overdose on coke

[wantcoke]

hi im 14 if i had 1 line of coke would it kill me cuz im going to try it soon
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
plz reply i need to know

[Martin_Bashir]

the likelyhood is probably not, although the possibility does exist...

cocaine is a coagulant and a stimulant therefore it both thickens the blood and speeds up heartrate, which can place undue strain on the system. If you have heart problems or severe asthma then stimulants in general are not a good idea...

Most cocaine is cut with bulking agents and so the strength of it will vary...one line is unlikely to kill a first time user but overdose is possible...

At 14 i would be very careful...its not the instant death thats the issue...cocaine is a very destructive drug and can be very habit forming, as it has the ability to 'highjack' the pleasure and reward centers of the brain (in very simple terms).

Regular use, even weekly cocaine use, can become a health problem for some people. If you are going to do it, stick to one line and see what the effect is before you do more, if at all.

The high from coke fades relatively quickly compared to other substances, so that is why people tend to top up with more. Just because you arent high doesnt mean the substance has completely left your body, so be careful how much you do in one session. There is also the moral issue with coke; when you buy it, more than most other recreational drugs you are funding horrible criminal activity and truely horrendous civil wars globally. Be under no illusions that the extreme likelyhood is that more than a few people have died, probably in quite nasty ways, to bring you that Ching.

Be under no illusions that you are messing with a seriously dangerous and addictive substance here, and at a very young age. If you are caught with it the Police will take a very serious view of one so young using this substance...

[LadyJade]

I don't have much to add to what Martin has said, except that you could have a look at theSite's factsheet on Cocaine (http://www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsatoz/cocaine), and if you are thinking about taking coke, find out as much as you possibly can about it so you can make an informed decision. And I would ask you why you are thiking about taking an illegal, potentially dangerous and addictive drug at your age - what's the rush?

[morrocan roll]

if i could personaly intervene ...i'd cut the nuts of people who allow class A drugs to get into the hands of children ...seriously.
where are you hoping to get it from?

[Shogun]

No probably not

[budda]

if i could personaly intervene ...i'd cut the nuts of people who allow class A drugs to get into the hands of children ...seriously.
where are you hoping to get it from?

I'm not one for that kind of punishment Rolly but I am certainly worried about the lowering age at which people try strong drugs.

When I was a teenager it was relatively normal to smoke cannabis but very rare for kids to do much else, now 13 or 14 year olds are regularly taking pills and other stuff.

[judi]

your 14 are you stupid?!

[Shogun]

I've found that too bong, round here people are taking drugs at a yonger age and not just the odd toke of a spliff, coke speed and pills too.

That can't be good for a 14 year old.

[budda]

You may think you can make adult choices, but in real terms you cant, someones personality changes so much when they are in their teens, you, for want of not sounding cheesy, find out who you are.

That and of course you are going through big physical changes, I really wouldnt want to fuck that up, you might end up in some sort of arrested development.

Puberty is a grim process, of course it is, you want to fit in and have friends but its just a stage, one that virtually no-one enjoys, I'd warn against even doing cannabis that much and drinking isnt going to do you any favours either.

[Shogun]

If there was one drug I'd advise people not to take all the time it'd be cannabis, it's a headfuck and too much too regularly really does produce problems, you become too lazy and just find yourself getting stoned all the time.

And people say cannabis isn't addictive. :rolleyes:

[budda]

I definately know I had a problem with it for a while, doing bongs ALL the time, I was wasted virtually every waking hour, it really isnt good for you.

[LadyJade]

your 14 are you stupid?!

I'm not sure that was entirely necessary, and it certainly wasn't informative or constructive...

[Martin_Bashir]

I definately know I had a problem with it for a while, doing bongs ALL the time, I was wasted virtually every waking hour, it really isnt good for you.

i think drug education in this country has confused the addiction debate somewhat...

[Skive]

*Stupid fucking board*

[Skive]

I started using class A's when I was 14/15 and don't regret it one bit. Ifhad a wicked time.
Though I accept it probably didn't do my body any good.

Edited to add that I probably didn't start using coke until I was 18/19.

[Martin_Bashir]

I started using class A's around the time I was 14/15 and I don't regret it one bit.
I had a wicked time though I do accept it probably didn't do my body any good.

yeah but half of your happy memories seem to be linked to the fact that YOUR drug use was centered around going to some of the Old DreamScape events and so on...

I don't think thats the case here, its not really part of a scene its just experimentation at a very young age with a very harmful substance...

[Skive]

yeah but half of your happy memories seem to be linked to the fact that YOUR drug use was centered around going to some of the Old DreamScape events and so on...

I don't think thats the case here, its not really part of a scene its just experimentation at a very young age with a very harmful substance...

True.

[budda]

As I've said before Skive, it may well have been fine for you, and the occasional pill MAY be alright for most teenagers.

But with a lot of kids we're not talking the occasional pill, and its a big MAYBE when it comes to harm.

You could have been a genius, you just dont know how much less of a life you are living now that you could have had.

[stargalaxy]

I'm not one for that kind of punishment Rolly but I am certainly worried about the lowering age at which people try strong drugs. When I was a teenager it was relatively normal to smoke cannabis but very rare for kids to do much else, now 13 or 14 year olds are regularly taking pills and other stuff. Added to the fact that drugs such as cannabis are now up to 30 times stronger than they were as many years ago, it's all rather worrying. I remember over-hearing some kids when I was at school talking about how they were gonna take E's later that evening. I was surprised to hear it, but not shocked.

