Rise in police searches of Asians

[lukesh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3859023.stm

what do you think? when they say it's islamaphobia, I start to laugh. it's for the safety of everyone.

just think of it this way....

who are mots likely to be terroists?
Muslims Asians.

who are most likely to be peadophiles?
White Men

see what i mean?

[Aladdin]

I wouldn't go as far as calling it Islamophobia but the police appears to be prejudiced when it comes to selecting targets for the s & s. Long live stereotypes!

The 9/11 hijackers, and indeed the 11-M bombers in Madrid were not wearing traditional Asian dresses or Muslim caps- yet these are the very people being stopped on the streets.

Memo to all terrorist groups in the world: just recruit a few white, blonde, blue-eyed members and you'll be able to put a explosive belt and have them walk all the way into 10 Downing St or the White House unchecked.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
I wouldn't go as far as calling it Islamophobia but the police appears to be prejudiced when it comes to selecting targets for the s & s. Long live stereotypes!

The 9/11 hijackers, and indeed the 11-M bombers in Madrid were not wearing traditional Asian dresses or Muslim caps- yet these are the very people being stopped on the streets.

Memo to all terrorist groups in the world: just recruit a few white, blonde, blue-eyed members and you'll be able to put a explosive belt and have them walk all the way into 10 Downing St or the White House unchecked. them in tradional muslim dress get targeted? I think you'll find it's young muslim boys around 18 - 30 that are getting most targeted and not many wear tradtional muslim dress, even the woman don't.


I don't see why muslims should be complaining. if they have nothing to hide they wouldn't mind, simple as.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by lukesh



I don't see why muslims should be complaining. if they have nothing to hide they wouldn't mind, simple as.

Even though they do not have anything to hide, it is still a massive infringement on their civil liberties.

You dont see the irish getting searched more often do you with people assuming all irish have links to the ira do you?

[Aladdin]

Well if you were stopped on a weekly basis on the street while people of other races never appeared to be stopped you wouldn't find it very funny, regardless of whether you fully agree with s & s in these 'difficult times'.

I'm not saying that's what happening at the moment, but the police must ensure to use common sense.

[lukesh]

you can't win with you lot. If we get a terroist attack you would be moaning to the police for not ssearching, make your mind up.

if they searched me, i'd be thankful that they are trying to protect us. it would be reassuring. and read the stats properly, the vast majority are white british that are still getting checked.

[Aladdin]

If they searched you every other week and studied you carefully on the street every time you walked past a policemen you would change your mind rather rapidly, believe me.

I am not necessarily against s & s but as I said the police must ensure it is done in a reasonable and proportionate manner.

Don't you agree with that?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
If they searched you every other week and studied you carefully on the street every time you walked past a policemen you would change your mind rather rapidly, believe me.

I am not necessarily against s & s but as I said the police must ensure it is done in a reasonable and proportionate manner.

Don't you agree with that? of course and it is isn't it?

[Aladdin]

Well it certainly wasn't the case in the past with regard to black people, who were discriminately being stopped and searched just because of the colour of their skin. If you happened to be black and own a decent car you were doomed...

I don't know how the situation is today. A rise of 300% for s & s on the Asian/Muslim community seems disproportionate to me.

I know the police is in a difficult position but they must try their hardest to strike the right balance between carrying out security checks and avoid sending the message that Muslim = terrorist. It’s also a question of not antagonising people too much over something that might never happen. And even if it does s & s doesn’t exactly provide much security and assurance. Those who might be planning a co-ordinated attack or suicide bombing would be unlikely to resemble the people the police are stopping and searching at the moment- at least on the day when they planned to strike.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Well it certainly wasn't the case in the past with regard to black people, who were discriminately being stopped and searched just because of the colour of their skin. If you happened to be black and own a decent car you were doomed...

Yep, heard about that one.

