Football to be screened after watershed?

[Kermit]

It should be, at least, according to the Deputy Leader of the Secondary Heads Association.

Story. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4321869.stm)

Apparently the "swearing and defiance of authority" displayed in football matches is a "bad influence" on children, and makes policing schools "more difficult".

I would suggest, however, that instead of blaming petulant chavs like Rooney for this, Mr Ward should perhaps start wondering why it is that his teachers are unable to control pupils, and why it is that pupils don't want to be controlled by his teachers anyway. As always, good teachers are respected and listened to, even in low sets, but bad teacghers are ignored because children do not respect them. Why should someobody be automatically respected simply because they are in "authority"; authority used badly or incompetently should be questioned and queried.

It'd be nice to see teachers' authority get queried using proper words ins tead of grunts of "fuck you bitch!", mind.

[el_bertie]

I always saw a strange corelation in terms of what you're speaking though. I played rugby, and the unquestionable authority of the referee does permeate into the rest of you're life; I found that in my studies if a teacher set me back, saw gave me a bad grade, I took it on the chin and got on with it. But those who played football (the majority) were outspoken about everything, always moaning about anything that didn't go their way. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it; in fact I probably am lol!

But what you said about good and bad teachers is smack on though, I totally agree.

[twisted_trinity]

i do agree, but i've seen saturday morning matches get very very nasty far beyond anything you'll see on TV- a mate of mine ended up with multiple skull fractures, broken arm, both legs broken, spinal fractures, and broken ribs which punctured his lung and i think ruptured his spleen. He's now in a wheelchair and will never be able to walk again. Kids go along to these too, and see this, and there is no way of cutting out violence from kids lives. but i've been to schools where football has been banned and the atmosphere has been some what more peaceful. But to be honest, if teachers listen and respect pupils then teachers will most often get the same back. have people still not worked that out yet?

[Senor Miguel]

yep you're right about rugby, the ref is respected and you don't see half the backchat you do in football, you never see a ref get pushed around.........maybe it's a class thing, i dunno.......or maybe the penalties are more severe, i do get the impression that boys play football, but rugby is a man's game, there's no fannying about, diving etc.......it's a bit of a generalisation i know but that's how it is........

and most footballers are a disgrace if you think about it, they are kids idols and football is massive so the young generation will end up copying them..........but that is only one way in which kids are influenced badly today, can't blame it all on football........crap teachers are partly responsible but there's a mass of crap more to blame for messing up youth, go switch on the telly for example.

[el_bertie]

maybe it's a class thing, i dunno

That was a point I was going to make. Playing rugby at university now, I am obviously mates with lots of people who went to public school and all played rugby all the time; to them my school sounds like an organised riot!

[wheresmyplacebo]

what bollocks, if the professional game had as much authority as the ametur game, any play even bad mouthing or making anu gesture to the ref, let alone a swearing one wuld be banned from playing for at least 3 weeks

its sort out defiance of authority in a shot, obviously itsd put more star players out though


and correlations mean sod all unless you can prove a causal link

fucking nanny state do we want or what

more worrying is the link between denying kids especially boys - to play rough as young kids, whilst providing boundaries obviosly, and the lack of attention they have as they get older, as they cant get it out of their system

[Kermit]

The main reason why professional rugby and cricket players don't tend to mouth off to referees/umpires all the time is because they're not allowed to. Mouth off to a ref in rugby and you get sin-binned, and your team loses. It's simple peer pressure that prevents it. A few choice red cards to people like Keane, Rooney and the rest of the Man Utd lot would soon solve the recent spate of pushing (as would breaking Hugh Dallas' legs, but never mind that).

I don't really believe that there is a correlation between footballers and schools, except that footballers in the professional game are allowed to get away with it. But even then it is a tenuous link.

Not that I would expect the SHA to ever criticise its own members for being incompetent fools, though.

[wheresmyplacebo]

The main reason why professional rugby and cricket players don't tend to mouth off to referees/umpires all the time is because they're not allowed to. Mouth off to a ref in rugby and you get sin-binned, and your team loses. It's simple peer pressure that prevents it. A few choice red cards to people like Keane, Rooney and the rest of the Man Utd lot would soon solve the recent spate of pushing (as would breaking Hugh Dallas' legs, but never mind that).

