Spanish racist hooligans

[lukesh]

as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done? it was disgusting. but if it was england who had doen that god.... world news.... daming us racist!!

[relentless]

Originally posted by lukesh
but if it was england who had doen that god.... world news.... daming us racist!!

The story has recieved a lot of press.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
The story has recieved a lot of press. not good enough....as like i said if it was england there would be hell up!!

[relentless]

I think that kind of behaviour would be condemned the same way whatever country.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
I think that kind of behaviour would be condemned the same way whatever country. ok thats yor opinion, i think otherwise.

[relentless]

Cool, let's agree to disagree on this then.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
I think that kind of behaviour would be condemned the same way whatever country.

Actually, you're a lot wrong. Spain is enourmously racist, there was a thread on it a while back, one of the mods joined in to talk about what happened to her.

[relentless]

I have just come back to the UK from living in Spain and am fully aware of the racism that goes on over there.

What I'm trying to say is that if this had happened in England it would have recieved the same condemnation that Spain is recieving at the moment.

[dolly dagger]

I agree with Lukesh, if it had been England fans all hell would break loose, but with the Spanish they have been condemned but not by far enough in my opinion, they way they treated those players was disgusting, and the fact that the coach joined in too, that is bad, no England captain has ever been like that to my knowledge

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
I have just come back to the UK from living in Spain and am fully aware of the racism that goes on over there.

What I'm trying to say is that if this had happened in England it would have recieved the same condemnation that Spain is recieving at the moment.

I think you'll find, you're missing a major difference. Spain is being condemned for not doing enough, as are the racists themselve. Whereas the UK would have condemned it without ANY prompting at all.

[relentless]

I was referring to the condemnation that is coming from other countries, not from the Spanish foreign ministry.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
I was referring to the condemnation that is coming from other countries, not from the Spanish foreign ministry.

Well exactly the point. Spain are not doing enough. No-one gives a shit what other countries think.

[relentless]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
No-one gives a shit what other countries think.

When it comes to the Madrid bid it matters.

[girl with sharp teeth]

.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
When it comes to the Madrid bid it matters.


Really? You'd think they'd have made more of a fuss over it.

[relentless]

The Spanish certainly aren't helping themselves.

[Disillusioned]

I don’t think Madrid should have it got anyway. The Spanish had the Olympics in 1992, I also don’t think NYC should get it as the Americans have it recently. It should go to London or Paris as it’s been ages since either Britain or France had it.

[The Matadore]

Where is Aladdin? I dont see him rushing to the defence of his precious Spain and its bigoted poplation.

[Aladdin]

If you care to look in the sport forum you will see my views on the incident.

As for "bigoted population" do spare us the generalisation bullshit.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by The Matadore
Where is Aladdin? I dont see him rushing to the defence of his precious Spain and its bigoted poplation.

cock

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
I think that kind of behaviour would be condemned the same way whatever country.

actually no its blatantly clear if english fans done that, well actually a tiny amount still happens, the english black players, but nowhere to that level, if we done it to that level, we'd possibly be kicked out of tournaments by UEFA but as its not england who of course are seen as the troublemakers of europe, virtually nothing will happen

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
If you care to look in the sport forum you will see my views on the incident.

As for "bigoted population" do spare us the generalisation bullshit. bet u wud of loved stirring it up if it had bin england but my country is far more tolerant.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
cock bloody right though.

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Aladdin
If you care to look in the sport forum you will see my views on the incident.

As for "bigoted population" do spare us the generalisation bullshit.

actually luke does have a point to an extent, in this country if our manager said that about henry, he'd be sacked simple as, but your FA has done sod all and he hasnt apoligised either

your fans done the same, and theres little to no action done by your FA, says a lot about your FA and fact your media as a whole didnt mention it too much

your FA has literally done FA

[lukesh]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
actually luke does have a point to an extent, in this country if our manager said that about henry, he'd be sacked simple as, but your FA has done sod all and he hasnt apoligised either

your fans done the same, and theres little to no action done by your FA, says a lot about your FA and fact your media as a whole didnt mention it too much

your FA has literally done FA good post and spot on

[relentless]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
your FA has literally done FA

Actually the FA has sent a letter of apology.

