Question about X

[mtman989]

Would anyone here happen to be able to tell me about a pill called the morning star? Its color is a light green with darker green specks and it has an outlined star stamped into the surface. I am unable to find it on the internet to check its stats. I would much rather know what I am consuming before I go off into a trip. If anybody has any info it would be much appreciated.
thanks
mtman989 :thumb:

[21qtpie21]

Imthinking about trying X but im kinda scared.. Do you think if i only take half a pill ill be ok and not die :heart: Amy

[Yerascrote]

Would anyone here happen to be able to tell me about a pill called the morning star? Its color is a light green with darker green specks and it has an outlined star stamped into the surface. I am unable to find it on the internet to check its stats. I would much rather know what I am consuming before I go off into a trip. If anybody has any info it would be much appreciated.
thanks
mtman989 :thumb:

do you usually take white pills...just because they're coloured doesn't mean there's anything special or different in them...it's usually for show...i say take them as long as you're getting them off a reliable dealer and you know your limits.

[Yerascrote]

Imthinking about trying X but im kinda scared.. Do you think if i only take half a pill ill be ok and not die :heart: Amy

i found that strangly amusing...well half a pill is the best recomendation for first time users...same as above...get reliable source and be in good company...there was a thread done on this already...i think i read somewhere that there's a 50,000-1 chance of taking an allergic reaction to MDMA which might result in death...never even came into my mind when i first tried it...it does put some off but most take the risk which if you think about it...is seriously low but a risk all the same...

[Martin_Bashir]

judging from the times you guys are posting at and the fact that you refer to it as 'X', im assuming you're american...

the likelyhood of you dying from taking half a pill is minimal compared to many everyday actions you take for granted...

the real danger with any type of amphetamine is its implications forn those with latant or hereditary mental health issues. if anyone in your family has suffered from any form of moderate or severe depression, or in particular schiezophrenia then i would seriously think twice...

turloughs point is a good one..try to find a reliable dealer if you do decide to do that...but keep in mind thats a relative term...some dealers might be good on the whole but remember that when it comes down to it they'll sell what they've got.

If i am right and you're american, you can buy EZ test kit (that helps you find out how pure your pill is) kits on the internet. Keep in mind these will not tell you how much (dose wise) MDMA is in there and will not specifically tell you what unwanted adulterants (stuff that CAN be cut into tablets) are there, only that they are in there.

If you do decide to take it, be with someone who knows what you are doing, take half and wait ideally an hour before you take the other half. And please resist the temptation to do more than one on your first go, its not a very good idea. Oh, and if nothing happens and you think you've been sold a dud, DO NOT just neck another one; you dont know what that dud is doing to you...leave it for another day if nothing happens...

Drink water steadily (regularly sip about a pint of water or fruit juice every hour) and if you're dancing take regular breaks...and if your mate tells you to take five, even if you dont fell like it listen to them...they can probably see what you cant...<EDIT>also keep in mind that drinking and rest is not an antedote to X, its an antedote to dancing and physically active running around, be mindful of how you feeling...its easy to get lost in the moment on E.</EDIT>

take care :thumb:

[budda]

Good advice Martin except that shite about a 'pint an hour' you cant be as prescriptive as that at all, everyone is different.

Just take sips of water when you get thirsty.

[LadyJade]

You could have a look at theSite's information sheets, on Ecstacy (http://www.thesite.org.uk/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsatoz/ecstasy) , Can Ecstacy Kill (http://www.thesite.org.uk/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsandyourbody/canecstasykill), E and holes in the brain (http://www.thesite.org.uk/drinksanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsandyourbody/eandholesinthebrain).

[Spliffie]

Would anyone here happen to be able to tell me about a pill called the morning star? Its color is a light green with darker green specks and it has an outlined star stamped into the surface. I am unable to find it on the internet to check its stats. I would much rather know what I am consuming before I go off into a trip. If anybody has any info it would be much appreciated.
thanks
mtman989 :thumb:

Batches are changing all the time, you can't know the quality of a pill from looking at it...

But, you can get a test kit which might give you a rough idea.

[Spliffie]

Good advice Martin except that shite about a 'pint an hour' you cant be as prescriptive as that at all, everyone is different.

Just take sips of water when you get thirsty.

The pint an hour stuff isn't really shite, if it gets the message across to drink no more than that an hour.

[Martin_Bashir]

Good advice Martin except that shite about a 'pint an hour' you cant be as prescriptive as that at all, everyone is different

i did use the term 'about' to qualify that BTW :yeees:

and im sticking by that due to the fact that...oh shit hang on (check out the edit and i'll show you where i went wrong, i think i cut it out and pasted it into to something else...)