[Martin_Bashir]

Added to the fact that drugs such as cannabis are now up to 30 times stronger than they were as many years ago

this is a really wild generalisation and i'd love to know how this 'figure' was constructed...

pill use is becoming so normalised in some areas that its scarey, though

[eeemapatience]

hey no dont b silly, ave been takin charlie since i was 15 and love it i dont take it all the time its far to expensive, but it can b addictive just make sure u r in control, u will have a great time!! xx

[stargalaxy]

(1) this is a really wild generalisation and i'd love to know how this 'figure' was constructed...
(2) pill use is becoming so normalised in some areas that its scarey, though I'm not quite sure where I got this figure from, though I would say it could be stronger these days, possibly because the way cannabis is grown has changed. I understand that some is grown in large warehouses these days?
(2) Agreed completely.

[CptCoatHanger]

My adivise is to stay away from coke.

It's a filthy, over rated, over priced and fashionable drug. The travesty of it being that it's highly addicitve as well.

If you want to experiment with a drug then your best bet is probably weed. You can gauge it a lot better than any of the stronger substances.

[Skive]

You could have been a genius, you just dont know how much less of a life you are living now that you could have had.

But equally I could have missed out on some of the best nights of my life. It works both ways.
Who's to say I'm now living less of life now anyway?

[lowther]

I wudnt touch coke ever. Why not stick to weed or shrooms ? :o 14 is way too young

[Skive]

It's a filthy, over rated, over priced and fashionable drug. The travesty of it being that it's highly addicitve as well.

I have never really been a fan of coke either, I like crack but then that's even more addictive.

[morrocan roll]

Added to the fact that drugs such as cannabis are now up to 30 times stronger than they were as many years ago, .sorry mate but not true.
more scare mongering i'm afraid.
intensive growing under lights can mean stronger weed ...but certainly not 30 times stronger but ...i have grown cannabis outdoors and in a greenhouse that beats everything on the streets for strength ...many times now.

[Shogun]

Acid years ago was far stronger than it was now, i heard it was because people didn't know the exact dose of acid at that time and just threw aload of LSD in for one dose for a person.

[morrocan roll]

Acid years ago was far stronger than it was now, i heard it was because people didn't know the exact dose of acid at that time and just threw aload of LSD in for one dose for a person.
the reason acisd was stronger was because it was all coming from a legitamate company called the sandoz chemical co ...the dose has been known about since hoffman first synthesized it in the 1940's.
sandoz were manufacturing it for psycho wards etc but overan production constantly ...by millions of tabs so that the ilegal market could be supplied as well ...all with the blessingof the cia and british inteligence ...the people responsible for introducing lsd and cannabis into university campuses.

[morrocan roll]

Added to the fact that drugs such as cannabis are now up to 30 times stronger .
and to this day ...i have never come across bud that is anywhere near as strong as the best resins ...

[Martin_Bashir]

the people responsible for introducing lsd and cannabis into university campuses

and where did this come from then?

[morrocan roll]

and where did this come from then?
lots of documents have been published.
do you realy think that millions pf people around the world in the sixties woke up one morning and decided to start tripping andd smoking and growing their hair long?
cannabis and lsd use was encouraged by one the biggest advertising campaigns in history!

[Martin_Bashir]

cannabis and lsd use was encouraged by one the biggest advertising campaigns in history!

have you got any links to any info there, you very-dodgy-hippy you :flirt: :D

[morrocan roll]

crack was similar but for different reasons.
ronald reagan was fighting a war that congress refused to fund.
he needed illicit millions.
crack arrived on the streets of america.
crack wasn't something that was discovered and spread ...it arrived in poor black areas by the truck load completely out of the blue.

[morrocan roll]

have you got any links to any info there, you very-dodgy-hippy you :flirt: :D
i'll have a look later.

[morrocan roll]

heroin.
the taliban are the only ever sucsess in the so called war on drugs.
heroin production was reduced to it's lowest in history.
the yanks arrive ...but only conquer and control the capital city kabul.
all other regions are under the control of war lords.
these war lords have been given millions upon millions of dollars in cash by the yanks.
why?
to spend as they wish. to buy 4X4's ...machine guns, rocket launchers chemicals ...anything they want.
did you know that women are now even worse off than under the taliban in these areas?
anyway ...the yanks arrive and fill the pockets of the war lords ...the opium crop and heroin production is now the biggest in history ...you'd think with all that money they would no longer need to produce opium ...
the fact is that crop is worth billions ...all in tax free cash to fund anything at all that congress don't wish to know about.
try googling cia/crack ...that should come up with plenty of stuff.
see if i can find the 60's stuff.

[Skive]

Acid years ago was far stronger than it was now.

You obviously havn't tried these micro dots I've been getting. :crazyeyes

[morrocan roll]

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[morrocan roll]

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[Blagsta]

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The Real Drug Lords
A brief history of CIA involvement in the Drug Trade
by William Blum


1947 to 1951, FRANCE
According to Alfred W. McCoy in The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, CIA arms, money, and disinformation enabled Corsican criminal syndicates in Marseille to wrestle control of labor unions from the Communist Party. The Corsicans gained political influence and control over the docks — ideal conditions for cementing a long-term partnership with mafia drug distributors, which turned Marseille into the postwar heroin capital of the Western world. Marseille's first heroin laboratories were opened in 1951, only months after the Corsicans took over the waterfront.