Originally posted by Aladdin
I don't know how the situation is today. A rise of 300% for s & s on the Asian/Muslim community seems disproportionate to me.

why? It's bound to happen, it will clam down soon. why does it bother you that the police are making it safe for all of us?

Originally posted by Aladdin

I know the police is in a difficult position but they must try their hardest to strike the right balance between carrying out security checks and avoid sending the message that Muslim = terrorist. It’s also a question of not antagonising people too much over something that might never happen. And even if it does s & s doesn’t exactly provide much security and assurance. Those who might be planning a co-ordinated attack or suicide bombing would be unlikely to resemble the people the police are stopping and searching at the moment- at least on the day when they planned to strike. these days we ca not trust anyone so what the police are doing now is the only way.

i say just leave it to them.

[wheresmyplacebo]

obviously the police shouldnt be prejudiced in their searches but in the face of this apparant terroism, probability says that there more chance of an asian person being a suicide bomber than say a white english prson or black person... not to say there isnt any black or white terroists, just that the current threat comes from a relgion where most of the people who practice are seen to be asian of some sort, and there then more chance of an asian being someone who extreme enough to be a suicide bomber


as in quantumphysics, its never about the individual case, its all about the overall probability :lol:

[ladymuck]

I don't know how the situation is today. A rise of 300% for s & s on the Asian/Muslim community seems disproportionate to me.

According to R4 it's only 8 s & s's per day in the Greater London area so that rise must be from practically nothing

I don't suppose terrorists would walk around with much to indicate their activity maybe car-stops a better idea

Muslims would surely expect more scrutiny?

[Whowhere]

It's worth noting that the numbers of random searches on white people have also signifcantly increased.
I don't support random searches based on someone's ethnicity, but if the forces in question have recieved intelligence indicating that it would be prudent to search people of Asian origin then I agree, to an extent.
It's worth bearing in mind however that the 9/11 terrorists all appeared to be middle aged. But most of the searches are on teenagers. Hmm.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Whowhere
It's worth noting that the numbers of random searches on white people have also signifcantly increased.
I don't support random searches based on someone's ethnicity, but if the forces in question have recieved intelligence indicating that it would be prudent to search people of Asian origin then I agree, to an extent.
It's worth bearing in mind however that the 9/11 terrorists all appeared to be middle aged. But most of the searches are on teenagers. Hmm. true, but hey I'm not surpirsed when we have people like abu hamza.

[Whowhere]

Last I heard Mr Hamza wasn't learning how to fly aircraft into buildings.
He has never been found to have a direct link to Al-Qaeda, he supports them but there's no evidence for anything else.

You should read "Dude, where's my country" by Michael Moore, and ask yourself why is it that Al-Qaeda were blamed for 9/11 when the tactics, skill and technical ability required to co-ordinate such an attack are the hall marks of a military and not a suicide operation.
According to pilots it's pretty impossible to fly and jet flying at 500mph into something as small as a 5 storey building unless you've had military training.

Ask yourself another question, if the attackers had been say, Iraqi or North Korean would the headlines have said this:
"Iraq/North Korea attacks the USA"

Why didn't they say "Saudi-Arabia attacks the USA"???



Anyway, completely irrelevant. I don't like how there has been another dispropotionate rise in searches on Asians. And something needs to be addressed with this. If anything a young, would-be suicide bomber won't carry anything incriminating if he knows he will be randomly stopped, would he.

[ladymuck]

It's worth bearing in mind however that the 9/11 terrorists all appeared to be middle aged. But most of the searches are on teenagers.

Maybe it's more spinelessness on behalf of the Police, do more searches on Asians but make sure they're teenagers (adults know their rights more and would get some lefty lawyer in to kick ass)

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
they have nothing to hide they wouldn't mind, simple as.

Tell that to the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Michael Groce, Blair Peach's family etc etc

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by ladymuck
(adults know their rights more and would get some lefty lawyer in to kick ass)


What rights exactly? The police have the right to search an individual if they have reasonable belief they have, or are about to commit an offence.
You can argue all you like about lawyers when you've been searched but if that officer sticks "terrorism act" or something similar on the form then it sticks.

