Americans are not all stuipid, believe it or not.

[memelewis]

I feel compelled to let everyone know that not all Americans are stupid, fat, uneducated, ignorant, ethno-centric assholes! Just most of us! I know we all have greater things worry about anyhow, but I just wanted to make sure that people out there know that rational, loving and peaceful Amercians do exist.

[memelewis]

So glad I misspelled STUPID as I'm defending how "smart" I am. Sorry. Oops.

[fairy drumstick]

I feel compelled to let everyone know that not all Americans are stupid, fat, uneducated, ignorant, ethno-centric assholes! Just most of us! I know we all have greater things worry about anyhow, but I just wanted to make sure that people out there know that rational, loving and peaceful Amercians do exist.

yeh i think americans are mad.... we hav this uni they come to study at (on the godl coast) and every mornign they catch the bus and all my frends and i cant stop staring at them i dont no y cos they r just gorgeous....than they get off and were like man i wish i was them lol

[fairy drumstick]

and they are all at uni too so obviously shows intellegence

[Fiend_85]

Being at uni is not a demonstration of intelligence if the entry standards are set low.

[ginner]

Just most of them? :p

[fairy drumstick]

well obviously if you go to uni u hav some kind of goal in life which is better than playing on the computer all day long and night wen ur 20

[groovechampion]

I dont even think most of them are stupid. I reckon just as many Europeans are thick.

[Mad Mac]

I feel compelled to let everyone know that not all Americans are stupid, fat, uneducated, ignorant, ethno-centric assholes! Just most of us! I know we all have greater things worry about anyhow, but I just wanted to make sure that people out there know that rational, loving and peaceful Amercians do exist.
of corse we know normal americans exist.....i just wish one would run the country! :) oh,and british people arnt all perfect anyway!

[Man Of Kent]

I feel compelled to let everyone know that not all Americans are stupid, fat, uneducated, ignorant, ethno-centric assholes! Just most of us!

Sadly that majority proved it when they voted...

Are you planning to hang around?

[ShyBoy]

Being at uni is not a demonstration of intelligence if the entry standards are set low.

But intelligence isn't necissarily proportional to acheivement. People work their ass off, can still be quite dim, but get As.

Anyway, as for Americans, I know Americans can be great. Just the stereotypical texan attitude is what people don't like - think they're so much better than others because they're rich, powerful, and can buy anything they want etc. But a humble american isn't rare at all. Only thing to say about America in general is some of your social economics don't seem to make sense. Letting someone fall through the net means they cant go on to have a productive life to society.

Bush has done no favours for how people perceive Americans from across the world though. Silly president.

[Isenheart8]

Memelewis,
Most people on this forum are anti-war leftys, alot of them are also muslim, thats why you see alot of anti-american sentiment on this forum, take what they say with a pinch of salt, this dosnt reflect the overall british populations opinion of americans,
I would rather we had american immigrants here than the ones we are getting now anyday.

[Aladdin]

Oh look a new troll :wave:

[Isenheart8]

Why am i a troll because i dont share you left wing views?

[freethepeeps]

Why am i a troll because i dont share you left wing views?

Perhaps you could start by telling us which of us are muslim

Most people on this forum are anti-war leftys, alot of them are also muslim

A lot of us should mean a lengthy list, no?

If you can't provide one, we might be entitled to think that you're making outrageous statements for effect ...... next, we'll start imaging that you come from Grimsby.....


:wave:

[Aladdin]

No, rather because of the following hilarious comments:

Memelewis,
Most people on this forum are anti-war leftys, Wrong.

alot of them are also muslim, Double wrong


thats why you see alot of anti-american sentiment on this forum, Triple wrong.


And as for this comment
I would rather we had american immigrants here than the ones we are getting now anyday. it just goes to confirms the suspicions of anyone who's read your post must have been forming about you.


But do carry on... see if you reach a century.

[Man Of Kent]

alot of them are also muslim

Which means what, exactly?

Are you insinuating that anti-US Govt approaches are just a Muslim thing.

Worth noting that I am only aware of two muslims on these boards... perhaps you, as a newine, know more than I...?

thats why you see alot of anti-american sentiment on this forum

Nothing to do with the totalitarian approach of their Govt then.

Still, as you seem to think I am a lefty, and Peeps thinks I am right wing, I must be getting somewhere...

this dosnt reflect the overall british populations opinion of americans

Maybe not in your racist circles, but in the areas I can be found I have to say I have never seen sentiment so anti-US.

I would rather we had american immigrants here than the ones we are getting now anyday.

Agreed, let's have more, they certainly have a regime which is dangerous so asylum shouldn't be an issue.

[The Matadore]

There is certainly a lot of anti-americanism on this board.

[freethepeeps]

There is certainly a lot of anti-americanism on this board.