"The letter ... categorically condemns this behavior, and reiterates its position against racism in football," the FA said. "The FA welcomes the response and now looks forward to receiving details from FIFA on its investigation initiated yesterday."

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
and fact your media as a whole didnt mention it too much

The issue figured prominently in the news pages as well as the sports press in Spain on Friday.

Story (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3177432)

And I'm sure once the FIFA inquiry has taken place further action will be taken.

[relentless]

Originally posted by lukesh
bloody right though.

How is classing all of Spain's population bigoted 'bloody right though'??

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
Actually the FA has sent a letter of apology.


Story (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3177432)

And I'm sure once the FIFA inquiry has taken place further action will be taken.

just had a read, seems like they were forced by the politics of their olympics bid etc etc and their government

in this country the manager would be sacked for comments like that, whats happened to manager, nothing, he aitn even apoligised

[relentless]

I must admit I was suprised about the comments Aragones made afterwards about Britain being 'racist colonisers'!

It wasn't the sort of apology I was expecting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/4017447.stm

[bluestatesman]

they were called racists on us news sites. One had a picture of them giving the finger. Why do people act dumb when they get in a stadium?

[marv]

I must admit I was suprised about the comments Aragones made afterwards about Britain being 'racist colonisers'!

I think Aragones needs a few History lessons, about Spains colonial past like say the destruction of the Incas and Aztecs for example.

[Whowhere]

They only apologised because if they didn't they'd lose out on the chance to host the olympics.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by lukesh
bloody right though. Are you being the same bigoted racist Matadore is, Luke? Do you agree with him that the population of Spain, 40 million of them, are bigoted based on the actions of a few idiots?

If that is case, can I say to you that (and apologies to everyone else, but with people like Luke or Matadore sometimes you have to resort to such levels of 'reasoning') that English men are all a bunch of fucking paedophiles, judging by all the incidents that have happened in the last few years in this country?

It is "bloody right", isn't it Luke?

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Do you agree with him that the population of Spain, 40 million of them, are bigoted based on the actions of a few idiots?



England is seen as a nation of thugs and criminals thanks to the actions of a few.

And the Spanish haven't helped themselves by being forced to make an apology.
I doubt very much the apology would have existed if the threat of removing Madrid's possibility of hosting the olympics hadn't been bandied about.

[Aladdin]

That doesn't mean that the population of Spain is racist though does it?

There has never been any other racist incident in Spain- despite having many black players playing every week. Racism cannot be that widespread then can it?

And racist incidents in England are not over. This is not to compare what country is the more racist- this is just to point out that it is bullshit to say an entire country is racist based on the actions of a few idiots.

I'm not saying the Spanish FA, the manager or even some of the media has acted properly- because they haven't. I'm saying Matadore's claims that "Spain's population is bigoted" are racist bigoted fucking bullshit claims to make. I'm not surprised that he made such comments though...

More surprised by Luke's agreement however- I hadn't thought of him as being so willing to agreeing to such bigoted generalisations.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
bloody right though.

so you think all Spaniards are racist too?

cock

[BlackArab]

I wouldn't say the Spanish are racist, especially having been there three times in recent years but I would agree in some ways with Matadore about European racism.

One thing I have noticed and other Black British friends of mine is the difference in mainland Europe and Britain. They seem to be about 30 years behind us in terms of race relations. This is from personal experiences but when I go to Europe I am shocked by the differences.

I walk down a city in this country and I see ethnic minorities in shops, banks, cafes doing the same things as everybody else. In Holland the only minorities I saw were dealers and prostitutes, in Spain the same bar a few hotel cleaners. People tell me the same of Germany and Belgium.

I'm sure its not the same all over Europe but I look at the the treatment of ethnic minotirties in the French suburbs, Turks in Belgium and Germany, Gypsies in Eastern Europe and the rise in Islamophobia and Anti- Semitism across Europe and I don't see the authorities or people making too much effort to change things.

Britain is no way perfect but is far ahead of the continent.