[Blagsta]

"reasonable belief" however, does not mean skin colour, dress, haircut etc

[ladymuck]

You can argue all you like about lawyers when you've been searched but if that officer sticks "terrorism act" or something similar on the form then it sticks

Police should , according to 9/11 photos , be s&s'ing shifty looking middle-eastern foreigners with reactolite shades on, late 20's onwards. No probs(why should I have, i don't fit that profile:D )

If they're s&s'ing teenagers and putting "terrorism act" or something similar on the form then it discredits their actions

[Teagan]

Originally posted by lukesh
[Bwho are most likely to be peadophiles?
White Men [/B]

Um ... I don't think so. It happens in all communities regardless of race or colour.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Teagan
Um ... I don't think so. It happens in all communities regardless of race or colour. yep, but it's mostly white.

[Clandestine]

Classic example of what I was talking to you yesterday Luke.

You're making a sweeping assertion of fact without any substantiating evidence to back up that claim. If you wish to be taken seriously then back up your assertions with verifiable research or you simply sound like a self-confirmed bigot.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Clandestine
Classic example of what I was talking to you yesterday Luke.

You're making a sweeping assertion of fact without any substantiating evidence to back up that claim. If you wish to be taken seriously then back up your assertions with verifiable research or you simply sound like a self-confirmed bigot. what the hell are you talking about now? Classic example that you are NOT reading what I say yet again.

The claim above says most people who get stopped are Whites, the source says that. And for peadophiles you very rarely hear a Black/Asian man as a peadophile, don't get me wrong there are some but white is the obvious majority.

I wish you would stop having ago at me on every post I make, If Iam not good enough for you, not educated enough, don't hold the same view as you then simple don't debate with me. No one else is complianing.

Thank you!

[Blagsta]

Actually luke, lots of people are complaining.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Actually luke, lots of people are complaining. I can't see "lots" of people, just you and Clandestine in fact.

what are you complaining about me now?

[Clandestine]

I suggest you also learn the difference between admonition and complaint.

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by lukesh
I can't see "lots" of people, just you and Clandestine in fact.

what are you complaining about me now?

I would have complained, but I couldn't be arsed. Anyway, white people may be stopped and searched more because there are more of them. Proportionally, black men are 6 times more likely to be stopped and searched.

Government Source (http://www.cre.gov.uk/duty/duty_facts.html) "Ethnic minorities are over-represented throughout the criminal justice system from 'stop and search' to prison."

I couldn't find any sources to dispute or confirm your comment that most peodophiles are white. Again, that may be the case in the UK since there are more white people, but it's important to look at the figures proportionally.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
I can't see "lots" of people, just you and Clandestine in fact.

what are you complaining about me now?

:rolleyes:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Clandestine
I suggest you also learn the difference between admonition and complaint. I know what complaint means but do I? and havn't got a clue what the other word means.

[ladymuck]

The above source was not a government source but the CRE, government-supported and funded but part of the Race relations industry , keen to keep the race-debate going as it keeps them in jobs

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by ladymuck
The above source was not a government source but the CRE, government-supported and funded but part of the Race relations industry , keen to keep the race-debate going as it keeps them in jobs

Then surely it would be an organisation and not .gov.uk like most other government websites? :confused:

[ladymuck]

The CRE is not a government department but a quango. It is allowed to .use gov.uk, it's employees are not civil-servants

[Whowhere]

I'll be a bit clearer on what I posted, not for the benefit of Ladymuck, she's gone hehe.
On the stop form an officer has to give a good reason for the stop, they have to have reasonable belief that the person they have stopped could have been involved in something.
When I say "terrorism" I'll clarify.
At any time if a superintendant beieves there is a significant threat in a certain part of a city this can be:
extreme violence
drugs
Possibility of terrorism

[lukesh]

just let the police do their job, Asians don't have one of anyone else so why should the police bend the rules for them?

which means that laws should apply to everyone.

