this is the knife ...

[morrocan roll]

...and this is the fork ok?
todays paper ...teachers are having to teach children how to use a bleedin't knife and fork now!
what is happening at home then?
i know about junk food and finger snacks but some parents ...well i just don't fink they should be.

are we mass producing muppets or what ...is this evolution?

[Zella]

I think thats just plain stupid, parents should have a book or something of what they need to teach their own kids, I mean its obvious that its not the schools job to teach them most of this stuff.

[morrocan roll]

they'll be potty training five year olds next.
i find it hard to believe that kids don't know how to use friggin eating utensils ...and they fink that nuffin matters ...how can they spend all those years at school and come out speaking like that?
we are going backwards ...how ...why?
luke ...please don't blame the government!

[Kermit]

Teachers have always had to do it.

I do actually believe that kids are sent to school too early.

[lukesh]

I remember in Primary School that if I didn't use my knife and fork I would get shouted at, also, I had to eat all my food or else I would be shouted at again.

[Kermit]

Forcing kids to eat everything, regardless of anything.

No wonder we have a generation of eating disorders.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Kermit
Forcing kids to eat everything, regardless of anything.

No wonder we have a generation of eating disorders. It's true. I was given apple pie every week, I hate it, but I had to eat it. My little brother and sister go my old primary school and apprantly the same witch still does the same thing.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by lukesh
It's true. I was given apple pie every week, I hate it, but I had to eat it. My little brother and sister go my old primary school and apprantly the same witch still does the same thing. same when i was a kid.
but whats not the same ...is kids not knowing how to use fucking eating irons!

[lukesh]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
same when i was a kid.
but whats not the same ...is kids not knowing how to use fucking eating irons! it's because (well from what i have seen around here), the parents are far to busy doing drugs and having a drink to give their kids a meal. they have toast or a bag of crips everyday.

[Senor Miguel]

well i never went to primary school but have managed to grasp the knife/fork concept, in 3rd year of degree as well so it can't have made a lot of difference, i just got 5 more years of my childhood to enjoy.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by lukesh
it's because (well from what i have seen around here), the parents are far to busy doing drugs and having a drink to give their kids a meal. they have toast or a bag of crips everyday. fuck me sideways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't forget the immigrants as well.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
fuck me sideways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't forget the immigrants as well. I knew you wouldn't believe me. Why do I bother? :(

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by lukesh
I knew you wouldn't believe me. Why do I bother? :( i'll try and find the article later for you to have a read of ...it's a large scale problem with working families ...both mum and dad out at work ...a very middle class problem apparently.
me and my drugs ...all my kids could read and write luke before they went to school ...they knew how to use a knife and fork ...they knew where to have a dump ...they knew not to swear at the teachers etc etc etc etc ...

[ShyBoy]

i still eat the wrong way round, it feels weird with the fork* in my left hand...

[Renzo]

Apparantly I use my knife and fork like a left handed person. Weird.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
i'll try and find the article later for you to have a read of ...it's a large scale problem with working families ...both mum and dad out at work ...a very middle class problem apparently.
me and my drugs ...all my kids could read and write luke before they went to school ...they knew how to use a knife and fork ...they knew where to have a dump ...they knew not to swear at the teachers etc etc etc etc ... mate what have YOU got to do with it? I was only telling you what goes on around ere!

[Kermit]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
i still eat the wrong way round, it feels weird with the knife in my left hand...

That's because you use the fork in your left hand.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
i still eat the wrong way round, it feels weird with the knife in my left hand... ditto! lol

I used to get shouted at for that at Primary school!

[Kermit]

Originally posted by lukesh
it's because (well from what i have seen around here), the parents are far to busy doing drugs and having a drink to give their kids a meal. they have toast or a bag of crips everyday.

You forgot to blame immigrants. Plank.

It's got nothing to do with that. At all.

It's because mum isn't at home any more- the parents aren't there to have the meal, to teach the kids. They have to work instead, otherwise they lose the house.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Kermit
You forgot to blame immigrants. Plank.

It's got nothing to do with that. At all.