Yup, theres quite a lot of it in the real world as well.

The US Governement might EVEN be the cause of it......

[Man Of Kent]

There is certainly a lot of anti-americanism on this board.

You ever wonder why?

[The Matadore]

Certainly, and it all comes back to the irrational and illogical hatred the European left holds for the United States.

[Aladdin]

There is certainly a lot of anti-americanism on this board.
How many instances of anti-Americanism can you cite, Matadore?

There have been 126,452 posts in this forum to date.

Let's see how many you can find that are anti-American.

My guess is a whole number between 1 and -1.

And for the record, since you seem to ignore the obvious let me remind you that criticism however fierce of the US government does not constitute anti-Americanism.

So please do indulge us.

[freethepeeps]

Certainly, and it all comes back to the irrational and illogical hatred the European left holds for the United States.

Nothing to do with the illogical and irrational hatred of the neo-cons towards muslims then?

And, of course nothing to do with the bullying arrogance of a country that trashes the UN, declares it ineffective, and then proceeds to take control of oil based resources in Afghanistan and Iraq, before setting its sites on Syria and Iran?

I think, were you suddenly to become capable of rational, logical thought you'd discover that there is a rational logical basis for the sentiment......

:)

[Man Of Kent]

Certainly, and it all comes back to the irrational and illogical hatred the European left holds for the United States.

And nothing to do with the current regime and their actions?

[groovechampion]

How many instances of anti-Americanism can you cite, Matadore?

There have been 126,452 posts in this forum to date.

Let's see how many you can find that are anti-American.

My guess is a whole number between 1 and -1.

And for the record, since you seem to ignore the obvious let me remind you that criticism however fierce of the US government does not constitute anti-Americanism.

So please do indulge us.

Hmm... :chin: There have been a few anti-american posts to be fair.

[freethepeeps]

Hmm... :chin: There have been a few anti-american posts to be fair.

Can you cite them?

:confused:

[Yerascrote]

I dont even think most of them are stupid. I reckon just as many Europeans are thick.

i don't think it has anything to do with being smart, it's just that americans are more sucseptable to listen and believe everything they hear, if george bush says the country is under threat, then naturally the country is under threat, the facts, what are they :confused: europeans are generally more likely to think for themselves.

[Yerascrote]

Memelewis,
Most people on this forum are anti-war leftys, alot of them are also muslim, thats why you see alot of anti-american sentiment on this forum, take what they say with a pinch of salt, this dosnt reflect the overall british populations opinion of americans,
I would rather we had american immigrants here than the ones we are getting now anyday.

what has being muslim got to do with anything? another matadore, but you won't last long, nice meeting you....now fuck off. :wave:

[Isenheart8]

Oh im a racist for not hating bush?? Or am i a racist for preferring american immigrants to thrid world immigrants, your attemp to play the race card is pathetic, Yes i dont like islam in britain, but ium afriad thats not racism, so go cry about something else.

[Clandestine]

Hmm, im every bit a white anglo saxon and an American citizen to boot and I venture I'm more critical of my own government and its policies than anyone on these boards.

There goes Isenheart's duly indoctrinated claptrap up in smoke.

[Isenheart8]

Shut your face tourlough, stop blaming your life problems on bush, there are worse regimes out there and far worse wars, why dont you go and have a pop at them, you little scum bag.

[freethepeeps]

Oh im a racist for not hating bush?? Or am i a racist for preferring american immigrants to thrid world immigrants, your attemp to play the race card is pathetic, Yes i dont like islam in britain, but ium afriad thats not racism, so go cry about something else.

So, you are actually a troll?

Or are you going to back up your claim that there are lots of muslims on these boards?

:confused:

[groovechampion]

i don't think it has anything to do with being smart, it's just that americans are more sucseptable to listen and believe everything they hear, if george bush says the country is under threat, then naturally the country is under threat, the facts, what are they :confused: europeans are generally more likely to think for themselves.

Balls. Generalising like that is just stupid.

[Yerascrote]

Shut your face tourlough, stop blaming your life problems on bush, there are worse regimes out there and far worse wars, why dont you go and have a pop at them, you little scum bag.

where did i say "all my problems in life are directly related to bush" in fact, i couldn't give a toss about the monkey....but i know you do...aw thats soooo cute.

[Clandestine]

Whats far worse Isenheart, regimes which make no pretense of their autocratic dispositions but which contain their abuses to their own soil or a government which spouts "the rule of law" and then proceeds to perpetrate the very sort of expansionistic war of aggression and domination for which we older folk were raised to condemn the Soviet Union during the cold war?