Early 1950s, SOUTHEAST ASIA
The Nationalist Chinese army, organized by the CIA to wage war against Communist China, became the opium barons of The Golden Triangle (parts of Burma, Thailand and Laos), the world's largest source of opium and heroin. Air America, the ClA's principal airline proprietary, flew the drugs all over Southeast Asia. (See Christopher Robbins, Air America, Avon Books, 1985, chapter 9.)


1950s to early 1970s, INDOCHINA
During U.S. military involvement in Laos and other parts of Indochina, Air America flew opium and heroin throughout the area. Many GI's in Vietnam became addicts. A laboratory built at CIA headquarters in northern Laos was used to refine heroin. After a decade of American military intervention, Southeast Asia had become the source of 70 percent of the world's illicit opium and the major supplier of raw materials for America's booming heroin market.


1973-80, AUSTRALIA
The Nugan Hand Bank of Sydney was a CIA bank in all but name. Among its officers were a network of US generals, admirals and CIA men, including fommer CIA Director William Colby, who was also one of its lawyers. With branches in Saudi Arabia, Europe, Southeast Asia, South America and the U.S., Nugan Hand Bank financed drug trafficking, money laundering and international arms dealings. In 1980, amidst several mysterious deaths, the bank collapsed, $50 million in debt. (See Jonathan Kwitny, The Crimes of Patriots: A True Tale of Dope, Dirty Money and the CIA, W.W. Norton & Co., 1987.)


1970s and 1980s, PANAMA
For more than a decade, Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega was a highly paid CIA asset and collaborator, despite knowledge by U.S. drug authorities as early as 1971 that the general was heavily involved in drug trafficking and money laundering. Noriega facilitated "guns-for-drugs" flights for the contras, providing protection and pilots, as well as safe havens for drug cartel officials, and discreet banking facilities. U.S. officials, including then-ClA Director William Webster and several DEA officers, sent Noriega letters of praise for efforts to thwart drug trafficking (albeit only against competitors of his Medellin Cartel patrons). The U.S. government only turned against Noriega, invading Panama in December 1989 and kidnapping the general, once they discovered he was providing intelligence and services to the Cubans and Sandinistas. Ironically drug trafficking through Panama increased after the US invasion. (John Dinges, Our Man in Panama, Random House, 1991; National Security Archive Documentation Packet The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations.)


1980s, CENTRAL AMERICA
The San Jose Mercury News series documents just one thread of the interwoven operations linking the CIA, the contras and the cocaine cartels. Obsessed with overthrowing the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua, Reagan administration officials tolerated drug trafficking as long as the traffickers gave support to the contras. In 1989, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations (the Kerry committee) concluded a three-year investigation by stating:

"There was substantial evidence of drug smuggling through the war zones on the part of individual Contras, Contra suppliers, Contra pilots mercenaries who worked with the Contras, and Contra supporters throughout the region.... U.S. officials involved in Central America failed to address the drug issue for fear of jeopardizing the war efforts against Nicaragua.... In each case, one or another agency of the U.S. govemment had information regarding the involvement either while it was occurring, or immediately thereafter.... Senior U.S. policy makers were not immune to the idea that drug money was a perfect solution to the Contras' funding problems." (Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy, a Report of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and Intemational Operations, 1989)
In Costa Rica, which served as the "Southern Front" for the contras (Honduras being the Northern Front), there were several different ClA-contra networks involved in drug trafficking. In addition to those servicing the Meneses-Blandon operation detailed by the Mercury News, and Noriega's operation, there was CIA operative John Hull, whose farms along Costa Rica's border with Nicaragua were the main staging area for the contras. Hull and other ClA-connected contra supporters and pilots teamed up with George Morales, a major Miami-based Colombian drug trafficker who later admitted to giving $3 million in cash and several planes to contra leaders. In 1989, after the Costa Rica government indicted Hull for drug trafficking, a DEA-hired plane clandestinely and illegally flew the CIA operative to Miami, via Haiti. The U.S. repeatedly thwarted Costa Rican efforts to extradite Hull back to Costa Rica to stand trial.

Another Costa Rican-based drug ring involved a group of Cuban Americans whom the CIA had hired as military trainers for the contras. Many had long been involved with the CIA and drug trafficking They used contra planes and a Costa Rican-based shrimp company, which laundered money for the CIA, to move cocaine to the U.S.

Costa Rica was not the only route. Guatemala, whose military intelligence service — closely associated with the CIA — harbored many drug traffickers, according to the DEA, was another way station along the cocaine highway. Additionally, the Medellin Cartel's Miami accountant, Ramon Milian Rodriguez, testified that he funneled nearly $10 million to Nicaraguan contras through long-time CIA operative Felix Rodriguez, who was based at Ilopango Air Force Base in El Salvador.

