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Whowhere
19-02-2005, 06:25 PM
From the Terminator series?

god help us (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/17/wrobot17.xml)
morrocan roll
19-02-2005, 06:31 PM
glad i'm old enough to not be looking forward to living in the world being created for you people.
Makoto
19-02-2005, 06:48 PM
They really do spent their money on shit.
lukesh
19-02-2005, 06:51 PM
Why not give the money to the Iraqis?
morrocan roll
19-02-2005, 08:52 PM
Why not give the money to the Iraqis?
or the people of stoke ...what WTF are you on about luke ...
Cuddilicious
19-02-2005, 08:59 PM
Eeek!! I seen them on telly about robots. Makes me nervous.
lukesh
19-02-2005, 09:26 PM
or the people of stoke ...what WTF are you on about luke ...
i eamnt, sintead of spending the money on atupis robots why don't they give it to the iraqs instead?
ShyBoy
19-02-2005, 10:01 PM
i eamnt, sintead of spending the money on atupis robots why don't they give it to the iraqs instead?

I was taught this lesson by a Jedi :yes: if you help someone when they're down - they'll never get the strength to pull themselves up. Of course, some aid is good for Iraq, but throwing money, medicine and food their way isn't the best way about it, they should work for it etc etc particularly because in situations of turmoil unemployment and crime goes through the roof.
Indrid Cold
19-02-2005, 10:14 PM
People don't even learn from Gattaca -and you expect them to learn from Terminator?
Senor Miguel
19-02-2005, 10:30 PM
I was taught this lesson by a Jedi :yes:

at least Star Wars is educating people...... :) seems like US government is paying close attention to Hollywood sci-fi also, following the script well....
morrocan roll
19-02-2005, 10:42 PM
at least Star Wars is educating people...... :) seems like US government is paying close attention to Hollywood sci-fi also, following the script well....
you would not believe the ammount of science fiction that has become reality in my lifetime!
and now ...all the worst bits of the cheesiest science fiction writers ...all of them ...we couldn't take seriously 24hr survielance of an entire population ...an entire fucking planet! those bits of the story were a downer that no one would ever allow to happen ...plastic registerd and recorded spending .....GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
you are all being assimilated and loving it!
and i'm going down with you all as a part time eco warrior and armchair critic...
ShyBoy
19-02-2005, 11:00 PM
Satellites were thought up by science fiction... but star wars is an exception because the way of the Jedi is infinitely wonderful :D
morrocan roll
19-02-2005, 11:03 PM
Satellites were thought up by science fiction... but star wars is an exception because the way of the Jedi is infinitely wonderful :D
big problem with this is ...who the fuck is head honcho with these jedi people?
GWB?
J?
GLOBE!!!!!!!!!!
ShyBoy
19-02-2005, 11:07 PM
big problem with this is ...who the fuck is head honcho with these jedi people?
GWB?
J?
GLOBE!!!!!!!!!!

:chin: I've never really thought about who's the head of it, tbh. Is there anyone at the head of it? Possibly George Lucas? You know Star Wars is also a missile program the americans have running to shoot down russian ballistic missiles (i.e. nukes)
morrocan roll
19-02-2005, 11:21 PM
:chin: I've never really thought about who's the head of it, tbh. Is there anyone at the head of it? Possibly George Lucas? You know Star Wars is also a missile program the americans have running to shoot down russian ballistic missiles (i.e. nukes)i suspect the people of this site ...you are all digital voices designed to distract me and send poor old J over the top ...
becky will convince herself she's a nun ...i'll end up believing i am mr roll ...as for black arab and clandestine ...well the writers of those days didn't figure on people like them being around!
morrocan roll
20-02-2005, 01:10 AM
It's a failsafe way to win a battle. But of course, there's no honour in it, you may as well go and stab the enemy in the back.
Press a button and people die.
Meanwhile in downtown USA all the men turn into geeky scientists and pedlars of this machine. We become less men, and more sservants of the beast.
when they no longer rely on our blood and sweat ...or when they have control over our blood and breath ...then we will be discarded ...
Aladdin
21-02-2005, 10:30 AM
It has been the highest priority of the US army since Vietnam to protect the lives of its soldiers at any cost. They actually have been fighting wars with the absurd and unattainable object of not losing any lives or losing as few as possible.

You might think there is nothing wrong with this on principle. But the consequences are dire for civilians (or collateral damage, as the US government prefers to see them). High-altitude bombings such as those in the former Yugoslavia caused hundreds of unnecessary civilian deaths- remember the bombing of a convoy of farmers and their families, travelling in open trucks and tractors :rolleyes: , resulting in the deaths of 80 old men, women and children? And all because US fighters were ordered to bomb targets from nearly 20,000ft, due to the miniscule possibility that they might lose a plane in a war.