I don't really believe that there is a correlation between footballers and schools, except that footballers in the professional game are allowed to get away with it. But even then it is a tenuous link.

Not that I would expect the SHA to ever criticise its own members for being incompetent fools, though.


in lower league football, even mild mouthnig off gets you a 3 week ban, same should happen in higher legaues

[BlackArab]

The biggest influence is the parent. If the child is not being shown a good example at home, teachers make that much difference.

I went knowing not only respect for authority but also what would happen if I got into trouble at school. :nervous:

[wheresmyplacebo]

no politician wuld ever get reelected blaming bad parents, they need quick sources of blame

i believe the home office commisioned a study a few years ago, and it said, encouraging parents to be more responsible would solve most problem,and itd be the cheapest, itd just take a generation it said - obviously noone listened to it

[AllAmericanRageJunky]

i do agree, but i've seen saturday morning matches get very very nasty far beyond anything you'll see on TV- a mate of mine ended up with multiple skull fractures, broken arm, both legs broken, spinal fractures, and broken ribs which punctured his lung and i think ruptured his spleen. He's now in a wheelchair and will never be able to walk again. Kids go along to these too, and see this, and there is no way of cutting out violence from kids lives. but i've been to schools where football has been banned and the atmosphere has been some what more peaceful. But to be honest, if teachers listen and respect pupils then teachers will most often get the same back. have people still not worked that out yet?

good christ! :nervous: is that the kind of stuff that happens at your soccer games? makes me glad I stick to safe sports like football (er the U.S. kind with the tight pants and helmets and such).

but honestly why do the ref's put up with that trash?

There might be a slight connection between violence in soccer matches and disrespect by youths. It would be hard to argue that teen’s don’t look to athletes as role models, and similarly it would be hard to argue that parents taking a more active role wouldn't help. So in the end cleaning up sports might help but it won't fully solve the problem.

[Man Of Kent]

Convenient scapegoating again I see.

Football isn't the cause of poor behaviour, it's a symptom of the deep lack of respect in society. Personal responsibility is something we used to think was important... now it seems that you can always blame something/someone else

[Aladdin]

Surely the FA should deal directly with this 'problem', if it is deemed necessary, rather than football being played at silly times.

If next time Rooney opened his big mouth and started shouting abuse like the brainless tosser always does he was shown a straight red, and any subsequent time he and anyone else who mouthed off abuse were sent off right away, they'd soon learn to bite their tongue.

Though I have to say that I don't think it's that much of a problem myself. Football has always have banter. I know this is already done to a small degree but it won't be long before the ambience microphones are switched off altogether and replaced by artificial background noise, lest the naughty fans start shouting 'the referee is a wanker' live on television and poor kids up and down the country hear it. :rolleyes: :mad:

[AllAmericanRageJunky]

Convenient scapegoating again I see.

Football isn't the cause of poor behaviour, it's a symptom...

well put dude

[pedr]

What really gets me about all this debate is that the laws of football say that using foul and abusive language is an automatic sending off offence. The solution to the problem is for every referee, assistant referee and fourth official who hears foul or abusive language to ensure that the player is sent off. You wouldn't need more than one game abandoned because one team has fewer than seven players for everyone to get the message!

[ShyBoy]

It'd be nice to see teachers' authority get queried using proper words ins tead of grunts of "fuck you bitch!", mind.

I've questioned teachers before very politely but she was very rude to me, saying that it was none of my business etc etc. The problem is that with authority they gain a sense of arrogance, that they can't be questioned. But you know, it all depends really, we can't have every teacher in the country having their every decision questioned by every student, or nothing would get done. They have to have a degree of 'what i say goes even if its stupid and you dont agree with it' to them.

[Jazza]

Just what I was about to say. There are some right downt to earth teachers in my school and there are some bastards. I think there should be a certain degree of mutual respect but at the end of the day it's the pupil's attitude and the teacher's attitude that makes all the difference. This "pass the buck" rubbish is just that, rubbish. Once you reach a certain age you make your own choices and you could maybe be influenced to wear an earring or a certain hairstyle but you aren't influenced to go as far as to tell a teacher to fuck off just because you saw the same thing on a football match.