Just when it was safe to use the net

[Dr Pirate]

Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4311795.stm)

tbh, did any terroist actions come of these websites? Until they can prove something would happen they are just gonna keep prosocuting people left right and centre.

[ShyBoy]

Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4311795.stm)

tbh, did any terroist actions come of these websites? Until they can prove something would happen they are just gonna keep prosocuting people left right and centre.

If I wrote on this very website 'support the terrorists' etc etc, wouldn't be surprised if the mods got in very serious trouble, eve though it had f*** all to do with them... Just saying, like.

[MrG]

hmm well lets hope thesite.org doesnt habour terrorists

[Kentish]

hmm well lets hope thesite.org doesnt habour terrorists
We had Diesel :eek:

It seems that the guy in the article wasn't just writing about terrorism, he was raising money for terrorists as well. Does it matter if the terrorists didn't achieve their aims?

[Dr Pirate]

I suppose, but anything on the web could be taken the wrong way. Some nutcase could come on here, read something one of us said and go blow himself up. The police would search his recent internet files and they would see 'The site.org boards' and this place would come into dispute. (not saying it will).

[MrG]

well there was my plan to invade the vatican

[Dr Pirate]

no no, that cant be made common knowlegde. One wrong click by a eager anti-terror officer using google and this place is gone!

[Kentish]

no no, that cant be made common knowlegde. One wrong click by a eager anti-terror officer using google and this place is gone!
Bless your naivity. MrG's already dead. :eek:

[Toadborg]

no no, that cant be made common knowlegde. One wrong click by a eager anti-terror officer using google and this place is gone!

So if I went through every single chatroom on the internet and put

'Will you give me money to fund my plan to blow up Parli*ment'

Then every single chatroom/boards would be put out?

I think not perhaps...........

[MrG]

Bless your naivity. MrG's already dead. :eek:

well do you see me online

im underground at the moment



planning a terror raid on thesite.org offices, dressed as clowns, surely some peole will have a clown phobia and will get terrified

[Teh_Gerbil]

*Phew!*

Thank god im a freedom fighter, and not a nasty terrorist! That was a close ones!

Meh, I think its right to shut down these sights if they are activley encouraging people. There's a difference between the following tow I hope you all understand:

"I think that the terrorists attacking Israel for occuping the Gaza strip are justified; its not Israels land, after all, they occupied it against international law."

"Please could you donate money to me, so I may fund the terrorists who shall attack Israel?"

I personally agree with number 1, but would never consider doing 2. 1 is a freedom of speach and opinion, 2 is directly contributing the deaths of civilians.

That said, its not like Israel has shot civilians with helicopters, is it?

[morrocan roll]

We had Diesel :eek:

?and since his arrest there have been men in raincoats ...trilbys ...dark glasses ...following me everywhere.
the other day i decided it would be wise to wear an i love bush badge whenever i went out but then ...the fucking drug squad started tailing me as well!
i swear catholic priests are on my tail as well ...i'm doomed i tell ya.

[BlackArab]

and since his arrest there have been men in raincoats ...trilbys ...dark glasses ...following me everywhere.
the other day i decided it would be wise to wear an i love bush badge whenever i went out but then ...the fucking drug squad started tailing me as well!
i swear catholic priests are on my tail as well ...i'm doomed i tell ya.

:lol: :thumb: <a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxuk156YYUS' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/352v.gif' alt='Hippie' border=0></a>

[IsoberImswear]

and since his arrest there have been men in raincoats ...trilbys ...dark glasses ...following me everywhere.
the other day i decided it would be wise to wear an i love bush badge whenever i went out but then ...the fucking drug squad started tailing me as well!
i swear catholic priests are on my tail as well ...i'm doomed i tell ya.

hmmm... im not sure which is the worst- good luck with that

[morrocan roll]

hmmm... im not sure which is the worst- good luck with that
the priests will be the easiest ...just throw a young boy at them.

[Kentish]

the priests will be the easiest ...just throw a young boy at them.
:rolleyes: :no:

[Dr Pirate]

the priests will be the easiest ...just throw a young boy at them.
How contravertial of you rolly :p

[britishrepublican]

Western Nations of the world unite!

Gain precision bombs, nuclear weapons. I call on all Western nations to bomb Arabia! Bomb them to submission! Use every means possible to install puppet governments friendly to the Great West! So help us GOD!

