Hollyoaks and Dope

[Zella]

Having been a fan of hollyoaks for a long time (sad I know) I am really shocked about the way they are dealing with the issue of cannabis. The guy whos's ment to be on weed is being made out to be this total twat, because of the drugs. He's selling his clothes, being agressive, stealing, acting like he's on crack as well.
They have even done the make up in such a way that he looks like he's on herion. I'm so pissed off!
Its taken me years to try and convince my parents that cannabis is a harmless drug and its not everyone that become effected like that.
I knew one guy who did spaz out when he was high, but then I knew a hundred others who didnt.

All this drug awareness making cannabis seem safer has all been fucked out by this program!

[Shogun]

What can you do about it though?

It just shows how stupid and uninformed the media is.

If you were trying to convince your parents you could say "look, i've been smoking it __(whatever length of time)..do i looked or act wierd or anything, have you noticed anything wrong with me".

Cannabis can be harmful though to some people, it all depends on the person using the drug, some can use it fine for years with heavy use but some go all fucked up in the head because of their use.

[morrocan roll]

all my life zella i have seen this disinformation ...
i have a lot of responsibilities in life which i won't go into here.
i'm thought of as a nice guy ...a guy you can rely on ...a guy you can trust ...a guy who will go out of his way ...a reliable person.
but ...i smoke ...

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by Zella
Having been a fan of hollyoaks for a long time (sad I know) I am really shocked about the way they are dealing with the issue of cannabis. The guy whos's ment to be on weed is being made out to be this total twat, because of the drugs. He's selling his clothes, being agressive, stealing, acting like he's on crack as well.
They have even done the make up in such a way that he looks like he's on herion. I'm so pissed off!
Its taken me years to try and convince my parents that cannabis is a harmless drug and its not everyone that become effected like that.
I knew one guy who did spaz out when he was high, but then I knew a hundred others who didnt.

All this drug awareness making cannabis seem safer has all been fucked out by this program!

OMG i was gonna post a thread the exact same as this a few days ago, i never watch it but when i was flicking through the channels i saw a bit of dope so i thought, i'll watch this and it was that episode when she blamed his cannabis use for him stealing stuff or something, i just busted out laughing and sorta got angry at how the made cannabis look, they're giving it a far worse impression than it deserves.

[rachie004]

It just brings everything back to square one on all levels..

one of my mates who isn't particular keen on drugs brough it up with me

it's so irritaitng that it can be portrayed so wrongly

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
all my life zella i have seen this disinformation ...
i have a lot of responsibilities in life which i won't go into here.
i'm thought of as a nice guy ...a guy you can rely on ...a guy you can trust ...a guy who will go out of his way ...a reliable person.
but ...i smoke ...

i see myself as a dead on sorta person who is helpful and can be trusted, smoking cannabis does't mean i'm some sorta thieving drug addict monster. smoking cannabis doesn't mean shit to anything at the end of the day, it's just a buzz.

[Shogun]

It's only having a toke, some people make too much of a big deal of smoking cannabis but alot of 'respectable' people smoke dope, look at all the musicians and actors and famous people over the years who have smoked dope, if you wanted you could search through here for all the famous users of cannabis, i think mroll posted it.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by turlough
i it's just a buzz. thats true but ...it is so much more for me.
but thats me.
for me ...it is my spirituality. it is my truth. it is my way of dealing with a world i don't much like but have to live in.
it is my valium my viagra my opium my aspirin.
and no ...i'm not a cannabis addict or a complete stoner.
i use ...not abuse.
when i did abuse the stuff ...i was having a rare old good time i can tell ya!

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
thats true but ...it is so much more for me.
but thats me.
for me ...it is my spirituality. it is my truth. it is my way of dealing with a world i don't much like but have to live in.
it is my valium my viagra my opium my aspirin.
and no ...i'm not a cannabis addict or a complete stoner.
i use ...not abuse.
when i did abuse the stuff ...i was having a rare old good time i can tell ya!

:lol: yea i can see where ya comin from but for me, cannabis is only a key in a series of locks and combinations to a door that is the truth, i've experienced this "key" and it's opened certain doors but it's nothing i couldn't live with if i never had the chance to smoke it again, as i said, it's just a buzz but yes at the same time it's more than just a buzz, its a spiritual enhancer.

[Zella]

Originally posted by Shogun

If you were trying to convince your parents you could say "look, i've been smoking it __(whatever length of time)..do i looked or act wierd or anything, have you noticed anything wrong with me".


I may want them to understand it better but I dont want to be disownd. I use my mates as an example instead of me. But they know my sisters do it so they must know that it dont turn you into theiving scum.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by Zella
But they know my sisters do it so they must know that it dont turn you into theiving scum.

but it does, it's the scum of the earth, turns decent people into hoodlums and murderers, lets lock up our sons and daugters, there's a stoner on the loose :rolleyes:

[Shogun]

Originally posted by Zella
I may want them to understand it better but I dont want to be disownd. I use my mates as an example instead of me. But they know my sisters do it so they must know that it dont turn you into theiving scum.

I suppose they know the craic then and your probably better off just you saying nothing and them saying nothing, that way you can still toke away and say nothing.

[Martin_Bashir]

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This is the sort of information that was put out in 1989 about E, shortly after The Sun withdrew its smiley face t shirt coupon offer. They had offered readers (in a shameless money making scheme) the chance to be at the front of the 'Acid House Craze' and to be the 'Coolest groover on the dancefloor' with these shirts, shortly before they realised what they were talking about.

Is it any wonder that so many people have chosen to ignore or take with a pinch of salt alot of harm prevention advice, in light of blatant (historical) lies such as this, or (current) glaring innaccuracies in drug advice:rolleyes:

[rachie004]

Turlough is right..

canabis is the route of all evil..

one toke and bam you're a raging heroin addict! :rolleyes:

[budda]

Nothing new really, I've been working against the governments information for a while now.

[budda]

Whats really scary is that peice on MDMA there isnt that far away from the BBC coverage of that trial involving people who said they had used GHB.

"I was hallucinating and pulled her teeth out, its not my fault it was the devil drug."

No, you're just a dangerous nutter.

[dolly dagger]

The protrayal is a bit rubbish, but it can't really encourage the use of it, when such young kids are watching.

[budda]

Ta da! And from the BBC too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2496527.stm

[Martin_Bashir]

hmmmm. maybe another case of not enough emphasis being placed upon the user's brain, rather than the drug itself:confused:

[dolly dagger]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Whats really scary is that peice on MDMA there isnt that far away from the BBC coverage of that trial involving people who said they had used GHB.

"I was hallucinating and pulled her teeth out, its not my fault it was the devil drug."

No, you're just a dangerous nutter.

That story's messed up, i've heard some crazy things about that drug, similar stories.

[budda]

Originally posted by dolly dagger
That story's messed up, i've heard some crazy things about that drug, similar stories.

The story is complete and absolute fiction as far as the drug is concerned. It does not under any situation make you hallucinate. Its a sedative, an anesthetic and nothing more.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Nothing new really, I've been working against the governments information for a while now.

who supplies the government information about drugs, have they got a bias, seems so.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by bongbudda
The story is complete and absolute fiction as far as the drug is concerned. It does not under any situation make you hallucinate. Its a sedative, an anesthetic and nothing more.

you're right but it's a strong sedative, a first time user wouldn't know only small amounts are needed and could take a huge mouthful, i got an euphoric feeling from it, bit like E, never hallucinated like.

[budda]

Not really, its the government asking loaded questions.

"What harm does MDMA do?"

Is VERY different from asking,

"Does MDMA do harm?"

[budda]

Originally posted by turlough
you're right but it's a strong sedative, a first time user wouldn't know only small amounts are needed and could take a huge mouthful, i got an euphoric feeling from it, bit like E, never hallucinated like.

Its a strong anesthetic and the dosage curve is steep, but unless mixed with other depressants its actually reasonably hard to OD on.

[dolly dagger]

Originally posted by bongbudda
The story is complete and absolute fiction as far as the drug is concerned. It does not under any situation make you hallucinate. Its a sedative, an anesthetic and nothing more.

Ok, but i have heard of people doing messed up things on the drug, maybe it wasn't the drug, possibly the people were just crazy? I don't know much about the drug really, so i can't comment on it from experience, just stuff i've heard.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Its a strong anesthetic and the dosage curve is steep, but unless mixed with other depressants its actually reasonably hard to OD on.

didn't know that cos me and my mate used to always do it then one night we got a carryout and did it, i puked up and had blurry vision and he passed out for a while, started foamin, we freaked out and never did it again.

[budda]

You can 'mess up' on it relatively easily because as with any anesthetic you can knock yourself out.

So obviously if your in a club and you take too much then you're not exactly totally safe.

As with any depressant its also a drug that doesnt mix well with other drugs. It makes it more unpredictable, and is VERY dangerous if mixed with alcohol.

[budda]

Originally posted by turlough
didn't know that cos me and my mate used to always do it then one night we got a carryout and did it, i puked up and had blurry vision and he passed out for a while, started foamin, we freaked out and never did it again.

Well yeah, that does happen when you mix two depressants. Thats not really the fault of the drug, its a failing of drug education.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Well yeah, that does happen when you mix two depressants. Thats not really the fault of the drug, its a failing of drug education.

i know but i'm still alive and what doesn't kill ya only makes you stronger :)

[budda]

Physically GHB is virtually the safest drug use can use on the planet.

[Zella]

Originally posted by dolly dagger
The protrayal is a bit rubbish, but it can't really encourage the use of it, when such young kids are watching.
Thats a rubbish excuse!! They have lots of sex, wear tiny tiny skirts in december, swear, fight, binge drink, yet your saying that they cant be truthful because of children?? Bullshit.

[budda]

I think what she was suggesting was that they can not be seen to be putting forward a positive image of cannabis at that time of the day.

To be honest I think there are more than enough thruthful reason why kids and young adults shouldnt be smoking. You dont have to make anything up.

[dolly dagger]

Originally posted by Zella
Thats a rubbish excuse!! They have lots of sex, wear tiny tiny skirts in december, swear, fight, binge drink, yet your saying that they cant be truthful because of children?? Bullshit.

I totally agree with you, I am yet to see an episode of Hollyoaks where sex isn’t featured. But, like Bong said, it would be very hard for the makers of the programme to give an honest portrayal of dope smokers without appearing to be encouraging or condoning it.

[budda]

I dont think it would be, as I said there are loads of reasons young people shouldnt be using cannabis.

[Martin_Bashir]

But, like Bong said, it would be very hard for the makers of the programme to give an honest portrayal of dope smokers without appearing to be encouraging or condoning it.

Thats because the truth doesnt involve an outright condemnation and labelling of something as evil, and is also a big reason why useful drug education, research and discussion has been stifled so.

[dolly dagger]

Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
Thats because the truth doesnt involve an outright condemnation and labelling of something as evil, and is also a big reason why useful drug education, research and discussion has been stifled so.

I know, but parents don't care about the truth they just want their kids to not do drugs.

[budda]

Scare tactics never work though do they.

I think we all know how successful the 'Just Say No' campaign was.

[Martin_Bashir]

I know, but parents don't care about the truth they just want their kids to not do drugs.

and all parents want their kids to have the best jobs, education, house, partner and to always be happy.

Thats is by very definition what they want. Unfortunately they dont agree on the best way to implement this philosophy.

Admirable intentions do not always precipitate the best way to act.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
and all parents want their kids to have the best jobs, education, house, partner and to always be happy.

Thats is by very definition what they want. Unfortunately they dont agree on the best way to implement this philosophy.

Admirable intentions do not always precipitate the best way to act.

true, drugs are seen as a deterrent to sucess

[Martin_Bashir]

true, drugs are seen as a deterrent to sucess

we've had this conversation before, and im sure you agreed when i said you probably could have done even better than you did at college if you were'nt using.

Cannabis is a definate inhibitor to acdemic success; to what degree will vary between people and rate of use.

[Nash]

If you've seen it lately the geezer who's been smoking slapped his mother, all this cuz of a smoke lol

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by Nash
If you've seen it lately the geezer who's been smoking slapped his mother, all this cuz of a smoke lol

:rolleyes: you never want to be violent when you smoke

[budda]

Originally posted by turlough
:rolleyes: you never want to be violent when you smoke

Dont say never, people react to different drugs differently.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Dont say never, people react to different drugs differently.

i know but generally, whenever you smoke a few spliffs you just sit in a hazy bubble, fighting definately the last thing on your mind

[Martin_Bashir]

i think irritability can be a common side effect of regular marijuana use.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
i think irritability can be a common side effect of regular marijuana use. not come across that one marti.

[Spliffie]

Part of withdrawal if you've being smoking too much for too long ;)

[CheeseOnToast]

Has anyone been watching Jack getting off it on Neighbours?

Fucking wide eyed bastard can't act to save his life... at least they aren't blaming it all on the drugs though ;) and there's a bent copper involved :D

[Martin_Bashir]

not come across that one marti.

roll (with the greatest respect) with the level of drug use that you describe yourself as having experienced, that doesnt surprise me. There ARE people who can cain loads for a very long period of time and suffer less negative effects than others, but i swear to god if i had even experienced a fraction of your usage (especially with stimulants) i would not be here or i would make Shaun Ryder look like a Neurology professor.

I know many people who recognise this as a side effect of regular marijuana use, that is not so present when the drug use is removed. :D

[melanie]

I have to say im with Martin_Bashir on this one.
One of my house "mates" is a very heavy marijuana user. He is the most skitso person that i know. All his old friends say that he never used to be like that. He screams at the walls, thinks there talking to him, and has pulled a £/$ ton vending machine on top of himself because it is evil.

I think that the weed in its self causes him to act like this and many of his old friends are as sure as they could possibly be that the weed trigured this side to him.

When he isnt stoned (you can tell just by looking at him as he tends to get himself in a right state) he is ok, says hello if you pass him in the hall, has a conversation with people. Where as when he is stoned he is unbearable and is either completley ignorant or screaming abuse at you, an inanimate object, the walls, just anything that takes his fancy really.

He has been known to be physically thretening towards people however i dont think that this has turned into actual violence against a person yet. I use the word yet as no one can trust him at all and whilst he is around he is not the only one that is paranoid.

I know that this is a very extreme case but things like this do occur and like bong said drugs do affect everyone in different ways

[budda]

To be honest Mel, it sounds a lot like the cannabis is just making worse a situation that was already there.

To blame anyones action on the drug purely is really missing half or more of the picture. The set and setting of the experience play's such a vital role.

Thats why I'm always a little annoyed when people say "oh it wasnt my fault I was drunk/stonned/high" because its not like the booze/whatever pushed itself down their neck.

[melanie]

I only think that the drug causes him to act in that way, because he is "normal" for need of a better word when he is not stoned and gets progresivley worse the more he smokes