Do tell us which is worse, those who employ the rhetoric of "justice" and go on to disregard their own accountability to the norms of transnational conduct set forth in the Hague Convention, Vienna Convention, Geneva Convention and UN Charter (to name a few), or the pissant countries whom Western powers have repeatedly manipulated, invaded and tried to use for their own gluttonous and avaricious profit?

Seems you see current events in a vacuum and not as they are in the context of ongoing aspirations of empire by Washington over the past century.

Those of us who have been around long enough have heard the same rhetoric and seen the same roundrobins of militant aggression by those who claim to care so much for human rights decade after decade.

I submit to you that our hands are soaked in more blood and injustice, both through our direct actions as well as through those of our installed proxies, than all the supposed tyrants currently being targetted by Washington and its slavish opportunistic lapdogs.

[Man Of Kent]

You know, I thought you'd given up on this place, Clan.

[Isenheart8]

I dont know what a troll is, but im getting the feeling is someone who dosnt agree with the views shared by most people on the forum, so yeah i guess im a troll,
All i am saying is there is worse than bush, some of the wars in africa are terrible bloodbaths, people only like making a fuss about bush because america is big wealthy successfull country, so people love to hate them.
I dont agree with the wars, simply because british soldiers have been killed uneccessary,
but most americans are moral good people wtihout an evil bone in their body,
Its easy for us to sit here and critisize them, but what you are forgetting is what happened to the americans in 911, if a bomb went off in london and killed 2k+ of our people, alot of people might start to think a bit different about the situation.

[Man Of Kent]

if a bomb went off in london and killed 2k+ of our people, alot of people might start to think a bit different about the situation.

So you've never heard of the IRA then?

[Yerascrote]

I dont know what a troll is, but im getting the feeling is someone who dosnt agree with the views shared by most people on the forum, so yeah i guess im a troll,
All i am saying is there is worse than bush, some of the wars in africa are terrible bloodbaths, people only like making a fuss about bush because america is big wealthy successfull country, so people love to hate them.
I dont agree with the wars, simply because british soldiers have been killed uneccessary,
but most americans are moral good people wtihout an evil bone in their body,
Its easy for us to sit here and critisize them, but what you are forgetting is what happened to the americans in 911, if a bomb went off in london and killed 2k+ of our people, alot of people might start to think a bit different about the situation.

a troll is someone who comes in usually with prejudices, splurts them out just to annoy people, you fit that description well

bush is supposed ot be the upholder of democracy, i find it very annoying that while holding this title he thinks he has the power to invade whoever he wants

what about the american, dutch, iraqi soldiers, the iraqi civilians, do they not count or is it only british soldiers that count

aye they are good people, they just listen to bush too much which sorta makes them fools.

more people die each day from hunger than did in 9/11, yes it was bad but the reaction from it was wrong and over-blown, i have been a victim from terrorism btw.

london has been bombed several times, the UK government actually had the balls to talk to the terrorists that bombed the place, result=peace, how many IRA bombs go off in london per year, eh let me see, 1, 2, 3....ZERO. why doesn't bush talk to the "terrorists" instead of blowing the bits out of countries.

[Clandestine]

You want to talk bloodbaths Isenheart, why not go and examine the real body count we wracked up under our routine claim of "collateral damage" in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Or go back a few decades and examine the half million cambodians we annihilated through illegal carpet bombing during Vietnam.

That doesnt even begin to touch upon the countless proxy wars we pushed our client dictators, like Saddam, to pursue purely to serve our interests (only to label the deaths from that conflict decades later as "genocide" and use them as a pretext for yet further massacre and invasion).

Just because your preferred news sources refuse to report the full historic context of our actions (and their repercussions) and employ the classic tactic of inflating the atrocities of others doesnt mean that what you suppose are "worse wars" are in point of fact even close to the atrocities our own governments have been committing around the globe for decades.

Dont be fooled cause our governments can dress up their corruption and criminality in pretty slogans and rhetoric. Evil is measured in ruined lives and that is precisely what we have built our Western economies upon.

[Yerascrote]

this period in history will be looked back on as one of notoriety and barbarity, i thought we were supossed to be the most civilised society ever on earth's history.

[Clandestine]

History just repeates itself Turlough, you should know that. Terms like "civilised" and "democracy" et al merely refer to the pacification of our western populations even to the point of no longer having the collective will to exercise true civic duty and regularly scrutinise the actions of our own governments.

Just more signs of the same cycle that saw the rise and ultimately the fall of every empire in the history of man.

Godspeed that day!

[Yerascrote]

History just repeates itself Turlough, you should know that. Terms like "civilised" and "democracy" et al merely refer to the pacification of our western populations even to the point of no longer having the collective will to exercise true civic duty and regularly scrutinise the actions of our own governments.

Just more signs of the same cycle that saw the rise and ultimately the fall of every empire in the history of man.