You reckon I'll be extradited to Iran? Don't think so :yeees:

[budda]

"Under the act there is no requirement for the US authorities to present a prima facie case, although UK authorities must do so in seeking extraditions from the US"

Sorry, am I the only one who is frightened by this?

They have to present no evidence just say 'I want that one, the one with a turban' and thats it.

[Clandestine]

Looks like the Blair govt is indeed following the policy of appeasement toward the growing threat to freedom, cept its not appeasement of the inflated, nebulous "terrorist" menace, but of good old fashioned (and transparently recognisable) Fascism brought to you in star spangled giftwrap.

I truly dont know which disturbs me more, my own government hijacked by wanton powermongering criminals who are repeating point by point the very evils our grandfathers fought and died in WWII to oppose and end, or the increasing turn toward sycophantry by even those European leaders who previously spoke out against Washington's unilateralist warmongering.

It appears that Putin is only European leader with any balls left to challenge neo-con aspirations.

[britishrepublican]

I think you're not alone in this. However, we are an educated and interested minority. The large bulk of the British population neither knows nor cares about our extradition contract with the USA. The media is key to getting out injustice. It often does so, especially Channel 4. But, there are only so many hours in a day and it cannot get through all topics. Plus it likes showing programmes like Big Brother instead. Ironic really that the nation would rather watch someone making tea than discussing rights abuses by their own government, but it's just the way the nation is. The only hope is to get a government that has time to tackle all these issues. I think the development of this will have to be the initial rise of the Liberal Democrats, and I don't know how far that'll be down the line.

[budda]

That view assumes that the Lib Dems will continue to rise which isnt certain, and of course it assumes that the public will ever get any better, which they wont.

[britishrepublican]

Sorry my grammar was ambiguous (we really need a subjunctive). I mean to be hypothetical, that things would only improve if a government, the Liberal Democrats the most likely candidates, were to gain power. But this could be a while away. And the public, in my personal opinion, is getting wiser. Take the war demonstrations.

[Dear Wendy]

It appears that Putin is only European leader with any balls left to challenge neo-con aspirations.

Erm, Yukos, erm...
Not exactly a role model :)

[budda]

And the public, in my personal opinion, is getting wiser. Take the war demonstrations.

And the poll results which suggest the public are happy to loose some rights because of the increased risk of 'terror'?

[britishrepublican]

I didn't say they were perfect.

[Clandestine]

Jacq, first off I dont hold any world leader to be a role model. My comment was reference only to the political cowardice of EU leaders who should recognise most clearly the identifying signs of rising fascist powermongering and militancy, however they are packaged and sold by Washington and its PR-oriented think tanks, but yet have all but acquiesced once again even when they could and should be isolating and condemning it.

Putin is far from any saint for sure, but he is not the one perpetrating global hegemonic war of aggression and paving the way for yet further targets for internal overthrow or outright invasion. The neo-cons driving the Bush admin agenda are.

As for Yukos, one could just as easily argue that it was rightly taken to task for the very sort of flagrant corruption which our western oil/gas giants are practicing with impunity under the present US administration (and for whose further global domination and control the US war machine is being used against sovereign nations).

I shed no tears for high and mighty CEOs brought to account and indeed argue that most MNCs should be similarly investigated and charged by their home countries.

[budda]

I shed no tears for high and mighty CEOs brought to account and indeed argue that most MNCs should be similarly investigated and charged by their home countries.

Even if the charges are dodgy?

[Toadborg]

Even if the charges are dodgy?

Of course not.

BEing a rich CEO makes you inherently evil, didn't you know?

[budda]

Being a rich CEO makes you inherently evil, didn't you know?

Of course, because you get there by plundering the worlds resources and exploiting the workers.

[Toadborg]

And by being part of the neocon conspiracy to rule the world, of course.........

[Dear Wendy]

Jacq, first off I dont hold any world leader to be a role model. My comment was reference only to the political cowardice of EU leaders who should recognise most clearly the identifying signs of rising fascist powermongering and militancy, however they are packaged and sold by Washington and its PR-oriented think tanks, but yet have all but acquiesced once again even when they could and should be isolating and condemning it.

Putin is far from any saint for sure, but he is not the one perpetrating global hegemonic war of aggression and paving the way for yet further targets for internal overthrow or outright invasion. The neo-cons driving the Bush admin agenda are.

