems to occur all to often (not that exact statment obv)

No one focuses on the benefits of cannabis or other drugs any more, yes they can be bad, hallucinagenics (sp?) are a very bad idea with the wrong frame of mind and environment.

Id say if your responsible, and know what your doing, its fine, of course if your in a state of depression, then dont use hard drugs, thats like handing a knife to someone who is currently suicidal, or holding a full cup of coffee while you've got the jitters. Where as if your ok, it should be no worry.

[sexdrugssexdrugssex]

I don't think they'll drive you crazy or anything, but they can lead to bad depression, and overuse can kill people's personalities. Not change them - just kill them.

[morrocan roll]

personaly id say the drugs have nothing to do with affecting mental health badly, to me it all depends on the person. .

:chin: do you know where 'the person' ...resides within the body?
the persons ...'mentality' ...doesn't reside in the gastric juices.

[Martin_Bashir]

and you maintain this view in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary?

[quote]Drugs like cannabis have been proven to help mental illnessess

Wheres your evidence? This is rubbish, the relative consensus at the moment is that it exaccerbates a whole host of mental health problems.

Id say if your responsible, and know what your doing, its fine, of course if your in a state of depression, then dont use hard drugs, thats like handing a knife to someone who is currently suicidal, or holding a full cup of coffee while you've got the jitters. Where as if your ok, it should be no worry.

this is a gross, dangerous and deeply flawed assessment of a very complex set of issues involving very different substances.

Pan_Chan_Boo i dont say this likely but the majority of that post is baseless bollocks that flys in the face of most popular thinking and simplistic in the extreme. You are making claims you cannot possibly substantiate

[morrocan roll]

martin b ...there is actualy evidence of ecstasy being a very powerful and useful medication in emotional and mental ilness ...under very controlled conditions of course.
cannabis also can be very therapuetic in alcoholism and addiction problems as well as a whole hostr of other complaints and ailments ...where the previous advice is wrong though ...is the attitude of pay your money and take yer chance ...and it might all work out ok ...then again it might not.

[Martin_Bashir]

martin b ...there is actualy evidence of ecstasy being a very powerful and useful medication in emotional and mental ilness ...under very controlled conditions of course

oh no i know that, believe me i've spent the past week reading about it after seeing a documentary with Shulgin, and i didnt actually dispute that in my post i was only specifically taking issue with the cannabis issue.

Ecstasy does have potential applications in the Psychotherepeutic treatment of post traumatic stress in particular as a strong empathic that is very good at the physical act of supressing anxious reaction to trauma

cannabis in the treatment of alcohol and heroin addiction is much more hotly contested in particular with regard to the implications for the already fragile mental state of some users. The case for its formal medical application in this area is not as convincing (yet) as for, say, pain relief in some areas.

[Pan_chan_boo]

and you maintain this view in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary?

Pan_Chan_Boo i dont say this likely but the majority of that post is baseless bollocks that flys in the face of most popular thinking and simplistic in the extreme. You are making claims you cannot possibly substantiate

I think you will find iv made no claims, iv based it mostly upon my opinion from the sources of which I have read into, obviously there is alot of bias from BOTH sides of the arguement, and so I dare not pull facts and figures knowing that there are facts and figures that can both disregard and conflict.

Cannabis is not an issue that you should take any side with, for there are complications with both.


Wheres your evidence? This is rubbish, the relative consensus at the moment is that it exaccerbates a whole host of mental health problems.

I have plenty of evidence, unfortunetly it lies mostly in books which can be found in my study, so quoting isnt easy, but i have found this.

It is not, of course, just positive people who can gain health-wise from using cannabis. There is a vast wealth of scientific evidence – from over 10,000 studies - demonstrating that it can also help people suffering from asthma, back pain, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, tumours, arthritis, herpes, migraine, depression, insomnia, schizophrenia, cystic fibrosis, epilepsy, rheumatism, muscle spasms, anorexia and nausea.

Little wonder, then, that prior to prohibition cannabis was one of the most widely used medical treatments. During the second half of the nineteenth century, cannabis was an ingredient in half the medicine sold in the USA. Even Queen Victoria used it for the relief of period pains. A report in 1839 by Dr W B O’Shaugnessy of the Royal Academy of Science hailed it as a miracle drug.




I think you will find in most experiments involving cannabis and animals to determin the effects, the dosages given were near fatal, and of those that survived, after an average of 20 days the animals used had reverted back to perfect health.

If you havent noticed, anything can make a person mentaly unstable, a break up can cause mental problems, I should know, Iv been the cause of one. You cannot say "cannabis badly affects mental health" asif it is one of the "few" causes.

