Caring folk?!

[Madgal99]

I was really quite sickened to read this (http://www.mansfieldtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=722&ArticleID=885777) in a nottinghamshire paper how can they call themselves caring folk? £25,000 to switch on some damn christmas lights and they think they're caring. It makes me so angry, these people are so shallow. When it comes to a good cause they'd be lucky to raise £50 :mad:

[Kentish]

As they say in France: bof

[Fiend_85]

There's a vicar of dibley episode this has reminded me of. They raise £50,000 for a new stained glass window for the church, but there's been an earthquake, and lots of people in foriegn country (can't remember what it was in the show) were in a really shit way. So they spent £600 quid getting a clear glass window, and gave the rest to the charity. That's how it should be.

[Kermit]

Sorry, did you have a point there?

What gives you the right to decide what charities and good causes people donate to?

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Sorry, did you have a point there?

What gives you the right to decide what charities and good causes people donate to?

So an event like switching on some christmas lights is a good cause or a charity?

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Madgal99
So an event like switching on some christmas lights is a good cause or a charity?

For some people yes, for others no.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by BlackArab
For some people yes, for others no.

All I can say is good luck to those people then. The only word that comes to mind though, is shallow.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Madgal99
So an event like switching on some christmas lights is a good cause or a charity?

What's so shallow about civic pride?

Just because you don't have any doesn't mean that those people are "shallow" for footing the bill for their town's Christmas festivities.

It's great to see that sanctimoniousness is alive and well.

[Olive]

i've been to mansfield, and i don't blame them :p

serious though, it's their money. let them spend it or give it away any way they see fit.

it seems kinda silly to me, but considering how many clothes i've bought this year, i don't think i'm in a position to call anyone shallow. you know?

[Kermit]

It's like, I donate money to St Gemma's Hospice in Leeds, and obviously that is "shallow" because it isnt saving people, its pampering them on their deathbed.

I seriously doubt you are in a position to call anyone else shallow, magdal. Few are.

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Madgal99
All I can say is good luck to those people then. The only word that comes to mind though, is shallow.

shallow for wanting Christmas decorations?

expect the Ghost of Christmas past to come visiting sometime soon...;)

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
What's so shallow about civic pride?

Just because you don't have any doesn't mean that those people are "shallow" for footing the bill for their town's Christmas festivities.

It's great to see that sanctimoniousness is alive and well.

Yet, in the same paper, the week before - "THE caring sister of a courageous Mansfield Woodhouse schoolboy suffering from a brain tumour for a third time is launching a fundraising drive to help raise awareness of the disease."

I wonder how much she'll raise. Probably nowhere near £25,000.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
It's like, I donate money to St Gemma's Hospice in Leeds, and obviously that is "shallow" because it isnt saving people, its pampering them on their deathbed.

I seriously doubt you are in a position to call anyone else shallow, magdal. Few are.

Oh yeah, of course I'd call that shallow :rolleyes: I'm really evil for thinking it's a complete waste of money. What I don't understand is how they can call themselves caring?

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Yet, in the same paper, the week before - "THE caring sister of a courageous Mansfield Woodhouse schoolboy suffering from a brain tumour for a third time is launching a fundraising drive to help raise awareness of the disease."

I wonder how much she'll raise. Probably nowhere near £25,000.

Depends on how many people come forward to help with the fundraising, maybe you should volunteer.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by BlackArab
Depends on how many people come forward to help with the fundraising, maybe you should volunteer.

Maybe I should.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Yet, in the same paper, the week before - "THE caring sister of a courageous Mansfield Woodhouse schoolboy suffering from a brain tumour for a third time is launching a fundraising drive to help raise awareness of the disease."

I wonder how much she'll raise. Probably nowhere near £25,000.
Which is the better use of money: "raising awareness" of a vanishingly rare brain tumour, or cheering people up as they do their Christmas shopping in Mansfield?

I see your point, but the world is more complicated than that. As Kermit said, don't underestimate civic pride.

[Olive]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Oh yeah, of course I'd call that shallow :rolleyes: I'm really evil for thinking it's a complete waste of money. What I don't understand is how they can call themselves caring?

you don't know how much money they gave to other causes.

is it still shallow if someone gave £10 to the lights fund and £150 to a children's charity?

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kentish
Which is the better use of money: "raising awareness" of a vanishingly rare brain tumour, or cheering people up as they do their Christmas shopping in Mansfield?

I see your point, but the world is more complicated than that. As Kermit said, don't underestimate civic pride.