As for Yukos, one could just as easily argue that it was rightly taken to task for the very sort of flagrant corruption which our western oil/gas giants are practicing with impunity under the present US administration (and for whose further global domination and control the US war machine is being used against sovereign nations).

I shed no tears for high and mighty CEOs brought to account and indeed argue that most MNCs should be similarly investigated and charged by their home countries.

The EU doesn't really have a choice if they want a say in world affairs. I mean, the US has proven that they go ahead and do whatever pleases them regardless of what anyone else says.
The US sets the agenda, and the relationship with the EU, based on how much the EU pleases them and their wishes.

Regarding Yukos - the case is totally absurd. Fraud and all, the manner the case has been handled is totally unacceptable.

[Clandestine]

bb and toadborg, youre handy with the dismissive quips. Perhaps when either or both of you bother reading the book i suggested in my earlier post you might actually wake to the reality that 1. geo-political agendas conceived behind closed doors and furthered through military aggression are both transparently "conspiratorial" in nature (by definition) and 2. intended toward global domination.

More's the pity for you if you prefer to just sit cozily in your arm chairs and scoff at what is clearly a case of history repeating itself.

Jacq, how interesting that you should shed tears over Yukos. Could it be because its former CEO is a well known hardline Zionist?

As for World Affairs, I would say you have a rather defeatist view of world affairs and international law (although not surprising since Israel has ignored it since its inception) if you think that a united Europe and other major world players could not force the US into an isolated corner and strip it of its self assumed arrogance in "setting the agenda" (as it did only too late before with Nazi Germany) if EU leaders would show some spine and speak with one voice.

Until that happens you can be sure that the damage already done will pale by comparison to the further designs of this ideology-crazed PNAC cabal as their "war which will not end in our lifetimes" continues to be played out.

The topic of this thread is but one further indication of the direction in which policies of appeasement toward those who hold themselves unaccountable to international norms and the protection of civil liberties are headed.

Those who choose to scoff now have obviously grown too smug and comfortable with PR to see the writing on the wall.

[Dear Wendy]

Jacq, how interesting that you should shed tears over Yukos. Could it be because its former CEO is a well known hardline Zionist?

As for World Affairs, I would say you have a rather defeatist view of world affairs and international law (although not surprising since Israel has ignored it since its inception) if you think that a united Europe and other major world players could not force the US into an isolated corner and strip it of its self assumed arrogance in "setting the agenda" (as it did only too late before with Nazi Germany) if EU leaders would show some spine and speak with one voice.



Honestly didn't know he was a Zionist. What do you know... :)
Though reversing the question, could the reason you support such a nasty process against him be because he is a well known hardline Zionist?

Regarding the EU and US.
The EU is split. You can't deny it. And I doubt it'll be a proper unity within the next 15-20 years.
Yes, meassures can be taken to prove the relationships within the EU but it takes a lot to unite such vast differences. Until the EU has, represents one Europe, then they can't produce a threat to the US.
And until then the US decide the sound of music. They can get criticism no doubt, but they're free to do what they want.

[Aladdin]

Depends what we're talking about. If we're talking about waging illegal wars against third countries, yes, they US will do as it pleases since it has the strongest military.

If we're talking about trade, that's another story. The EU has already proved that it has the capability to control and even get the upper hand over the US, if the Americans start misbehaving. The steel import tariffs being a recent example.

[Dear Wendy]

Depends what we're talking about. If we're talking about waging illegal wars against third countries, yes, they US will do as it pleases since it has the strongest military.

If we're talking about trade, that's another story. The EU has already proved that it has the capability to control and even get the upper hand over the US, if the Americans start misbehaving. The steel import tariffs being a recent example.

True.

Though, speaking as the devils advocate, one could argue that at the end of the day the hard power is what makes the difference...

[Teh_Gerbil]

Yukos? So? A dodgey oil company, lets not go near the dodgey stuff in the rest of the western world.

Russia is the only country except the Chinese who could try to reign in Bush and his war on everything. Although Castro takes no bollocks from anyone. He's already called Bush a facist. I would LMAO if they defeated the Yanks again.

