Divide and Rule

[Kermit]

It is really tragic how so few people see what is really going on in this country.

All this talk of "benefit cheats", "scroungers" (normally single mothers), "illegal immigrants" and "illegal asyulm seekers" is just a smokesecreen, it's the oldest trick in the book. The good old political principle of divide and rule.

If the rulers get the working clases blaming each other for their poverty and their problems then the rulers, and the hyper-rich elite, get away with doing nothing. Why would someone blame Rupert Murdoch for his tax dodging if The Sun perpertually rails against single mums and immigrants. Why would someone blame the owners of the Daily Mail, or Dirty Desmond, if their respective newspapers ujust rant about thieving immigrants the whole time.

The rich are to blame for all the ills because they are the ones with the power. They could change the world for the better, but instead they change the world for the better of their wallet.

Posters who rant about "benefit scroungers" and justify tax dodges are only part of the machine- they have fallen for the old trick, and they won't fix anything by blaming it on those with even less.

[Blagsta]

Careful Kermit, that's anarchist talk! ;)

[Aladdin]

At a time when we're told we're going to have to pay more taxes, save more and work for longer to close the pensions hole, the super-rich/mega corporations are being allowed to avoid paying up to £85 bn annually. Like it's been said before, all the "benefit cheats", "illegal immigrants" and "scroungers" in the world don't count for even a small fraction of the money those greedy scumbags rob the country of every year.

All it takes is the right wing repulsive tabloids to keep their racist xenophobic smear campaign alive, and some people will happily continue finding scapegoats and go witch-hunting whilst allowing the real culprits to get away with daylight robbery.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

I agree with every word of that.

[wheresmyplacebo]

yup if we got the tax that the rich werent dodging we wouldnt have to raise taxes a single penny for quite a while

[morrocan roll]

it's the poor what gets the blame ...i think that line comes from a charles dickens story ...same as it ever was then.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

"It's the same the 'ole world over:
it's the poor what gets the blame,
it's the rich what gets the pleasure -
ain't it all a bleedin' shame?"

[Blagsta]

"The rich is getting richer every day,
And the little that the poor man got it shall be taken away.
Do you hear what I say? Yeah, hear what I say."

[Kermit]

That's true, J, but it is the hardest it has ever been to be an individual success.

Town centres are out for those who want to be successful traders or caterers- nobody will go to your shop ahead of Arcadia/Starbucks/Subway, if you aren't corporate things can't get better.

WE can change the world, that is evry true. But it would take people to stop blaming the weakest and start blaming the strongest, and that will not happen for a very very long time.

[BlackArab]

Divide and rule, one of the most oldest and effective tactics used by the Establishment worldwide.

As I've said before just look at the race riots in the North West, poor whites fighting poor Asians over who gets the most scraps off the table.

'Freedom is given
Speak how you feel
I have no freedom
How do you feel
They can lie to my face
But not to my heart
If we all stand together
It will just be the start'

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by BlackArab
'Freedom is given
Speak how you feel
I have no freedom
How do you feel
They can lie to my face
But not to my heart
If we all stand together
It will just be the start'

Who wrote that?

[Namaste]

I'd say yes and no.... It's part and part. I do know some people who won't work because they can't be bothered and it's annoying after you've done 52 hours a week in a busy bar to know that they're getting money for free so they can sit around and smoke pot all day...

However, the majority of people aren't like this... I believe there are scroungers, but also that papers do target people to place the blame on inequality...

Never knew Murdoch was a tax dodger.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by MoonRat
I do know some people who won't work because they can't be bothered and it's annoying after you've done 52 hours a week in a busy bar to know that they're getting money for free so they can sit around and smoke pot all day...

Being on JSA isn't really a barrel of laughs.

However, the majority of people aren't like this... I believe there are scroungers, but also that papers do target people to place the blame on inequality...

Never knew Murdoch was a tax dodger.

No, oddly it's never reported by News International. I wonder why...

Compared to what the rich diddle us out of, what the people who claim benefit do is nothing.

You know when you pay by card in a supermarket, and it says "you pay 2.5% to us as a fee"? All that is is a tax dodge, so they don't have to pay VAT on that 2.5%. You pay VAT in the price of the shop, and Tesco et al keep it, not the Government.Thieving scum.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Kermit
All this talk of "benefit cheats",

Originally posted by Kermit
Dobbing on benefit cheats is perfectly reasonable, and something all good citizens should do.

I would also bar those who have been caught scamming the system from ever being entitled to any benefit ever again, regardless of their circumstances.


Hmmmm...

[Kermit]

Consistency is my very watchword.

have you not noticed yet?

[Blagsta]

Hmmmm...

[morrocan roll]

and tax cheats should be barred from working ever again ...?

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Who wrote that?

Sham 69 - If The Kids Are United

http://www.sham69.com/hersham.htm#KIDS

This song for me is still so appropriate to this day.