[Blagsta]

^
does that make any sense to anyone? :confused:

[Jim V]

as an interesting aside I've been stopped and had a car searched twice in recent months in the center of London.

The question here Luke is that the law isn't applying to everyone, it's seems it's being applied more to one particular group.

[Aladdin]

Apparently no terror arrest has been made as a result of the searches- however some Asians (and others) have been arrested for other offences, such as possession of drugs.

So here we have it again: big brother watching you, searching you and using feeble excuses to bang you up one way or another. And whereas I would not object to the odd search for the sake of 'national security' (i.e. ensuring I'm not carrying a weapon or an explosive belt) I certainly object to searches made in the name of 'anti-terrorism' becoming general searches and leading to the person being arrested because it turns out they had drugs on them.

[wheresmyplacebo]

more young people are searched than old people if you noticed, and more males....


im not saying theyre being sexist or 'ageist', they just using criminal profiles and the fact theres a higher probability of a male being a terroist here


theyre making a big deal out of nothing

[lukesh]

I rather have Big Brother watching over me at this point in life than dying in a terroist attack.

[marv]

Well apply for next years BB show then

[lukesh]

Originally posted by marv
Well apply for next years BB show then lol

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by lukesh
lol

post count +1:p

[lukesh]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
post count +1:p Post coounts cost nothing mate, it's what is said counts.

Opps I only said "lol".

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by lukesh
I rather have Big Brother watching over me at this point in life than dying in a terroist attack.



You should move to America then mate.
Ever heard of the Patriot Act? Or the Patriot Act II?
Read up on them, you'll be surprised at how easy Bush has made it to declare martial law, detain people without charge, investigate people, e.t.c.
He had over 1000 people detained after 9/11, not one of them was charged with a terrorist offence, however he still deported about 400 of them, for no reason whatsoever.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Whowhere
You should move to America then mate.
Ever heard of the Patriot Act? Or the Patriot Act II?
Read up on them, you'll be surprised at how easy Bush has made it to declare martial law, detain people without charge, investigate people, e.t.c.
He had over 1000 people detained after 9/11, not one of them was charged with a terrorist offence, however he still deported about 400 of them, for no reason whatsoever. Bush again? When are you going to stop talking about him!

This topic has nothing todo with Bush.

[Rocksteady]

It seams neither the lefties or the right in this argument accutually know what they are talking about....

For a start s & s cannot be conducted with a belief that the person is a terriorist so relating your arguments to muslim terriorists is wrong.

In an area if robberies are statistically more likely to be carried out by muslim's and a muslim fits the police's evidence do they not have every right to s & s them?

Lastly you will find the areas with the highest crime rates in the UK are urban areas. These urban areas are where the vast majority of the UK's ethnic minorities live and in some districts they outnumber the native white people. S & s a random person in an area with a high ethnic population and crime with lead to far more s & s of ethnic minorities and a great over representation statistically anyway.

[Blagsta]

^

eh? :confused:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Rocksteady


Lastly you will find the areas with the highest crime rates in the UK are urban areas. These urban areas are where the vast majority of the UK's ethnic minorities live and in some districts they outnumber the native white people. S & s a random person in an area with a high ethnic population and crime with lead to far more s & s of ethnic minorities and a great over representation statistically anyway. Correct. That is why many Muslims seem to be targeted.

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by lukesh
Correct. That is why many Muslims seem to be targeted.

luke no not muslims, the word is asians, asians get it!?

they no the same thing, one is only part of the other

[lukesh]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
luke no not muslims, the word is asians, asians get it!?

they no the same thing, one is only part of the other Asians then.

Many sources only state Muslims instead of Asians, even the BBC.

[Rocksteady]

The Muslims are the only Asians that complain.....

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Rocksteady
The Muslims are the only Asians that complain..... further more agree with you. when do you hear a indian complain?