[lukesh]

omg man u giuys av got the wrong idea... i aint stereotyped at all. some of the spanish r racst yes but of course the makority are not, same with the uk.

all my point was that spain wont b damed as much as england wud of thats all.

[twisted_trinity]

Originally posted by lukesh
as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done? it was disgusting. but if it was england who had doen that god.... world news.... daming us racist!!

for fucks sake.

they have to put up with thousands of twats from england coming to live here every year, not speaking a word of spanish and no wish to intergrate. yet more thousands coming here every summer to get rat arsed.

draining their resource, taking their places in local schools, driving people out of there own villages, complaing of noise when they are practicing flamenco, disliking the food. and making a general nusance of themselves. take take take and no giving back.

i don't think that they are racist. just anti beckham and people who are reacking this lovely country. like me.

[Fiend_85]

Not really the point, though a thread on that would be lovely. The behaviour of spanish fans was not anti-england, it was anti-black.

[twisted_trinity]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Not really the point, though a thread on that would be lovely. The behaviour of spanish fans was not anti-england, it was anti-black.

well, i watched the match on tv. and i didn't notice any of it to be honest, but i will start a thread on the other subject.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by lukesh
as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done?Well this is just complete and utter nonsense isn't it. But then again it would normally take a racist to sweepingly generalise about a whole country's population based on the undesireable actions of a few.

Cock indeed!

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Well this is just complete and utter nonsense isn't it. But then again it would normally take a racist to sweepingly generalise about a whole country's population based on the undesireable actions of a few.

Cock indeed!

though avoiding/exonerating the behaviour of the racist fans amongst the populationg of spain to get at the way Lukesh words his posts equally cock like. He patently doesn't think that the entire population of spain racist, and picking him up on it is nothing but obstructive.

[lukesh]

i have already said i wasnt stereotyping

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
though avoiding/exonerating the behaviour of the racist fans amongst the populationg of spain to get at the way Lukesh words his posts equally cock like. He patently doesn't think that the entire population of spain racist, and picking him up on it is nothing but obstructive. He writes it...he gets picked up on it!

Or are you saying something completely different?

Now what's your point caller?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by lukesh
i have already said i wasnt stereotyping But you were lukesh dear...you were.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
He writes it...he gets picked up on it!

Or are you saying something completely different?

That's not picking him up on it and asking him to clarify, which he's already done, it's derailing the debate on the behaviour of the spanish fans

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Now what's your point caller?

Same as the point of the thread really, why do you think the spanish FA, fans and coach are getting off so lightly?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
But you were lukesh dear...you were. for fuck sake man i wasnt now ok??? now??"

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
That's not picking him up on it and asking him to clarify, which he's already done, it's derailing the debate on the behaviour of the spanish fans He generalised, he was picked up on it, now why do you have a problem with that? Listen lukesh, why don't you go back and rewrite your first post on this thread to clarify your true intentions like. Sounds awfully racist to me.

Now as for the behaviiour of a section of the Spanish fans, yes of course it is wrong and all manners of condemnation should follow. But to suggest for one moment that there would have been more of an outcry from the world's media if the perpertrators were English is indeed cock.
Same as the point of the thread really, why do you think the spanish FA, fans and coach are getting off so lightly?And who says that they will just waltz away from this unscathed then Fiend? You? FIFA? lukesh heaven forbid?

I think we should be told.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by lukesh
for fuck sake man i wasnt now ok??? now??" Oh I see that you have now repented my son. Well done :)

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
He generalised, he was picked up on it, now why do you have a problem with that?

He is dyslexic, and if it actually mattered I wouldn't have a problem, but you're using it to get at him personally, rather than as an aid to clarify debate.

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
And who says that they will just waltz away from this unscathed then Fiend? You? FIFA? lukesh heaven forbid?

I think we should be told.