Godspeed that day!

i supposse you're right, i just think that by now humans in general should learn the lessons but that'll never happen, it's in our nature to do these things, fuck it.

[Makoto]

Ok. And not all British people have bad teeth, drink tea and talk like Tony Blair or Daffney from Frasier.

[Man Of Kent]

Ok. And not all British people ... talk like ... Daffney from Frasier.

Do any?

[Mad Mac]

Memelewis,
Most people on this forum are anti-war leftys, alot of them are also muslim, thats why you see alot of anti-american sentiment on this forum, take what they say with a pinch of salt, this dosnt reflect the overall british populations opinion of americans,
I would rather we had american immigrants here than the ones we are getting now anyday.
fuckin hell! you sure know how to start a war yourself! you cannot be seriously thinking this?? i dont hate americans,i hate bush for his attitude towards other countries,and ignorance towards the people that live in them.
the only interest he has is for oil! it has nothing to do with 911! we have lived with terrorism for years and allways will while we have stupid governments.

[The Matadore]

And nothing to do with the current regime and their actions?

No, I think not.

Anti-Americanism on the European left has been around for decades. In part due to jealousy, arrogance, cultural snobbery, misinformation, assumption and atheism (I kid you not - the Euro left really is that arrogant).

[Clandestine]

You know, I thought you'd given up on this place, Clan

I havent given up on the place MoK, I just dont have the free time at the moment to post more.

[Yerascrote]

Anti-Americanism on the European left has been around for decades. In part due to jealousy, arrogance, cultural snobbery, misinformation, assumption and atheism (I kid you not - the Euro left really is that arrogant).

sorry i just can't take you seriously anymore, why should we be jealous of american culture, lets look at american culture, you're either A) a skater boy with baggy jeans who likes to say stuff like "dude" and "radical" :rolleyes: or B) a red neck who likes to shag your sister, oh yes so enviable, well it's not that clear cut but you can see my point. cultural snobbery, us europeans have far more culture than the americans, you talk about immigrants being shipped off, i think you should be shipped off to america cos you clearly aren't happy being English. atheism, what the fuck has that got to do with anything? you live in a delusional world.

[freethepeeps]

No, I think not.

Anti-Americanism on the European left has been around for decades. In part due to jealousy, arrogance, cultural snobbery, misinformation, assumption and atheism (I kid you not - the Euro left really is that arrogant).

And, nothing to do with the regime and their actions?


:confused:

[Blagsta]

No, I think not.

Anti-Americanism on the European left has been around for decades. In part due to jealousy, arrogance, cultural snobbery, misinformation, assumption and atheism (I kid you not - the Euro left really is that arrogant).

Are you going to actually state why you believe this to be the case, or just make a moronic blanket statement as per usual?

[Blagsta]

Actually I love a lot of American culture. Blues, jazz, hip hop, house, techno, rock, punk etc. All with roots in the US. I love American films, Scorsese is an excellent director for instance. Its a fascinating place.

[Man Of Kent]

Anti-Americanism on the European left has been around for decades. In part due to jealousy, arrogance, cultural snobbery, misinformation, assumption and atheism (I kid you not - the Euro left really is that arrogant).

And in the Centre? On the right?

Or is it just the left who hate the US... even though most of the comments on this board relate to the regime...

[The Matadore]

lets look at american culture, you're either A) a skater boy with baggy jeans who likes to say stuff like "dude" and "radical" or B) a red neck who likes to shag your sister,

This kind of drivel is exactly what I mean. You havent got a clue.

And in the Centre? On the right?

Less so, but recently it has in fact become 'trendy' to dislike the USA without in fact analyzing its actions. Knee-jerk anti-Americanism is alive and well, not only on this board, but in Europe as a whole.

[Blagsta]

Less so, but recently it has in fact become 'trendy' to dislike the USA without in fact analyzing its actions. Knee-jerk anti-Americanism is alive and well, not only on this board, but in Europe as a whole.

Examples?

[Isenheart8]

No, I think not.

Anti-Americanism on the European left has been around for decades. In part due to jealousy, arrogance, cultural snobbery, misinformation, assumption and atheism (I kid you not - the Euro left really is that arrogant).

Matadore i totally agree with you, i mean why does the left have a go at americans when there are worse regimes with worse war crimes? Its because they love to hate america for all the reasons you said.

[morrocan roll]

So glad I misspelled STUPID as I'm defending how "smart" I am. Sorry. Oops.
i got no further than reading this post ...welcome to one of our american brothers ...cousins ...whatever.
i think america is a fantastic country with a fantstic amount of freedom and inovation ...do yourselves a favour though and the rest of the world ...KILL THE BUSH DYNASTY STONE DEAD!