I know many indians they never complain about soceity, muslims, all they do is complain.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Rocksteady
The Muslims are the only Asians that complain.....

Bollocks. Where the hell did you get that from?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
further more agree with you. when do you hear a indian complain?

I know many indians they never complain about soceity, muslims, all they do is complain.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Indians can be Muslim. Idiot.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Indians can be Muslim. Idiot. clever!!!

the majority of Indians in this country and around the world are Hindu.

You can be a clown sometimes with these clever comments.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Bollocks. Where the hell did you get that from? it's obvious!


give me some evidense what shows that Muslims are NOT the biggest complainers...

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by lukesh
muslims, all they do is complain.

That is a racist comment. Anyway, if you lived in a country dominated by blacks for example and got stopped and searched every time you went into town on the basis of your skin colour you would be pretty peed off.

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by lukesh
give me some evidense what shows that Muslims are NOT the biggest complainers...

Give me evidence to show you are NOT a complete fruitcake. You just say your statement is valid by asking others to prove it wrong, you must prove your own statement true! Then people can try and prove it false. How on earth can you say if someone follows Islam that they are a complainer?!?! To be brutally honest with you luke, you complain on here a hell of a lot more than other people and perhaps it's a bad assumption but I thought you were christian??

If you were Muslim there's no way you'd be going on the same line of argument; there's no fair way to justify what you are saying!!

[Jim V]

Incase you aren't getting this -

It is racist to judge an entire race of people as the same. To say that all muslims are complainers is racism pure and simple. If posters here want to be racist then go do it on a board that allows it.

Oh and if you want to see the vile results of thinking that way, don't miss the report on the BBC tonight.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
That is a racist comment. Anyway, if you lived in a country dominated by blacks for example and got stopped and searched every time you went into town on the basis of your skin colour you would be pretty peed off. a racist comment? :confused:

You are missing the point. Asians, are being searched for a reason, not their skin colour. the quicker they and you realise that the better!

[lukesh]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
Give me evidence to show you are NOT a complete fruitcake. You just say your statement is valid by asking others to prove it wrong, you must prove your own statement true! Then people can try and prove it false. How on earth can you say if someone follows Islam that they are a complainer?!?! To be brutally honest with you luke, you complain on here a hell of a lot more than other people and perhaps it's a bad assumption but I thought you were christian??

If you were Muslim there's no way you'd be going on the same line of argument; there's no fair way to justify what you are saying!! you can call me what the hell you like, i know what I am and thats all I need to know!

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jim V
Incase you aren't getting this -

It is racist to judge an entire race of people as the same. To say that all muslims are complainers is racism pure and simple. If posters here want to be racist then go do it on a board that allows it.

Oh and if you want to see the vile results of thinking that way, don't miss the report on the BBC tonight. okokok, i didn't actually mean 'all" muslims, how ever I do mean they are the most likely to complain. Well, thats the way I see it.

I am going to watch the documentary tongiht, I am already angrey with what i have read in the sun today. BNP are thugs, It's hard for me to think that i live in a city with racists.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by lukesh
okokok, i didn't actually mean 'all" muslims, how ever I do mean they are the most likely to complain. Well, thats the way I see it.

Actually I think that you'll find that the group of people most likely to complain are right-wing in their political approach.

And they complain about a great many things, it's isn't a co-incidence that there is a joke about complaints being from "Angry of Tunbridge Wells"...

I am going to watch the documentary tongiht, I am already angrey with what i have read in the sun today. BNP are thugs, It's hard for me to think that i live in a city with racists.

Accept it because they are everwhere. It's a small minority who seem to have a loud voice...

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
It's a small minority who seem to have a loud voice...

...amplified by the media and echoed by people paranoid about some BNP power grab.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
...amplified by the media and echoed by people paranoid about some BNP power grab.


...and those who voted for them as a "protest" against the Labour Government. That just gives these sumbags the belief that they actually do have the support of the country for their hideous racist agenda.

