Could Boris Get the Sack?

[Renzo]

Story (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1328808,00.html)

That is slightly odd... will Howard sack him or is Boris to 'good' to lose?

[Kermit]

The Spectator is a newspaper that lives by doing this sort of stunt.

Why else would they still employ Taki, who I expect wrote this?

[Aladdin]

Taki is a sinister racist scumbag of the worst kind. That Boris saw fit to publish his infamous racist attack on blacks (though he claims he didn't see it until after publication) and furthermore didn't sack him for it is appalling.

I don't think Boris will get the sack for this latest incident though.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Taki is a sinister racist scumbag of the worst kind. That Boris saw fit to publish his infamous racist attack on blacks (though he claims he didn't see it until after publication) and furthermore didn't sack him for it is appalling.

All publicity is good publicity for a newspaper that no bugger reads.

[Disillusioned]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3749548.stm

[wheresmyplacebo]

it was a bit overblown, i feel sorry for his family etc BUT in terms of coverage, the amount of iraqis that go missing everyday makes me sadder

[Aladdin]

Yeah perhaps, from a certain point of view he's got a point. He shouldn't have singled out Liverpudlians though since it is a nation-wide phenomena.

But yes, the nation tends to over-react a little sometimes. The appalling mass hysteria after the death of Diana comes to mind...

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Yeah perhaps, from a certain point of view he's got a point. He shouldn't have singled out Liverpudlians though since it is a nation-wide phenomena.

But yes, the nation tends to over-react a little sometimes. The appalling mass hysteria after the death of Diana comes to mind...

true blamin liverpool alone sure was dodgy but i can comfortbly blaming whoole country for wallowing

i say good for boris though


always finding something to give a minutes silence

[Aladdin]

I thought observing a minute silence at the England game was bordering on the ridiculous myself.

[MrG]

what about the british soldiers who get shot in the gut and die slowly?

do they not get a mention?

[Kermit]

No.

Soldiers are just cannon fodder. Who gives a fuck about them?

The editorial in the Spectacularlyboring was just about spot on, in all honesty. But someone got offended, and suddenly it's a national outrage.

If it was penned by Taki, it's just about the first thing that that scrotum has ever written that doesn't make me want to kill him.

[Braineater]

What The Sun wrote in 1989 was disgraceful, and "suprisingly" absent from 50 Worst Decisions on Sky One a few weeks ago. But Johnson did have a smidgen of a point albeit written in a tactless, idiotic style.

[panda eyes]

im a scouser and think no, leave him alone.

[wheresmyplacebo]

just saw johnson on channel 4 news - saying sorry to lots of people but he amde clear it was only for offending them

felt sorry for the guy when it had a clip of him on radio wen bigleys borther called up, and called johnson a twit - all johnson said was "i cant really say anything to you but i did give you and your family my condolences, and my article wasnt about you"

no matter how much i hate the tories, i quite like boris, he's quite normal in personality

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by panda eyes
im a scouser and think no, leave him alone.

Why does you being a scouser make any difference to the validity of your opinion?


Apparently there was loads in the editorial that was really good, but it was that one paragraph that screwed it up.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Why does you being a scouser make any difference to the validity of your opinion?


thats a bloody daft question!
the attack was on scousers ...if it had been xristians ...blacks ...miners ...

[Fiend_85]

Well, to be fair, it's like me saying, 'well, I'm a southern pansy, so my opinion on it means nothing.'

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
Well, to be fair, it's like me saying, 'well, I'm a southern pansy, so my opinion on it means nothing.' but thats not what he said ...stop misbehaving!

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
but thats not what he said ...stop misbehaving!

But I want to misbehave!

[panda eyes]

lol :D
morrocan roll :)
Fiend_85 :rolleyes:

[stargalaxy]

Will Boris Johnson get the sack? Short answer - no. The editorial was stupid, but politicians have committed worst atrocities. Like sending our troops into an illegal war, perhaps.

[Kermit]

The editorial was right though.

And, to be brutally honest, I just wish Paul Bigley would shut the fuck up. Just because his brother was a cause celebre doesn't mean that his opinion is worth jack, and doesn't mean that I want to hear it.

His bleating should be put in a bin along with that of Lawrence and the Payne parents.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kermit
The editorial was right though.

And, to be brutally honest, I just wish Paul Bigley would shut the fuck up. Just because his brother was a cause celebre doesn't mean that his opinion is worth jack, and doesn't mean that I want to hear it.

His bleating should be put in a bin along with that of Lawrence and the Payne parents.

I think I agree, though probably wouldn't have put it like that.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
I think I agree, though probably wouldn't have put it like that.

yeah well.

I'm sick of all this pandering to their opinions just because something really shit happened to their kids/siblings.

The opinion of Lawrence in particular is just the other side of completely worthless, yet because of what happened to her son she's treated as some sort of deep and intellectual being. She's not, she's just a moronic windbag.