[budda]

You do need to be more careful in the US too, very high prices mean that other drugs are put into pills which they are not here.

Substances such as DXM and methamphetamine do turn up every now and then, and there have been some pills with research chemicals in too, most notibly 5-meo-dipt.

[Martin_Bashir]

see i thought about posting this but i wasnt enitrely sure, does E generally go for the same price a Meth?

[budda]

i did use the term 'about' to qualify that BTW :yeees:

and im sticking by that due to the fact that...oh shit hang on (check out the edit and i'll show you where i went wrong, i think i cut it out and pasted it into to something else...)

It was advice which was given out to clubbers ages ago but is now widely regarded as useless.

[budda]

see i thought about posting this but i wasnt enitrely sure, does E generally go for the same price a Meth?

Methamphetamine is just far more available there than MDMA.

With pills going for upwards of $20 and the oral dose of methamphetamine being 40mg, that means a lot of money per gram of meth.

[Hemisphere]

Does it look like this?

http://www.ecstasydata.org/images/2003/1214_lg_star.jpg

If so, they're around in LA. It has MDMA and Pseudoephedrine in. (Pseudoephedrine is a prescribed drug for colds and unblocking noses. It can cause hallucinations which could be why they mix it in.) That one that was tested did anyhow.

As it's been said so many times on these boards, all ecstacy pills will be different. There are many variations of every pill. Just because they are a pretty colour or have a pretty stamp on them it doesn't mean they'll be better than a plain white one.

To 21qtpie21 I had a whole one the first time I dropped and am glad I didn't do half. If you're going to do it, why pussyfoot around? But that's me. Do whatever you feel comfortable with. You're more likely to get hit by lightening than die from ecstacy. If you're allergic to it you usually just puke it up and it's over. So yeah, take what you feel comfortable with and have a bottle of water tucked away somewhere safe :)

Hope that helped :thumb:

[Martin_Bashir]

no i think the sentiment was quite good actually, just the way it was presented was shite... for these reasons...

i know that certainly when i was fizzing myself stupid on E that sometimes while dancing i'd just get lost in the moment and not pay attention to anything but the buzz. The last guy i saw go down at raindance was sweating like a bastard and his mates had been on at him to drink for ages and he was so fucked and peaking that he wouldnt listen.

now i think that seeing as drug use is so highly individualised that at some point that you have to have some sort of standard but adaptable advice...

it doesnt have to be prescriptive if its made clear that its an extremely relative amount...its just that you need something to anchor your idea to...

the only thing i might say is that seeing as most people drink bottled water (usually 500ml, a pint is 550) that it might be better to say roughly 500ml but listen to your body...its not too high an anchor or too low...with an emphasis on individuals being suss to their own situation i dont think its that invalid

the problem with the original wording was that is presented the idea that water was an antedote to E thats what was wrong with it...

[Martin_Bashir]

If you're allergic to it you usually just puke it up and it's over.

absolute rubbish, completely 100% wrong and misleading..

have you even met anyone who's allergic to MDMA?

[Hemisphere]

absolute rubbish, completely 100% wrong and misleading..

have you even met anyone who's allergic to MDMA?

No I can't say I have then. I know people who are just sick everytime they swallow one because they're body rejects it. I was told that would be the worse thing to happen. Obviously that's wrong, I apologise.

What can happen?

[budda]

absolute rubbish, completely 100% wrong and misleading..

have you even met anyone who's allergic to MDMA?

People can be allergic too it, and the result is as you say very different from just puking it up.

[budda]

If so, they're around in LA. It has MDMA and Pseudoephedrine in. (Pseudoephedrine is a prescribed drug for colds and unblocking noses. It can cause hallucinations which could be why they mix it in.) .

I hate to be picky but thats actually quite wrong, any form of ephadrine is not hallucinogenic in any way. Its a low form of speed, comparable with caffine really.

[Hemisphere]

I hate to be picky but thats actually quite wrong, any form of ephadrine is not hallucinogenic in any way. Its a low form of speed, comparable with caffine really.

"What side effects can this medication cause?
Although side effects from pseudoephedrine are not common, they can occur. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:

nervousness
restlessness
dizziness
difficulty sleeping
upset stomach

If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately:

difficulty breathing
fast or irregular heartbeat
muscle weakness
palpitations
tremors
hallucinations "

That's why I said it. Plus I did only say 'could be why'.

