View Full Version : How come we don't get larger net connections
Hellfire
10-03-2005, 01:25 AM
For example my girlfriend in america has a 11mb connection, how come we don't get anything like that over here, for commerical use, i mean obviously schools and buissness do have it, but we don't how come?
Fenix Blade
10-03-2005, 01:35 AM
It doesn't make sense. 11mb would just beg people to download all day and all night. We don't have the facilities at current and it wouldn't make much money. Economically this is a no-no in my opinion for the next 5 years or so. I know there's a 6mb line, mainly only central london though.
Maladjusted
10-03-2005, 04:24 AM
Read somewhere that Pipex are about to start test trials of an 8mb connection.
People in japn and rest of asia have even faster basic connections and you don't see it as a case of people just downloading stuff continuously all day.
Unless you;re some kind of obessive media hoarder there's only so much stuff that you might want.
It means it'll open up more stuff like better streaming services, content downlaod on demand maybe, all sorts of stuff.
For example my girlfriend in america has a 11mb connection, how come we don't get anything like that over here, for commerical use, i mean obviously schools and buissness do have it, but we don't how come?
your girlfriend is from and currently in america?
Greater bandwidth does not mean that people download constantly. The same people that download constantly now would carry on downloading constantly, obviously, because they are like that. Most people just see it as a way to get what they want quicker, not to get more.
ShyBoy
10-03-2005, 09:09 AM
One of the continental countries can apparently get 20mb connections for the equivelent of our upmarket broadband (i.e. £35 - £40). Not sure though, I just remember one of my friends when I used to play lots of Operation Flashpoint, lots of germans and danes :chin:
Dr Pirate
10-03-2005, 12:24 PM
your girlfriend is from and currently in america?
I was thinking that too.
Jim V
10-03-2005, 03:24 PM
Because BT restrict the usage of their lines for high connection speeds. The current upgrades on most services are due to them agreeing to open the floodgates a little.
That's why the 4 / 8 meg connections companies in the UK currently use LLU (local loop unbundling) where they set up parrallel services to BT
However rumor is you should expect both Bulldog and Uk online to be pushing for 16 meg connections, oh and there are rumors of a 16 meg BT trial for staff only.
Then again, outside of gaming or downloading who cares - the whole office (30+ people) has a 2 meg connection (though it is with a 2meg upload rate as well as download)
Then again, outside of gaming or downloading who cares - the whole office (30+ people) has a 2 meg connection (though it is with a 2meg upload rate as well as download)
can i come play in your office sometime :hyper:
Jim V
11-03-2005, 08:14 AM
you understand we only have 1 2meg connection for everyone to share
Hellfire
11-03-2005, 08:22 AM
so... 2meg / 30 people = something like 56k lol?
Jim V
11-03-2005, 08:26 AM
it's faster than that but only because everyone isn't clicking on pages all the time, it was just to highlight the fact that most businesses don't have internet connections anywhere near the speed people think they do
jake0
11-03-2005, 09:59 AM
it's faster than that but only because everyone isn't clicking on pages all the time, it was just to highlight the fact that most businesses don't have internet connections anywhere near the speed people think they do
universities however....
Yes, universities do, but then universities (in America, moreso than here) helped to develope the interent (try a search for arpanet). The reason our connections aren't on a par with that of other countries is because went the current telephone systems (ie, the physical cabeling) were being rolled out, home internet useage wasn't an issue, nor were large amounts of telephone calls going through local exchanges. Thus the fiber optic back bone of they system was only used as far as they saw neccessary. Japan however, in their forward thinking style, stretched the fiber optics (not literally) out as far as they could, allowing for future upgrades. I believe that they're currently toying with a 28Mb/ps service over there. (For anybody interested, Bulldog (http://www.bulldogbroadband.com/) are rolling out their 4meg services at low low prices :) )
Daibach
11-03-2005, 10:11 AM
My Uni has a 2Gb connection to the internet (we're on the SuperJANET backbone). It's great. When connected to the network we can download a DVD in about 2 hours (a legal DVD of course :p ). its great.
go for the dvd quality encoded avi files, 700meg for a dvd quality film, or if its not dvd quality you cant notice the difference
and that takes next to no time on a uni connection
Senor Miguel
11-03-2005, 10:29 PM
My Uni has a 2Gb connection to the internet (we're on the SuperJANET backbone). It's great.
:yes: in my room i get up to 1mb/sec download off web servers, but only 150k/sec max on p2p cos noone else can keep up........
Monserrat
12-03-2005, 03:14 PM
In 1999, I was hooked up to a T1 connection in my uni halls. This was in Staffordshire University, Stafford campus. It was dead cheap too... at £2/week x 40 weeks, paid as a lump sum. Downloads were normally at 200 kilobytes per second.