I hope that everyone who voted BNP will be ashamed of themselves when they watch the documentary tonight.

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
...and those who voted for them as a "protest" against the Labour Government. That just gives these sumbags the belief that they actually do have the support of the country for their hideous racist agenda.

I hope that everyone who voted BNP will be ashamed of themselves when they watch the documentary tonight.

Maybe there should be a protest vote box to tick on ballot papers? :chin:

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
Maybe there should be a protest vote box to tick on ballot papers? :chin:

Indeed. There should be the option "none of the above" for those of us who think that they are all unworthy of our votes...

It would be interesting to see someone form a Govt if the majority voted that way ;)

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
clever!!!

the majority of Indians in this country and around the world are Hindu.

You can be a clown sometimes with these clever comments.

It may be the majority religion, but that doesn't mean that there are no Indian Muslims.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
it's obvious!


give me some evidense what shows that Muslims are NOT the biggest complainers...

No, its your assertion, its up to you to back it up.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
a racist comment? :confused:

You are missing the point. Asians, are being searched for a reason, not their skin colour. the quicker they and you realise that the better!

They are getting searched more because of their skin colour. Unless you think all asians are potential terrorists?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
It may be the majority religion, but that doesn't mean that there are no Indian Muslims. true.

Around 1 in 10 Indians are Muslim.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
No, its your assertion, its up to you to back it up. I don't have to give any evivdense for this as I said it feels like to me. It doesn't mean it's a fact. thats how I see it, I believe Muslims are more likely to complain than anyone.

[Blagsta]

Yeah, but you believe lots of things that are plain bullshit.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
They are getting searched more because of their skin colour. Unless you think all asians are potential terrorists? if you stir racism.

They get checked because of their skin colour! You are an idiot!

They get checked for safety purposes.

Also, whites are the massive majority who are searched, why do they get searched? because they are white isn't it?

NO!

You are making it a racist issue which creates racism.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Yeah, but you believe lots of things that are plain bullshit. whcih YOu think.

You think that your so correct, or politically correct you dismiss the truth about everything.

[Blagsta]

eh? :confused: :confused:

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
I don't have to give any evivdense for this as I said it feels like to me. It doesn't mean it's a fact. thats how I see it, I believe Muslims are more likely to complain than anyone.

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but most people and things defending minority groups aren't by the groups themselves. William Willoughby (excuse my spelling), JFK etc. Political correctness was made up by middle-aged white straight men in suits, not Carlton, Minesh and Julian.

Anyway, I don't have anything to contribute to the debate itself, so I'll leave it and continue to read what others have to say.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
eh? :confused: :confused: hahahahhaha

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
hahahahhaha

When I said I had nothing to contribute to the debate, it appears you don't either, so maybe I will contribute to the petty argument instead.

What you said meant no sense. You seem to think you have outsmarted Blagsta, when you actually just typed a load of bullshit.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
hahahahhaha

You're not making any sense luke.

This

if you stir racism.

They get checked because of their skin colour! You are an idiot!

They get checked for safety purposes.

Also, whites are the massive majority who are searched, why do they get searched? because they are white isn't it?

NO!

You are making it a racist issue which creates racism.

What does it mean? That I am creating racism because some asians feel that they are being unfairly picked on by the police because of their skin colour?

Sorry, but what the fuck? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
You're not making any sense luke.

This



What does it mean? That I am creating racism because some asians feel that they are being unfairly picked on by the police because of their skin colour?

Sorry, but what the fuck? :confused: :confused: :confused: do you agree that asians and whites are being pciked up by the police for terroism or because of the colour of their skin?

[Blagsta]

Some asians feel that they are picked on due to the colour of their skin.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Some asians feel that they are picked on due to the colour of their skin. they are being paarnoid then!

no one is against them...

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
they are being paarnoid then!

no one is against them...

So luke thinks that he knows better than the personal experience of some asian people?

