alcohol alternatives?

[el_dude]

My first venture here!

Now before anyone flames me, this is not a "ooo I'm needing to impress some friends by going that bit further than alcohol now" . Not at all. It's just a question that arose from a conversation with a friend, whereby we couldn't think of any legal alternatives to alcohol. The question first came about because I've been trying to stop drinking, but at the same time I ideally would want something that could act as a substitute, as a "social lubricant" as such lol.

So are there any?

[Zella]

Well if you stand up really really quick you go dizzy for a bit. Ooor!!! Ya dont have a fag for like 6 hours then have one and stand up really really quick! Huge high, but dont last for very long.

Whats the point in giving up drinking if you still want the effect of alcohol? You dont need to get drunk just as a social lubricant as you put it.

[el_dude]

if you are out with people who are drinking...and you are not...its not as fun, hence my ponderance about an alcohol substitute.

[ginner]

You're right, they should ban alcohol :razz:

[Zella]

May I ask your reasons for not wanting to drink alcohol. The only other legal drug that you could get away with doing in a pub/club is caffinee. One of my old mates used to swear by pro plus. She would get soooo hyper, it was almost like she was drunk. It says on the packets not to take more than 2 at once but she would take like 4.
I wouldnt advise it tho, they can really mess up your body clock and the comedown is bad too.

Took me weeks to get over taking pro plus and I took the recomended dose.

[el_dude]

its a health thing really. Have been trying to lose weight and i found previously that when i did stop drinking i felt healthier....but couldnt have as much fun when i went out with my mates.

[morrocan roll]

diesel.

[Makoto]

My first venture here!

Now before anyone flames me, this is not a "ooo I'm needing to impress some friends by going that bit further than alcohol now" . Not at all. It's just a question that arose from a conversation with a friend, whereby we couldn't think of any legal alternatives to alcohol. The question first came about because I've been trying to stop drinking, but at the same time I ideally would want something that could act as a substitute, as a "social lubricant" as such lol.

So are there any?

Confidence

[el_dude]

lol true say.

[el_dude]

saying that tho, thats a separate issue being addressed there, which i havnt specific chosen to refer to. You can be confident, sure i am with my friends, but if they are drinking and your not and your not having as good a time as them then confidence is redundant.

[Spliffie]

saying that tho, thats a separate issue being addressed there, which i havnt specific chosen to refer to. You can be confident, sure i am with my friends, but if they are drinking and your not and your not having as good a time as them then confidence is redundant.

All "good" drugs are illegal.

Alcohol is as close as you'll get to a decent legal drug...and even at that, it's pretty shite.

[wheresmyplacebo]

May I ask your reasons for not wanting to drink alcohol. The only other legal drug that you could get away with doing in a pub/club is caffinee. One of my old mates used to swear by pro plus. She would get soooo hyper, it was almost like she was drunk. It says on the packets not to take more than 2 at once but she would take like 4.
I wouldnt advise it tho, they can really mess up your body clock and the comedown is bad too.

Took me weeks to get over taking pro plus and I took the recomended dose.


screws up ur liver too

[Martin_Bashir]

with some of the 'social lubrication' (i'll leave the Freudian analysis of that one to the rest of ya) that is derrived from alcohol (fighting, slips of the tongue, loudness, 'mistakes' and consequently ...um...PEOPLE!)...why would you need to replace this...if you arent liking the alcohol as a social drug...maybe you dont need or want this kind of (what could be described as) social crutch anymore, or maybe not as much of it...just thoughts really

[Makoto]

Must admot tho, seeing all your mates getting pissed and having a laugh while your not drinking does feel a little strange, like your missing out on a good night.

There is always Red Bull... it gives you wings :D.

[budda]

I'm always surprised the reputation Pro Plus gets, its just caffine and not really in that high a dose.

Each tablet is only 50mg, thats really not all that much, its relatively easy to consume 10 times that much in a day if you are a regular caffine user.

[g_angel]

Some of my friends take slimming pills. These are quite often amphetamine based and they say they get a real high off them when they neck 4 or so when out clubbing... I'm sure that it ain't exactly 100% healthy but that could be an option, seeing as they're legal.