It was a shame really, because it was my very first experience of Internet access. When I was at home from uni in the summer of 1999, I brought a 56k modem, and hell, that was slow!
In 2002, I graduated, stayed in Stafford and went onto NTL 600 kbit. Since then, they have upgraded to 750, and then this week, went up to 2 Meg. This is now the same as a T1! I'm finally back to T1 speeds.
ginner
12-03-2005, 03:23 PM
My university (Durham) claims to have the fastest internet connection in Britain. Unfortunately they also have a rather strict IT service and a decent firewall that prevents us from using P2P software. Still, there's always ShareScan.
As internet connections get better I'd like to see the BBC put all its programming available for download in digital format. I don't see why they're spending all this money on freeview when there's a better distribution technology already there. If it's a piracy issue then there's always the option of protecting content and only allowing registered licence payers to get it?
Kermit
12-03-2005, 04:02 PM
My university (Durham) claims to have the fastest internet connection in Britain. Unfortunately they also have a rather strict IT service and a decent firewall that prevents us from using P2P software.
Yep, and if they catch you downloading copyrighted materials they will absolutely throw the book at you. A friendofafriendofafriend was named on the top-ten list of illegal downloaders for the university, and was banned from all ITS services. Which isn't good if you want a degree.
I always thought the ITS were incompetent eedjits, mind. Although the connection in Aidan's (even through my old PC which made an Amstrad look modern) was always reasonably good.
rachie004
12-03-2005, 04:59 PM
your girlfriend is from and currently in america?
omg I want you're babies!
omg I want you're babies!
why is that :chin:
jake0
12-03-2005, 06:41 PM
if any of you have ever been to the i-series gaming lans ( run by www.multiplay.co.uk ) you get placed on their network and theres a 100mbit connection attached to it, my god was it sweet. downloads of up to 8meg/s from the fast uk servers, i tell you, it was beautiful. was a bit of a downfall when i went home though, going from a 100mbit connection to a 1mbit connection, haha, i could notice the speed difference!
Replicant
12-03-2005, 09:26 PM
so unfair, I think even as little distance away as france they have 8Mbit connection...
suppose I'd better cope with my 3Mbit connection for now, but when my housemates use bittorent, it just ceases to work. damn slow upload speeds
Carriage Return
12-03-2005, 10:15 PM
it's faster than that but only because everyone isn't clicking on pages all the time, it was just to highlight the fact that most businesses don't have internet connections anywhere near the speed people think they do
Well, 2mb/s with a 30:1 contention ration isn't too bad. Is it framestream or private circuit?
for a private circuit I guess you're paying around 15 pounds per desk per month
Carriage Return
12-03-2005, 10:21 PM
suppose I'd better cope with my 3Mbit connection for now, but when my housemates use bittorent, it just ceases to work. damn slow upload speeds
get yourself a router that'll do bandwidth management. That'll learn 'em.
(although it is the wrong side of the link to be fully effective, GRED should help)
Jim V
12-03-2005, 10:41 PM
Mate, they ain't gonna let me anywhere near the accounts
Fenix Blade
16-03-2005, 01:49 PM
Broadband speeds of 18Mbps could soon be available if NTL's ADSL2+ trial is successful
Broadband speeds could soon reach new heights as cable operator NTL pilots ADSL2+ — a technology that offers a maximum download speeds of 18Mbps.
Such rates are only possible over short distances, but NTL says that 95 percent of homes are within one kilometre of its high-speed fibre network. This means ADSL2+ should run at high speeds over the copper wire that runs between NTL's roadside cabinets and individual homes.
"The field trials are to determine the technological potential of these next-generation broadband services and evaluate the operational benefits of ADSL2+," said an NTL spokesman. "Our fibre-rich network means that we have the potential to provide customers with multiple services through a single high-speed IP connection."
The company also been testing streaming of high-definition broadcasts over its IP fibre network.
BT is planning to begin trialling ADSL2+ this year. However, only a small proportion of its customers live within one kilometre of their local telephone exchange, which could limit BT's ADSL2+ top speeds. Few details of BT's ADSL2+ trial have been released as yet.
BT's wholesale division is also about to begin trialling ADSL at speeds up to 8Mbps — a four-fold increase on its current top speed. However, it is likely that only homes and businesses within a few kilometres of their local telephone exchange will be able to get such rates.
ShyBoy
16-03-2005, 03:34 PM
The NTL fibre optic box is actually physically outside our house :p but I don't think that's the exchange, is it?
Anyway, 18Mb downloads for all :D
GillyBaby
18-03-2005, 12:24 PM
However rumor is you should expect both Bulldog and Uk online to be pushing for 16 meg connections, oh and there are rumors of a 16 meg BT trial for staff only.
8Mbps was launched by UK online in November....
I have 2Mbps from UK online at home and it works great! (I actually work for the ISP that owns them so get a great discount....)
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