The Paynes haven't been seen for a while, and for that I am eternally grateful. They'll be back in 18 months when the next pretty little rich kid gets abducted.

[Fiend_85]

It does irritate me that somehow someone is an expert on something because it happened to them, it's not true. They're not doing anything helpful or constructive, infact the people that do tend to fade out quite quickly.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
They're not doing anything helpful or constructive, infact the people that do tend to fade out quite quickly.

Exactly.

Keep repeating the same moronic line ad infinitum, like the Paynes, and you'll always get your mug in the paper.

Say something biting and constructive and get ignored.

[Kentish]

Hear hear.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by Kermit
yeah well.

I'm sick of all this pandering to their opinions just because something really shit happened to their kids/siblings.
Spot on.

[slade]

His bleating should be put in a bin along with that of Lawrence and the Payne parents.

Putting seversal diffent cases uner same bleating roof

Bigley was after big-bucks and was 62 so in no way compares with Sarah Payne whose parents wanted effective anti-paedo legislation

Scousers do moan on though, hillsboro was a long time ago

Bet they sneak a read of the Sun whenever poss

[Kentish]

Originally posted by slade
Bigley was after big-bucks and was 62 so in no way compares with Sarah Payne whose parents wanted effective anti-paedo legislation
Actually you probably have no justification in saying that about him. He may have been after 'big-bucks' or he may have had other, more honourable, reasons for being there. That was one of the points of the Spectator leader: that people expressing emotion at Ken Bigley's death had no idea of the man they were supposedly mourning the loss of. It was a knee-jerk reaction just like the reaction to Diana's death, and every subsequent publicised tragedy.

As for the Payne's, they wanted 'Sarah's law'. Yes it was tragic that a paedophile abducted and murdered their daughter, but that doesn't qualify them to dictate law. Their opinion is no more valid than mine, despite them being victims of a crime.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Kentish
Actually you probably have no justification in saying that about him. He may have been after 'big-bucks' or he may have had other, more honourable, reasons for being there. That was one of the points of the Spectator leader: that people expressing emotion at Ken Bigley's death had no idea of the man they were supposedly mourning the loss of. It was a knee-jerk reaction just like the reaction to Diana's death, and every subsequent publicised tragedy.

As for the Payne's, they wanted 'Sarah's law'. Yes it was tragic that a paedophile abducted and murdered their daughter, but that doesn't qualify them to dictate law. Their opinion is no more valid than mine, despite them being victims of a crime. no but i think we can look upon them a little kinder ...understand their rage and pain.

[slade]

Their opinion is no more valid than mine, despite them being victims of a crime

they (the Payne's) are entitled to campaign

Bigley's relatives have little to campaign for

[Kentish]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
no but i think we can look upon them a little kinder ...understand their rage and pain.
As a public?

We can sympathise, sure, but we cannot possibly understand their rage and pain or genuinely "share" their grief.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kentish
As a public?

We can sympathise, sure, but we cannot possibly understand their rage and pain or genuinely "share" their grief.

I bow to you sir

[Kermit]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
no but i think we can look upon them a little kinder ...understand their rage and pain.

I understand and sympathise with them immensely. Don't get me wrong, what has happened to them is truly despicable, and I'd be on the warpath too.

It doesn't mean that their opinions should be pandered to.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by slade
they (the Payne's) are entitled to campaign
Well of course. But their campaign is made no more valid by them being victims of crime. It's just stronger because it is personal. The media obsession with getting campaigns like this going and creating public figures out of victims of crime is really quite pathetic. Public sympathy is no way to get support for legislation.

[Fiend_85]

Just because, for example, in my life I've had a lot of cancer sufferers, it doesn't make my opinion on cancer treatments or prevention than the lucky person who's never come close.

It's the same thing, you can respect my grief, even my opinion if you agree, but I shouldn't be pandered to.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Kentish
Public sympathy is no way to get support for legislation. public sympathy or outrage is an excellent vehicle for pushing agendas.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Fiend_85


It's the same thing, you can respect my grief, even my opinion if you agree, but I shouldn't be pandered to. but if you start speaking out ...your speaking with the voice of experience and deserve to be heard.
it's how awareness and dosh are raised.

[Kentish]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
public sympathy or outrage is an excellent vehicle for pushing agendas.
Yeah I was thinking that as I re-read my post. What I meant was that I do not think that public sympathy should be used such. It is effective at pushing agendas because the public are being told what to think and how to feel by the media. eg "You cannot possibly object to Sarah's Law - just look at how the family is suffering."

[Kermit]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
public sympathy or outrage is an excellent vehicle for pushing agendas.

I know.

Look at what Lawrence managed to do.

They even gave the dozy cow a CBE :mad:

[slade]

They even gave the dozy cow a CBE

hmm, yes, i don't believe Sara Payne's been so honoured

doreen L figure-headed HMGovt objectives, the implementation of the Mcpherson report. She never came across as particularly bright, just understandably bitter

Sara Payne's objectives didn't coincide with HMGovts