[Blagsta]

Matadore i totally agree with you, i mean why does the left have a go at americans when there are worse regimes with worse war crimes? Its because they love to hate america for all the reasons you said.

Or is it to do with the US being the most powerful country? Hmmmm...

[Clandestine]

LOL. Mat you are truly the poster boy for sanitised media indoctrination.

Anyone with an ounce of critical reasoning ability criticises Washington for its wanton and repeated lies, pursuit of war of aggression and hypocritical disregard for the same "rule of law" it claims to champion.

Obviously you lack the analytical capacity to comprehend that fact.

[Isenheart8]

Yes, that too.

[BlackArab]

You should see some of the anti-British stuff on American websites and not just anti-left either... :yes:

[Isenheart8]

You should see some of the anti-British stuff on American websites and not just anti-left either... :yes:

Give me an example of an anti british american website.

[morrocan roll]

Give me an example of an anti british american website.
if he does ...will you curl up and die?

[BlackArab]

Give me an example of an anti british american website.

why don't you check out noraid for starters

[Isenheart8]

if he does ...will you curl up and die?

Only if you polish your bald head.

[morrocan roll]

Only if you polish your bald head.
which one?

[Flashman's Ghost]

mil.com can also be pretty anti-British when we say we don't want guns.

That said just use a bit of logic and it seriously flummoxes some of them.

PS - I love Mil.com even if can be slightly irritating. Its about the only forum where people think I'm some sort of left wing liberal :shocking:

[Isenheart8]

which one?


:yuck:

[morrocan roll]

mil.com can also be pretty anti-British when we say we don't want guns.

:
we don't want guns?
we have always had legal acess to guns ...until tony came to power and criminalised their ownership ...which means of course that criminals have as many guns as they wish ...and the law abiding have handed all theirs in ...mostly.

[morrocan roll]

:yuck:
:D

[Flashman's Ghost]

OK I'll clarify - I suspect the majority of the British don't want easy access to weapons by anyone except the police and armed forces.

I hate Blair, but it wasn't unpopular with the majority of the population when he massively tightened the gun laws.

[morrocan roll]

it wasn't unpopular with the majority of the population when he massively tightened the gun laws.
did he ask anyone?
wasn't it a tabloid induced reaction?
the millions of people who owned all manner of weaponry for years ...warned that criminlasing it would do just that ...and it came to pass.
the situation we have now ...is the law abiding have no guns ...the lawbreakers have them all instead ...is that good?

[Flashman's Ghost]

Are you American? :chin: I seem to have heard this argument on mil.com a few times.

It was in their manifesto. They'd talked about banning them before the election. So people knew what that Blair was going to do it.

And your average ordinary citizen is hardly at risk from armed criminals and given a 9milli would probably be more dangerous to themselves and their neighbours than any burgular.

[morrocan roll]

Are you American? :chin: I seem to have heard this argument on mil.com a few times.

It was in their manifesto. They'd talked about banning them before the election. So people knew what that Blair was going to do it.

And your average ordinary citizen is hardly at risk from armed criminals and given a 9milli would probably be more dangerous to themselves and their neighbours than any burgular.
i'm english in wales!
an immigrant into a very hostile country.
there were no ...NO ...problems with people owning guns legaly.
the occasional nutter would get hold of one ...
now most occasional nutters own them.

[BlackArab]

did he ask anyone?
wasn't it a tabloid induced reaction?
the millions of people who owned all manner of weaponry for years ...warned that criminlasing it would do just that ...and it came to pass.
the situation we have now ...is the law abiding have no guns ...the lawbreakers have them all instead ...is that good?

But Mr Roll you said yourself a couple of months back that you can easily get hold of shotguns licences. If thats sufficient for hunting what else do we need?

I wouldn't want a handgun in the house and I don't want any British versions of Diesel where I live tbh.

[morrocan roll]

But Mr Roll you said yourself a couple of months back that you can easily get hold of shotguns licences. If thats sufficient for hunting what else do we need?

I wouldn't want a handgun in the house and I don't want any British versions of Diesel where I live tbh.
trouble is shotguns are generaly crap for hunting.
i wouldn't particularly want people having hand guns etc in their city dwellings ...but that is what we now have ...on a growing scale.
shotgun liciense is a doddle to get.

[Flashman's Ghost]

i'm english in wales!
an immigrant into a very hostile country.
there were no ...NO ...problems with people owning guns legaly.
the occasional nutter would get hold of one ...
now most occasional nutters own them.

Ah I see your point...

I've just had a vision of loads of Taffs dressed as Red Indians surrounding your homestead whilst you fight them off with your trusty six shooters

(note to self - must not watch John Wayne DVDs on return from work).

The occasional nutters shot up Hungerford and then a school in Dunblane. Giving up weapons seems to be a small price to pay for not having those being repeated.