Arrogant twat.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
So luke thinks that he knows better than the personal experience of some asian people?

Arrogant twat. still swearing over nothing at your age? It's time you grew up me thinks.


the police are just doing thier job. simple as that!

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
What does it mean? That I am creating racism because some asians feel that they are being unfairly picked on by the police because of their skin colour?

Sorry, but what the fuck? :confused: :confused: :confused:


okay blagsta like we tell luke - just cause you percieve something doesnt mean thats actually happening


in this case the asians who feel they being treated unfairly, they might not be even if they feel it, because probability says a terroist would be asian (PERSONALLY I JUST THINK THIS PARANOIA IS HELPING THE TERROISTS!) then there would be on proportion more searches of asians because they not definetly terroists, but are statistically more likely to be a terroist of the sort which worries the government/media

do i make sense?

[Blagsta]

If some asian people feel that they are being unfairly targetted, that has to be dealt with. Who are you to tell them that their experience doesn't mean anything?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
If some asian people feel that they are being unfairly targetted, that has to be dealt with. Who are you to tell them that their experience doesn't mean anything? they are being paranoid. take 1 of the 2 routes.

1) checks so that we are all safe
2) no checks and suffer from a terroist attack

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
they are being paranoid. take 1 of the 2 routes.

So the almighty all knowing luke knows that they are all paranoid? LOL!

Originally posted by lukesh
1) checks so that we are all safe
2) no checks and suffer from a terroist attack

How about - searching people based on actual intelligence, not purely on skin colour. Unless (as I already asked), you believe that all asians are terrorists?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
So the almighty all knowing luke knows that they are all paranoid? LOL!



How about - searching people based on actual intelligence, not purely on skin colour. Unless (as I already asked), you believe that all asians are terrorists? can we trust intelligence? i bet your one of the first to critise the Iraqi intelligence.

asians do not have one over the police.

they should put up with it, god, the coppers are trying to make us safe.

do you trust the police? or are they also racist?

[Blagsta]

No, I don't trust the police.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
No, I don't trust the police. lol. don't trust amnyt things do you, but you trust government ayslum figures and stuff like that. they aint sexed up are they?

because you choose to believe it.

back to topic..

police are just doing thier job to protect us all.

[Blagsta]

I don't trust the police from personal experience.

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
If some asian people feel that they are being unfairly targetted, that has to be dealt with. Who are you to tell them that their experience doesn't mean anything?

of course it means something and has to be addressed by talking to the communites about it, but it doesnt actually mean the stops and searches are wrong in themselves or the method used in them

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
of course it means something and has to be addressed by talking to the communites about it, but it doesnt actually mean the stops and searches are wrong in themselves or the method used in them

No of course they're not wrong, if conducted in a proper and non-discriminatory manner.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I don't trust the police from personal experience. ok, I have no say in that.
but come on, the government hasn't told the police to search asians more than ever to be racist. it's for a reason yeah?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
ok, I have no say in that.
but come on, the government hasn't told the police to search asians more than ever to be racist. it's for a reason yeah?

This is like banging my head against a wall. :rolleyes:

If the police are searching more asians purely because they are asian, then it is a racist policy.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
This is like banging my head against a wall. :rolleyes:

If the police are searching more asians purely because they are asian, then it is a racist policy. bang it really hard yeah?


ok it's racist then, what ever you say!