I think the simple fact that the spain coach hasn't been sacked is a sign that they're already getting off or 'waltzing away' as you like to put it.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Oh I see that you have now repented my son. Well done :) go get shagged

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Oh I see that you have now repented my son. Well done :)

see, that's what I'm talking about, you're more interested in riling up Lukesh than in the debate at hand. Do you seriously think that the England team/FA/Fans country at large would be getting off as lightly as the Spanish are?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
see, that's what I'm talking about, you're more interested in riling up Lukesh than in the debate at hand. exactly

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
He is dyslexic, and if it actually mattered I wouldn't have a problem, but you're using it to get at him personally, rather than as an aid to clarify debate. So being dyslexic is an excuse to say "as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done?" Now the statement itself clearly states that the Spanish people are racist does it not? A whole nation is racist because of the actions of a few. That's what it reads like to me.

Now that statement is either racist, the mutterings of a dribbling fool or just out and out ignorance. One thing it most certainly cannot be attributed to is Dyslexia.

[eternalsunshine]

It's the pot calling the kettle black

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So being dyslexic is an excuse to say "as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done?" Now the statement itself clearly states that the Spanish people are racist does it not? A whole nation is racist because of the actions of a few. That's what it reads like to me.

Now that statement is either racist, the mutterings of a dribbling fool or just out and out ignorance. One thing it most certainly cannot be attributed to is Dyslexia.

It can be attributed to dyselxia in the sense that it is unfair to expect perfect grammar from a dyselxic 16 yr old boy, who from his own admission, also hasn't had the best education in the world. His grammar is not under scrutiny here, the behaviour of Spain at large is.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So being dyslexic is an excuse to say "as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done?" Now the statement itself clearly states that the Spanish people are racist does it not? A whole nation is racist because of the actions of a few. That's what it reads like to me.

Now that statement is either racist, the mutterings of a dribbling fool or just out and out ignorance. One thing it most certainly cannot be attributed to is Dyslexia. for gods sake get a life... i wasn't stereotyping

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
It can be attributed to dyselxia in the sense that it is unfair to expect perfect grammar from a dyselxic 16 yr old boy, who from his own admission, also hasn't had the best education in the world. His grammar is not under scrutiny here, the behaviour of Spain at large is. **

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
It can be attributed to dyselxia in the sense that it is unfair to expect perfect grammar from a dyselxic 16 yr old boy, who from his own admission, also hasn't had the best education in the world. His grammar is not under scrutiny here, the behaviour of Spain at large is. No...his initial statement is under scrutiny here. He made a racist statement concerning a racist incident/incidents and dyslexia and/or poor education has got bugger all to do with it. It was a racist statement that should be challenged at every turn...exactly the same as the actions of the racist Spanish football fans should be challenged at every turn.

It's quite simple when you think about it really.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
No...his initial statement is under scrutiny here. He made a racist statement concerning a racist incident/incidents and dyslexia and/or poor education has got bugger all to do with it. It was a racist statement that should be challenged at every turn...exactly the same as the actions of the racist Spanish football fans should be challenged at every turn.

It's quite simple when you think about it really.

it's quite unnecessary when you think about it really

Any further comments on the Actual topic at hand?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
No...his initial statement is under scrutiny here. He made a racist statement concerning a racist incident/incidents and dyslexia and/or poor education has got bugger all to do with it. It was a racist statement that should be challenged at every turn...exactly the same as the actions of the racist Spanish football fans should be challenged at every turn.

It's quite simple when you think about it really. ihave already said i wasn;t stereotyping your just making a row now so shut up!!

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by lukesh
ihave already said i wasn;t stereotyping your just making a row now so shut up!! But you were stereotyping lukesh and no I will not shut up!!

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
But you were stereotyping lukesh and no I will not shut up!!

No he wasn't, funny how you didn't pick up on my deliberate mistake isn't it? Do you actually care? or are you really just getting at him? because the way you're acting, it's the latter.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
iAny further comments on the Actual topic at hand? Yup! Racism is wrong and should be challenged at every turn.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
No he wasn't... Oh yes he was...

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Oh yes he was...