And here are some fun keywords that set of FBI Scanners, so DON'T use them in emails, its for your own saftey:

Osama
Bomb
President
White House
Jihad

[morrocan roll]

And here are some fun keywords that set of FBI Scanners, so DON'T use them in emails, its for your own saftey:

Osama
Bomb
President
White House
Jihadi hope you don't end up sharing a cell with diesel ...he doesn't look like the kind of guy who knows about personal hygiene.

[Teh_Gerbil]

Meep. I shall be carefull to end up in solitary alot if I do!
How does one get in solitary? Just wondering...

The net was never safe to use anway, just looking at the title alone.

[morrocan roll]

How does one get in solitary?

.
refuse to obey an order. punch someone ...anyone.
refuse labour. get caught with drugs etc etc etc.

[budda]

Yukos? So? A dodgey oil company, lets not go near the dodgey stuff in the rest of the western world.

Its a symptom of Russia slipping back to a totalitarian state though, which wasnt an altogether great thing last time.

[morrocan roll]

Its a symptom of Russia slipping back to a totalitarian state though, which wasnt an altogether great thing last time.
taking their cue from modern democracy?

[budda]

taking their cue from modern democracy?

Sort of, but with more ex-KGB involved.

[Jim V]

Anyone see the BBC documentary a few months back about the number of Russian journalists that have been murdered in the last few years for trying to uncover corruption? Scary stuff

[budda]

Anyone see the BBC documentary a few months back about the number of Russian journalists that have been murdered in the last few years for trying to uncover corruption? Scary stuff

I saw a curious little show on BBC4 a while back about a political cartoonist which was interesting, he talked about friends who've been warned off or disapeared.

[Toadborg]

bb and toadborg, youre handy with the dismissive quips. Perhaps when either or both of you bother reading the book i suggested in my earlier post you might actually wake to the reality that 1. geo-political agendas conceived behind closed doors and furthered through military aggression are both transparently "conspiratorial" in nature (by definition) and 2. intended toward global domination.

.

Our comments were regarding the Yukos issue, not all the other stuff..........

[budda]

Our comments were regarding the Yukos issue, not all the other stuff..........

Indeed, I wasnt really suggesting it is a good thing that governments dont stand up to the US. But just because Russia does, doesnt make it a good place or government.

[Toadborg]

In a 100 years the Chinese will be the most powerful nation on earth by a long shot anyhow.

I would worry about that more........

[budda]

In a 100 years the Chinese will be the most powerful nation on earth by a long shot anyhow.

I would worry about that more........

If it takes that long.

[Toadborg]

yes in fact it could be a lot sooner.

My back of the envelope calculations suggest at current growth (assuming stable population ratio) China will be as rich as the US in 40 years.

Considering they have 4* the population they will be 4 times as powerful.

If the US is a hyperpower now China will be a super-hyper power within our lifetimes......

[Clandestine]

What I suggest you should worry about is the flagrant example of abuse of power, shortsighted ideologically-inspired militancy, denial of accountability to international norms of behaviour (and to the precepts of international law) upon which the present day hyperpower and its lackies presume to preach against others in the most hypocritical and criminal fashion possible.

These examples are what will make the next inevitable power so worrisome and threatening to the west when Washington's day in the sun has ended. If we who are supposed to be advocating "the rule of law" (indeed claiming the right to invade sovereign countries to enforce that notion regardless of any legitimate proof of threat) demonstrate that we are not equally answerable to those precepts because we have the "might" to do as we please, then we can expect no less than to be on the receiving end of the same mentality from the next power.

Then of course youll hear all the "might makes right" apologists screaming like a bunch of nancies over the disregard for our nations' sovereignties, but sadly without any sympathy or recourse to multilateral arbitration or justice.

Either we start putting our own leaders in the docket for war crimes, crimes against humanity and a host of other patently obvious crimes of militant profiteering (as a signal to any future empire wannabes that the age of empires is finished and will no longer be tolerated by the public), or simply wait to get back what we allow our leaders to dish out to others.

[Toadborg]

Oh I agree, don't worry........

[budda]

Me too, I just thought it sounded like you were putting Putin forward as a good example, which he's not.

[Clandestine]

I never said good example. I merely respect the man for at least having the balls to stand up to the shrub and his neocon henchmen and act contrary to their demands and apirations for complete dominance. Would that the EU would speak with one voice in similar fashion and give Washington a much needed spanking for its unilateralist and impetuous behaviour.