[LabRat]

That ‘Money’ song is the best. It’s interesting how much money they’ve got for it… United Kids is good too. I know what they mean. United kids can kick arses of not united kids easily. A great pleasure, I know, I lived through, I felt… anyway I prefer to be a not united kid.

[Jon_UK]

Originally posted by J
Who's strongest though? Millions upon millions, or a few at the top? All we have to do is organise at another level, we could in theory flatten anything in our path.
Maybe I should keep clear of the revolutionary stuff, I'd be far too good at it.

I'm in total agreement with you on that one.

I was talking with a girl the other day about slavery in the US and the position of working class whites in the North of US and in Britain during the same time period and that despite so much more attention going to the plight of slaves over working class whites their situations were very similar and in some cases black slaves were better off than white workers - its a great area to study.

I studied slavery last year and the first question that came up was 'what came first racism or slavery?' and in the first seminar every one thought racism - by the end of the semester everyone thought slavery. Slavery has existed long before the first Europeans shipped africans over to the new world - poor people have been enslaved religously and financially for centuries. When the New World was discovered and there was a lack of poor people to generate the wealth rich europeans went over to africa and bought their poor people from other Africans.

It makes me so mad to think how we've all been completley fooled and even now when many people realise how badly we've been mislead the luxuries of a capitalist system are enough to keep us tame and enslaved.

Just the play on simple concepts like 'foreigners, immigrants and benefit cheats' are enough to make us forget that we have far more in common with people grouped under these categories than we do with the people telling us these people are bad!

Power to the people I say!

[budda]

Its not the capitalist system that keeps us 'enslaved to consumption' it is ourselves.

Why is it adults seem to be able to make adult choices most of the time but when it comes to consuming products we're all stupid and can be conned.

More than a little patronising if you ask me.

It is not our riches that are bad, its how we use them.

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by LabRat
… United Kids is good too. I know what they mean. United kids can kick arses of not united kids easily. A great pleasure, I know, I lived through, I felt… anyway I prefer to be a not united kid.

WRONG

And that is the reason Jimmy Pursey split the group because of cretins like yourself. The song is not a call to arms for 'the kids' to unite against others in the same situation as themselves but against those who would choose to divide them and the political establishment that had failed them.

It devastated him to find the band's gigs invaded and followed by Nazi thugs and bullyboys, who gained (as you so nicely put it) ' a great pleasure' from kicking the arses of anyone that was remotely different from themselves.

During the late 70s when the band were popular, British working class youth faced rising unemployment, low prospects and a wide range of extremists and fanatics only to willing to point the finger of blame at each other. These youths were seen as great potential street fighters for the causes spouted by idiots like yourself, who would no doubt be the first ones to disappear when things turned nasty.

Don't kid yourself, you really are not as clever as you would like everyone to believe, you pathetic, clueless, wanker.

[BlackArab]

Apologies, other posters/ mods for the rant. I have always tried to avoid answering his posts, as I find them largely unintelligible but that one got to me.

Normal service shall be resumed.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by BlackArab
Apologies, other posters/ mods for the rant. I have always tried to avoid answering his posts, as I find them largely unintelligible but that one got to me.

Normal service shall be resumed. ya friggin nutter!
you ...don't come in here as often as you should. why?

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by BlackArab
Don't kid yourself, you really are not as clever as you would like everyone to believe, you pathetic, clueless, wanker.

Wheyyy go BlackArab :hyper: :hyper:

thats a first..............keep up the good work :thumb:

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
ya friggin nutter!
you ...don't come in here as often as you should. why?

I gave up the 9-5 life last year and became a student.

Unfortunately that means, I quite often work in the evenings and the current job has no internet access. Should have done it years ago before my parents retired, now I'm self-funded. :(

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by BlackArab
I gave up the 9-5 life last year and became a student.

Unfortunately that means, I quite often work in the evenings and the current job has no internet access. Should have done it years ago before my parents retired, now I'm self-funded. :( all power to you mate ...hope you doo well.
self funded ...you mean as in real reality!
tough going innit ...there are people on here who ...oh nevvert mind.
all the best ba.

[LabRat]

Please Black Arab, do you seriously think I am an idiot? No, I’m not about offences and insults- everybody who dives into political debates must know he will get his fair share of insults sooner or later; I’m ready to get it; I’m not a sissy and I never think my opponents are my personal enemies. But I ask you again- are you sure I am an idiot? If you think so- please explain why? You can’t say I’m not educated ( because I AM educated) you can’t say I’m a brainless reader of some-kind-media ( right-wing from your point of view) because I am NOT a brainless reader of any kind of media, you can’t say that my opinions reflect my ‘class origin’ because you DON’T know my ’class origin’, you can’t say I’m brainwashed or indoctrinated by these or those because you can’t know by WHOM.
So what do you have in the end? To say I’m an idiot because my opinions are very different from all kinds of popular mythology (‘left-‘ and ‘right-’ wing kinds or socialism))? That’s all, right? Don’t you think it’s not enough to accuse me of being an idiot but quite enough to accuse YOU of it?