G.

[budda]

They wont be amphetamine based, or if they are then they are not legal without a prescription and unless you are MASSIVE there is no GP who will give you them.

They will however have some compounds sort of related to amphetamine, lower down the chain as it where, more side effects and less high.

They may also not be totally legal either, if you are importing them and they contain ephadrine you may well need a licence to do that.

I dont think any tablets sold in the UK are allowed to have ephadrine in. They may have Mah Gong (sp?) which is the root from which ephadrine is extracted.

Basically taking lots of ephadrine or related compounds can cause heart palpatations, irregular heart beat and spike your blood pressure making heart attacks and strokes more likely.

Appart from that though they are fine.

[budda]

It's certainly not a healthy attitude to drinking, many people drink FAR more than they should.

Its quite a childish attitude I think too, 'oooh look at me I can drink more than you' it becomes a my dad is harder than your dad contest.

[Martin_Bashir]

'i can do more pills than you'...'come on you've only done a kiddies lung, ave a few more'...'bash up another one, that line was budge'...

harder, faster and stronger for longer...we like to be fucked by drugs...

[budda]

That kind of macho culture has always been around though, I think the casual nature in which pills are used has changed.

The invention of the laddette has really changed the scene too.

[Shogun]

Substitute for the alcohol induced social feelings?

Ecstacy.

[katchika]

Eat chocolate.

Eat this red herby thing that you put in Paella- I forget the name - it's meant to have mild hallucigonic (sp) effects. Or nutmeg.

Or smoke shisha, that makes you v. light headed.

Go to an oxygen bar, supposed to be good, expensive though, about £5 a shot.

[Yerascrote]

poppers are good for a minute high that leaves you with a sore head

petrol,glue and solvents of any kind really also give a good buzz but are extremely dangerous, not long lasting and leave you with a sore head aswell

i'm afraid you're stuck with alcohol unless you want to go into the world of class A's and B's

[Martin_Bashir]

Or nutmeg

NO DON'T DO THAT! nutmeg is hallucenogenic only because it is also a POISON. Nutmeg, in very large doses will cause you problems as it is a hepatotoxin, which means it causes servere liver damage!

the feeling you get from large amounts of nutmeg is the feeling of your body being poisoned.

[budda]

Exactly, nutmeg is a deriliant rather than a hallucinogen, in that it poisons you to make you hallucinate.

[LadyJade]

Eat chocolate.

Eat this red herby thing that you put in Paella- I forget the name - it's meant to have mild hallucigonic (sp) effects.

Do you mean Saffron?

[budda]

Do you mean Saffron?

Given the price of it would be a more expencive high than pure heroin.

(oh are you going to respond to my PM LadyJade?)

[Skive]

I dont think any tablets sold in the UK are allowed to have ephadrine in.

As far as I know there are still loads of cough/cold medicines that contain ephedrine if that's the same compound.

[budda]

As far as I know there are still loads of cough/cold medicines that contain ephedrine if that's the same compound.

They all have psuodoephadrine (sp?) rather than ephadrine, thats even lower down the scale, it has NO recreational use at all, other than to clear your nose.

[katchika]

Yes I meant saffron. It's pretty pricy though. I have a vague memory of eating some and going clubbing when I was 16.

[el_dude]

Cheers guys.....i think having weighed this up its probably just going to have to be moderation of alcohol tho.

On a different, yet drug related note, is it true that menthol rub stuff like Vick's contains a form of speed?

[Shogun]

Wouldn't have a clue, i'd wait for bongbudda to answer that one.

[Martin_Bashir]

On a different, yet drug related note, is it true that menthol rub stuff like Vick's contains a form of speed?

the myth about this one comes from the 1960s i think. The company that makes Vicks also used to make an inhaler which contained amphetamine...which was subsequently banned when phet was classified

in this (http://sport.guardian.co.uk/olympics/story/0,10308,663269,00.html) article you will find details of the American vicks inhaler that up until recently contained a form of amphetamine that had decongesgent properties, but with the right knowledge could be made into Meth...Vicks have since changed ingredients so that this cannot be done...