I don't really see that Mansfield have much to be proud of, in my personal opinion, it's the arsehole of britain, excuse my language. Or maybe it's one of many. This is only in my experience of course.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I don't really see that Mansfield have much to be proud of, in my personal opinion, it's the arsehole of britain, excuse my language. Or maybe it's one of many. This is only in my experience of course.
Well maybe a few sparkly lights is what's needed then.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kentish
Well maybe a few sparkly lights is what's needed then.

Yes I'm sure it'll make many people feel all warm inside and I'm happy for them.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by kaffrin
you don't know how much money they gave to other causes.

is it still shallow if someone gave £10 to the lights fund and £150 to a children's charity?

Granted, I don't really know how much money they give to other causes but I'm willing to bet it wouldn't come to that much. I think a children's charity would benefit more from the money than the lights fund.

[Fiend_85]

That depends on the 'charity'.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
That depends on the 'charity'.

What depends on the charity?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
What depends on the charity?

One whether they'd benefit more than this christmas light fund. I quite like pretty lights in town to be honest.

[Olive]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Granted, I don't really know how much money they give to other causes but I'm willing to bet it wouldn't come to that much.

i think you'd be surprised. the hospice Kermit mentioned isn't a big charity, but they still make more than £11,000 every day.

the big, national charities (RSPCA, Cancer research, etc, etc) make a lot more than that.

people are more generous than you think.


I think a children's charity would benefit more from the money than the lights fund.

i don't think anyone's disagreeing. the point is, that's not your decision to make. those people earn their money, and so they're free to spend it any way they want.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by kaffrin i don't think anyone's disagreeing. the point is, that's not your decision to make. those people earn their money, and so they're free to spend it any way they want. [/B]

Yes I agree totally that it's their money to spend as they wish but it's just Mansfield all over. I myself would rather give my money to something or someone that would benefit, the christmas entertainment and lights will be over and done with in a month and in my opinion that's £25,000 down the drain, maybe I have my priorities wrong.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by kaffrin
i don't think anyone's disagreeing.
I am. I put it to you that the Christmas lights will do as much good as a charity seeking to raise awareness of a rare medical condition based on one child's death. Heartless though it may sound, just because something is called a charity doesn't mean it does any good, or deserves funding.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kentish
I am. I put it to you that the Christmas lights will do as much good as a charity seeking to raise awareness of a rare medical condition based on one child's death. Heartless though it may sound, just because something is called a charity doesn't mean it does any good, or deserves funding.

The child isn't dead though. And I'm also willing to bet he isn't the only one who has suffered from this, there will be other people. As I've already said, the christmas celebrations will be over and done with in a month, that child may still be alive and suffering as well as others.

[Fiend_85]

Depends how important you think christmas is.

[Kermit]

Economicaslly speaking, donating to the Christmas Lights appeal is a good investment.

People will come in to Mansfield, people will spend, putting money into the economy there. That money will then be donated again to someone else, somewhere else.

You see it as a waste of money, so don't donate to it. But you have no right to attack other people for thinking it is a charity worth donating to.

Most people who donate to charity don't just donate to one or two charities. I personally donate to three or four, when I have the money, and no doubt I would be attacked for at least two of the charities I sometimes give to.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by Madgal99
The child isn't dead though. And I'm also willing to bet he isn't the only one who has suffered from this, there will be other people. As I've already said, the christmas celebrations will be over and done with in a month, that child may still be alive and suffering as well as others.
OK, but how is £25,000 going to prevent kids getting brain tumours?

The Christmas lights can be used next year, they might encourage spending in Mansfield which will improve the town, they might encourage people to give to charity. Would you rather a dreary town centre at Christmas? It is a celebration afterall.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Madgal99
As I've already said, the christmas celebrations will be over and done with in a month, that child may still be alive and suffering as well as others.

Why is one kid's brain tumour more important than an entire town's Christmas festivities though?

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Economicaslly speaking, donating to the Christmas Lights appeal is a good investment.

People will come in to Mansfield, people will spend, putting money into the economy there. That money will then be donated again to someone else, somewhere else.

You see it as a waste of money, so don't donate to it. But you have no right to attack other people for thinking it is a charity worth donating to.

Most people who donate to charity don't just donate to one or two charities. I personally donate to three or four, when I have the money, and no doubt I would be attacked for at least two of the charities I sometimes give to.

I'm not attacking anyone, but I don't see it as a charity. Mansfield's a waste of space, how could they possibly think that some christmas lights will make it any more attractive?

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Why is one kid's brain tumour more important than an entire town's Christmas festivities though?

I'm sure they could have some sort of christmas celebrations for a lot less than 25 grand. I'm not saying one kids brain tumour is more important, I'm just saying I think there are more worthwhile things to donate money to but who am I to say anything :yeees:

[NaCN]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I'm not attacking anyone, but I don't see it as a charity. Mansfield's a waste of space, how could they possibly think that some christmas lights will make it any more attractive?

If it's that much of a toilet, then surely anything (nice) will make it more attractive.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kentish
OK, but how is £25,000 going to prevent kids getting brain tumours?

The Christmas lights can be used next year, they might encourage spending in Mansfield which will improve the town, they might encourage people to give to charity. Would you rather a dreary town centre at Christmas? It is a celebration afterall.

The place is a hellhole, it'll take a lot more than some lights to make it a better place.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
The place is a hellhole, it'll take a lot more than some lights to make it a better place.

well, it would be with grumpy shites like you living there.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
well, it would be with grumpy shites like you living there.

Did I ever say I lived in Mansfield, nope, not to my recollection. I don't happen to be particularly grumpy either, I just have some set views about things, as most people do.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I'm sure they could have some sort of christmas celebrations for a lot less than 25 grand.

Probably not, electricity doesn't grow on trees.

It's great to see your civic pride in full glow, btw. At least someone cares about that town, even if it isn't you.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Probably not, electricity doesn't grow on trees.

It's great to see your civic pride in full glow, btw. At least someone cares about that town, even if it isn't you.

No I'm sure electricity doesn't grow on trees. I don't give a shit about the town myself and for anyone that does, I feel for them greatly.

[Fiend_85]

and a merry bloody christmas to you too.

Christmas pie anyone?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I don't give a shit about the town myself and for anyone that does, I feel for them greatly.

Well that, like this entire thread, says far more about your sanctimoniousness then anything else.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
and a merry bloody christmas to you too.

Christmas pie anyone?

Thank you muchly.

[NaCN]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I don't give a shit about the town myself and for anyone that does, I feel for them greatly.

If you don't give a shit about the town, why make a thread on it?

They probably care because they live there. Nothing wrong with that.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Well that, like this entire thread, says far more about your sanctimoniousness then anything else.

Oh I'm sure it does. What a pointless thread indeed. No one's ever done that before.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by NaCN
If you don't give a shit about the town, why make a thread on it?

They probably care because they live there. Nothing wrong with that.

Probably because it makes me angry to think they can raise £25,000 for some lights and be proud of themselves when there are much more worthwhile things out there that desperately need funding but as I said, who am I to have a point of view?

[Fiend_85]

You'd best stop posting it then... :rolleyes:

[Olive]

and you wonder why people don't like coming in here.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by kaffrin
and you wonder why people don't like coming in here.

true. but really, if you've already posted your opinion 16 times, and each time someone's come up with a different yet valid arguement, and for the last 15 times you've ended with 'who am I to have an opinion...' why bother posting it up again?

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
You'd best stop posting it then... :rolleyes:

Maybe I should but then again, maybe I won't. If this was such a pointless thread, I'm surprised at the amount of replies it got.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
true. but really, if you've already posted your opinion 16 times, and each time someone's come up with a different yet valid arguement, and for the last 15 times you've ended with 'who am I to have an opinion...' why bother posting it up again?

I actually only said that twice and if you read back you'd see that but I'm sure you have much better things to do with your time. Who's to say which points are valid or not. It's all relevant I'm sure.

[Olive]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
true. but really, if you've already posted your opinion 16 times, and each time someone's come up with a different yet valid arguement, and for the last 15 times you've ended with 'who am I to have an opinion...' why bother posting it up again?

not everyone has mad debating skills. and there's a huge difference between disagreeing with someone and attacking them.

it sounds a lot like she was on the defensive. and i don't blame her.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by kaffrin
not everyone has mad debating skills. and there's a huge difference between disagreeing with someone and attacking them.

it sounds a lot like she was on the defensive. and i don't blame her.

Don't blame her why?

[Kermit]

Who said it was pointless.

You've got an opinion, good for you. We've disagreed, and said why, and you've thrown your toys out of the pram, saying "obviously I'm wrong, I shouldn't say anything :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:"

*shrugs shoulders*

[Olive]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Don't blame her why?

because i think some of the replies in this thread were unnecessary.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Who said it was pointless.

You've got an opinion, good for you. We've disagreed, and said why, and you've thrown your toys out of the pram, saying "obviously I'm wrong, I shouldn't say anything :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:"

*shrugs shoulders*

I agree maybe I did spit out my dummy but I'm entitled to once in a while.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by kaffrin
because i think some of the replies in this thread were unnecessary.

Other than mine, which ones?