The contras provided both protection and infrastructure (planes, pilots, airstrips, warehouses, front companies and banks) to these ClA-linked drug networks. At least four transport companies under investigation for drug trafficking received US government contracts to carry non-lethal supplies to the contras. Southern Air Transport, "formerly" ClA-owned, and later under Pentagon contract, was involved in the drug running as well. Cocaine-laden planes flew to Florida, Texas, Louisiana and other locations, including several military bases. Designated as 'Contra Craft,' these shipments were not to be inspected. When some authority wasn't clued in, and made an arrest, powerful strings were pulled on behalf of dropping the case, acquittal, reduced sentence, or deportation.


1980s to early 1990s, AFGHANISTAN
ClA-supported Mujahedeen rebels [now, 2001, part of the "Northern Alliance"] engaged heavily in drug trafficking while fighting against the Soviet-supported government and its plans to reform the very backward Afghan society. The Agency's principal client was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, one of the leading druglords and a leading heroin refiner. CIA-supplied trucks and mules, which had carried arms into Afghanistan, were used to transport opium to laboratories along the Afghan/Pakistan border. The output provided up to one half of the heroin used annually in the United States and three-quarters of that used in Western Europe. U.S. officials admitted in 1990 that they had failed to investigate or take action against the drug operation because of a desire not to offend their Pakistani and Afghan allies. In 1993, an official of the DEA called Afghanistan the new Colombia of the drug world.


Mid-1980s to early 199Os, HAITI
While working to keep key Haitian military and political leaders in power, the CIA turned a blind eye to their clients' drug trafficking. In 1986, the Agency added some more names to its payroll by creating a new Haitian organization, the National Intelligence Service (SIN). SIN was purportedly created to fight the cocaine trade, though SIN officers themselves engaged in the trafficking, a trade aided and abetted by some of the Haitian military and political leaders.

[morrocan roll]

illicit drugs are the biggest ever ...EVER ...tax free untraceable cash generater in history.
try and convince me that bankers and nations aren't interested ...aren't involved.
in fact don't bother ...you'll be wasting your time and look foolish.

[satehen]

hi im 14 if i had 1 line of coke would it kill me cuz im going to try it soon
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
plz reply i need to know

You are an idiot, take drugs and you'll fuck up your whole life, thats if you have a life and don't OD from it!

[Martin_Bashir]

You are an idiot, take drugs and you'll fuck up your whole life, thats if you have a life and don't OD from it!

No you are, and completely have no conception of what you are talking about. This person is quite reasonably and sensibly seeking advice on something...and you coming in throwing around stupid insults and ridiculous cliches. Back off and be reasonable...

[Skive]

You are an idiot, take drugs and you'll fuck up your whole life, thats if you have a life and don't OD from it!

Now there's a clever well thought out comment. :rolleyes:
Why don't you go and post about something you know about.

[morrocan roll]

You are an idiot, take drugs and you'll fuck up your whole life, thats if you have a life and don't OD from it!
i love your little ditty of a sig!

[SOPH1A]

You are an idiot, take drugs and you'll fuck up your whole life, thats if you have a life and don't OD from it!


clearly this is a person that knows a lot about drugs

[slinkyGirl1]

hi im 14 if i had 1 line of coke would it kill me cuz im going to try it soon
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
plz reply i need to know

I think that you deserve a Hiding form your folks. :mad:
14 is just TOO young. :impissed:

But hey its your life, if you were really worried about it you wouldnt do it.

DOnt get me wrong i am not anti drugs , quite the oppisite actually.

[Martin_Bashir]

I think that you deserve a Hiding form your folks.

yeah, great way to talk to someone whos at least trying to get information on which to base a decision.

Slinky; how do you propose kids learn to make informed adult decisions if every time they ask for information about something, people like you just turn round and tell them they deserve a clip round the ear for daring to think of such things...I dread to think what would have happened if he'd gone to someone like you quite frankley...

taking coke at 14 is not (barring external factors) inherently immoral, it is just a very bad idea when viewed sensibly and objectively.

If i had my way all this 'you-should-be-ashamed' bollocks thats been chatted in this post would be a banning offence /rant

WantCoke: I'm not trying to patronize you or anything, but you would probably do well to listen to the people who are telling you to leave it alone NOT because you are in any way incapable (you can only make decisions based upon what you think now, right?) but because alot of people who have had dealings with this substance know how destructive it can be, believe us when we say you are playing with fire on this one, and at your age the high is just not worth the potential risks. Add to this the fact that while your freinds who are doing it might be nice, just behind them in the Coke-chain are some VERY VERY nasty people. This is one drug zone in which you are guarenteed to meet some particularly nasty people at some point and at your age i would not have wanted to be anywhere near some of the people i know who are involved in coke...fuck that, i wouldnt wanna be anywhere near them now...

My advice to you is that you would do well to heed the advice of people on here who know what they are talking about and steer clear, but do it because YOU want to, because YOU think thats the best course action not because people tell you that you are bad or naughty. The best way to be safe is to make up your own mind sensibly and objectively.

Take care :thumb:

[morrocan roll]

(you can only make decisions based upon what you think now, right?) :thumb:
the only issue i have with your entire post is this bit ...



(you can only make decisions based upon what you think now, right?)

....don't forget ...
you can also make decisions on what you think you know ...

[Martin_Bashir]

well there is of course that side to it, something which shouldnt be overlooked...

[budda]

taking coke at 14 is not (barring external factors) inherently immoral, it is just a very bad idea when viewed sensibly and objectively.:

Given where cocaine money goes, I would personally say, yes it is at least morally a grey area.