[Mad Mac]

nothing wrong with having a gun!just try not to shoot anyone.

[morrocan roll]

Ah I see your point...



The occasional nutters shot up Hungerford and then a school in Dunblane. Giving up weapons seems to be a small price to pay for not having those being repeated.
but that was two incidences since the second world war ......now these very same nutters have all manner of illegal and untraceable weaponry.
the huge solution against the innocent ...was to produce a a huge problem for the innocent.
guns and drugs should be regulated and controlled ...not criminalised.

[Flashman's Ghost]

Whilst it may be possible to regulate drugs - regulating guns doesn't tend to work. Even a regulated gun will kill, even if it's some idiot leaving it where his kids will get it or cleaning it whilst loaded.

[morrocan roll]

Whilst it may be possible to regulate drugs - regulating guns doesn't tend to work. Even a regulated gun will kill, even if it's some idiot leaving it where his kids will get it or cleaning it whilst loaded.
but that just didn't happen with sensible english people who owned guns without it being some kind of power trip ...english people have never been renowned for flashing guns about or boasting about them.
whilst guns were legal ...the negative effects were virtualy nil.
unfortunately i agree that make them legal again is now to late ...the criminal market is up and running and basicaly unstoppable ...they shouldn't have criminalised it in the first place.

[BlackArab]

The problem with illegal guns should really be looked at as a seperate issue in my opinion. I live in a city and I have never really felt the need to have a gun in my home. Where I live if your not a criminal you don't need one and you'll never see one.

[morrocan roll]

The problem with illegal guns should really be looked at as a seperate issue in my opinion. I live in a city and I have never really felt the need to have a gun in my home. Where I live if your not a criminal you don't need one and you'll never see one.
but when it was perfectly legal to own all manner of firearms ...not that long ago ...they were mostly in the countryside anyway. to get a licience in a tower block was reasonably easy ...but it was controlled ...the sales and ownership ...all traceable ...there was no real demand from the criminal element until ...firearms were made illegal.
there were far fewer problems but ...like i admit ...to late to go back now ...we have already created the monster.

[morrocan roll]

by the way ...guns were not about threatening anyone or even protecting yourself ...they were purely sport/hobby/pastime/rodent control etc.

[groovechampion]

this period in history will be looked back on as one of notoriety and barbarity, i thought we were supossed to be the most civilised society ever on earth's history.

Of course we are. If you think that there has been a society more civilized then you are a fool.

[morrocan roll]

Of course we are. If you think that there has been a society more civilized then you are a fool.
can you give me a link to that?

[groovechampion]

sorry i just can't take you seriously anymore, why should we be jealous of american culture, lets look at american culture, you're either A) a skater boy with baggy jeans who likes to say stuff like "dude" and "radical" :rolleyes: or B) a red neck who likes to shag your sister, oh yes so enviable, well it's not that clear cut but you can see my point. cultural snobbery, us europeans have far more culture than the americans, you talk about immigrants being shipped off, i think you should be shipped off to america cos you clearly aren't happy being English. atheism, what the fuck has that got to do with anything? you live in a delusional world.

You are so ignorant and stupid it annoys me. You obviously havent the faintest idea about American culture. There is no single American culture anyway, as the country is incredibly diverse. Your posts are consistently irrationally anti-American which is stupid in itself but you dont even have any reasoning or any sort of argument behind them.

You've dismissed a country of 200 + million people (or more? not sure) as either a "skater boy" or a "red neck who likes to shag your(sic.:yeees: ) sister".
You are a bigot and an ignorant fool. If you generalised in the same way about say, Pakistani culture or perhaps African culture you'd get lambasted instantly.

Luckily I think most people can appreciate the fact that you are an idiot.

[groovechampion]

can you give me a link to that?

What society in history has been more civilized than ours?

[Isenheart8]

sorry i just can't take you seriously anymore, why should we be jealous of american culture, lets look at american culture, you're either A) a skater boy with baggy jeans who likes to say stuff like "dude" and "radical" :rolleyes: or B) a red neck who likes to shag your sister, oh yes so enviable, well it's not that clear cut but you can see my point. cultural snobbery, us europeans have far more culture than the americans, you talk about immigrants being shipped off, i think you should be shipped off to america cos you clearly aren't happy being English. atheism, what the fuck has that got to do with anything? you live in a delusional world.


Yeah your right torlough, im not that proud of being english any more , because im one of the only honkies left down my street, i wonder if they will still call it england when all the white people have been "ethinically cleansed" from their homeland? But your right i will never be proud to be english, our new multi-cultural society saddens me, it leads to demoralised and fragmented communities.