Sorry? not addressing the rest of the post? not being selectivly aggressive against Lukesh are you? because victimising one person is to be equated with racism.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
No he wasn't, funny how you didn't pick up on my deliberate mistake isn't it? Do you actually care? or are you really just getting at him? because the way you're acting, it's the latter. fiend ignor the idiot.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Sorry? not addressing the rest of the post? Did I not say that racism is completely unacceptable in any shape or form? I'm sure I did. because victimising one person is to be equated with racism.So I am now being equated with racists because I challenged lukesh's initial racist statement? You're funny :)

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by lukesh
fiend ignor the idiot. Ever thought about book burning lukesh?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Did I not say that racism is completely unacceptable in any shape or form? I'm sure I did. So I am now being equated with racists because I challenged lukesh's initial racist statement? You're funny :) you're sad. absolutley sad.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Ever thought about book burning lukesh? ever thought about getting a life?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by lukesh
you're sad. absolutley sad. Well at least you're not ignoring me lukesh. You've got to admit that your original post was in effect racist though.

[Fiend_85]

Blatantly, it was not a racist statement, it was a mistake in wording and grammar, and you know that. You are getting at lukesh, and therefore being a hypocrite.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Blatantly, it was not a racist statement, it was a mistake in wording and grammar, and you know that. You are getting at lukesh, and therefore being a hypocrite. So how did you read the initial statement then? Oh and please don't give me all that dyslexia shit coz it don't wash here matey. It was blatantly a racist statement full stop.

Who are you anyway? His mother?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So how did you read the initial statement then? Oh and please don't give me all that dyslexia shit coz it don't wash here matey. It was blatantly a racist statement full stop.

Who are you anyway? His mother? you're obviously sad and need something to cheer you up. get a life.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by lukesh
you're obviously sad and need something to cheer you up. get a life. Debating with racists cheers me up no end lukesh. I just love the smell of their bullshit first thing in the morning :)

[lukesh]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Debating with racists cheers me up no end lukesh. I just love the smell of their bullshit first thing in the morning :) how sad man.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by The Matadore
Where is Aladdin? I dont see him rushing to the defence of his precious Spain and its bigoted poplation. One of your mates lukesh? Seems as if he read your first post exactly the same way I had.

Funny that innit.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Actually, you're a lot wrong. Spain is enourmously racist... Are you a racist Fiend?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Are you a racist Fiend?

yes. yes I am, you can tell that by taking my post out of context, and totally ignoring everything else I've ever posted. :rolleyes:

[eternalsunshine]

Are you well :)

[eternalsunshine]

I fucking hate racists me

[wheresmyplacebo]

i think theyre trying to say if yuo rad my posts before, that spanish FA was really forced to apoligise and, they havent done sod all bout the manager whilst in this country if our manger said someting like that and the fans wre like that, we'd sack our manager andbe kicked out of UEFA full stop

im sure the spanish popultion against it, shame your FA and football fans arent!!!

[Spliffie]

Big deal, some monkey noises get made at some english players, goes on every week in most countries. Part and parcel of the game, black, ginger or fat...anything that can get slagged will get slagged.

Too many easily-shocked bleeding heart types moaning about what goes on at football :rolleyes: .

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Big deal, some monkey noises get made at some english players, goes on every week in most countries. Part and parcel of the game, black, ginger or fat...anything that can get slagged will get slagged.

Too many easily-shocked bleeding heart types moaning about what goes on at football :rolleyes: . So you think that racial abuse is acceptable Spliffie?

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So you think that racial abuse is acceptable Spliffie?

Just as acceptable as any other football chants. You fat bastard etc. Big deal. If I was getting paid £50k per week and got a bit of racial abuse, i couldn't give a flying fuck.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Just as acceptable as any other football chants. You fat bastard etc. Big deal. If I was getting paid £50k per week and got a bit of racial abuse, i couldn't give a flying fuck. So you don't find it objectionable...is that what you're trying to say?

What about anti-semitism Spiffle...do you find that acceptable?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Big deal. If I was getting paid £50k per week and got a bit of racial abuse, i couldn't give a flying fuck. Are you black Spliffie?

Or are you just trying to project yourself into that position :D

[Spliffie]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Remember i'm from central scotland, there's plenty of sectarian shit up here...someone calls me an orange bastard, it's water off a duck's back. Too much fussing over a bit of football. Then again, that's just big money trying to make football acceptable so they can fill the stadiums with the 'new' type of supporter :rolleyes: .

