justice for captain hook?

[major_tom]

hooray! justice has finally caught up with abu hamza, facing 16 different charges in court, including incitement to murder and inciting racial hatred. trouble is, he will cost the taxpayer considerably more in hmp belmarsh, than he previously did outside ( even with all the benefits he was creaming off the infidel taxpayer) how long should he serve in prison here, or should we have let the americans fry his beard in 'ole sparky'?

[Kermit]

Just this once, I'd give him to the Americans.

Much as I loathe the death penalty, and believe that we should never extradite to a country that has it, some people just deserve to do the sit-down dance.

My only worry is that by killing the cunt we'd make him a martyr.

[morrocan roll]

boil him down for chipfat.

[Whowhere]

boil him IN chip fat :lol:

[Disillusioned]

Hand him over to the Americans. Is the UK even capable of bringing him to justice anyway? I’m sure the human rights groups and human rights lawyers are already queuing up to express their outrage…And even if they did bring him to justice he’d probably get a light sentence…And for his safety they’ll probably give him his own special wing. Ship him off to Gitmo.

[morrocan roll]

he reminds me of captain pugwash.

[morrocan roll]

he'll be fantastic in the prison panto!

[major_tom]

i think the prison officers should do a daily rectal cavity search................using his hook.

[freethepeeps]

*wanders in - peers around - sees a bunch of small minded bigots - leaves*

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by major_tom
i think the prison officers should do a daily rectal cavity search................using his hook. chop his other hand off ...two hooks ...then let all the other prisoners watch him wipe his arse ...

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
*wanders in - peers around - sees a bunch of small minded bigots - leaves* fuck off.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
*wanders in - peers around - sees a bunch of small minded bigots - leaves*

:wave:

So you're saying that Hamza isn't evil.

Could've fooled me.

He deserves to die.

Originally posted by morrocan roll
fuck off.

That was my other reaction.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
fuck off.

Can't you read?

The hang em and flog em brigade has no attraction for me.....

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Can't you read?

The hang em and flog em brigade has no attraction for me.....

Nor me.

But for some an exception should always be found.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Can't you read?

The hang em and flog em brigade has no attraction for me..... pssst ...i think theres a thing called humour going on here ...

[Fiend_85]

Dude, don't say that out loud, we're supposed to be humourless shells in here.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
pssst ...i think theres a thing called humour going on here ...

heh heh - like on the shit/bastard/prick thread eh - a larf a minute

:lol:

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Kermit
Nor me.

But for some an exception should always be found. ...erm I have a slight problem here. Surely one is either for or against the death penalty, how can anyone suspend their belief in opposing the death penalty and then make an exception to that rule. My god it would seem here that you lot have already tried and judged this man and are prepared to extradite him to the fascist US administration's highly illegal Guantanamo bay.

I reckon that we should get Griffin and all his goons, round them all up alongside the neo-nazis from the NF and Stormfront and chuck them into solitary confinement...torture them in Bellmarsh for a couple of years and then gloat at the psychological damage we have inflicted upon them.

Just a thought :)

[Kermit]

It depends on why one is against the death penalty.

I'm against it because I believe that keeping the fuckers alive is a worse punishment. And it's cheaper for us.

The commies are worse than the far right though. far more dangerous, far more wrong, far more in need of a good beating.

[major_tom]

if we had stamped on hamza the minute he commited a crime, "griffin and his goons'' wouldn't have much to whinge about and less people would vote for them.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Kermit
It depends on why one is against the death penalty.

I'm against it because I believe that keeping the fuckers alive is a worse punishment. And it's cheaper for us.

The commies are worse than the far right though. far more dangerous, far more wrong, far more in need of a good beating. So you are only against the death penalty because of cost factors? Really? Nothing to do with justice, human decency and the possibilities of making devastating, irreversable fatal mistakes?

Are you of the far right Kermit?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So you are only against the death penalty because of cost factors? Really? Nothing to do with justice, human decency and the possibilities of making devastating, irreversable fatal mistakes?

Are you of the far right Kermit?

Did you read that post at all?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by major_tom
if we had stamped on hamza the minute he commited a crime, "griffin and his goons'' wouldn't have much to whinge about and less people would vote for them. So we should do the bidding of "griffin and his goons'' to placate them. I'm sure Griffin, the BNP, NF and Stormfront must be rubbing their hands together. Hell who needs electoral positions when you've got the mainstream parties to do all your bidding.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Did you read that post at all? Did you read my post at all...or are you just going to tell me to shut up again?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by major_tom
if we had stamped on hamza the minute he commited a crime, "griffin and his goons'' wouldn't have much to whinge about and less people would vote for them.

judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner,judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner.judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner,judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner.judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner,judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner..........................

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Did you read my post at all...or are you just going to tell me to shut up again?

I read yours, that's how I know you didn't read Kermit's.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
I read yours, that's how I know you didn't read Kermit's.

well said, hey sunshine, read his post again please

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by turlough
well said, hey sunshine, read his post again please

I bow to you sir.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So you are only against the death penalty because of cost factors? Really? Nothing to do with justice, human decency and the possibilities of making devastating, irreversable fatal mistakes?

Are you of the far right Kermit?

Mistakes is the other big reason.

Justice and decency? You mean like how those on death row showed justice and human decency to their victims.

I didn't see Abu Mamia showing any leniency or decency to that copper. Why should he be shown any?

I didn't see Ian Brady showing any justice or clemency to the children he brutally murdered. Why should he be shown any?

I say keep them alive because it's worse for them. And it's cheaper. And if there is a fuck up it's only 25 years of a person's life wanked away, not an entire life.

But i would have no problem giving Hamza to teh Yanks. It's not as if there could be a miscarriage of justice, as it's SO DAMN OBVIOUS.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner,judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner.judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner,judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner.judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner,judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner, judge, jury, executioner..........................


sarcasmironysatireoxymoroncontradictionlearnplease nothingiswhatitseems.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
I read yours, that's how I know you didn't read Kermit's. And what makes you think that I didn't read Kermit's post?

You're not making yourself very clear here Fiend are you.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So we should do the bidding of "griffin and his goons'' to placate them. I'm sure Griffin, the BNP, NF and Stormfront must be rubbing their hands together. Hell who needs electoral positions when you've got the mainstream parties to do all your bidding.

Seriously, you show little or no understanding of the real world.

Griffin and the BNP wouldn't have any support if, for a change, the Government gave funding to an area that wasn't full of the ethnic minorities.

Nobody in Bradford was going to vote BNP. Then they renamed a school into Arabic. And the BNP support shot up.