[Kentish]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I actually only said that twice and if you read back you'd see that but I'm sure you have much better things to do with your time. Who's to say which points are valid or not. It's all relevant I'm sure.
You have a valid point of view. Differing points of view were expressed. Your pov was based on your dislike of Mansfield and support of other potential beneficiaries of the £25,000. This was challenged.

Such is the way of Politics & Debate.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by kaffrin
because i think some of the replies in this thread were unnecessary.

Starting with "they're shallow", "I really feel for them", and "Mansfield's a shithole, what a waste of money!"...

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kentish
You have a valid point of view. Differing points of view were expressed. Your pov was based on your dislike of Mansfield and support of other potential beneficiaries of the £25,000. This was challenged.

Such is the way of Politics & Debate.

Indeed. This is true. Maybe people could get their head around this point before they try and belittle people with different points of view to theirs.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Starting with "they're shallow", "I really feel for them", and "Mansfield's a shithole, what a waste of money!"...

Childish maybe but at least it's clear.

[Olive]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Other than mine, which ones?

pretty much just yours.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by kaffrin
pretty much just yours.

What about the one that the lovely kermie has highlighted?

[Kermit]

I understand the sentiment that that money could have been spent on something more "worthwhile", but I believe that only the donor has the right to decide what is worthwhile and what is not.

I donate money to St Gemma's, CAFOD and CHUF. Quite a lot of people would disagree with the first two, fewer would disagree with the latter charity but even so, why should we spend money on a heart unit when kids don't have clean water?

The donor has the right to decide what cause is the most worthy of his hard-earned wedge. Insulting him for his charity is simply not on, IMHO.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Indeed. This is true. Maybe people could get their head around this point before they try and belittle people with different points of view to theirs.
No one's belittling you or anyone else. They are challenging your view, which is perfectly legitimate. It's up to you to defend it or back down.

I really don't think it's worth getting your knickers in a twist over.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Maybe people could get their head around this point before they try and belittle people with different points of view to theirs.

Said by the woman who attacked the Mansfield donors as "shallow" and "wasting their money on a shithole".

Oh, the irony.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
I understand the sentiment that that money could have been spent on something more "worthwhile", but I believe that only the donor has the right to decide what is worthwhile and what is not.

I donate money to St Gemma's, CAFOD and CHUF. Quite a lot of people would disagree with the first two, fewer would disagree with the latter charity but even so, why should we spend money on a heart unit when kids don't have clean water?

The donor has the right to decide what cause is the most worthy of his hard-earned wedge. Insulting him for his charity is simply not on, IMHO.

Ok, I maybe went about it the wrong way but I'm sure I got my point of view across. I don't believe the lights fund is a charity, therefore it isn't worthwhile in my opinion. It's all a bunch of sentimental bullshit. I just feel that people miss the point a great deal.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Ok, I maybe went about it the wrong way but I'm sure I got my point of view across. I don't believe the lights fund is a charity, therefore it isn't worthwhile in my opinion. It's all a bunch of sentimental bullshit. I just feel that people miss the point a great deal.

That depends entirly upon how important you think christmas is.

[Olive]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
What about the one that the lovely kermie has highlighted?

opinion, which she is entitled to. not a personal insult.

if she went up to a specific person in mansfield and said 'you are a shallow arsehole', then i'd have a problem with it.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
Said by the woman who attacked the Mansfield donors as "shallow" and "wasting their money on a shithole".

Oh, the irony.

I don't feel these statements were belittling anyone.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by kaffrin
opinion, which she is entitled to. not a personal insult.

if she went up to a specific person in mansfield and said 'you are a shallow arsehole', then i'd have a problem with it.

Can't say I've ever done this, maybe felt like it from time to time but have never done it.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I don't feel these statements were belittling anyone.
Apart from the shallow wasters and everyone who lives in Mansfield... :lol:

Give it up chuck :)

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I just feel that people miss the point a great deal.

The point of what, exactly?

You don't know what else they donated to, you don't know what else they feel strongly about. Just because they disagree with your idea of "worthwhile" doesn't mean that they "miss the point", it just means that they don't agree with your idea of "worthwhile".

Why do you think that your idea of "worthwhile" takes precedence over somebody else's?

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
That depends entirly upon how important you think christmas is.

Oh I think christmas can be extremely important if you have people to share it with but it's not about the material things in my mind.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
entirly
Uh-oh. I spy a spelling error.

sp x10

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
That depends entirly upon how important you think christmas is.

Oh I think christmas can be extremely important if you have people to share it with but it's not about the material stuff in my mind.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Oh I think christmas can be extremely important if you have people to share it with but it's not about the material things in my mind.