[budda]

stevey, health professionals will tell you that if you are prone to depression or mental illness, illegal drug taking will have an adverse effect on your mental health.

The issue with ecstacy is that in simple terms it encourages your brain to release serotonin, a chemical that helps to make you feel good. This chemical is always present in your brain, but after you have taken e it becomes depleted. This is part of the reason you feel so bad as you are coming down off ecstacy. Serotonin then takes some time to build up to your 'normal' levels again, leaving you vulnerable to negative feelings if you are prone to depression.

This is a very simplistic explaination, there is more information in the MDMA Vaults (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml) from the Erowid website. I would recommend you read the book E is for Ecstacy (http://www.ecstasy.org/books/e4x/) by Nicholas Saunders, particularly chapters 4 (What it does and how it works) and 6 (Dangers) to find out more. The whole book is available online at the link I just posted.

You are in a higher risk group for drug taking if you have a history of mental illness in your family of have depression - take care!

Erm, its not really as simple as that, the 'comedown' isnt really understood and there isnt all that much clear research to suggest that seritonin does come back and if it doesnt whether that leads to depression.

Oh, and though that book by Saunders is good for some things I would look at it as just another source. I would not take it as 100% fact, his chemistry knowledge isnt perfect, I found at least a couple or errors in it.

You are right though, using such strong drugs as MDMA when you have pre-existing mental health issues is unwise.

[Martin_Bashir]

and so I dare not pull facts and figures knowing that there are facts and figures that can both disregard and conflict

thats not a reason at all, you cant deny providing evidence because its not an wholly indisputable, we weigh up the available data and make comment on balance of evidence and logical conclusion.

Drugs like cannabis have been proven to help mental illnessess

i am not disputing the medical evidence that i cannabis (and similar synthetic compounds) do have potential medical applications, but your evidence quote from the last post is quite different from the above one. It has been SUGGESTED in studies (god we are really dangerously simplifying things here) not conclusively proved, and as you say there is contradictory evidence in, for example, treatment of depressive illness.

To be honest the debate we are having here is to broad anyway, the only we we are really going to get anywhere is to (as rolly did) present each application of each substance as an individual debate.

[LadyJade]

Erm, its not really as simple as that,

Really? Is that why I wrote 'this is a very simplistic explaination' perhaps? And provided references for further reading? If you could explain it better I would appreciate you doing so, I am sure we would all find it useful to refer to.

[budda]

And even if a drug can have a possitive impact for some people with mental health concerns doesnt mean its great for everyone.

Prozac can really help some people, others hate it.

[Pan_chan_boo]

Martin_Bashir all Im saying is that there is proof that there are benefits to mental health from cannabis, unfortunetly though moderation is a problem, like with many drugs. I wouldnt give drugs to an abuser, thats just stupid, but i would suggest them to someone like myself.

Like anti-biotics the more you have, the more immune to their effects you can become, and like pain killers, it doesnt work on some people. I just personaly prefer the herbal method to the over the counter chemicals that are handed out every day. Just like I prefer organic to GM.

Many people have seen their fair share of cannabis being a problem, Id prefer to remove alcohol first as that is where I see most of the destruction, (And football) but as always there is at least one person who relys on these substances, and will provide a reason too keep them circulating.

As far as im concerned, facts and figures are never right. There will always be bias opinions influencing test conditions or published results, it can swing either way.

[Martin_Bashir]

As far as im concerned, facts and figures are never right. There will always be bias opinions influencing test conditions or published results, it can swing either way.

which is exactley why i took issue with your first post, but even then we can only make decisions based upon the information we have at present. what you are doing there is acknowledging contestation and variation in research, and then basically calling everything rubbish because none of it is 100% conclusive. this isnt very helpful given that at any one time the very nature of variation implies more validity in some areas than others.

I am not disputing the assertion that in your case that cannabis may have had benefits for you in the time you have been using it, but equally it is very hard to prove that your improvement is soley the result of cannabis use. People's depressive states do fluctuate and its not always the introduction of a chemical is the primary factor.

Many people have seen their fair share of cannabis being a problem, Id prefer to remove alcohol first as that is where I see most of the destruction, (And football) but as always there is at least one person who relys on these substances, and will provide a reason too keep them circulating.

Not being funny but, while we all know its true, constantly going on about how its a scandal that alcohol is legal and marijuana isnt doesnt really get us anywhere or add anything to the debate on applications of marijuana in this case.

[Pan_chan_boo]

what you are doing there is acknowledging contestation and variation in research, and then basically calling everything rubbish because none of it is 100% conclusive. this isnt very helpful given that at any one time the very nature of variation implies more validity in some areas than others.