[Martin_Bashir]

yeah thats (i think we agreed didnt we Bong?) what im taking at the moment at raves, its legal and its shite but it does give you a bit of a jolt... best thing about it is, it doesnt quite 'peak' if you can call it that for about 4-5 hours after ingestion, so just when you're really tired it'll pick you up slightly...

an allergic reaction to anything is possible...the only thing is that this myth was put out by misguided drug education everywhere...the likelyhood of you being allergic to any type of amphetamine is certainly not worth the couverage it got or how many people people percieve it as a great risk?

it IS directly comparable with anything else you DONT know you're allergic to in terms of risk...

[budda]

OK, I will change my advice.

Ephadrine in its forms can cause hallucinations in incredibly rare situations very occasionally to some people. Though its unlikely.

The pill makers put it in there because its a dirt cheap stimulant, not because one of its very rare side effects might be hallucinations.

[budda]

[QUOTE=Martin_Bashir]yeah thats (i think we agreed didnt we Bong?) what im taking at the moment at raves, its legal and its shite but it does give you a bit of a jolt... best thing about it is, it doesnt quite 'peak' if you can call it that for about 4-5 hours after ingestion, so just when you're really tired it'll pick you up slightly...[QUOTE]

Err, no, it will take affect after about 15-20 mins ish.

[Martin_Bashir]

oh im not saying it doesnt, but im serious, whenever i've taken it (and everyone else i know who has), it takes effect but peaks at about 4-5 hours... everyone @ HTID who ingested them at 10.30 still had the feeling of their hair standing on end and the tops of their head buzzing at 5am...

either that or we've got the wrong stuff...

[budda]

You werent taking the long release stuff were you?

[Martin_Bashir]

oh god knows
http://www.herbalhighs.com/product.cfm?id=2

theres an ingredients list on the middle right of the page...

and i cant see ephedrine...

[budda]

Ephadrine is a dirty drug anyway, you might as well just have caffine.

[Hemisphere]

oh god knows
http://www.herbalhighs.com/product.cfm?id=2

theres an ingredients list on the middle right of the page...

and i cant see ephedrine...

Is this legal or not? Worth the money?

[Martin_Bashir]

i only take it because my brain wont tolerate pills anymore...

it aint great, feels like you're just about to come up on a pill, but never lets you get any further. can be frustrating for those looking for a better buzz

[budda]

i only take it because my brain wont tolerate pills anymore...

Pansy.

Anyway, I personally wouldnt take those Bliss Extra tablets the list of ingredients sounds suspect to me, are they the one Martin which are supposed to have TMA-2 in them?

[Martin_Bashir]

apparently they dont...check the ingredients list as i cant see it...

[budda]

Arent these the pills you did a thread on a while back, they have something in them which is supposed to turn into TMA-2 in the body?

I assumed these were the same.

Its rubbish of course because TMA-2 would be slightly more powerful than the effects you describe.

[Skive]

Its rubbish of course because TMA-2 would be slightly more powerful than the effects you describe.

Is that similar to 4MTA?
My mate brought some back from the dam a few years back - they were just an ordinary pill with a splitter (Flatliner). I only necked one but it blew my head off.

My mate took several and didn't stop greening all night long.

[budda]

Not really TMA-2 is sort of related to mescaline, its in the same family of drugs as MDMA and all those, but its quite different.

Its a long lasting and intense hallucinogen and of course, its class A.

[LadyJade]

Where did you get that info from Hemisphere? Just for the record. :)

[Martin_Bashir]

Hemisphere
No I can't say I have then. I know people who are just sick everytime they swallow one because they're body rejects it. I was told that would be the worse thing to happen.

ok i didnt really mean to be so abrasive in my reply. you are right in the fact that the puking thing can happen when you munch a pill, even just after taking it...its happened to me, i double dropped two 007s at the same time (burp!) and about 10 mins later my mind started playing tricks, towit my body replied 'fuck no' and yacked em back up...unfortunately they had already done their magic...and they were strong.....FUCKING VERY STRONG...and i havent touched anything bar weed since...

[Yerascrote]

i've never puked on pills...you're right bashir (if that is your real name :chin: ) if you swallow multiple pills in one go you get the urge to puke them up but you never do and once the buzz hits ya thats you well on your way...sometimes i feel like puking but nothing ever comes up and it's like there's just air inside you...dunno though.

[budda]

Perhaps the urge to puke is your body telling you not to neck loads of pills in one go.

[Yerascrote]

Perhaps the urge to puke is your body telling you not to neck loads of pills in one go.

aye but it's not the body telling you not to take multiple ecstacy pills, just pills...or maybe the body has a mind of its own aswell that has your interests at heart....