:confused:

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
No of course they're not wrong, if conducted in a proper and non-discriminatory manner.

just because they feel unfairly treated, doesnt mean they are actually being unfairly treated


its like how people's fear of crime has increased even though chances of it happening are lower


thats all im saying, perhaps the police should engage more with the local communities so people are thinking less about "us" vs "them"

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
This is like banging my head against a wall. :rolleyes:

If the police are searching more asians purely because they are asian, then it is a racist policy.

but theyre being searched for a higher probablereason, you might call it racism, but there is actually a purpose behind it, and a good one at that, which is to stop terroists


which personally i think is a pile of crap, this terroist crap, as the terroists are winning since their job is to install fear

BUT the police are just using criminal profile to build up a picture of a likely suspect of a terroist, and that just happens to be asians

it werent racist to target white people as IRA suspects so :rolleyes:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
but theyre being searched for a higher probablereason, you might call it racism, but there is actually a purpose behind it, and a good one at that, which is to stop terroists


which personally i think is a pile of crap, this terroist crap, as the terroists are winning since their job is to install fear

BUT the police are just using criminal profile to build up a picture of a likely suspect of a terroist, and that just happens to be asians

But what if the police are stopping and searching people because of skin colour but with no other reason or evidence? That is racist. Assuming that asian people are likely to be terrorists.

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
it werent racist to target white people as IRA suspects so :rolleyes:

Actually, during the 70's and 80's, the police did unfairly target Irish people.

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
1.But what if the police are stopping and searching people because of skin colour but with no other reason or evidence? That is racist. Assuming that asian people are likely to be terrorists.



2.Actually, during the 70's and 80's, the police did unfairly target Irish people.

answer to

1. well stop and searches are just random checks, and IT IS MORE LIKELY (STATISTICALLY) that a asian person would be a terroist so on proportion more should be stopped and searched

2. yeh i know that aobut how more irish were searched but in the 70s i bet most of the people they searched were still white though? and no-one said "oh more white people are being searched than black/asian people thats racist"

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
answer to

1. well stop and searches are just random checks, and IT IS MORE LIKELY (STATISTICALLY) that a asian person would be a terroist so on proportion more should be stopped and searched

Stop and searches should not be random. The police are only allowed to stop and search if they reasonably believe that the person they are searching has committed a crime or is in possession of contraband. Skin colour, dress, hair style etc, is not reasonable suspicion.

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
2. yeh i know that aobut how more irish were searched but in the 70s i bet most of the people they searched were still white though? and no-one said "oh more white people are being searched than black/asian people thats racist"

Yes, they probably were white. Yes, it was seen as being racist.

[lukesh]

god man everything is racist to you.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
god man everything is racist to you.

No. But if people are unfairly picked on because of their skin colour, then that is racist.

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Stop and searches should not be random. The police are only allowed to stop and search if they reasonably believe that the person they are searching has committed a crime or is in possession of contraband. Skin colour, dress, hair style etc, is not reasonable suspicion.



Yes, they probably were white. Yes, it was seen as being racist.

but im white and i werent complaing white people were being searched, as they were more likely to fit profiles


and okay i used the term random far too loosesly, i know police have to have reasonable suspicion, but it wasnt as if every asian was searched, it werent too many if im mistaken, and remember all sort of things can prejudice someones decision making on whether to stop and search, and well someone being asian who fits the profile is one of them, and it werent done to offend the communitty, it was done to do a job which is to stop terroism

[wheresmyplacebo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
No. But if people are unfairly picked on because of their skin colour, then that is racist.

their not being picked on though, they only feel picked on, doesnt mean they are though, and unfair, depends on ur definition of unfair, they match the profile which is fair, but it culd be seen as unfair as they happen to be asian

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
No. But if people are unfairly picked on because of their skin colour, then that is racist. yeha but you think everyone is picked on because of the colour of their skin, which is crazy.

most things are justified which means they are done for a reason.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
but im white and i werent complaing white people were being searched, as they were more likely to fit profiles

:banghead:

Irish people would complain about being picked on purely for being Irish.

Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
and okay i used the term random far too loosesly, i know police have to have reasonable suspicion, but it wasnt as if every asian was searched, it werent too many if im mistaken, and remember all sort of things can prejudice someones decision making on whether to stop and search, and well someone being asian who fits the profile is one of them, and it werent done to offend the communitty, it was done to do a job which is to stop terroism

But obviously it was done in a manner that offended some of the asian community. We wouldn't be having this discussion otherwise, would we?