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Spliffie
I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Remember i'm from central scotland, there's plenty of sectarian shit up here...someone calls me an orange bastard, it's water off a duck's back. Too much fussing over a bit of football. Then again, that's just big money trying to make football acceptable so they can fill the stadiums with the 'new' type of supporter :rolleyes: . Hmm so racial abuse, anti semetism, islamophobia, sexism, sectarianism, anti-catholocism are all ok in your book because it is just a game of football?

What a shallow, blinkered little world you live in Spliffie.

I think I know your mentallity.

[MrG]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So being dyslexic is an excuse to say "as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done?" Now the statement itself clearly states that the Spanish people are racist does it not? A whole nation is racist because of the actions of a few. That's what it reads like to me.

Now that statement is either racist, the mutterings of a dribbling fool or just out and out ignorance. One thing it most certainly cannot be attributed to is Dyslexia.

ok the racists at the football match were spanish citizens, so saying "as anyone heard what the racist spanish people have done?" isnt in my eyes swathing the entire population with the same brush

saying "as anyone heard what all the spanish people have done?" would be however a sweeping comment

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Hmm so racial abuse, anti semetism, islamophobia, sexism, sectarianism, anti-catholocism are all ok in your book because it is just a game of football?

What a shallow, blinkered little world you live in Spliffie.

I think I know your mentallity.

Yeah, like you can tell how shallow or blinkered someone you know nothing about is through a post on an internet forum :rolleyes:.

Are you even a football fan? If people think the crowds are too abusive/violent/whatever then they can fuck off to a rugby game instead. As i said, it's big business trying to get the "new" type of family-based fans into the stadiums :rolleyes: The 70's & 80's was when the real game was at it's peak ;)

I have no sympathy for multi-millionaire players complaining about abusive chants from the crowd. Anyone who's met professional footballers knows what they're like.

There's a clear line that shouldn't be crossed, shouting abuse at games is part and parcel of what football is about, it creates the atmosphere.

[Doofay]

Don't assume that these viewpoints are my views in the slightest, just something for you to think about, but whos to say that we're right and they're wrong, just because of the way we've been educated?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Yeah, like you can tell how shallow or blinkered someone you know nothing about is through a post on an internet forum :rolleyes:. Well you've just admmited that you are a DOB. Needs no real comment from me does it.
there's a clear line that shouldn't be crossed, shouting abuse at games is part and parcel of what football is about, it creates the atmosphere. Yeah a good bit of racism/sectarianism never done anybody any wrong.

Aint that right Spliffie :)

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Spliffie

Are you even a football fan? If people think the crowds are too abusive/violent/whatever then they can fuck off to a rugby game instead. As i said, it's big business trying to get the "new" type of family-based fans into the stadiums :rolleyes: The 70's & 80's was when the real game was at it's peak ;)



70s & 80s? wouldn't know myself, the racist chanting, selling of neo-Nazi literature openly on the terraces, the very real threat of being verbally and physically assaulted just living near a ground etc tended to put me off.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by BlackArab
70s & 80s? wouldn't know myself, the racist chanting, selling of neo-Nazi literature openly on the terraces, the very real threat of being verbally and physically assaulted just living near a ground etc tended to put me off. Well I think it would put quite a few people off if truth be told.

It really shouldn't be this way should it

[MrG]

heres a llama
theres a llama
and another little llama
fuzzy llama
funny llama
llama llama
duck

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by MrG
heres a llama
theres a llama
and another little llama
fuzzy llama
funny llama
llama llama
duck

*chuckles*

Dude, it's a LLAMA!

[MrG]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
*chuckles*

Dude, it's a LLAMA!

hey that sounds about as good as a film a recently saw, both been absolute crapola

"Dude wheres my LLAMA?"

[Bri-namite]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Well you've just admmited that you are a DOB. Needs no real comment from me does it.


Quite.

Until we sort out the likes of Rangers Football Club and their scumbag fans (and believe me when I say that it's not a minority who rejoice in the death of Catholics every Saturday), we've no right to start taking the moral high ground and saying all that racist/bigoted nonsense is behind us in the 80's.

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by Bri-namite
Quite.