[morrocan roll]

What society in history has been more civilized than ours?
i'll have to have a think ...get back to you soon.
hey i'm old enough to remember when america was THE beacon of all that was good ...i'm sure there are others here.
some will say we were deluded ...
i like to think we were aspiring.
yes of fucking course all manner of shit was going on in the background ...same as it ever was.
for some reason each generation feels more sophisticated than the last ...which means they have failed fully to comprehend many valuable lessons.

[groovechampion]

Yeah your right torlough, im not that proud of being english any more , because im one of the only honkies left down my street, i wonder if they will still call it england when all the white people have been "ethinically cleansed" from their homeland? But your right i will never be proud to be english, our new multi-cultural society saddens me, it leads to demoralised and fragmented communities.

You sound like a racist. But to be honest, I don't think multi-culturalism works either. Even the head of the Board for Racial Equality agrees.

I'm all for integration, more along the lines of the American way of adopting immigrants, they really buy into the way of life and become true Americans. In the UK there is more of a celebration of differences and a tacit agreement that the immigrants are somehow foreign and not quite British.

[Isenheart8]

You sound like a racist. But to be honest, I don't think multi-culturalism works either. Even the head of the Board for Racial Equality agrees.

I'm all for integration, more along the lines of the American way of adopting immigrants, they really buy into the way of life and become true Americans. In the UK there is more of a celebration of differences and a tacit agreement that the immigrants are somehow foreign and not quite British.

The head of racial equality , dont care about white equality, they are actually racist against whites, promoting multi-culturalism for years then they had to eat their words.

[Mad Mac]

The head of racial equality , dont care about white equality, they are actually racist against whites, promoting multi-culturalism for years then they had to eat their words.
i have to agree with that!

[freethepeeps]

i have to agree with that!

Thats nice? So they don't stand for racial equality at all then?

How exactly are they "racist against whites" ?


:confused:

[morrocan roll]

How exactly are they "racist against whites" ?


:confused:yes ...especialy the white ones ...

[Mad Mac]

Thats nice? So they don't stand for racial equality at all then?

How exactly are they "racist against whites" ?


:confused:
ok. all i,m saying is we concentrate so much on whats racist and whats not,that we forget our own rights as white people.yes they do stand for equality,but dont forget your own race either.

[morrocan roll]

ok. all i,m saying is we concentrate so much on whats racist and whats not,that we forget our own rights as white people.yes they do stand for equality,but dont forget your own race either.
psssst. you might find that seeing as one in ten are white that the other cases get a bit more attetion ...just a thought.

[Namaste]

Being at uni is not a demonstration of intelligence if the entry standards are set low.
Even if they are set high it's not a show of intelligence.

[Namaste]

I feel compelled to let everyone know that not all Americans are stupid, fat, uneducated, ignorant, ethno-centric assholes! Just most of us! I know we all have greater things worry about anyhow, but I just wanted to make sure that people out there know that rational, loving and peaceful Amercians do exist.
Well done :thumb:

Here's a prize for your efforts
http://www.afghanunited.com/food/Big%20Mac.JPG

Just kidding :p

[Mad Mac]

psssst. you might find that seeing as one in ten are white that the other cases get a bit more attetion ...just a thought.
psssst,fuck off! :wave:

[AllAmericanRageJunky]

sorry i just can't take you seriously anymore, why should we be jealous of american culture, lets look at american culture, you're either A) a skater boy with baggy jeans who likes to say stuff like "dude" and "radical" :rolleyes: or B) a red neck who likes to shag your sister, oh yes so enviable, well it's not that clear cut but you can see my point. cultural snobbery, us europeans have far more culture than the americans...

ok hey now, that is getting a little unnecessary isn't it? I don't typically think of myself as an American, I think of myself as an Oregonian because lord knows it's an entirely different country over here. But seriously dude (perhaps we do say "dude" a little) the youth isn't limited to these two areas, we have more than our fair share of leftist, skinheads, anarchists, etc. And lets not forget the hippies (they will always hold a special place in my heart lol). There is plenty of culture in the States.

I agree with your charges against matador (or whatever the name is), but lets try not to do it at the expense of those of us on this side o' the pond. :thumb:

[AllAmericanRageJunky]

Matadore i totally agree with you, i mean why does the left have a go at americans when there are worse regimes with worse war crimes?

it's mostly because the people who run our country love to run around banging pots and pans all the while screaming about democracy and how freedom is on the march. There certainly are worse regimes but since we like to run draped in the American flag pattering on and on about how we stand for the ultimate in freedom we are left open to a little more criticism.

[MrG]

i say dude often enough and im from england

[AllAmericanRageJunky]

very sweet then. "dude" is a nice word, it can be used in so many fashions that leaving it out of your vocabulary would be a crime. ;)

oh and about the whole "find an anti-bush U.S. website" try http://www.refuseandresist.org. good times I say.