It's because mum isn't at home any more- the parents aren't there to have the meal, to teach the kids. They have to work instead, otherwise they lose the house. the parents don't even more they live off incapacity benefits as their back hurts but they ride bikes and remove slabs from empty houses.

immigrants have nothing to do with this you plank!

[Kermit]

Originally posted by lukesh
the parents don't even more they live off incapacity benefits as their back hurts but they ride bikes and remove slabs from empty houses.

Sorry, are you in the same sphere of reality as us?

The problem has got nothing to do with "druggies"- if it did, it wouldn't be a problem, as it would be so small an issue.

If kids have latch-key parents, parents don't have the time to teach how to use a knife and fork, they don't have the time to cook good wholesome family meals, they don't have time to mop up all the accidents before the kid gets the grasp of it.

immigrants have nothing to do with this you plank!

They have nothing to do with 95% of what you say, but you still blame them.

[ShyBoy]

I think the strains of a lone parent family, which are becomming increasingly present in our society possibly due to teenage pregnancy, that the strain makes lots of things harder. For one thing, money. For another, time. And these are things which you need to give a child the best upbringing it can have. Sure, plenty can do fine without money, or without seeing their parents, but when you see wealthy young proffessionals who work from home looking after their kids and everything - you know that as long as the kid isn't spoilt they're going to go far. Or at least, should go far.

Whereas in families where the parents had a low standard of education, thus a low income, thus have to work more and have less time with the kids, then the kid is (for some unknown reason?) less likely to acheive than the 'rich kid' who has everything. It's a cycle I think.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Kermit
Sorry, are you in the same sphere of reality as us?

The problem has got nothing to do with "druggies"- if it did, it wouldn't be a problem, as it would be so small an issue.
yeah and if we legalise drugs it wouldn't be a problem at all.

my initial assumption I saw trying to say is that the parents are far too busy to look after their kids like around here.... they smoke, do drugs and drink 24/7.

Originally posted by Kermit

If kids have latch-key parents, parents don't have the time to teach how to use a knife and fork, they don't have the time to cook good wholesome family meals, they don't have time to mop up all the accidents before the kid gets the grasp of it. for have not read what i put yet again - I did say I was talking about what happens around my end and I am assuming that ois what happens around a lot of council estates.

Originally posted by Kermit


They have nothing to do with 95% of what you say, but you still blame them. yeah cheers for reminding me.

[ShyBoy]

Luke - problem with the drugs and booze thing is this: most of these families who we so easily foresake as bad parents etc, are in a poverty trap. They HAVE to work to feed the children. They can't go out and get cleverer to get a better job, so they take your mcjobs and everything that makes the young executives (like ourselves) be able to afford that cushy chair.

The vast majority of any money they earn will go on the children and the home and the bills. And remaining will probably go on things like you said, but this remaining is so small it's almost insignificant. Like, a packet of cigarrettes is so expensive, they can't afford to smoke.

They aren't geniuses, however, and don't know the ins and out of financial management. Which is why so many get caught out with 'miracle' store cards and credit cards - money when you need it, not when you have it. They have no way out, other than saving a tiny bit each week and going to evening classes and working REALLY hard. Even at that, it's going to take a hell of a lot of luck.

So in my opinion, I think it's a bit rash to blame it on drink and drugs, but I will concede I don't know the people in your area. Just seems odd that people would rather pay for drugs than food. I guess the habit can get that bad...

[morrocan roll]

i always knew stoke was a dump but the way luke describes it it sounds third world!

[lukesh]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
Luke - problem with the drugs and booze thing is this: most of these families who we so easily foresake as bad parents etc, are in a poverty trap. They HAVE to work to feed the children. They can't go out and get cleverer to get a better job, so they take your mcjobs and everything that makes the young executives (like ourselves) be able to afford that cushy chair.

The vast majority of any money they earn will go on the children and the home and the bills. And remaining will probably go on things like you said, but this remaining is so small it's almost insignificant. Like, a packet of cigarrettes is so expensive, they can't afford to smoke.