Funny that.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
And what makes you think that I didn't read Kermit's post?

You're not making yourself very clear here Fiend are you.

This disagram illustrates you:

http://lambcutlet.org/images/missingthepoint.png

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
And what makes you think that I didn't read Kermit's post?

You're not making yourself very clear here Fiend are you.

Friends can shorten it to Fiend. You can call me Fiend_85.

You didn't read his post, as is obvious by your response. Illustrated by the diagram

http://lambcutlet.org/images/missingthepoint.png

[Fiend_85]

:lol: Did we just do that at the Same Time?!

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
And what makes you think that I didn't read Kermit's post?

You're not making yourself very clear here Fiend are you.

when someone says "read the post again" they don't mean, look at the words, they mean actually read it and fully understand it, then make your own comment, it's common sense ffs

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by turlough
well said, hey sunshine, read his post again please I did and I responded in the correct manner. So what makes you think that I didn't read his post?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by turlough
sarcasmironysatireoxymoroncontradictionlearnplease nothingiswhatitseems.

everythingsisexactlywhatitseemsabunchofbigotsbeing leadbythenosebytabloidscarryingouttheirpoliticalma sterswishesandbeingtoldwhoisgoodandwhoisbadifthere isanyironyitscomingfromcornersthatyoucantseetaking thepissoutofdisablilitiesiseversoenlightenedhoweve rironiconemightthinktheyarebeing

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
:lol: Did we just do that at the Same Time?!

No.

I carved the path, and you meekly followed 30 seconds later.

[Fiend_85]

Dude... you're outrageous

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
everythingsisexactlywhatitseemsabunchofbigotsbeing leadbythenosebytabloidscarryingouttheirpoliticalma sterswishesandbeingtoldwhoisgoodandwhoisbadifthere isanyironyitscomingfromcornersthatyoucantseetaking thepissoutofdisablilitiesiseversoenlightenedhoweve rironiconemightthinktheyarebeing

I demand an apology, the last time I used a tabloid was to pick up some dog shit.

[Kermit]

Yeah, I mock the disabled.

Fucking freeloading scum. What do you mean you can't walk? Try harder, moron.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by turlough
when someone says "read the post again" they don't mean, look at the words, they mean actually read it and fully understand it, then make your own comment, it's common sense ffs Come on then...point out the parts that I didn't read. Tell me why I didn't fully comprehend his post.

Instead of throwing totally unfounded allegations about...explain yourself.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Dude... you're outrageous

But you don't dispute how accurate I am.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Come on then...point out the parts that I didn't read. Tell me why I didn't fully comprehend his post.

probably because you've been here 20 seconds.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kermit
But you don't dispute how accurate I am.

I do in fact dispute your accuracy. I am aware that it is 30 second between myself posting two concurrent messages. But following on yourself, it could have been anything from 1 to 59 seconds.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Kermit
But you don't dispute how accurate I am. I'll come to you once the detractors have been addressed.

:)

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Come on then...point out the parts that I didn't read. Tell me why I didn't fully comprehend his post.

Instead of throwing totally unfounded allegations about...explain yourself.

hardly unfounded. it was as if you'd pre-writen a reply before waiting for Kermit. Nothing you said was of any relevance to anything said by Kermit.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
hardly unfounded. it was as if you'd pre-writen a reply before waiting for Kermit. Nothing you said was of any relevance to anything said by Kermit. So address my points and deconstruct them if you will :)

[morrocan roll]

he was on disability benefits wasn't he?
so he so obviously deserves to die.
i'd bet it was bong who grassed him up for preaching whilst on the sick ...thats working while claiming is it not?
thats why the british government won't hand him over to the yanks ...get him for the big benefit fraud first.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So address my points and deconstruct them if you will :)

no.

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
everythingsisexactlywhatitseemsabunchofbigotsbeing leadbythenosebytabloidscarryingouttheirpoliticalma sterswishesandbeingtoldwhoisgoodandwhoisbadifthere isanyironyitscomingfromcornersthatyoucantseetaking thepissoutofdisablilitiesiseversoenlightenedhoweve rironiconemightthinktheyarebeing

:lol: clearly you don't understand, liven up, we're not all small minded bigots, it's just words,it's just fun, having a laugh, no one really means what they're saying, (except that rolly boyo, i'd keep an eye on him if i was you)

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by turlough
: (except that rolly boyo, i'd keep an eye on him if i was you) sssshhhh!

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
sssshhhh!

too late now morrocan roll, if that is your real name

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by turlough
too late now morrocan roll, if that is your real name oh god ...time to get honest ...my real name is bread roll ...but how common is that!

[Yerascrote]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
oh god ...time to get honest ...my real name is bread roll ...but how common is that!

my name is rolling pinners all night :) i'm away.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
no. That's because you know you were wrong. It doesn't really matter though, because I'm sure you'll be a little more friendlier toward me in the future ;)

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by turlough
i'm away. with the fairies!

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by turlough
:lol: clearly you don't understand, liven up, we're not all small minded bigots, it's just words,it's just fun, having a laugh, no one really means what they're saying, (except that rolly boyo, i'd keep an eye on him if i was you) It's fucking childish

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
That's because you know you were wrong. It doesn't really matter though, because I'm sure you'll be a little more friendlier toward me in the future ;)

not bloody likely.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
not bloody likely. ...and you are going to bombard me with your undoubted wit forever more?

Is that the plan?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
...and you are going to bombard me with your undoubted wit forever more?

Is that the plan?

If you're lucky.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
It's fucking childish yes but it's tuesday.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
If you're lucky. Right it's quite obvious what you are.

Ok...any other detractors want to say anything before the real debate gets under way?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Right it's quite obvious what you are.

Ok...any other detractors want to say anything before the real debate gets under way?

What possible debate could we have ffs?

Dude, STFU.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
What possible debate could we have ffs?

Dude, STFU.

Oh right, these boards aren't for debate - they're for jokes and circle-jerks.............

I believe your position was -um ................. flirting with Kermit .......

Mine is more along of the lines of bring him to trial, present the evidence, allow him a defence and let the jury decide.

Although if the jury reads the same tabloids you and your mates do, then he aint going to be getting any justioce, is he?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Oh right, these boards aren't for debate - they're for jokes and circle-jerks.............

I believe your position was -um ................. flirting with Kermit .......

Mine is more along of the lines of bring him to trial, present the evidence, allow him a defence and let the jury decide.

Although if the jury reads the same tabloids you and your mates do, then he aint going to be getting any justioce, is he?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu6.jpg

I don't read tabloids, and not everything on this forum has to be the uberserious. It is assumed, and fairly, that in this country he will get a fair trial, by an impartial as possible jury and punish, if found guilty, but an impartial and professional judge. But hey if you want to make unfounded personal comments about my relationship with kermit and my choice of newspaper go ahead, you're harming no-one reputation but your own.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu6.jpg

I don't read tabloids, and not everything on this forum has to be the uberserious. It is assumed, and fairly, that in this country he will get a fair trial, by an impartial as possible jury and punish, if found guilty, but an impartial and professional judge. But hey if you want to make unfounded personal comments about my relationship with kermit and my choice of newspaper go ahead, you're harming no-one reputation but your own.

You know the mind of everyone that reads these boards then?

As for claiming that it is assumed that trials in this country are fair .......................................ARE YOU MAD?

And I'll worry about my own reputation if that's okay with you

:D

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
You know the mind of everyone that reads these boards then?

As for claiming that it is assumed that trials in this country are fair .......................................ARE YOU MAD?

And I'll worry about my own reputation if that's okay with you

:D

Well I guess one's opinion on trials in this coutry is dependent upon how much underground left-wing tripe they read, isn't it?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Well I guess one's opinion on trials in this coutry is dependent upon how much underground left-wing tripe they read, isn't it?

Is that right?

I gained mine by sitting in courts and watching the great wheels turn...............

Do you know what a tabloid is, or what?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Is that right?

I gained mine by sitting in courts and watching the great wheels turn...............

Do you know what a tabloid is, or what?

Ok, well, just to check with you, the Daily telegraph? the Independent? the Guardian? BBC news online? Do any of those count?

[eternalsunshine]

Fiend really doesn't like the concept of free speech does he...he keeps telling people to shut up :eek:

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Is that right?

I gained mine by sitting in courts and watching the great wheels turn...............

i gained mine by being the accused ...and yes i wore a suit.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Ok, well, just to check with you, the Daily telegraph? the Independent? the Guardian? BBC news online? Do any of those count? That's quite sad that isn't it :D

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Fiend really doesn't like the concept of free speech does he...he keeps telling people to shut up :eek: he's a she.
do keep up.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
That's quite sad that isn't it :D

What, being able to read? Or having standards...

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
he's a she.
do keep up. I just took it to be an 'it'

Are you gender specific morrocan Roll?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
I just took it to be an 'it'

Are you gender specific morrocan Roll?

Well, clearly you didn't because you typed 'he'.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
What, being able to read? Or having standards... So any thoughts on the original poster's point(s) Fiend?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So any thoughts on the original poster's point(s) Fiend?

If found guilty, he should suffer.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
I Are you gender specific morrocan Roll? no i'm a lesbian.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
no i'm a lesbian.

:lol: you're so funny! ...

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
:lol: you're so funny! ... no i'm being serious ...i've only ever had sex with women.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
no i'm a lesbian. Thats nice :)

Do you have any thoughts on the original poster's point(s) morrocan?

Don't be shy now.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Thats nice :)

Do you have any thoughts on the original poster's point(s) morrocan?

Don't be shy now. not realy no ...but did you knbow that the realy butch lesbians roll their own ...

























tampons?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
no i'm being serious ...i've only ever had sex with women.

*grins* human women?



Anyway, on that note I'm off to bed. g'night rolly

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
:lol: you're so funny! ... they don't call me mister for nothing you know.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
*grins* human women?



Anyway, on that note I'm off to bed. g'night rolly well i do live in wales but ...goodnight chuck.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
well i do live in wales but ...goodnight chuck. Looks as if you people are going to be having a good time in the near future. Start honing those debating skills lads...there's loads to talk about

See ya in a bit ;)

[Aladdin]

If I can quickly jump in here to make a point...

Don't be so quick in dismissing freethepeeps. He has a point. Regardless of whether the cries to send Hamza to the US to be executed or perhaps to the torture camp of Guantanamo to 'suffer' were tongue-in-cheek or not, most of you have here completely ignored the concept of presumption of innocence and have indeed taken the role of jury, judge and executioner.

Because unless you all work for MI6 and have access to intelligence the rest of us don't have, these charges are new and the only thing Hamza has been known to do before is to stir shit. So how come do you all know that he was a terrorist and a murderer all along and that he deserves to suffer, be tortured and/or executed?

No one is saying he's a nice man and that he doesn't deserve this. I think I speak on behalf of all including freethepeeps (though he can correct me if I'm wrong) when I say the bloke's a complete dickhead.

But given the present climate of scare mongering, and given the shameful subordination to the Americans our government has subjected itself to, and given the campaign of hatred waged by the tabloid press, and given the near-fascist state we live in where people can now be detained without being charged and without access to a lawyer for years on end... given all that, can any of you categorically say that you have no concerns whatsoever the charges might be fabricated and politically motivated?

Well? Can you?

And remember, whether the bloke is a complete twat (which he is) should not come into consideration…

God saves us all if we've reached the point where presumption of innocence is no longer granted and where the tabloid press and foreign powers take over our judicial system.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Looks as if you people are going to be having a good time in the near future. Start honing those debating skills lads...there's loads to talk about

See ya in a bit ;) we have been lazing about having a luagh ...waiting for inteligent people ...like you ...to say something we can get our teeth into but no ...nothing ...just mindless moaning.
do try a little hardetr to understand.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Aladdin
If I can quickly jump in here to make a point...

Don't be so quick in dismissing freethepeeps. He has a point. Regardless of whether the cries to send Hamza to the US to be executed or perhaps to the torture camp of Guantanamo to 'suffer' were tongue-in-cheek or not, most of you have here completely ignored the concept of presumption of innocence and have indeed taken the role of jury, judge and executioner.

Because unless you all work for MI6 and have access to intelligence the rest of us don't have, this charges are new and the only thing Hamza has been known to do before is to stir shit. So how come do you all know that he was a terrorist and a murderer all along and that he deserves to suffer, be tortured and/or executed?

No one is saying he's a nice man and that he doesn't deserve this. I think I speak on behalf of all including freethepeeps (though he can correct me if I'm wrong) when I say the bloke's a complete dickhead.

But given the present climate of scare mongering, and given the shameful subordination our government has the Americans, and given the campaign of hatred waged by the tabloid press, and given the near-fascist state we live in where people can now be detained without being charged and without access to a lawyer for years on end... given all that, can any of you categorically say that you have no concerns whatsoever the chargers might be fabricated and politically motivated?

Well? Can you?

And remember, whether the bloke is a complete twat (which he is) should not come into consideration…

God saves us all if we've reached the point where presumption of innocence is no longer granted and where the tabloid press and foreign powers take over our judicial system. an inteligent post like this one sunshine ...why couldn't you muster anything like this in the face of our messing?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
we have been lazing about having a luagh ...waiting for inteligent people ...like you ...to say something we can get our teeth into but no ...nothing ...just mindless moaning.
do try a little hardetr to understand. So you turn a Politics and Debate thread into a laughaton?

Why won't you debate?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
an inteligent post like this one sunshine ...why couldn't you muster anything like this in the face of our messing? Oh you liked that one did you morrocan. And perhaps we may even see your (first) intelligent reply on this thread in response to the said thread.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So you turn a Politics and Debate thread into a laughaton?

Why won't you debate? we do ...often but there is a time to lighten up ...when no one can realy be bothered ...when people are just chillin' and stuff ...you had ample opportunity to post something sensible ...but couldn't be bothered for whatever reason.
please excuse us for not being serious all the time.
YOU ...could so easily have said something positive ...you could have given your point of view ...told us how you feel about the topic but no ...you wasted as much time as us but ...put us down for it.
at least we enjoyed ourselves ...you just fucking complained.
ever heard of taking control?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
we do ...often but there is a time to lighten up ...when no one can realy be bothered ...when people are just chillin' and stuff ...you had ample opportunity to post something sensible ...but couldn't be bothered for whatever reason.
please excuse us for not being serious all the time.
YOU ...could so easily have said something positive ...you could have given your point of view ...told us how you feel about the topic but no ...you wasted as much time as us but ...put us down for it.
at least we enjoyed ourselves ...you just fucking complained.
ever heard of taking control? Ahhh so it's just a little circle Jerk that denies anything that deviates from your presently accepted norm.

It would seem to me that if there are any real challenges to the accepted norm, then those challenges will be put down by the ones that dare not speak the truth. If the subject matter goes against your will...shut it down!

That's what it looks like to me.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Ahhh so it's just a little circle Jerk that denies anything that deviates from your presently accepted norm.

It would seem to me that if there are any real challenges to the accepted norm, then those challenges will be put down by the ones that dare not speak the truth. If the subject matter goes against your will...shut it down!

That's what it looks like to me. your still talking as much utter bollox as the rest of us have tonight in this thread ...why?

[eternalsunshine]

Shall we get back on topic?

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Shall we get back on topic? you do what you like sunshine ...

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
your still talking as much utter bollox as the rest of us have tonight in this thread ...why? No!

I wish to debate the original poster's points.

You?

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
No!

I wish to debate the original poster's points.

You? then fucking do it ya plank!

[eternalsunshine]

There is no debate is there...you people are incapable of debate

Come on. Give it a go, you never know, you may even enjoy it :p

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by major_tom
hooray! justice has finally caught up with abu hamza, facing 16 different charges in court, including incitement to murder and inciting racial hatred. trouble is, he will cost the taxpayer considerably more in hmp belmarsh, than he previously did outside ( even with all the benefits he was creaming off the infidel taxpayer) how long should he serve in prison here, or should we have let the americans fry his beard in 'ole sparky'? Shall we begin...

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
There is no debate is there...you people are incapable of debate

Come on. Give it a go, you never know, you may even enjoy it :p your pissing me right off now!
sometimes we piss about till someone gives a point of view we can agree or disagree with ...sometimes we cant be arsed until ...you... put some fucking effort in.
fuck off.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
then fucking do it ya plank! The hostility is astounding :confused:

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
your pissing me right off now!
sometimes we piss about till someone gives a point of view we can agree or disagree with ...sometimes we cant be arsed until ...you... put some fucking effort in.
fuck off. I take it that I'm off your Christmas Card list then :confused:

[relentless]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
I take it that I'm off your Christmas Card list then :confused:

looks like it.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
I take it that I'm off your Christmas Card list then :confused: yes!
your also not on the list of people i'll fucking try to teach or learn from ...isn't that the point?
why don't YOU ...try and put across a point of fucking view if your so pissed off with people not doing.
fuck ....off.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
yes!
your also not on the list of people i'll fucking try to teach or learn from ...isn't that the point?
why don't YOU ...try and put across a point of fucking view if your so pissed off with people not doing.
fuck ....off. Calm down...calm down...hey we're all scousers here :rolleyes:

No chance of getting back to the topic at hand morrocan?

[eternalsunshine]

Would you like me to post up the original post yet again?

[relentless]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Would you like me to post up the original post yet again?

no thanks dick, im sure we can all figure it out for ourselves..

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
Calm down...calm down...hey we're all scousers here :rolleyes:

No chance of getting back to the topic at hand morrocan? arrrrgggghhhhhhh! why the fuck don't you go back to the topic ...realy.

[major_tom]

i want to know more about the extradition issue; hamza is originally egyptian i believe, but managed to get into this country as a student and stay here because he married an english woman. i seem to remember reading that his marriage was technically bogus in some way, so would this fact affect the law regerding possible extradition? i would be in favour of keeping him here, because if the yanks execute him (as kermit rightly said) he will become a martyr for islamic fundamentalism and we will see some other loon filling his place.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Aladdin


No one is saying he's a nice man and that he doesn't deserve this. I think I speak on behalf of all including freethepeeps (though he can correct me if I'm wrong) when I say the bloke's a complete dickhead.


Well, he's certainly been painted as one, but as I'm not in the habit of hanging around mosques, or believing what journos have to say, I really have no idea - none whatsoever.

The charges are quite interesting though - incitement to murder and racial hatred ......... theres a few neo-cons that should be uncomfortable with that...........

Twas a good post you made though - I can't see anything funny about the attack on civil liberties at the moment - let him who has sat around shackled, with a piss soaked hood over his head laugh first.

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by dave_oliver
no thanks dick, im sure we can all figure it out for ourselves.. Oooh someone else who is unable to debate

Lovely

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
arrrrgggghhhhhhh! why the fuck don't you go back to the topic ...realy. Are you well :rolleyes:

[morrocan roll]

people around finsbury have seen and heard his speeches in the streets for themselves ...in the streets cos the mosque elders chucked him out into it ...preaching hatred for the west ...the society that gave him housing ...education ...medical care ...etcetcetc.
he preaches our destruction.
so ...as far as i'm concerned he should have been removed from the west and sent to a place of his choosing where he liked the economic and other situations he so loved.
why did he come here if he hates it so much?
for the whole of history no one ...no culture on earth ...has allowed such people to be within their city walls ...why do you think that is?
we should have been kind and understanding from the begining and sent hime to somewhere he would have been happy ...i have no problem with the tax payer paying for such luxuries.

[JsT]

Request for permission to advise freethepeeps to shut the fuck up.

On topic I believe that if convicted he should do the suitable punishment. If the suitable punishment (in the eyes of the American govenment) be the death penalty then so be it.

[JsT]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
people around finsbury have seen and heard his speeches in the streets for themselves ...in the streets cos the mosque elders chucked him out into it ...preaching hatred for the west ...the society that gave him housing ...education ...medical care ...etcetcetc.
he preaches our destruction.
so ...as far as i'm concerned he should have been removed from the west and sent to a place of his choosing where he liked the economic and other situations he so loved.
why did he come here if he hates it so much?
for the whole of history no one ...no culture on earth ...has allowed such people to be within their city walls ...why do you think that is?
we should have been kind and understanding from the begining and sent hime to somewhere he would have been happy ...i have no problem with the tax payer paying for such luxuries.
Exactly. If he doesn't like it here he can always fuck off back to where he came from. Hamza has spat in the faces of the UK government that have provided him with so much.,

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by JsT
Request for permission to advise freethepeeps to shut the fuck up.


Feel free - it won't make any difference whatsoever though. :(

preaching hatred for the west ...the society that gave him housing ...education ...medical care ...etcetcetc

TBH, I'm not that keen on the west myself.........

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Feel free - it won't make any difference whatsoever though. :(



TBH, I'm not that keen on the west myself......... i am ...so fuck off to where you'd be happier yes?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
i am ...so fuck off to where you'd be happier yes?

It aint that simple ........ perhaps you can point me to a place which isn't under the influence of the west?

[JsT]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
It aint that simple ........ perhaps you can point me to a place which isn't under the influence of the west?

The rainforests of Brazil.

[freethepeeps]

conformity is a fools paradise.

:crazyeyes

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by JsT
The rainforests of Brazil.

Oh - good grief!!!!!!!!!!

:(

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
It aint that simple ........ perhaps you can point me to a place which isn't under the influence of the west? give it up.
of course it aint that simple.
tell me what kind of place you wish to live in and i may be able to point you int he right direction.
like it or not ...the west with it's many many faults is the greatest civilisation man has ever devised.
when it collapses ...which it will ...you'll be yearning for your internet connection and water on tap ...the abundance of globa;l food ...with all it's faults.
or ...you can do what i have done and head for the hills ...grow your own chickens and veg ...have you actualy got t in you to dig the earth and reclaim swamp?
somehow i think not ...your another one who lives off the fruits but condems the tree that feeds you and keeps you in such a soft unreality.
ever killed your own dinner on a regular basis like me?

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
i am ...so fuck off to where you'd be happier yes? So why don't you piss off to Siberia morrocan?

That would most probably suit your present viewpoints as far as I can see

Are you a Stalinist morrocan?

[morrocan roll]

what realy pisses me off is you think your so fucking clever cos you can cut and paste your info ...your an armchair revolutionary shopping in all the places you hate ...using the transport systems you despise.
me ...i'm growing MY food ...and despite and because of everything ...i'm looking into getting working horses to work with instead of engines ...i make pickeles ...i'm looking at making whiskey ...i've grown cannabis for years ...
you ...carry on with your fucking delusions of armchair revolution ...
in the morning ...i'll be up to my tits in mud trying to reclaim swamp ...which i'm pretty good at.
wanker.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
So why don't you piss off to Siberia morrocan?

That would most probably suit your present viewpoints as far as I can see

Are you a Stalinist morrocan? what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
i thought you wanted to get back on topic ...a topic you have never been on ...

[eternalsunshine]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
i thought you wanted to get back on topic ...a topic you have never been on ... A child when it comes to politics I see

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
what realy pisses me off is you think your so fucking clever cos you can cut and paste your info ...your an armchair revolutionary shopping in all the places you hate ...using the transport systems you despise.
me ...i'm growing MY food ...and despite and because of everything ...i'm looking into getting working horses to work with instead of engines ...i make pickeles ...i'm looking at making whiskey ...i've grown cannabis for years ...
you ...carry on with your fucking delusions of armchair revolution ...
in the morning ...i'll be up to my tits in mud trying to reclaim swamp ...which i'm pretty good at.
wanker.

Hurrah for you!!!

:rolleyes:

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
A child when it comes to politics I see you are a seriously annoying kunt.
you type many words and say fuck all.
i'll do my best from now on to totaly fucking ignore your idiocy.
you purposely attack everyone and offer diddly shit.
i don't mind people i can disagree with but you ...what is their to agree or dissagree with.
your a plank.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Hurrah for you!!!

:rolleyes: ...and?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
...and?

:crazyeyes

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
:crazyeyes trying to prove something cos i'm fucked if i know what your about.
tell me about all the things you hate about the west then ...but you till enjoy and rely on aye?
tell me why you are not trying to do fuck all about it apart from sitting there talking.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
trying to prove something cos i'm fucked if i know what your about.
tell me about all the things you hate about the west then ...but you till enjoy and rely on aye?
tell me why you are not trying to do fuck all about it apart from sitting there talking.

You know what, the thread isn't about you or me - and if you can't see what the problems with the west are, then thats your problem.

You keep growing your veg and killing your breakfast, that'll sort it all out.

A thread full of Alf Garnetts.

I can't believe it........

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
You know what, the thread isn't about you or me - and if you can't see what the problems with the west are, then thats your problem.

You keep growing your veg and killing your breakfast, that'll sort it all out.

A thread full of Alf Garnetts.

I can't believe it........ you are one very small nobody with typical nofuckingbody ideas.
you don't like being called an armchair revolutionary ...
you don't like yourself or the trap your in.
you have no answers and no way out.
you don't like relying on and using all the hated things around you but ...cos your so fucking pathetic you have no alternatives ...no choices.
i know full well what i don't like ...trouble is ...it was you who was aked the question but me who gets the elbow for not answering it.
you and sunshine have so obviously come here together ...

[morrocan roll]

having spent the last ten minutes watching you in who's online replying to this thread ...and then seeing no reply i pressume you can't actualy do it off the top of your head ...i have to go to bed.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
you are one very small nobody with typical nofuckingbody ideas.
you don't like being called an armchair revolutionary ...
you don't like yourself or the trap your in.
you have no answers and no way out.
you don't like relying on and using all the hated things around you but ...cos your so fucking pathetic you have no alternatives ...no choices.
i know full well what i don't like ...trouble is ...it was you who was aked the question but me who gets the elbow for not answering it.
you and sunshine have so obviously come here together ...

I don't mind being called an armchair revolutionary - I don't care what you think I am or what you think I do - I probably know a little more about it than you do though.......

I didn't ask you to analyse my life or detail yours ..... but the thread is a load of bollocks - and your bullshit about having to love the west if you live in it just begged for that response....

cos it was obvious what was coming next.

...the west with it's many many faults is the greatest civilisation man has ever devised

you can do what i have done and head for the hills ...grow your own chickens and veg ...have you actualy got t in you to dig the earth and reclaim swamp?

Maybe one day you'll see the contradiction.

Maybe not

Whatever. I have no desire to be you.......

[MrG]

they should export him to america where he can serve the death penalty and where he wont be taking up british taxpayers money when he is tried in the US rather than here

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by MrG
they should export him to america where he can serve the death penalty and where he wont be taking up british taxpayers money when he is tried in the US rather than here

Hurrah ..............

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
I don't mind being called an armchair revolutionary - I don't care what you think I am or what you think I do - I probably know a little more about it than you do though.......

I didn't ask you to analyse my life or detail yours ..... but the thread is a load of bollocks - and your bullshit about having to love the west if you live in it just begged for that response....

cos it was obvious what was coming next.





Maybe one day you'll see the contradiction.

Maybe not

Whatever. I have no desire to be you....... well that was very intelectual and insightful wasn't it not.
i don't love the west.
i don't like what is being done to my world.
i don't like people who fucking complain about it all the time but thouroughly enjoy basking in its comforts without doing anything to change it.
i hate the supermarket illusion ...it is the biggest fantasy going ...so i have gotten out of my armchair and decided to do things my way ...not theirs or yours ...mine.
you carry on consuming and using ...and of course reading a lot and complaining ...sure way to get screwed.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
- I probably know a little more about it than you do though.......









:rolleyes:
goodnight and god bless.
all that knowledge kept secret aye!

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
:rolleyes:
goodnight and god bless.
all that knowledge kept secret aye!

put it in context and it even maked sense:

I don't care what you think I am or what you think I do - I probably know a little more about it than you do though.......


:D

[Aladdin]

Can anyone who has no problem with him being sent to the US to be executed could kindly explain:

1. Do you always support the death penalty or only on selected cases?

2. For which crimes exactly do you exactly support the death penalty? Taking other lives only, or does this now extend to other crimes such us incitement to hatred?

3. If the latter is the case, would you agree that people such as Kilroy-Silk or Nick Griffin should be executed immediately?

4. What has Hamza exactly done to deserve the death penalty?



For all the protestations last night on this thread that the knee-jerkism wasn't prompted by the tabloids, I'm sorry to say that is exactly what some of you appear to be doing: brainlessly parroting the editorial line of the S*n, Express and co. with no regard for presumption of innocence or actual facts of any kind.

A sorry spectacle... :no:

[Kermit]

Well at least we have Aladdin talking sense.

eternalsunshine: will you come back when you have a life and you have a sense of humour? You are one of these people who follows a set of life rules because you think that is what everyone else expects of you, you don't see a joke, you can't take a joke, you're always so damn earnest and just plain boring.

I love the way you and freethepeeps sit there claiming I'm racist, that I mock the disabled, that yaddayaddayadda. AS you don't know me you don't know what I think, but I will say something: I will always say the thing most guaranteed to piss off the earnest lefties who have no personality of their own.

Stop being so offended and go and invest in a sense of humour. The people I respect are those who follow their own moral codes and don't try and impose it on anyone else- people like Morrocan Roll- they live and let live. MR does what HE thinks is right, and he doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

You two, on the other hand, are the sort of people who think that everyone should think what you think, and they should be punished if they don't. Stop trying to follow the rules because, you know what, peoplen who always follow the rules never get anywhere.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Can anyone who has no problem with him being sent to the US to be executed could kindly explain:

1. Do you always support the death penalty or only on selected cases?

2. For which crimes exactly do you exactly support the death penalty? Taking other lives only, or does this now extend to other crimes such us incitement to hatred?

3. If the latter is the case, would you agree that people such as Kilroy-Silk or Nick Griffin should be executed immediately?

4. What has Hamza exactly done to deserve the death penalty?

In all seriousness, no, Hamza shouldn't be extradited and no, he shouldn't be executed.

1. the death penalty is always wrong- not for "humaniotarian" reasons, but because:
a. living is worse for them that death- note Shipman and West, and how Brady and Huntley want to be allowed to kill themselves.
b. living is cheaper.
c. the courts make the odd fuck-up- the Birmingham Six would be dead if we had the death penalty.

3. Last time I checked, Griffin or Kilroy Silk weren't going around saying that all people who aren't like them should be killed; that flying planes into buildings is acceptable; that terrorism is something that all good people should be doing. And, even more to the point, that aren't railing against the society that keeps them clothed and fed.

For all the protestations last night on this thread that the knee-jerkism wasn't prompted by the tabloids, I'm sorry to say that is exactly what some of you appear to be doing: brainlessly parroting the editorial line of the S*n, Express and co. with no regard for presumption of innocence or actual facts of any kind.

Hamza, as you said yourself, is a deeply disgusting individual. He should have been booted out of this country for what he's been saying, in my hjonest opinion- if the West are so bad, then he should leave. If he thinks Pakistan or Saudi is such a bastion of virtue, he should fuck off back there. But he won't, because they'll kill him. Weird that.

He's still entitled to a fair trial, and that is what he will be given in the UK. But you don't need to be convicted to be extradited, extraditions are done for political reasons.

I wouldn't be sad to see Hamza dead, except for the fact that he would become a martyr. Personally I don't think he should be killed when Adams and McGuinness are still alive, when the Brighton bomber (probably someone who freethepeeps and eternalsunshine revere) is still alive. But if Adams and McGuinness were to be executed I wouldn't be sorry either.

[freethepeeps]

Can we clear this up, is this a forum for tasteless jokes, circle jerks and ganging up on newbies, or is it a place for politics and debate?

While you sit there thinking how clever it is to mock disabilities, call for summary executions and do the tabloid speak, people are being driven insane by being incarcerated indefinitely, without even being told what the evidence against them is.

As it goes, if Hamza is done for speaking his mind, theres no end in sight to who else can be done for speaking their minds.

There is nothing funny about the world that is being foisted on us - your tasteless jokes are offensive - and I am not interested in trying to find them funny.

:)

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Can we clear this up, is this a forum for tasteless jokes, circle jerks and ganging up on newbies, or is it a place for politics and debate?

As was said FOUR PAGES AGO, state some politics and we'll debate it.

It's a very simple concept to grasp.

While you sit there thinking how clever it is to mock disabilities

yeah, you said that before.

I presume you think that both MR and myself do that?

As it goes, if Hamza is done for speaking his mind, theres no end in sight to who else can be done for speaking their minds.

There's speaking his mind and there's calling people to kill.

Not even the NF do that.

There is nothing funny about the world that is being foisted on us - your tasteless jokes are offensive - and I am not interested in trying to find them funny.

Aww diddums.

Instead of whingeing do something about it then.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Kermit


Instead of whingeing do something about it then.

:crazyeyes

When I need advice on how to live my life from a bunch of small minded bigots, I'll ask for it.

Till then, keep it to yourself.

:)

[budda]

It makes NO difference what so ever what race, colour, nationality he is or what he is alleged to have done.

Internment is WRONG in all cases.

If we allow one person to have an unfair trial then we are ALL at risk.

Justice is for all. It is a very slipperly slope if we allow human rights to be subjective.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
When I need advice on how to live my life from a bunch of small minded bigots, I'll ask for it.

If we're so awful and bigoted you should just fuck off then, really.

You keep saying "bigot" as if it means something.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by eternalsunshine
A child when it comes to politics I see

You need to take a look around and shut the fuck up. I myself am still a newbie here, but fuck me if I was as annoying as you in my first few posts I wouldn't have ANY respect, and I know that I've earned it of a remarkable number of posters.

Shut up and learn. Don't be fucking cheeky to thesite's most respected poster (in all seriousness) and don't lay into people you have no clue about.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Kermit
If we're so awful and bigoted you should just fuck off then, really.


When I need advice on how to live my life from a bunch of small minded bigots, I'll ask for it.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
When I need advice on how to live my life from a bunch of small minded bigots, I'll ask for it.

Oh, goodness.

I've seen more wit in a Noel Edmonds television programme.

[budda]

Are we actually going to debate or just throw pointless insults about?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Can anyone who has no problem with him being sent to the US to be executed could kindly explain:

1. Do you always support the death penalty or only on selected cases?

2. For which crimes exactly do you exactly support the death penalty? Taking other lives only, or does this now extend to other crimes such us incitement to hatred?

3. If the latter is the case, would you agree that people such as Kilroy-Silk or Nick Griffin should be executed immediately?

4. What has Hamza exactly done to deserve the death penalty?



For all the protestations last night on this thread that the knee-jerkism wasn't prompted by the tabloids, I'm sorry to say that is exactly what some of you appear to be doing: brainlessly parroting the editorial line of the S*n, Express and co. with no regard for presumption of innocence or actual facts of any kind.

A sorry spectacle... :no:

Hello aladdin, and good morning.

I bow to you for your abillity to post sensibly to provoke debate.

Now, moving on. For the interests of arguement I will assume that Hamza is guilty, until otherwise stated.

I am against the death penalty, but instead of the traditional 'we're only as bad as he is' or 'what if we're wrong' arguements. It's because I want him to suffer. There was a scientific study that found that emotional pain is as real to the brain as a severly broken leg. I want him to hurt in his head for the rest of his natural life, executing him gets nothing.

Now, acting as I should, in that Hamza is still inocent until proven guilty. I think he should be tried and punished here, as it is here that he has been stiring up trouble, and here that the alleged crimes have been commited. Not only that he will not get a fair trial in the USA, they want results and I think here that we still want justice. Not to say that miscarriages of justice don't happen, but at least he won't be dead.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Are we actually going to debate or just throw pointless insults about?

I don't know.

I'm just trying to see how many more times you'll say I'm a bigot that insults the disabled.

[budda]

Originally posted by Kermit
I don't know.

I'm just trying to see how many more times you'll say I'm a bigot that insults the disabled.

I think perhaps your getting me confused Kermit, I dont remember ever calling you or anyone else here a bigot.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85

I am against the death penalty......... It's because I want him to suffer.


Originally posted by Fiend_85
Not to say that miscarriages of justice don't happen, but at least he won't be dead.

Not nice, and not consistent.......

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Not nice, and not consistent.......

Where is it inconsistant?

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kermit
I don't know.

I'm just trying to see how many more times you'll say I'm a bigot that insults the disabled.

You're a bigot that insults the disabled!






:p chin up buddy. Debate with me instead.

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Where is it inconsistant?

:)

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
:)

What the fuck are you trying to say? 'Sorry, I was wrong. You're not inconsistant at all' or 'Sorry, just actually read your post, got the wrong end of the stick'?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
You're a bigot that insults the disabled!

I hate the disabled, especially the old and infirm.

They just get in my way the whole friggin time.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Not nice

Nope.

But people on death row aren't either.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kermit
I hate the disabled, especially the old and infirm.

They just get in my way the whole friggin time.

Well, in waiting for the return of bong, aladdin and annoying noobs, how's your day?

[budda]

Well I thought this thread was quite interesting.

Its strange how some hard and set rules can easily be explained away when we dont like someone.

Its ok for 'Captain Hook' not to have a fair trial, or be interned because he's obviously evil isnt he.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Well, in waiting for the return of bong, aladdin and annoying noobs, how's your day?

My day is cold.

:(

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Well I thought this thread was quite interesting.

Its strange how some hard and set rules can easily be explained away when we dont like someone.

Its ok for 'Captain Hook' not to have a fair trial, or be interned because he's obviously evil isnt he.

Don't be so general bong, you'll irritate me, especially when I have said the exact opposite.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kermit
My day is cold.

:(

Put a jumper on?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Put a jumper on?

That's a good idea.

It's so dark and cold and I have to go all the way to Durham soon:(

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kermit
That's a good idea.

It's so dark and cold and I have to go all the way to Durham soon:(

Make sure you wear a hat, you lose a quarter of your body heat through the top of your head.

[budda]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Don't be so general bong, you'll irritate me, especially when I have said the exact opposite.

What? I wasnt accusing you of that attitude, but that view is prevailing through the thread isnt it.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by bongbudda
What? I wasnt accusing you of that attitude, but that view is prevailing through the thread isnt it.

I wouldn't have said it was all serious though. You know people on here better than that. However, seeing as the debate, nearly, started with some posting from Aladdin why don't we see where it goes.

[freethepeeps]

People displaying hate and calling for the death of a man who "displays hate and calls for deaths" .................

The irony of that appeals to my sense of humour ..........

:D

[budda]

Well given the press attention that he has recieved he will struggle to get a fair trial here.

And you can bet your arse he probably wont even see a formal charge let alone a trial in the US.

Yes, he probably does 'preach hatred' but at the same time if we just ignored him, very much like the BNP he wouldnt be as important as he is.

What I think a lot of people, in the US even more than here, fail to realise is there is some basis for people hating us. Terrorism very rarely comes out of no-where.

He should have a normal trial here IF there is proper evidence against him.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by bongbudda
What I think a lot of people, in the US even more than here, fail to realise is there is some basis for people hating us. Terrorism very rarely comes out of no-where.

And that's why killing him would make him a martyr.

People who have suffered misfortune can very easily be brainwashed into believing that all their ills are caused by x, y and z. To an extent they are, but not entirely.

People like bin Laden or Hamza haven't done at all badly at the hands of the West- they are terrorists because they crave the power. It's the same as with Adams and McGuinness- in their case, we've given them the power they craved so they stopped.

[budda]

Originally posted by Kermit
People like bin Laden or Hamza haven't done at all badly at the hands of the West- they are terrorists because they crave the power. It's the same as with Adams and McGuinness- in their case, we've given them the power they craved so they stopped.

Sort of, I think the example of NI is a good one when it comes to terrorism.

The IRA gained support from the general Catholic population most when we were the hardest on them. When we did massive raids, when we tortured people etc.

When they were given a chance in the political sphere then support for radical action dropped off.

When people were given something to loose, when they had a stake in the society around them they were much less likely to support the extreme actions.

It could be the same way in Palestine too, if the moderates actually had ANY hope of achieving something with politics then support for Hamas would falter.

[Aladdin]

As far as I know Hamza hasn't preached any more hatred than some right wing commentators such as Ann Coulter, who amongst many other things has advocated invading every single Muslim country in the world, killing their leaders and converting their populations to Christianity by force.

Why isn't she and others like her rotting in jail? Why aren't all the self-righteous tabloids here and elsewhere running daily front pages about her 'evilness'?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by bongbudda
When people were given something to loose, when they had a stake in the society around them they were much less likely to support the extreme actions.

It could be the same way in Palestine too, if the moderates actually had ANY hope of achieving something with politics then support for Hamas would falter.

I think that is exactly it.

But then if yo0u mention the word "diplomacy" to the right-wingers they think you're a dozy coward. Look at the absue the Spanish are receiving.

[budda]

Because she isnt on the opposing side.

[marv]

I know this is not on the subject of Abu Hamza; I just want to make the point about death row in the US which has been mentioned in this debate.

From what I have read about the death penalty in the US is that it is racist as a higher proportion of Black or Hispanic people are sentenced to death in the US then compared to whites.

http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/sayar/death.htm

Also there is difference when it comes to class. You are more likely to be sentenced to death in the US for committing murder if you are from a working class background.

There is also the fact that there is the execution of people, who are mentally ill,

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/mental_illness.html

The UN Safeguards Guaranteeing Protection of the Rights of those Facing the Death Penalty, adopted by the UN Economic and Social Council resolution of May 25, 1984, states: "…nor shall the death sentence be carried out…on persons who have become insane."

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Because she isnt on the opposing side.

and because she hasn't got a scary hook.

I don't know why we hear nothing about her. Possibly because that Hamza's target audience are more likely to act on the things he says, and Coulter's target audience will either agree and then do nothing, disagree and ignore her, and the group that agree and act are so unbelievably small or powerless we don't notice.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Because she isnt on the opposing side. Exactly.

[budda]

Most people dont really like having to resort to violence, but the adadge 'desperate times call for desperate measures' does apply.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by Kermit

I love the way you and freethepeeps sit there claiming I'm racist, that I mock the disabled, that yaddayaddayadda. AS you don't know me you don't know what I think, but I will say something: I will always say the thing most guaranteed to piss off the earnest lefties who have no personality of their own.



I have to say that it is your problem and not theirs what they know about you and what they don't know.
Without wanting to start a new discussion about Israel, I'll just mention that the reason I keep so firm on my point is that the thought of someone reading the boards and not reading that point of view scares me.
I don't know who reads and what they get out of it. In matters which I think are important I wouldn't say something just for the case of it and to provoke, unless it is really meant.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Most people dont really like having to resort to violence, but the adadge 'desperate times call for desperate measures' does apply.

If you see your kids blown up by the Israelis, for example, you won't exactly mind going and killing 20 of them.

Both sides suffer in Israel because ofthe violence of the Israeli government.

It's the same in Chechnya.

Al Qaeda are different though, IMHO.

[morrocan roll]

we have done the right thing refusing to hand him over to the americans ...where he might not even survive long enough in an american jail to reach trial.
he should be tried here on whatever evidence there is against him.
and it should be made public ...none of this internment crap ...

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Coulter's target audience will either agree and then do nothing, disagree and ignore her, and the group that agree and act are so unbelievably small or powerless we don't notice.

Hmmmm


IRAQ ?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Hmmmm


IRAQ ?

:confused:

Coulter is justifying Bush's actions, not the other way around.

Unless you know something about the vapid bitch that we don't.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
Hmmmm


IRAQ ?

Are you ever going to post something intelligent, or can we just write you off now?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Kermit
:confused:

Coulter is justifying Bush's actions, not the other way around.

Unless you know something about the vapid bitch that we don't.

She wrote her "convert them to christianity" number in 2001 .....

[Aladdin]

It could also be said that a fair amount of Coulter's target audience are not only a bunch of bigoted-as-fuck extremist rednecks but they also have at their disposal an arsenal of guns and automatic weapons the Highbury crowd could only dream of.

I know which lot poses a far greater danger AFAICC.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
She wrote her "convert them to christianity" number in 2001 .....

Yes.

And?

You think Bush plucked the war out of his arse in 2002?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Kermit
Yes.

And?

You think Bush plucked the war out of his arse in 2002?

No, but I think her writing fuels the supporters ..........

Do you think Hamza dreamed up Islamic fundamentalism?

:confused:

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by freethepeeps
No, but I think her writing fuels the supporters ..........

Do you think Hamza dreamed up Islamic fundamentalism?

:confused:

Are you forgetting who you're comparing with whom now?

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Are you forgetting who you're comparing with whom now?

No.

Are you having a problem keeping up?

[Fiend_85]

Best Response Ever...

[freethepeeps]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Best Response Ever...

You've only said that 52 times so far

:)

[Kentish]

Worst. Debate. Ever.

[pedr]

Originally posted by Whowhere
boil him IN chip fat :lol:

Just thought that was (in-)appropriate considering the dismissal of the Ambassador to Uzbekistan for, among other things, discovering and revealing that the president had had political opponents murdered by boiling them in oil.