[Blagsta]

They all have psuodoephadrine (sp?) rather than ephadrine, thats even lower down the scale, it has NO recreational use at all, other than to clear your nose.

iirc, pseudoephedrine is a stereoisomer of ephedrine, the same way that Benzedrine (l-amphetamine) and Dexedrine (d-amphetamine) are.

[LadyJade]

Yes I meant saffron. It's pretty pricy though. I have a vague memory of eating some and going clubbing when I was 16.

I can't find anything about the mood altering properties of saffron anywhere, not even on Erowid - anyone else know?

[budda]

iirc, pseudoephedrine is a stereoisomer of ephedrine, the same way that Benzedrine (l-amphetamine) and Dexedrine (d-amphetamine) are.

I knew they were related but not that way, thanks for that information.

I've always heard that pseudoephedrine has even less abuse potential than ephadrine which isnt much at all.

Oh and whats does iirc mean?


Martin; I'm not sure it was Vicks but certainly back in the early 60's there was an inhalher which had an amphetamine soaked rag thing in it. Its use is described in Junkie by William Burroughs.

As for the substance that can make meth, that will be either of the two ephadrine's.

[Skive]

I'm not sure it was Vicks but certainly back in the early 60's there was an inhalher which had an amphetamine soaked rag thing in it.

I remeber when we were at school my mate and I would sometimes abuse his inhaler he had for his asthma. We'd give about 30 squirts in a bottle an then lug it all in one.
It gives you one hell of a lovely rush but to this day I don't know what it was.

[budda]

I remeber when we were at school my mate and I would sometimes abuse his inhaler he had for his asthma. We'd give about 30 squirts in a bottle an then lug it all in one.
It gives you one hell of a lovely rush but to this day I don't know what it was.

It will be something to open the brocial tubes, get more oxygen to the brain, a bit like poppers though through a different action.

[Shogun]

I remeber when we were at school my mate and I would sometimes abuse his inhaler he had for his asthma. We'd give about 30 squirts in a bottle an then lug it all in one.
It gives you one hell of a lovely rush but to this day I don't know what it was.

:yes:

I've done this before, always wanted to know what it was. The rush is unbelievable off it but it dosen't last very long at all.

[budda]

Never underestimate the power of adrenaline too, you were doing something naughty so that means lots of it stimulated, plus the extra oxygen.

[Shogun]

It's a very powerful rush I know that for sure.

[Skive]

It will be something to open the brocial tubes, get more oxygen to the brain, a bit like poppers though through a different action.

It is similar to poppers I suppose except far more pleasurable. You could feel rushes in every part of your body like electricity. The rush used to be so strong it would lay me out for 20 seconds or so.
I want an inhaler now! :D

[budda]

Abusing prescription drugs is wrong and probably quite dangerous.

[Blagsta]

I knew they were related but not that way, thanks for that information.

I've always heard that pseudoephedrine has even less abuse potential than ephadrine which isnt much at all.

Ephedrine is a physical stimulant, i.e. it will make you feel twitchy and sweaty with heart palpitations, but not much euphoria like phet. Pseudoephedrine is much less of a stimulant.

Oh and whats does iirc mean?

If I recall correctly

[Skive]

Abusing prescription drugs is wrong and probably quite dangerous.

OK Dad. :p

[budda]

Ephedrine is a physical stimulant, i.e. it will make you feel twitchy and sweaty with heart palpitations, but not much euphoria like phet. Pseudoephedrine is much less of a stimulant.

Ok, I knew that bit, I just wasnt sure of their relationship to each other. Cheers for the info, I'm gradually learning all these short hand things.

[Shogun]

I've 2 inhalers down stairs with a flask, i think i'll go for a blast. ha.

[toxistic]

eh, I'd like to know wut an alternative to the "high" of alcohol would be...thas all I'm interested in...I don't need the high cost, weight increase and damage to the liver. I don't really care if its illegal or legal...jus, does anyone know an alternative to get the same "high"???

-Tox

[party_head]

Few valium would do it, like a mix of being drunk and stoned - lovely!