[Martin_Bashir]

:yeees:

thats why i said 'barring external factors'...of course it is useless to divorce in reality anything in the chain of drug usage because it has reprocussions in the real world...

the reason i did so was to counter the ridiculous abstract notion that Cocaine is in and of itself alone, immoral.

i had already stated in my previous post that it isnt a brilliant idea to buy it if you care about the wellfare of some very poor, very oppressed people.

That'n' buy fairtrade coffee...if you are against cocaine and you buy nescafe you are missing the point or taking the piss :D

[Yerascrote]

:yeees:

thats why i said 'barring external factors'...of course it is useless to divorce in reality anything in the chain of drug usage because it has reprocussions in the real world...

the reason i did so was to counter the ridiculous abstract notion that Cocaine is in and of itself alone, immoral.

i had already stated in my previous post that it isnt a brilliant idea to buy it if you care about the wellfare of some very poor, very oppressed people.

That'n' buy fairtrade coffee...if you are against cocaine and you buy nescafe you are missing the point or taking the piss :D

well yes that and also to gangs...i don't think any drugs bought here doesn't go towards a paramilitary group at some stage...doesn't really go through your head though when you buy them...

[Martin_Bashir]

that'n'dont you end up shot through the legs if you arent a connected provo/unionist shifting pills?

[Yerascrote]

that'n'dont you end up shot through the legs if you arent a connected provo/unionist shifting pills?

yes...2 men have actually been murdered round our way in the past few years because of it...it's the loyalists who sell the pills almost exclusively...you just pay the provos to let you sell them so both sides are making money...

[Martin_Bashir]

do you ever get problems for using drugs recreationally, or at the other end do you see punishments meeted out to junkies for example?

[Yerascrote]

do you ever get problems for using drugs recreationally, or at the other end do you see punishments meeted out to junkies for example?

well not particularly...it's not really a big focus for paramilitaries...only dealers and people who cause anti-social behaviour...not many people have been beat up for rolling a joint but you do get a bad name for yourself in the community for example,if you keep to yourself and don't go too mad you're alright...i've been warned before but that was for joy-riding and who hasn't done that at some stage in their lives...

[Martin_Bashir]

but that was for joy-riding and who hasn't done that at some stage in their lives...

apparently lots of people...thats what i found out when i came to Uni :crazyeyes:

[budda]

the reason i did so was to counter the ridiculous abstract notion that Cocaine is in and of itself alone, immoral.

i had already stated in my previous post that it isnt a brilliant idea to buy it if you care about the wellfare of some very poor, very oppressed people.

That'n' buy fairtrade coffee...if you are against cocaine and you buy nescafe you are missing the point or taking the piss :D

Well of course, any drug in of itself has no morality at all, its certainly not evil.

As for fairtrade coffee, I go one further mate, fair trade, organic, shade grown in the rainforest! Yep, I am actually quite a poof.

Turlough; Thats grim, but to be frank its not all that different over here, its not like big dealers here are lovely.

[limehead]

hi im 14 if i had 1 line of coke would it kill me cuz im going to try it soon
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
plz reply i need to know

hi wantcoke. I hope you do read my post even after 5 pages of replies! I don't think you are likely to overdose from one line - but it could happen. The problem with coke is you never know what its cut with & how your body will react as your body has never experienced this before etc.

I am writing here as a coke addict - so please read this and make your own decision. I started off small and occasional with my use. Never bought it myself - had the odd line - then on "special" occassions me and a mate would say share a gram.... 3 years later I am addicted. I have a good job, earn really good money. I am educated, work hard etc but my addiction is slowly gripping every part of my life. It burns my cash, ruins my state of mind - I am paranoid, anxious, moody, I have stopped going out now and sit alone at home alone on the weekends snorting coke, suggesting my boyfriend go out and have a good time - really what I want is to be alone with my only friend -coke. This started with one line, the moved to the occassional line, then occassional shared gram, then gram after gram after gram. Side affects that may affect your decision to take coke (rather than the usual "oh you could die", "get paranoid" "get addicted" etc.... ) are asthectic things like awful spotty skin, scabs up your nose that kill, also weight gain - common to popular thoughts - getting addicted to coke can make you gain weight. It makes you not hungry, but also when you do it triggers the addiction centre in your brain - it makes you smoke more, drink more, ups your tolerance basically - then your body gets so over loaded with chemicals and crap that you blow up fat as anything.... then when you cant get it or afford it you get so down all you do is eat - well in my case anyhow. I reckon I have spent 10k on coke. I have almost wrecked my life - I need help and the reason I was reading this board is to see if there was any help, gems of knowledge to help etc.....

Aside from this I helped my brother through a very long first and second stage rehab 5 years ago. He developed Psychosis from pot, acid etc then went on to self medicate with heroin & coke. He is 5 years clean - does not drink, smoke, do drugs and eats the right food. But his battle is constant - once you have an addiction - you are always an addict - just a recovering one. He goes to AA and NA meetings all the time to help keep on track. moral of the story is I thought it would never happen to ME and it did!!!!