Im not dismissing the facts and figures completely, I just do not rely on them for back up. I understand findings can be very truthfull, and I do take that into account, I just will not put all my money on them incase it falls through on me. I am the person who will always be saying "what if?"

I am not disputing the assertion that in your case that cannabis may have had benefits for you in the time you have been using it, but equally it is very hard to prove that your improvement is soley the result of cannabis use. People's depressive states do fluctuate and its not always the introduction of a chemical is the primary factor.

This is also my point, you cannot blame mental illness and its elevation soley on drug use when there are many other influences in a persons life, yes drugs may not help, but sometimes they do.

Oh and as for alcohol, im afraid I guess I have to rant, cannabis is given such a bad name, yet all the 10 year old kids in my town are drunk and stealing cars.

[budda]

Really? Is that why I wrote 'this is a very simplistic explaination' perhaps? And provided references for further reading? If you could explain it better I would appreciate you doing so, I am sure we would all find it useful to refer to.

Thats fair, I was being overtly picky, you were presenting the rough basis for the action of MDMA and I was attempting to play the smart arse.

I'm big enough to say I was, perhaps, this time, slightly wrong.

[Martin_Bashir]

BONGBUDDA:
"I was, perhaps, this time, slightly wrong"

im putting this in BIG LETTERS.....coz im a cunt :D

[LadyJade]

Martin that was just plain rude.

Thanks Bong, & I apologise for being so snarky, I wasn't in the best of moods this morning, as you could probably tell.

[Spliffie]

Many people have seen their fair share of cannabis being a problem, Id prefer to remove alcohol first as that is where I see most of the destruction, (And football) but as always there is at least one person who relys on these substances, and will provide a reason too keep them circulating.

As far as im concerned, facts and figures are never right. There will always be bias opinions influencing test conditions or published results, it can swing either way.

Alcohol isn't psychedelic - it doesn't fuck you up mentally. Comparisons between weed and booze can't really be made on that level...

Alcohol and weed are polar opposites...and that goes for the associated problems which come with both.

And what's football got do with this? :confused:

[Martin_Bashir]

Martin that was just plain rude.

oh come on, someone of his age and supposed extreme maturity can take it...

He's knows im only yanking his plank :D

[LadyJade]

He's knows im only yanking his plank :D
:eek2: I didn't realise you two knew each other that well..

[Martin_Bashir]

you obviously dont moderate the PM system :D

[Spliffie]

Many people have seen their fair share of cannabis being a problem, Id prefer to remove alcohol first as that is where I see most of the destruction, (And football) but as always there is at least one person who relys on these substances, and will provide a reason too keep them circulating.

As far as im concerned, facts and figures are never right. There will always be bias opinions influencing test conditions or published results, it can swing either way.

Booze and weed are polar opposites, as are the associated problems with both to some extent. You can't really make a comparison.

And what's football got to do with this lol :confused:

[Pan_chan_boo]

Alcohol isn't psychedelic - it doesn't fuck you up mentally. Comparisons between weed and booze can't really be made on that level...

Alcohol and weed are polar opposites...and that goes for the associated problems which come with both.

And what's football got do with this? :confused:


Id say alcohol can fuck you up mentaly. People can kill themselves in one night with alcohol, so Id say it can do some damage to the mind, even if it is only a little.

Football = bunch of grown men chasing a bag of air round a field.
From this somehow we gain football hooligans who go round causing havock and injuring people. That and its stealing money from hard working families with stupidly over priced merchandise and creates morons who become obsessed with people like david beckham.

I say football is the worst out the lot. :lol:

[budda]

He's knows im only yanking his plank :D

I told you not to mention that here.

[budda]

Alcohol isn't psychedelic - it doesn't fuck you up mentally. Comparisons between weed and booze can't really be made on that level...

Alcohol and weed are polar opposites...and that goes for the associated problems which come with both.:

I'd say an addiction to alcohol would probably have a negative impact upon your mental health.

[Martin_Bashir]

Alcohol in large quantities over a long period is physically addictive and sudden withdrawl is very likely to kill you.

[budda]

Alcohol in large quantities over a long period is physically addictive and sudden withdrawl is very likely to kill you.

I wouldnt say 'very' likely, its a possibility like with benzo's or barbs, but it doesnt happen in most cases.

[Martin_Bashir]

but then there are very few people who completely withdraw from booze, after years of dependance, on that model of complete abstension.

This information i was given again by the Dr i was speaking to at the Uni, people who have been alcoholics for donkeys DO die from this and the complications it provokes, more regularly than people think. It is the number of people that reach this state that restricts this number.