They aren't geniuses, however, and don't know the ins and out of financial management. Which is why so many get caught out with 'miracle' store cards and credit cards - money when you need it, not when you have it. They have no way out, other than saving a tiny bit each week and going to evening classes and working REALLY hard. Even at that, it's going to take a hell of a lot of luck.

So in my opinion, I think it's a bit rash to blame it on drink and drugs, but I will concede I don't know the people in your area. Just seems odd that people would rather pay for drugs than food. I guess the habit can get that bad... mate I havn't fully blamed it on drugs, smoking, drinking etc at all, I am just giving an example of what it is like here.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
i always knew stoke was a dump but the way luke describes it it sounds third world! don't be daft!

it aint nice put it that way!

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by rachie004
:no:

I find this absolutely shocking

I knew how to use a knife and fork when I went to school - but I managed to get told off for using it the *right* way, so I'd use it the wrong way.. then go home and get told off for using the wrong way :yeees:

and I used to get shouted at to eat meat because I've been a vegetarian from a young age - I had to get a letter from my Doctor saying I'm a vegetarian and they still used to try and make me eat it

and the bloody blue cups and prison like meal trays *shudder*

sorry what was the question? the first bit of bollox i ever sussed in this life was ...childhood is not the best years of your life!

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by lukesh
they have toast or a bag of crips everyday.

they eat crips! now thats what I call a tough neighbourhood ;)

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by BlackArab
they eat crips! now thats what I call a tough neighbourhood ;) whaaaaa!
id d laugh out loud then ...thast was 'did' by the way.

[UpsetChap]

http://www.uip.co.uk/films/crocodile_dundee_la/images/im_crocodile_dundee_07.jpg

[NaCN]

Originally posted by UpsetChap
http://www.uip.co.uk/films/crocodile_dundee_la/images/im_crocodile_dundee_07.jpg

:D

This is a knife...


I know how to use cutlery, and both my parents worked when I was at school.

We just ate when whichever one was cooking returned from working.

[morrocan roll]

i realy did laugh out loud many times throught this whole site ...i'm wishing you all a merry terrorist free xmas.

[Namaste]

I think they should be taught to use a knife and fork, to sit up straight and to eat with their mouths closed. To wait for everyone to arrive before they start eating and to eat healthily.

Good manners go a long way and there's nothing more repulsive than people smacking their lips when they eat.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by lukesh
my initial assumption I saw trying to say is that the parents are far too busy to look after their kids like around here.... they smoke, do drugs and drink 24/7.

Yes, of course they do. Every single person in stoke is off their tits on smack and beer, with a pack of Marlboros in their mouth.

:rolleyes:

The problem is not the druggies, because there AREN'T THAT MANY! The problem is that the middle classes are increasingly finding it hard to find the time to teach kids, to cook for kids, to clean up when dinner ends up on the floor because the kid hasn't mastered the knife and fork yet.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by MoonRat
I think they should be taught to use a knife and fork, to sit up straight and to eat with their mouths closed. To wait for everyone to arrive before they start eating and to eat healthily.

Good manners go a long way and there's nothing more repulsive than people smacking their lips when they eat.

It can make a big difference when you've got basic good manners.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by BlackArab
they eat crips! now thats what I call a tough neighbourhood ;) for your information in fact the way some people say crisps here is crips.

[Blagsta]

I think you missed the joke luke.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I think you missed the joke luke. ok but I just put a point across.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by lukesh
ok but I just put a point across.

Hmm.

The joke added more to the discussion.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by Kermit
Hmm.

The joke added more to the discussion.

I'll second that one.

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
It can make a big difference when you've got basic good manners.

Just to be controversial: surely it's all relative?

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
Just to be controversial: surely it's all relative? basic goodmanners is basic good manners.
holding the door open ...giving up your seat ...benefits everyone.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
i still eat the wrong way round, it feels weird with the fork* in my left hand...
me too. such bad manners I know.

[Fiend_85]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
Just to be controversial: surely it's all relative?

In addition to rolly's post, there are standard levels that everyone can agree on, not shoving loads into your mouth and chewing with your mouth wide open. It's simply not attractive, things change in different situations, at a business dinner you don't get drunk and you don't hold everyone else up for their next course.