[budda]

It normally revolts when I try and put too much booze in so I think it operates seperately from me.

[Fallininlove]

Imthinking about trying X but im kinda scared.. Do you think if i only take half a pill ill be ok and not die :heart: Amy

ok look amy ~ first off X will fuck with anyone and i know alot of people that only took a half a pill and they still ended up in the hospital ~ and durgs in general fuck with u ~ i know u have heard this before ~ but look ive had to live my life without a mother since i was 4 and its really hard to know that she ODed and that kills me every day ~ so i have had to grow up with someone that doesnt give a damn about me so please just think really hard about what might happen and how it will effect other people

[budda]

ok look amy ~ first off X will fuck with anyone and i know alot of people that only took a half a pill and they still ended up in the hospital ~ and durgs in general fuck with u ~ i know u have heard this before ~ but look ive had to live my life without a mother since i was 4 and its really hard to know that she ODed and that kills me every day ~ so i have had to grow up with someone that doesnt give a damn about me so please just think really hard about what might happen and how it will effect other people

I'm sorry about your mother, but that doesnt make all drug use massively dangerous.

Do you really know 'loads' of people who ended up in hospital because of MDMA? For what problems if you dont mind me asking.

MDMA is relatively a safe drug, granted there are potential risks, but many people see those as comparative with other past times such as horse riding or fishing.

Drugs are not one item, each one has its own set of risks, lumping them together helps no-one.

I do my best to warn people on here about the risks of the actions they take, it really is best to educate people rather than attempting to scare or guilt them in to not doing it.

[jake0]

For any of you that didnt know, i have recently had a liver transplant and im sure this was needed due to mdma. Although this wasnt confirmed, im pretty convinced ecstacy was the cause of my liver failure.

The thing is, i rarely drunk alcohol, and it wasnt as if i was necking 10 pills every weekend, i'd have normally about 2/3 pills once a month, on a weekend, so i dont think i was over doing it.

christmas day during the evening me and my mates went round to a mates house and we all dropped, and i had a great evening, woke up the next day with a hell of a comedown, but i thought oh its ok i'll be fine tomorrow, but i wasnt.

during the next week or so i contracted severe jaundice, and i went through the first half of january not eating anything and basically staying in bed all day because i was too ill to do anything.

i then had a hospital appointment on a wednesday, about half way through january, saw a doctor, talked with him, and i had some blood taken, and that was it, i went home.

come friday, the phone rang, and it was my doctor, he said the blood test results were very worrying and that he thought it would be best if i went in and stayed in my local hospital for a few days for observation.

so i went into hospital, ended up staying there for a week, during that week i had numerous blood tests, and things going into me via drips. after a week, they thought it was that serious that i needed to be transfered to a liver specialist hospital in london, as they had noticed liver problems in my local hospital.

so i went up by ambulance to the london hospital, i was seen by many doctors and they thought i was so ill that the only chance i had for survival was for a liver transplant, and because my condition was so serious they put me right at the top of the waiting list.

luckily for me a suitable donor was found in just a day, and i had the operation at the beginning of february, and the operation was a complete success, i did have some problems with breathing after the operation so i had to stay in intensive care for three weeks, but after that i was fine, and here i am now, well on the road for recovery.

I have to take a selection of drugs during the day, every day (including drugs to stop my body rejecting the liver) but its certainly better than being dead.

Anyway, if all of this was due to mdma, it just proves that it is NOT a safe drug as some people say, and i'm certainly probably never going to touch mdma again, this whole experience has made me seriously think that taking mdma is a bit of a gamble.

Scary isnt it.

[Martin_Bashir]

oh man im so sorry to hear that...glad to know you're on your way to recovery...

if you dont mind me asking did you discuss your drug use with your doctor...if so what did he say (if you dont mind publishing it online i can completely understand if you dont want to).

[jake0]

no i didnt, and i know i was a idiot for not talking to the doctors about it, but they never asked. they had asked me wether i had been using needles but that was it.

[budda]

I dont think anyone is seriously suggesting its a 'safe' drug.

It can be very harmful, what people do say however is that it is a relatively safe past time when compared with other things without the social stigma.

For example if I were to say I was a horse rider no-one would say 'oh god you're going to die you shouldnt get involved in that shit' but it is considerably more dangerous.

[Martin_Bashir]

Jake0 if you're still able and if you still feel up to it, maybe you should go back and consult with the doctors. The opportunity to know isnt lost because you arent in pain anymore. This might even help them understand your case a bit more and so aid future treatment.

[budda]

Martin; You box is full mate.

[Martin_Bashir]

not anymore :D