Anyways "wantcoke" - I hope that something I say will help you to make the right decision for yourself. :)

[morrocan roll]

He is 5 years clean - does not drink, smoke, do drugs and eats the right food. But his battle is constant - once you have an addiction - you are always an addict - just a recovering one. He goes to AA and NA meetings all the time to help keep on track.
:)
interesting post ...and a very good one.
i'm an ex heroin/amphetamine addict but ...the aa na thing was way to much for me.
for me it was like replacing one obsession with another ...and no mistakes allowed ...UNCLEAN!
being afraid to have a drink ...or a codiene was way out of what i wanted for recovery.
i never had a problem with alcohol ...i know that many addicts go from drug addiction to alcoholism ...the most famous examples i know of being eric clapton and ringo starr.
but the sucess rate isn't as high as you would be led to believe i'm afraid.
if your an aa na person ...your one drink or drug away from disaster ...
yet the people who have never had any dealings with such organisations don't have such fightening restrictions as unclean ...failure etc.
i had a serious addiction with iv ...the whole lifestyle and ritual ...i needed to break that cycle ..,
my gateway to class A addiction was throiugh cannabis ...i used cannabis as my gateway back out.
i drink i smoke and i live a very respectable and fruitful life.
i now know how to enjoy life ...without the restrictions and the fear of failure.
don't get me wrong ...i know that AA and NA have worked for many people ...but it aint for everyone.

[limehead]

interesting post ...and a very good one.
i'm an ex heroin/amphetamine addict but ...the aa na thing was way to much for me.
for me it was like replacing one obsession with another ...and no mistakes allowed ...UNCLEAN!
being afraid to have a drink ...or a codiene was way out of what i wanted for recovery.
i never had a problem with alcohol ...i know that many addicts go from drug addiction to alcoholism ...the most famous examples i know of being eric clapton and ringo starr.
but the sucess rate isn't as high as you would be led to believe i'm afraid.
if your an aa na person ...your one drink or drug away from disaster ...
yet the people who have never had any dealings with such organisations don't have such fightening restrictions as unclean ...failure etc.
i had a serious addiction with iv ...the whole lifestyle and ritual ...i needed to break that cycle ..,
my gateway to class A addiction was throiugh cannabis ...i used cannabis as my gateway back out.
i drink i smoke and i live a very respectable and fruitful life.
i now know how to enjoy life ...without the restrictions and the fear of failure.
don't get me wrong ...i know that AA and NA have worked for many people ...but it aint for everyone.


Good post - really honest, and I hear what you are saying morrocan roll. My fear is the NA, AA lifestyle - that though, is he only route to getting clean that I can see..... (my brother is very happy though.)

One of the battles I have, is with admiting I am an addict openly outside of my pseudonym in a forum like this - firstly as when I do I am committed to giving up or if I don't manage it, I am highlighting what a fuck up I am to all I care about! Then I am under the spotlight constantly being judged.

I get your feelings about AA - more in terms of fear than confidence. Im shit scared of giving up a "normal" life by giving up coke, e.g. being able to have a social drink, not having to explain why I don't drink etc. However, alcohol is a big trigger for wanting to use coke for me. Im not really sure how to tackle giving up - I have not hit rock bottom just yet - I want to spare my family / job etc, so I dont want to hit rock bottom, but at the same time I dont think I have the will to stop myself in this freefall......

so how did you do it morrocan roll? and how do you cope with knowing the feelings of using, and being addicted, but resisting but still managing to drink and not use? I find it quite hard to combrehend a time I will be in your situation........... :confused:

[morrocan roll]

limey ...where are you ...how old are you ...

i did cold turkey in hmp strangeways ...three times ...three times of hitting ythe bottom of the rock.
by the third time i had had enough.
i actualy went to a very posh rehab clinic in kent.
based on the twelve step prog of AA and NA ...i faked it to make it as they say.

i had no intentions of going from one extreme to the other.
i realy realy wanted BALANCE ...
i consider my self to be 'clean' ...since 1986.

what advice can i give you ...not sure my friend but do keep coming here.

[limehead]

25 in hampshire rolly - you?

harsh how you had to do things mate - good it worked for you though. Im jealous - bet thats not said too much to you, in respect of the experience. cold turkey is maybe too much for me right now in terms of the will or want - Im still pretending everything is cool to the outside world you see......

Been good to speak to you though ;)

[morrocan roll]

Been good to speak to you though ;)well make fucking sure you keep coming back to speak some more.

i know your dilema mate.

by the way ...you only think your pretending to the outside world ...your realy still trying to kid yourself.
denial i think it's called but ...this place is so annonymous that you will be able to open up that little crack in your veneer just that little bit more ...
'there is a crack in everything ...it's how the light gets in'.

me ...52 this year ...fled the city for life in the country.

do please keep coming back here ...nowt to loose and possibly much to gain.
keep on keeping on my man.

[limehead]

cheers rolly - honest kind words man - more appreciated than you could know

You are right I think - about denial - maybe rock bottom kicks this into reverse action - somewhere I dont want to be, so I need to work hard on being honest to myself,.... and now.

I'll be lurkin here - try and post, I promise

limey

[morrocan roll]

cheers rolly - honest kind words man - more appreciated than you could know

You are right I think - about denial - maybe rock bottom kicks this into reverse action - somewhere I dont want to be, so I need to work hard on being honest to myself,.... and now.

I'll be lurkin here - try and post, I promise

limey

you realy DON'T have to hit rock bottom limey.
many do have to ...but it aint an inevitable part of change.
i had to hit a spiritual/emotional rock bottom.

i know many people who have changed after twenty years and more of addiction ...without help ...just fed up of the whole fucking thing ...financial emotional integrity wise etc.

'I'll be lurkin here - try and post, I promise'.

keep that promise ...it will do you more good than it will me ...promise.

[Martin_Bashir]

yeah limehead, do keep in touch...

might be good to keep an area where you can come on and speak to whoever you want (people like the roll etc) and whenever you want no strings...

take care of yourself, you contribution was easily the most valuable on this thread :thumb:

[limehead]

Rolly/Bashir - thank you - choked honestly.... feel really touched you both care to make me feel better - which you have done.

Gunna go research / find an interest to get me through the boredom of life - which is why I probably wanna use anyhow....!

Post soon, promise

limey

[morrocan roll]

Gunna go research / find an interest to get me through the boredom of life - which is why I probably wanna use anyhow....!

Post soon, promise

limey
i have to go to my bed ...

finding something else to fill the void that drugs leave aint no easy task.

the beauty about drugs is ...they work ...powerfuly ...amzingly ...and instantly.

the ugly side of drugs is ...they work ...powerfuly ...amazingly ...and instantly.
and thats a fucking hard act to follow.

i'm very tired and brain dead right now mate ...my addiction seems so long ago to be but a distant dream ...it is hard to recall how i escaped ...it is hard to even recognise I WS THAT MAN!
dealing smuggling etc.
it's so distant ...18 years ago!!!wow ...

but tommorow ...i will be awake and remember that yes ...it realy was me.
last year i saw a guy my age return to heroin after years without ...it unsettled me ...frightened me ...brought back urges that i hadn't had in a long time.

come back tomorrow limey and i will hopefully have some advice ...some guidelines that might help ...
goodnight godbless mate.

[Martin_Bashir]

Gunna go research / find an interest to get me through the boredom of life - which is why I probably wanna use anyhow....!

i dont know if you know about this (im really sorry if you do, i really dont mean to patronize) but it might be relevant so i'll mention it.

Do you know about prolonged cocaine use having a descernable effect on dopamine receptors, in a very crude manner it can 'highjack' the reward reflex of the brain by making pleasure responses more sensitive to cocaine but less so to other pleasures, such as sex (which is why coke can cause loss of libido)?

The model that you are providing, staying in and using while your other half socialises and goes out, the taking over of this part of your life, could and i say could be a manifestation of this.

This may seem ridiculously simplistic but have you seen your GP about this. He/she may be able to suggest some things to help if indeed you are looking to break this cycle. At the very least it could be a route to some kind of helpful intervention. I say GP because it should be your closest and most direct route to help, advice and treatment should you desire.

Im sorry if this is just more of the same but i thought i'd mention it.

Take Care :)

[slinkyGirl1]

yeah, great way to talk to someone whos at least trying to get information on which to base a decision.
Slinky; how do you propose kids learn to make informed adult decisions if every time they ask for information about something, people like you just turn round and tell them they deserve a clip round the ear for daring to think of such things...I dread to think what would have happened if he'd gone to someone like you quite frankley...

taking coke at 14 is not (barring external factors) inherently immoral, it is just a very bad idea when viewed sensibly and objectively.

If i had my way all this 'you-should-be-ashamed' bollocks thats been chatted in this post would be a banning offence /rant


I would hate to run into you in a dark alley.
Chill!!

Like i said i am not anti drugs , but i have been there and 14 is too young.
What kept me from trying anything when i was that young was the Fear of God(so to speak) that my parents put in me.

I don’t know what it is like where you lot live, but here in SA parents still have the right to discipline their kid without fear of being sued!

Anyway. any type of drug is dangerous. Coke is addictive and harmful to your heart, and if you start at 14 then there will be allot of damage already done by the time you are my age. As well as the damage that it does to your nasal passages.
And there is no such thing as 'Just one Line'

Where would a 14 year old get the kind of money to buy coke from anyway?? It is not a cheap habit.

At 14 you dont know your limitations , i dont care how mature you are for your age!

[Martin_Bashir]

the problem with this attitude is that it doesn work as an effective long term deterrant or even as a helpful developmental thing.

If a child is hit or scolded for doing something there comes a point at which alot of them question it, and if they cant see a point in it they rebel. The 'fear of god' only works while they are able to have it put into them by older/bigger people. As they grow up they will discard it and make up their own minds, whereas if they'd been provided with a good REASON for not doing coke and a REASONABLE arguement its not so easy to knock down as an 'insolent' 14 year old child.

[budda]

Yep, but can you reason with a 14 year old as though they were an adult?

[limehead]

Yep, but can you reason with a 14 year old as though they were an adult?

Bongbudda I believe you can reason with almost any age. Get on their level of reasoning and see what they see as important. I posted to "wantcoke" about things that are not good about coke that may trigger what "wantcoke" cares about at the age of 14 - getting really bad skin, getting fat (this is not a typo - look what happened to robbie williams), having a scabby nose that hurts...some men / boys won't be able to get an errection on coke ......... Of course there are many more things far more dangerous than this - I highlighted these also - but the point is you cant just say "no dont do it, its dangerous" - give "wantcoke" a reason they would value not to do this and we've suceeded........ I dont think patronizing them, will help anyone get their point across - a 14 year old, is old enough to know they are being patronized........Its also an age at which I remember being very sensitive to it...........I think I was a nightmare actually!