[Isenheart8]

Well i like americans ;) dont care what anyone else thinks.

[AllAmericanRageJunky]

to bad most of em don't like racists.

[Aladdin]

How many instances of anti-Americanism can you cite, Matadore?

There have been 126,452 posts in this forum to date.

Let's see how many you can find that are anti-American.

My guess is a whole number between 1 and -1.

And for the record, since you seem to ignore the obvious let me remind you that criticism however fierce of the US government does not constitute anti-Americanism.

So please do indulge us.

You've managed to find any yet Matadore?

[morrocan roll]

psssst,fuck off! :wave:
just been reading my post there ...does it actualy makes sense?
i can't figure it out for the life of me now ...it must have made sense last night.

[Halloween]

I'man Irish-American mongrel living in Belfast. After the re-election of Bush I was ashamed to call myself American. It's just politics, no one here with average intelligence is trying to pigeon hole americans as fat sister shaggers... :chin:

[Aladdin]

They seem to be much more vulnerable to manipulation than Europeans but that's much more to do with education and media control in America than with intelligence. It would be stupid and incorrect to suggest people of certain countries are more intelligent than others.

However people can willfully close their minds up and accept whatever they're told without questioning it. I think there is a lot of this attitude in the US, especially amongst hardcore Republican voters.

Practically all of our American customers whom we know well and have discussed politics with are absolutely appalled that Bush won the election. But then they own a passport and have travelled abroad so they have an advantage over most of their fellow citizens ;)

[Yerascrote]

Jesus christ have you'se no sense of sub-text, i already said it wasn't as clear cut as what i mentioned, my point was was that there is nothing too enviable about american culture and that our cultures are alot more diverse, in general of course, do i even have to say in general anymore, quite obviously i do because people just jump on anything you mention that sounds generalized even though you aren't trying to be.

[kimmy6904]

just been reading my post there ...does it actualy makes sense?
i can't figure it out for the life of me now ...it must have made sense last night.
god knows?? i been having the same feelings today.it all made sense last night after 5 cans of carling :confused: ;) never mind...twoz good fun!

[kimmy6904]

shit wrong sign in...................................DEAN MAC

[Mad Mac]

thats better.........signed in as my girlfriend.

[groovechampion]

Jesus christ have you'se no sense of sub-text, i already said it wasn't as clear cut as what i mentioned, my point was was that there is nothing too enviable about american culture and that our cultures are alot more diverse, in general of course, do i even have to say in general anymore, quite obviously i do because people just jump on anything you mention that sounds generalized even though you aren't trying to be.

Yeah so basically you said something that was completely wrong, bigoted and pretty stupid.

Our culture isn't more diverse. You obviously have no idea about American culture, beyond Macdonalds and Hollywood movies.

[AllAmericanRageJunky]

Jesus christ have you'se no sense of sub-text, i already said it wasn't as clear cut as what i mentioned, my point was was that there is nothing too enviable about american culture and that our cultures are alot more diverse, in general of course, do i even have to say in general anymore, quite obviously i do because people just jump on anything you mention that sounds generalized even though you aren't trying to be.

calm down turlough think of the childeren. :rolleyes:

when debating a simpleton racist as you were it does little good to make generalized inflammatory statements. We all knew what your point was, but I figured to call you on your generalities before that little prick could take them and run with em. :thumb:

[Yerascrote]

:( has anyone figured me out yet? does anyone know my sense of humour? i leave messages and subtle comical hints in my posts, i'm basically taking the piss out of everyone and it's working, if you met me in real life you'd know what i'm on about.

[Yerascrote]

Yeah so basically you said something that was completely wrong, bigoted and pretty stupid.

Our culture isn't more diverse. You obviously have no idea about American culture, beyond Macdonalds and Hollywood movies.

i can read a book and enjoy it, look at the sky and breath the AIR, yes the fresh air, i can fall hopelessly in love and not regret a moment of loss, i can also embrace my heritage and primacy, peace dude. shit i said an american word, i must be a conformist. :shocking:

[Yerascrote]

calm down turlough think of the childeren. :rolleyes:

when debating a simpleton racist as you were it does little good to make generalized inflammatory statements. We all knew what your point was, but I figured to call you on your generalities before that little prick could take them and run with em. :thumb:

point taken, i like this little internet game, i wonder what score it is....i'll sell you my soul for an ounce of respect......ahhahahaha whats the world coming too :shocking: and no i'm not on drugs i'm just high.

[groovechampion]

:( has anyone figured me out yet? does anyone know my sense of humour? i leave messages and subtle comical hints in my posts, i'm basically taking the piss out of everyone and it's working, if you met me in real life you'd know what i'm on about.

Woah!

You must be really clever. :yeees: