Suicide pact

[Fiend_85]

Taken from a thread in the health forum.

Originally posted by Kermit
People who are already predisposed to commiting suicide get bullied.

Discuss. Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3634112.stm)

[budda]

I would say its the other way round, those who get bullied are more likely to commit suicide.

Though of course, if you are a quiet, shy, introspective child then your probably more likely to get bullied and commit suicide.

[Kermit]

What I meant is that the strong bully the weak.

At the beginning all children are strangers, so some children will attack anyone until they find a soft target. That soft target then becomes the bullied.

Something makes that child a soft target, and my argument is that a tendency to depression and suicide can sometimes make them a soft target.

This is not always true; if one group attack one person for being different, that child will become a soft target even if they weren't before.

People who bully should be nailed by the wrists to a cross of wood.

[piccolo]

Originally posted by Kermit
Something makes that child a soft target, and my argument is that a tendency to depression and suicide can sometimes make them a soft target. I think you may be right. I've spoken to several people in my time who've suffered with depression. All were bullied, but also they all have depression in the family (interestingly, all said people are girls and the depressed relative has always been their mother - just an aside). I think with me it was the case that what the bullies said confirmed what I already believed but hadn't acknowledged. Added to the fact that when the worst of bullying started my mum was having a nervous breakdown and her dad had just died, it's not surprising I ended up depressed as a kid but there's no denying I was already very vulnerable.

[swank]

*gone*

[Kermit]

Originally posted by swank
my point is, this girl luara apparently self harmed too.

And?

Self-harm and suicide are linked, but they are not the same thing. They are only linked because those who have no way to cope other than hurting themselves are also more likely to see death as the only way of ending the sorrow.

I've got an arm full of deep scars, but I've never attempted to take my life.

[dr_carter]

Originally posted by Kermit
What I meant is that the strong bully the weak.

At the beginning all children are strangers, so some children will attack anyone until they find a soft target. That soft target then becomes the bullied.

Something makes that child a soft target, and my argument is that a tendency to depression and suicide can sometimes make them a soft target.

This is not always true; if one group attack one person for being different, that child will become a soft target even if they weren't before.

People who bully should be nailed by the wrists to a cross of wood.

Have you any idea why people on the street seem to take offence at me for no good reason?

they're normally these arrogant little shits with baseball caps and phones attached to a bit of string round their necks - i know some people like this are lovely people but occasionally a group of them take it upon themselves to scream abuse at me

i always thought it was because i was different - the other day, i thought that maybe because i thought i was different i give of signals that say i'm different, and that might spark it more than if maybe i thought i was normal...

[dr_carter]

Originally posted by swank
Not sure if this is relevant, but i have spoken to someone over the internet who claims to have known the girl quite well (she told me laura was bullied so it could be true) anyway my point is, this girl luara apparently self harmed too.

I know people who have self-harmed and haven't thought of taking their own life (and yes, they would tell me), i know people who've done both (well only tried the suicide bit), and i knew someone who just killed themself without any prior warning, no-one had any idea why really. it's not interrelated.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by dr_carter
Have you any idea why people on the street seem to take offence at me for no good reason?

Yes.

You walk around with your head down, and when you come up to groups you'll lok scared of them. So they'll do it because you look weak.

I have a good "fuck off" face but I walk around with my head down. So people start then rapidly backtrack when I glare at them:D

[dr_carter]

Originally posted by Kermit
Yes.

You walk around with your head down, and when you come up to groups you'll lok scared of them. So they'll do it because you look weak.

I have a good "fuck off" face but I walk around with my head down. So people start then rapidly backtrack when I glare at them:D

That's freaky

You're not stalking me are you?!?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by dr_carter
You're not stalking me are you?!?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

[dr_carter]

Originally posted by Kermit
Maybe.

Maybe not.

Stay away from me.

Don't come near my family.

Especially my grandmother, unless you want to be told that she did a painting yesterday 20 times an hour.

[Fiend_85]

'Suicide' survivor expelled (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/3651008.stm)

Just bringing this back up to draw your attention to the update on the story.

[budda]

Strange development.

There was an article in my sunday paper about how self harm and depression amoung teens is going up and they are going to bring in an 'army' of therapists to deal with it.

Though where they are going to get them from it didnt say.

[Kermit]

The focus on self harm concerns me greatly, because self-harming is a symptom of other problems rather than being a problem in itself.

What will happen is those who self-harm will be bumped up the queue at the expense of other less "fashionable" illnesses, and this worries me.

Self harm is not an illness, it is a symptom. Everyone seems to ahve overlooked this point; I SH as a symptom of my BPD, not anything else.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Fiend_85
'Suicide' survivor expelled (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/3651008.stm)

Just bringing this back up to draw your attention to the update on the story.

The comments by the school only serve to show what I already thought- teachers and school authroities couldn't give a flying fuck about bullying.

All the lazy teachers want is an easy life, and having to deal with bullied pupils doesn't make their life easy. That school doesn't care what it did to that poor girl; if anything, I expect it's glad she's dead and doesn't have to deal with her anymore.

Schools don't care about you if you don't fit into their little boxes.

[budda]

Originally posted by Kermit
Self harm is not an illness, it is a symptom. Everyone seems to ahve overlooked this point; I SH as a symptom of my BPD, not anything else.

Sorry, but BPD?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Sorry, but BPD?

Borderline Personality Disorder.

[budda]

Oh, ok.

All the kids I knew at school who self-harmed or comtemplated/ attempted suicide were just plain depressed. I dont think any of them got proper diagnosis.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by bongbudda
All the kids I knew at school who self-harmed or comtemplated/ attempted suicide were just plain depressed. I dont think any of them got proper diagnosis.

Most still don't.

I haven't had a "proper" diagnosis, it's just what I've been told as I've made my way through the Mental Health service...

Most depressed don't go anywhere near a doctor, which is the big problem.