[budda]

Well yes, once you've been an alcoholic for years and years its highly likely you arent going to stop, which is a shame of course.

Having said that I know a bloke who was one for at least a half dozen years and he's clean now, except St Patricks Day.

[Yerascrote]

It's not nice, trust me. Thankfully I have a strong mind, although it was better suited to thinking on a finer resolution now it seems very round about, slap dash etc.

here man i know exactly what that feels like...5 years of drug taking has gottern my mind in some places...i know and i'm sure you know things that other people will never know...perception of reality and the universe and all...it freaks me out a lot of the time but my mind is strong enough to beat it all and i know i'm alright if i really will myself to be "normal!"

[stevenmilne]

your right turlough the mind is such a powerful thing more powerful than we'll ever know. drugs make u think to much about fucked up things and sometimes it freaks the fuck out of you :banghead:

[Spliffie]

I'd say an addiction to alcohol would probably have a negative impact upon your mental health.

I wasn't talking about addiction to either, though. The pyschedelic effect of cannabis is mind-altering in a way that alcohol isn't. For example my vision is permanently tripped out.

[Spliffie]

Id say alcohol can fuck you up mentaly. People can kill themselves in one night with alcohol, so Id say it can do some damage to the mind, even if it is only a little.

Football = bunch of grown men chasing a bag of air round a field.
From this somehow we gain football hooligans who go round causing havock and injuring people. That and its stealing money from hard working families with stupidly over priced merchandise and creates morons who become obsessed with people like david beckham.

I say football is the worst out the lot. :lol:

Alcohol has dangers, yes...cannabis largely carries different risks, however - mostly pyschological. Alcohol won't alter your mind or change how you perceive the world, whereas as cannabis can and sometimes does.

[Spliffie]

here man i know exactly what that feels like...5 years of drug taking has gottern my mind in some places...i know and i'm sure you know things that other people will never know...perception of reality and the universe and all...it freaks me out a lot of the time but my mind is strong enough to beat it all and i know i'm alright if i really will myself to be "normal!"

I know someone who stopped smoking weed for a while, except the occasional bit of soapbar...he says his thinking hasn't gone back to normal, although his vision has.

So he's still bumbling about trying to fathom out the riddles of existence even after he's quit.

[Yerascrote]

I know someone who stopped smoking weed for a while, except the occasional bit of soapbar...he says his thinking hasn't gone back to normal, although his vision has.

So he's still bumbling about trying to fathom out the riddles of existence even after he's quit.

my mind (except for the odd relapse of "what the fuck is going on here") is alright at the moment, it's my vision thats fucked up, i'm not sure what caused it but i'm sure it's a combo of all drugs mixed together,i get random visuals just popping up and it freaks me out something serious...

[Shogun]

those pink ones

[stevenmilne]

i get that as well turlough. u think u see people and things that arent there and you hear things that freak u out big time to a point that its not funny anymore just head wreaking. u ever wonder if u'll be like that for the rest of your life if so then fuck that shit :banghead:

[Shogun]

I know what you mean though, sometimes little white dots appearing in your vision. I find whenever i get stoned on the comedown and i mean properly stoned you feel like your stuck in your mind almost like a television and all the thoughts are racing through your head, sometimes you don't know what's going on.
I don't know if you'll be like it all your life..there isn't enough evidence showing the results of long term ecstacy use, who knows what you could be like when your older. could be normal.could be pure fried.

[Skive]

WTF? Your all a bunch of larry lightweights. A few drugs and you've all gone fucking nuts.

I was doing buckets when most of you were just a twitch in you fathers nut sack! :D

[Addict]

WTF? Your all a bunch of larry lightweights. A few drugs and you've all gone fucking nuts.

I was doing buckets when most of you were just a twitch in you fathers nut sack! :D

...and have you turned out ok?

[z-]

i tend to get a lot of visual distortions after lots of speed (espically with no sleep and espically after smoking a lot of cannibas when coming down) and sometimes after e's

the most annoying thing is when you see a little dot, its like a pixel in your vision, and you look at it and it disappears ... or just seeing shit out of the corner of your eye that isn't there ..

but i dont find it to be much of a problem


something that i've noticed from ecstasy use in fairly large doses over a while is that during the week you get like ... head 'zaps', its a really weird feeling in your head and you can hear it in your ears ... i done a bit of looking about online and it was said that serotonin receptors shrink due to ecstasy abuse (firing so fast) and they regenerate during the week, giving these weird feelings

has anyone else felt these or have any idea what they are ?