The proposed 'shock and awe' bombing raids in Baghdad were designed with the same purpose in mind- obliterate anything from a safe distance, and civilians be fucked- lest a precious soldier's life is lost in a war.

So the next natural step is this- removing humans altogether from the battlefield and sending fucking robots instead. Robots which naturally won't distinguish between combatants and non-combatants, who will shoot unarmed and injured soldiers and who will continue to perpetrate the war crimes the US government has happily engaged in for the last few years.
nicebutdim23
21-02-2005, 11:32 AM
terminator ,gattaca and the matrix all scare me.
so does this. :nervous:
BlackArab
21-02-2005, 08:21 PM
i suspect the people of this site ...you are all digital voices designed to distract me and send poor old J over the top ...
becky will convince herself she's a nun ...i'll end up believing i am mr roll ...as for black arab and clandestine ...well the writers of those days didn't figure on people like them being around!

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Does life imitate art or art imitate life?

There are known unknowns. :thumb:
morrocan roll
21-02-2005, 08:24 PM
microsoft wars!
when the machines do all the killing ...there will be no need for war crimes courts!
BlackArab
21-02-2005, 08:26 PM
microsoft wars!
when the machines do all the killing ...there will be no need for war crimes courts!

or people :yum: :eek2:
Isenheart8
21-02-2005, 08:47 PM
Morracon roll, you are in the matix, this is all a plan against you, everyone is watching you!! Its just a game!!
morrocan roll
21-02-2005, 08:54 PM
Morracon roll, you are in the matix, this is all a plan against you, everyone is watching you!! Its just a game!!
i know!
groovechampion
21-02-2005, 10:44 PM
"That human involvement has proved critical in convincing military lawyers that machines can be used on the battlefield. More advanced machines which can decide whether to kill would also be legal, said Mr Johnson."

Holy crap! Thats the scariest paragraph in the article...
morrocan roll
21-02-2005, 10:47 PM
"That human involvement has proved critical in convincing military lawyers that machines can be used on the battlefield. More advanced machines which can decide whether to kill would also be legal, said Mr Johnson."

Holy crap! Thats the scariest paragraph in the article...and no ones to blame ...
BlackArab
22-02-2005, 11:09 AM
"That human involvement has proved critical in convincing military lawyers that machines can be used on the battlefield. More advanced machines which can decide whether to kill would also be legal, said Mr Johnson."

Holy crap! Thats the scariest paragraph in the article...


What about the following one:

"The lawyers tell me there are no prohibitions against robots making life-or-death decisions," he said.

or this beauty:

Once robotic technology is developed, the Americans say, the cost of a robot soldier might be only 10 per cent that of its human counterpart.

How much is the human life worth these days and is there a student discount :confused:
Toadborg
22-02-2005, 02:02 PM
Well if you pay wages say $25,000 a year for 15 years + training, college costs etc, say $50,000 + equipment say another $50,000 then that soldier costs about half a million dollars over the life of his service.

It is perfectly feasible for a robot to cost a lot less..........
morrocan roll
22-02-2005, 02:05 PM
Well if you pay wages say $25,000 a year for 15 years + training, college costs etc, say $50,000 + equipment say another $50,000 then that soldier costs about half a million dollars over the life of his service.

It is perfectly feasible for a robot to cost a lot less..........and then bury him or burn him ...but with the machine you can do a bit of salvage and save even more dosh!
Aladdin
22-02-2005, 02:33 PM
Thank god for electromagnetic pulses then. One EMP blast would immediately and permanently disable every fighting robot and computer within the blast radius, as well as bringing down all modern war planes of unstable configuration that need computer flight managements to keep in the air (F117, B2 and F22 to name but three).

Only problem is, the only known way to generate a big enough EMPs is by detonating a nuclear device.

One more reason for countries across the globe to arm themselves with nukes and deter the US menace, then.
groovechampion
23-02-2005, 03:48 PM
One more reason for countries across the globe to arm themselves with nukes and deter the US menace, then.

You really think that's a good idea? :chin:
Aladdin
23-02-2005, 04:08 PM
Generally speaking, no it isn't. The fewer nukes the better. But I cannot blame any nation for wanting to acquire nukes at any cost. Everyone has a right to defend itself against aggression, and sadly, where the US government is concerned, nukes are the only form of defence against the Imperialistic Crusaders.

Were the US to get rid of its governing junta and install a respectful government that didn't threaten, bully, bomb and invade countries everywhere, I'm sure most nations could not be bothered with the economic sanctions, the international isolation and the general hassle that they'd suffer by trying to acquire nuclear weapons.