View Full Version : Had a miscarriage? Report it in 12 hours, or jail
go_away
08-01-2005, 06:49 PM
A proposed bill states that a woman would go to jail if she failed to report a miscarriage in 12 hours. Info here (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/6/194434/1328)
The bill itself is here (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?051+sum+HB1677)
The foetus obsession is now beyond a joke.
Because you know, having a miscarriage is not bad enough :mad:
Fiend_85
08-01-2005, 06:59 PM
That's absolutly outrageous, that's just the biggest SHIT ever.
Amira
08-01-2005, 07:25 PM
erm....all i could think was "what the fuck?!?!?!" seriously though, a foetus still isnt born and therefore not anyones concern but the woman carrying it...for the time being.
Kermit
08-01-2005, 08:44 PM
GWST recommends that everyone reads A Handmaid's tale by Maragret Atwood.
I reckon it'll be the truth within five years.
Fear the Christian Taleban- I fucking do.
Indrid Cold
08-01-2005, 10:23 PM
...reason?
queenmab_roo
09-01-2005, 12:41 AM
"This bill, which was requested by the Chesapeake Police Department, is an attempt to reduce the number of "trashcan" babies that are born and then abandoned in trashcans, toilets, or elsewhere to die from exposure or worse. There are numerous examples of these tragic deaths in Virginia, many in Northern Virginia and also in Hampton Roads. Once the body of a child is found, if the death of that child is undetermined by a coroner, the person abandoning that child can only be charged with "the improper disposal of a human body".
from the bottom of the page. as is pointed out, that's all births and consequent deaths, not miscarriages. Outrageous.
Kermit, i've read a handmaids tale. incredibly scary!
princessamy
09-01-2005, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Kermit
GWST recommends that everyone reads A Handmaid's tale by Maragret Atwood.
I reckon it'll be the truth within five years.
Fear the Christian Taleban- I fucking do.
Good book.
This is reversing the progress that women have meant to have made in the last century.
People that want this are just complete prats that can't think of women as humans, and must want to fill up the prisons with people who haven't even done anything 'morally' wrong.
Indrid Cold
09-01-2005, 04:35 PM
Can someone tell what the reason for this law is, or at least the supposed reason? It doesn't seem to be making any more sense than having to report whenever you get a papercut.
Kentish
09-01-2005, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Zalbor
Can someone tell what the reason for this law is, or at least the supposed reason? It doesn't seem to be making any more sense than having to report whenever you get a papercut.
I can see an argument for encouraging women to report miscarriages - and not for sinister reasons. Miscarriages can have serious complications and are obviously very traumatic for the woman (and her partner). And it is useful to have some idea of the number of miscarriages occurring and if there is a pattern, for public health reasons.
But a prison sentence is just bizarre in the extreme. I don't really understand it.
Indrid Cold
09-01-2005, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by Kentish
I can see an argument for encouraging women to report miscarriages - and not for sinister reasons. Miscarriages can have serious complications and are obviously very traumatic for the woman (and her partner). And it is useful to have some idea of the number of miscarriages occurring and if there is a pattern, for public health reasons.
But a prison sentence is just bizarre in the extreme. I don't really understand it.
Right... Demographic reasons. Thanks.
Kentish
09-01-2005, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Zalbor
Right... Demographic reasons. Thanks.
Not only.
I shan't bore you with detail, but miscarriages are not always complete and it is not unknown for retained products of conception (ie the dead baby) to be found on ultrasound when investigating subsequent infertility or menstrual problems. And then you can can get so-called molar pregnancies which are potentially cancerous, and need medical treatment.
A 12 hour deadline is ridiculous though.
Indrid Cold
09-01-2005, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Kentish
Not only.
I shan't bore you with detail, but miscarriages are not always complete and it is not unknown for retained products of conception (ie the dead baby) to be found on ultrasound when investigating subsequent infertility or menstrual problems. And then you can can get so-called molar pregnancies which are potentially cancerous, and need medical treatment.
A 12 hour deadline is ridiculous though.
I see, thanks again.
But any kind of deadline is ridiculous. It should be "You don't report it, it's your loss".
BumbleBee
09-01-2005, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Kentish
Not only.
I shan't bore you with detail, but miscarriages are not always complete and it is not unknown for retained products of conception (ie the dead baby) to be found on ultrasound when investigating subsequent infertility or menstrual problems. And then you can can get so-called molar pregnancies which are potentially cancerous, and need medical treatment.
A 12 hour deadline is ridiculous though.
So how would calling the local police station get you that medical help? It wouldn't. The best bet would be to stop by a hospital which is what the majority of women probably do anyway. Surely the hospital can record the details?
Kentish
09-01-2005, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by BumbleBee
So how would calling the local police station get you that medical help? It wouldn't. The best bet would be to stop by a hospital which is what the majority of women probably do anyway. Surely the hospital can record the details?
I'm not defending the law, I'm stating simple facts.
girl with sharp teeth
09-01-2005, 10:59 PM
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go_away
11-01-2005, 06:46 PM
Thank feck for that!
Being the everlasting sceptic when it comes to the current American climate and reproductive rights (;)) I think Cosgrove backtracked when he saw outrage caused by it. And if he was intent on referring to abandoned babies, it should have been specified in the proposed bill, given another previous bill of his was a duty to report childbirth (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?031+sum+HB1421). I don't think he was misinterprited, he was just caught.
According to another blog, in Virginia, 'foetal death' is very specific: Fetal death" means death prior to the complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of a product of human conception, regardless of the duration of pregnancy death is indicated by the fact that after such expulsion or extraction the fetus does not breathe or show any other evidence of life such as beating of the heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles.
Who are we to mail our used tampons to now? :(
as james brown once sang
"living in america"
kittenk89
17-05-2005, 05:45 PM
Thats out of order iv had a miscarriage and thats the last thing your thinking about it took me three days to tell someone i was so upset, and so worried
Thats pissed me of thats totaly out of order, if that goes through il write a letter of complaint myself.
And i dont even live in America!!!
:banghead:
Fiend_85
17-05-2005, 05:51 PM
this thread is four months old.
this thread is four months old.
calm down dear its only a commercial
no wait............WHAT tHE HELL AM I SAYING
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