Until we sort out the likes of Rangers Football Club and their scumbag fans (and believe me when I say that it's not a minority who rejoice in the death of Catholics every Saturday), we've no right to start taking the moral high ground and saying all that racist/bigoted nonsense is behind us in the 80's.

How is that taking the moral high ground you utter mug?

You never seen celtic fans wanking off over the likes of Gerry Adams, Bobby Sands, the provo's...?? Get a fucking grip you fool.

You need to get your head sorted out.

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Well I think it would put quite a few people off if truth be told.

It really shouldn't be this way should it

Coming from someone who isn't a supporter of the game and knows nothing about it.

If it puts that many people off then care to explain why attendances have gone DOWN since football's tried to clean itself up??

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by BlackArab
70s & 80s? wouldn't know myself, the racist chanting, selling of neo-Nazi literature openly on the terraces, the very real threat of being verbally and physically assaulted just living near a ground etc tended to put me off.

Football used to be about the masses getting a release, getting drunk, getting a good atmosphere going, and getting a good punch-up. If that wasn't your thing, follow another sport.

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Football used to be about the masses getting a release, getting drunk, getting a good atmosphere going, and getting a good punch-up. If that wasn't your thing, follow another sport.

add being a prick to the list :thumb:

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by BeckyBoo
add being a prick to the list :thumb:

Coming from a silly little girl who feels the need to express herself on the internet with a "live journal"...

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Coming from a silly little girl who feels the need to express herself on the internet with a "live journal"...

I'd bet next months wages that she's older than you.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I'd bet next months wages that she's older than you.

doubled. She so is.

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Football used to be about the masses getting a release, getting drunk, getting a good atmosphere going, and getting a good punch-up. If that wasn't your thing, follow another sport.

I still do the first three every game, what sport are you watching?

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by BlackArab
I still do the first three every game, what sport are you watching?

No real point in arguing it anymore, fact is football is heading towards a rugby style of support, which is a shame. Ruined by big money and this ridiculous "everyone-hold-hands-and-be-friends" attitude.

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Coming from someone who isn't a supporter of the game and knows nothing about it.

If it puts that many people off then care to explain why attendances have gone DOWN since football's tried to clean itself up??

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveengall.htm

What can we say about these stats then?

Are they falling throughout the 70s and 80s?

Are they rising from the 90s onwards?

:confused:

[Spliffie]

Originally posted by BlackArab
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveengall.htm

What can we say about these stats then?

:confused:

They're wrong. Everyone knows football had a bigger attendance in the days of the terraces.

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Spliffie
They're wrong. Everyone knows football had a bigger attendance in the days of the terraces.


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surprise, surprise eh

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Spliffie
Coming from a silly little girl who feels the need to express herself on the internet with a "live journal"...


:lol: :lol: :lol:



By the way, I didnt mean you exactly, unless of course your one of the pricks that would be getting drunk, getting a good atmosphere going, and getting a good punch-up.


pssttt Im probably old enough to be your Mother :lol: :lol: :lol:

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Spliffie
They're wrong. Everyone knows football had a bigger attendance in the days of the terraces. ...and many more deaths of course

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Spliffie
They're wrong. Everyone knows football had a bigger attendance in the days of the terraces.

haha, you're going to be LOADS of fun.

[*DEVIL*]

Twisted whatever its called, said that the brits come over causing trouble sepaking no Spanish -- whats this then a fact or a generalisation. As i know that when i go abroad i have the utmost respect for others hence trying to speak a little spanish when asking for the bill, or ordering food and drink. Basic spanish shows a little respect!

I find twisted_things post quite offensive itself.

Brits are known as football hooligans abroad, when they play more police emplyed to handle them? is that generalising brits at a footy match or just being sensible? SELF PROPHESISING THEORY ANYONE? Label them trashy hooligans get the behaviour?

Labels are damaging, the spanish are not racist, but they clearly have a problem the fact that banning them from the tournament, and stopping olympic bid provoked an apology!

Why has nothing been done?
What is going to happen?
When is it going to happen?
Is it different over here?

People generalise everyday, most have generalised to get a point across.

No not all brits are paedophiles! no not all spanish people are racst! no not all brits abroad are scum and no they are not football hooligans!