So, spending money, to spread the word that this is a time of year for family, friends and generosity, and to celebrate the birth of the saviour of all mankind. Not a good enough reason?

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
So, spending money, to spread the word that this is a time of year for family, friends and generosity, and to celebrate the birth of the saviour of all mankind. Not a good enough reason?

Ha! It may be about celebrating the birth of jesus christ our saviour but I think that's a load of bullshit as well.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kentish
Uh-oh. I spy a spelling error.

sp x10

crap

crapcrapcrapcrapcrap.

I hate the letter 'e'. It's official.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Ha! It may be about celebrating the birth of jesus christ our saviour but I think that's a load of bullshit as well.

dingdingdingdingding. You've hit the belittling other people alarm. Not really for you to judge is it.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kentish
Apart from the shallow wasters and everyone who lives in Mansfield... :lol:

Give it up chuck :)

I think that's probably the best advice I've recieved all day.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
dingdingdingdingding. You've hit the belittling other people alarm. Not really for you to judge is it.

I'm not particularly judging anyone. I think Christianity is so hypocritical it's beyond belief but that's a whole different debate.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I'm not particularly judging anyone. I think Christianity is so hypocritical it's beyond belief but that's a whole different debate.

No, actually, saying you think it's a load of bullshit is belittling someone else's belief, and saying that's a reason to stop them from giving money to christmas lights is judgement. What really makes me wonder, is why people think christianity is hypocritical, and no other faith is...

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Madgal99
Ha! It may be about celebrating the birth of jesus christ our saviour but I think that's a load of bullshit as well.

There you go again, thinking that your beliefs are better than everyone else's.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Kermit
There you go again, thinking that your beliefs are better than everyone else's.

I never once said my beliefs are better than anyone's.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I never once said my beliefs are better than anyone's.

No, you did.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
No, actually, saying you think it's a load of bullshit is belittling someone else's belief, and saying that's a reason to stop them from giving money to christmas lights is judgement. What really makes me wonder, is why people think christianity is hypocritical, and no other faith is...

You've taken me the wrong way love. I didn't say that it should stop anyone from giving some money to a lights fund and I highlighted christianity because that was the religion we were referring to.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
You've taken me the wrong way love. I didn't say that it should stop anyone from giving some money to a lights fund and I highlighted christianity because that was the religion we were referring to.

No, I havn't taken you the wrong way at all. Everything you've said has highlighted your own high-horse and dismissive attitude to anyone else's point of view.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
No, you did.

I'm not going to do the - 'you did. I didn't' thing because it's not very productive is it? I don't think my beliefs are better than anyone else's. I have my beliefs, you have yours and we'll all be happy together. ;)

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I'm not going to do the - 'you did. I didn't' thing because it's not very productive is it? I don't think my beliefs are better than anyone else's. I have my beliefs, you have yours and we'll all be happy together. ;)

well I'm glad you've managed to TOTALLY change your point of view in such a short space of time.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
No, I havn't taken you the wrong way at all. Everything you've said has highlighted your own high-horse and dismissive attitude to anyone else's point of view.

And you're telling me you've never been that high you couldn't get back down again? :yeees:

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[Madgal99]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
well I'm glad you've managed to TOTALLY change your point of view in such a short space of time.

Nope, it hasn't changed one iota, dear. That's where you'd be mistaken.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
I want more people to come to this forum, so stop scaring them off :p


:lol: sorry your ladyship. I won anyway, so I'm happy, perhaps I should read some engineering text books now.

[Madgal99]

Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
I want more people to come to this forum, so stop scaring them off :p

I think everyone here seems to have agreed that people can hold different opinions about what is a good cause to donate moeny to, no? Let's leave it at that.

There are some very stubborn people who can't leave things unless they feel they've had the last word and I admit I can be one of them at times but yes I agree, this thread is officially dead.

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[Kentish]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
I won anyway, so I'm happy
Not so fast. What's this I see?
Originally posted by Fiend_85
havn't
Careless :p

[Kentish]

Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
Good :) I now declare this debate over.

If anyone posts after me now I'm going to be rather annoyed...
Bugger.

*hides from GWST*

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kentish
Not so fast. What's this I see?

Careless :p

spanner monkeys! f'ing 'e'!!!!!!
anyway, you've made GWST angry now. :p

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[morrocan roll]

i donate quite a lot to bargain booze ...anyone have any problem with that?

[Kentish]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
i donate quite a lot to bargain booze ...anyone have any problem with that?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[bluestatesman]

Sounds like fun. There's so much bad in the world....people need to celebrate hope with light...which to me... is what all of the holidays this dark time of year do...do.