[budda]

Except they dont 'regenerate' during the week at all, and it looks relatively likely they dont regenerate at all, ever.

What that means for the persons long term health isnt really understood, but to suggest the brain can repair itself that quickly is just totally wrong.

Seritonin levels do seem to dip mid week and then go up a little after a week or two, but thats quite different from the actual receptors changing.

[Skive]

...and have you turned out ok?

Just fine thanks. ;)

[z-]

Except they dont 'regenerate' during the week at all, and it looks relatively likely they dont regenerate at all, ever.

What that means for the persons long term health isnt really understood, but to suggest the brain can repair itself that quickly is just totally wrong.

Seritonin levels do seem to dip mid week and then go up a little after a week or two, but thats quite different from the actual receptors changing.


someone on the shroomery.org irc room was saying about it, i have no idea

has anyone else expierenced the feelings im talking about ?

[Yerascrote]

the most annoying thing is when you see a little dot, its like a pixel in your vision, and you look at it and it disappears ... or just seeing shit out of the corner of your eye that isn't there ..


:yes: thats exactly what i get...wee red spots and it does just dissapear...only it freak me out...

[Shogun]

I get that sometimes but it dosen't freak me out.

[budda]

someone on the shroomery.org irc room was saying about it, i have no idea

Well take it from me that they have no understanding of the way the brain functions.

Have a look at the thread a while back called 'interesting research' that has some good PDF files on this topic.

[z-]

Well take it from me that they have no understanding of the way the brain functions.

Have a look at the thread a while back called 'interesting research' that has some good PDF files on this topic.

lol someone there is some neurology guy (but it mightn't have been him who said it, and probably wasn't if he was wrong lol)

ill look for the thread

[budda]

Well, I'm not claiming to have extensive knowledge of nuerology, however I can tell you as fact that the seritonin receptors do not 'regenerate' within a week.

[LadyJade]

Well, I'm not claiming to have extensive knowledge of nuerology, however I can tell you as fact that the seritonin receptors do not 'regenerate' within a week.

:yes: I have to agree, I have seen no research that would indicate that was the case, quite the opposite in fact.

[budda]

No ones really sure if they do regenerate over a much longer period, thats very very difficult to measure in living people, a mass of ex MDMA users brains would really help research, though they are somewhat hard to come by.

And whether or not they regenerate is really only half the issue, the effect of the nerve damage is not known, it would seem that in the long term most MDMA users dont score greatly differently on depression indicators compared to other drug users.

[z-]

lol, i wasn't trying to say that was right, i asked if anyone else had had the feelings... im no neurologist :)

and i found the thread, interesting, but ill have to sit down and read it in more detail sometime ... but definatly something i should be wary of :crazyeyes

[z-]

drug abuse but cannibas espically made me a complete paranoid bastard (really bad) about my ex girlfriend (long term relationship) and ruined everything ... then i fucked off out and hit all the other drugs in stupid amounts to make everything better ... now 7 months later im still doing the same stupid things and fucking myself up even more

call me an idiot, but noones perfect :(

[budda]

I think part of the problem with cannabis is that is seems so slight, so normal, people dont really think much of being stonned most of the time, being intoxicated on anything most of the time isnt going to do you any favours.

[Martin_Bashir]

hell caffeine's got its health consequences for all you coffee drinkers out there.

[z-]

yea everyone smokes cannibas these days (among everything else) ... im sure the next generation is gonna be slightly fucked

and id say cannibas definatly is a gateway drug .. it gets shite after a while and you get bored ...

i guess it all depends on WHY you smoke cannibas ... theres a million reasons but i smoke it cuz its fun and i like the buzz, theres nothin better than skinnin up with your mates

and i guess for people who smoke it for the buzz there's going to be a fair amount of people that want a new buzz after a while

and i can tell you now for a fact the only reason i ended up getting into e's and everything else was because of cannibas and who i associated with because of it ... im not saying its anyone else's fault, but when stuff is easily available and infront of you, you're probably going to end up taking it, espically if you're a teenager

i know this doesnt apply to everyone but its the case a lot of the time

:no:

[Martin_Bashir]

cannabis is not a gateway drug; the social groups you mix with and are involved in are the gateway.

[z-]

ok but cannibas is the gateway to the social groups you mix and involve with, which is then the gateway to other drugs


still a gateway... what im saying is that if i hadn't started smoking cannibas i wouldn't have ended up taking everything else ...

[budda]

still a gateway... what im saying is that if i hadn't started smoking cannibas i wouldn't have ended up taking everything else ...

Well yes, but then thats to do with you and your social group, it is not a feature inherant in cannabis.