[budda]

I completely agree with you, and thats why I think drugs education fails so often.

Telling a teenage cannabis smoker they may get lung cancer is pointless, but telling them they will mess up their exams and get really dull if they smoke too much will help.

[Martin_Bashir]

yes excatley as limehead put it...

this is reasoning in a different context, however the principal is the same. My arguement with SlinkyGirl's point as i detailed is that reason is an idea that adapts with age; a clip round the ear doesnt.

[morrocan roll]

i am so tired ...please don't go awaqy.

[slinkyGirl1]

Yep, but can you reason with a 14 year old as though they were an adult?

Thank-you. :thumb:

When I said hiding from parents I meant it more figuratively than literally. I have the utmost respect for my parents and while I was still that young, and living under their roof, I did not want to disappoint them. My father’s worst punishment was silent treatment.

I agree that drug education that is given to youngsters doesn’t work :no: . But what did work for us was this guy that is a recovering addict would come and talk to us at school and he was honest with us. :yes:

14 is still too young!! At that age you are not physically or emotionally mature enough to handle it and guaranteed that your mates who want you to try it are not equipped enough to look after you if something does go wrong.

Your first time on anything should be with people that you truly trust. Basically if you pass out, fall over or something worse happens to you, do you trust your friends (honestly, and deeply) enough to take GOOD care of you? Or are they just going to leave you lying there, in the bathroom or where ever till you come right?? It has happened to me and it is scary!!!!

[budda]

I think this touches on a really difficult area, in that how do you dicipline teenagers, they are adult enough to make their own choices, but their decision making ability isnt as good as an adult.

I sure as hell know when I was a teenager when I thought was a great idea really wasnt a lot of the time, you do have trouble thinking past the end of next week. (now I have trouble thinking back that far)

But, if you treat them just as children and say 'Just say NO' it doesnt work, they are old enough to know thats rubbish. You need to tailor your information to the age group.

[slinkyGirl1]

Well i think that we have all tried to make our point and when you actually think about it , he/she had proberly made up their mind before even before they started thi thread. When i was that age , yeah you might ask for advice but you never really pay any attention to what has been said.

WantCoke , i just hope that you are able to keep your wits about you and that you stay safe , it is your life afterall and you are only young and carefree once , Make the most of it. I think that my signature says it all.
Good luck.

[budda]

Slinkygirl; Havent you just contradicted yourself there then? First you say its really not a good idea, then you refer the person to your sig, which implies they should do it.

[Spliffie]

Telling a teenage cannabis smoker they may get lung cancer is pointless, but telling them they will mess up their exams and get really dull if they smoke too much will help.

Nah, I very much doubt that.

Most teenagers won't listen, the type who smoke cannabis regularly anyway...they judge on personal experience.

[budda]

You're probably right, but at least its more likely to get through, which is something.

[Martin_Bashir]

14 is still too young!! At that age you are not physically or emotionally mature enough to handle it and guaranteed that your mates who want you to try it are not equipped enough to look after you if something does go wrong.

Your first time on anything should be with people that you truly trust. Basically if you pass out, fall over or something worse happens to you, do you trust your friends (honestly, and deeply) enough to take GOOD care of you? Or are they just going to leave you lying there, in the bathroom or where ever till you come right?? It has happened to me and it is scary!!!!


wouldnt disagree to much with any of that, but my point was the first thing you came in with was 'You deserve a hiding', which doesnt help us in understanding this or the original poster in their predictament with this drug.

I took issue with your original reply because it wasnt very well considered and was very judgemental. The above quote is neither.

[slinkyGirl1]

Slinkygirl; Havent you just contradicted yourself there then? First you say its really not a good idea, then you refer the person to your sig, which implies they should do it.

I did realise that.

You see, I have been torn between two sides to this.

I am a drug user. And have nothing against using responsibly. So I would be a real hypocrite if I said “DON’T DO DRUGS THEY WILL KILL YOU”

But on the other hand, my little sister wanted to try it and I said to here that I would take her out to a proper club and basically show her the ropes so to speak, when she was a bit older. Mainly to make sure that I could look after her if something went wrong. And she promised me that she would wait. Anyway she didn’t wait and ended up taking at a mate’s house and they were just watching movies and had a REALLY bad trip and her friends didn’t know how to handle it.She gave me and herself such a scare. But what I did learn form this is that even if you talk to teens on their level , they end up doing what they want anyway.

So I guess you were right, yes I did contradict myself. And I do also apologise if I offended anyone by coming across judgemental or closed-minded. :blush:

Lv SG

Hope there are no bad feelings. :thumb:

[budda]

Its certainly a tough one, I guess the best you can do is give all the information you can and then hopefully they will be a bit safer if they do want to try things.

[MizTerror]

hi im 14 if i had 1 line of coke would it kill me cuz im going to try it soon
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
plz reply i need to know


hey yo u dont need that kind of shit even 1 line can get u hooked my bf took 1 line an he was hooked its taken him 4 years to get of it we were goin out for 8 years and 4 were wasted coz of dat dont do it trust me it does fuck yu up :banghead: