knives

[blood__junkie]

sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but i was wondering what is the largest knife yo can legally carry, be it a butchers knife or pen knife, anyone know??

[Capacity]

With a knife 3 inches or under you cannot be charged simply with possession. However, you can still be prosecuted under other laws.

[piccolo]

Originally posted by Capacity
However, you can still be prosecuted under other laws. Like what? Sorry I'm a bit ignorant here.

[LabRat]

I always carry a spring knife. The blade's length 11cm. It has a small device to fix it in my pocket and its handle is covered with denim so nobody can guess it is a knife. But I don’t know whether this is legal in New Zealand. Honestly. I think not.

[Capacity]

Originally posted by Capacity
With a knife 3 inches or under you cannot be charged simply with possession. However, you can still be prosecuted under other laws.

Well, it is an offence for a knife to be marketed in a way that "suggests it is suitable for combat" or which would somehow encourage violent behavior.

It's also an offence to have a knife in a few public places, especially schools - I'm pretty sure regardless of the knife size.

It is considered an offence if the knife in some way causes someone to fear their safety (who is of a sound mind)

loads and loads of little technicalities really. All I was saying is, just because you have a knife under 3" - It doesn't mean you are immune to committing an offence.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by blood__junkie
sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but i was wondering what is the largest knife yo can legally carry, be it a butchers knife or pen knife, anyone know??

Why do you want to carry a knife?

Surely that is the question you should be asking...

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by LabRat
I always carry a spring knife. The blade's length 11cm. It has a small device to fix it in my pocket and its handle is covered with denim so nobody can guess it is a knife. But I don’t know whether this is legal in New Zealand. Honestly. I think not. Nice.

[SlimeFace]

Why want to carry a knife, I've allways found a wooden spoon to be quite a good alternative, & the sentance for beating someone up with it is a lot more fun than if you chiff someone with a knife!

Bic Biros also get the job done, but you are looking at an extra 6 months on top of the spoon charge though!

Seriously though, if you gotta carry something, & you really do have no choice, Parker pens, screwdrivers are a better option...

[Capacity]

Why not just take your brothers BMX apart while you're at it and use the stunt peg? They have a bit of weight to them. Actually, why stop there? Go and invest in a toffee hammer, a quick cranium crunch and you're all set. "I was just popping round my Aunty Joans to err... - Crack some toffee, officer".

:/

[Whowhere]

If you can justify a good reason for having a knife then it is legal.
Self defence is not a valid reason unfortunately, however a loophole exists that if you have the knife or other object for a LEGAL purpose and can prove you have it for a legal purpose but end up using it in self defence then you have the right to.

Labrat, owning a knife for no reason is bad enough, but carrying a deliberately CONCEALED weapon is an offence here and in the USA and I hope for your own sake you either get rid of it, or get found in posession by the police.
Because I doubt very much you'll be able to justify having it.

[Aladdin]

I suspect this is related to the libertarian bollocks about the right to own and carry anything one wants...

Monocrat actually claimed individuals should be allowed to own nuclear weapons :rolleyes:

[Capacity]

Originally posted by Aladdin

Monocrat actually claimed individuals should be allowed to own nuclear weapons :rolleyes:

:/ What for?

[Aladdin]

Oh because nobody should ban individuals for owning them.

He agreed that individuals should not detonate nukes (just because it would destroy other people's 'property', not because of anything else) but that they should be allowed to own them all the same.

As the Americans are fond of saying, go figure...

[piccolo]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Why do you want to carry a knife?

Surely that is the question you should be asking... Well lots of people have pen knives and things. I often have a craft knife on me simply because it lives in my pencil case. That kinda thing.

[Blagsta]

If you don't know how to use a knife in a fight then you're quite likely to get stabbed by your own weapon.

[Namaste]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Why do you want to carry a knife?

Surely that is the question you should be asking...

Fishing, camping, art, knives are handy, I have a diddy pocket one that I use now and again. They're not just for stabbing people.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by MoonRat
Fishing, camping, art, knives are handy, I have a diddy pocket one that I use now and again. They're not just for stabbing people.

Sorry, the expression "carry a knife" suggests that it is being done in an act of self defence. Not because the person is fishing, camping etc.

Hence my question, why would you want a knife (if it's for self defence), what makes you so fearful that you might need to use it?

[Renzo]

Is it just an urban myth or are you allowed to have a knife sheathed in your sock or something if you are in full scottish traditional dress.

[Whowhere]

A knife is no good against more than one assailant anyway, not unless you've got a samurai sword.
Even less use if your assailant knows ANYTHING about martial arts or street fighting.

[BlackArab]

His name is blood junkie and he wants to know how big a knife he can carry?

Hey kid! go away and find yourself a survivalist site or something.

Do you listen to Marilyn Manson and wear a leather coat? Grow up mate, weapons are not big or clever for the untrained. If you want one join the Armed Forces.

[Rocksteady]

The libertarian nonsense is based on the fact people need to learn themselves how to behave am I right?

[Whowhere]

yes, people do need to learn how to integrate better.

[ladymuck]

yes, people do need to learn how to integrate better.

you don't say:rolleyes:

knife-wielders in action (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/nationalnews/tm_objectid=14361231&method=full&siteid=50100&headline=youths-hunted-over-boy-s-stabbing-name_page.html)

Who would or could ntegrate with the knife-wielders here? I doubt they're marginalised just greedy callous fucks who'd kill anyone in their way

[Aladdin]

There should be a minimum mandatory 3 year sentence for carrying a knife and the police should be equipped with metal detectors.

That's one type of 'stop and search' I wouldn't mind one bit.

There's no fucking excuse for carrying a knife and if the government got the police to do a crackdown, check shit loads of people every day and everywhere and start banging up anyone in possession of a knife perhaps some of those fuckers would think twice.

[Makoto]

I know of this dude who carrys about an 11inch Commando's knife. He reckons it's for self defence... bollox, his 1 beer short of a six pack as well coz he tried cutting his brother up.

[Twiggy Wiggy]

Seriously though, if you gotta carry something, & you really do have no choice, Parker pens, screwdrivers are a better option...

yes or pool or marbles in a sock and hit them with it. i think u\d be better off with a batten maybe an ion rod or something

[Capacity]

I know a lot of people who carry knives/truncheons etc. They would argue that it's saved them from a kicking once or twice.

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[Clandestine]

LOL. Best to trim those fingernails then eh GWST? ;)

Oh and don't flash those pointy pearly whites either!

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[Aladdin]

Anyone who carries a knife is a twat in my book.

If you don't plan on using it there is no point in carrying it. Muggers are would-be-attackers are extremely unlikely to be intimidated by someone who is just holding a knife at them hoping it will scare them away.

And if you plan on using one, well I'm sorry there is no excuse for stabbing people about, even if they plan to give you a kicking or to mug you. Chances are those prepared to use a knife will end up using it on non-life threatening situations.

[Capacity]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Anyone who carries a knife is a twat in my book.

If you don't plan on using it there is no point in carrying it. Muggers are would-be-attackers are extremely unlikely to be intimidated by someone who is just holding a knife at them hoping it will scare them away.

And if you plan on using one, well I'm sorry there is no excuse for stabbing people about, even if they plan to give you a kicking or to mug you. Chances are those prepared to use a knife will end up using it on non-life threatening situations.

Hmm. I'm not so sure. If I were to mug someone and they pulled out a knife on me, I wouldn't gamble whether or not they'd have the minerals to use it and I'd get myself going. I know it's not always as simple, but it doesn't make sense for anyone to want to risk their guts just so they can rob a few quid.

Some people actually carry one for their safety, but you have to look at the broader picture. England, for example, is full of towns, villages etc where maturity is generally 'lacking'. A great deal of people aren't going to think twice about stabbing someone if it means they'll get to keep their teeth. And a lot of people in rougher areas just use them to teach people a harsh lesson. Wrong, I know - but it's reality.

[ladymuck]

to carriy a knife without due cause is a serious offence esp a lock-knife (handier to carry as you wouldn't stab yrself by accident)

it's come to something in UK where the mind-set is that ppl feel the need to arm themselves

What happened to blairs crime + causes of crime, another empty slogan?

More stop + search, bin the Mc Pherson report

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
What happened to blairs crime + causes of crime, another empty slogan?

Perceptions is what happened. People percieve that there is more crime, doesn't mean that they are correct.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by ladymuck
More stop + search, bin the Mc Pherson report The McPherson report did not object to stop & searches, but at the fact that only the people of a certain race were the subject of them.

So yes they should be brought back, but this time let's search everyone eh?

[ladymuck]

The McPherson report did not object to stop & searches, but at the fact that only the people of a certain race were the subject of them.

Black youth figure disproportionately in street crime so I can't see the problem with stop & searches targetting them disproportionately, otherwise police wiould be wasting their time

[piccolo]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Black youth figure disproportionately in street crime so I can't see the problem with stop & searches targetting them disproportionately I thought it was just in convictions for street crime. I may be wrong though.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Black youth figure disproportionately in street crime so I can't see the problem with stop & searches targetting them disproportionately, otherwise police wiould be wasting their time Not so disproportionately.

And since the immense majority of black people are not criminals and yet they were being stopped constantly (it's beyond the police's comprehension than a black man can afford a expensive car through legal means :rolleyes: ) the situation was simply unacceptable.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
to carriy a knife without due cause is a serious offence esp a lock-knife (handier to carry as you wouldn't stab yrself by accident)

it's come to something in UK where the mind-set is that ppl feel the need to arm themselves

What happened to blairs crime + causes of crime, another empty slogan?

More stop + search, bin the Mc Pherson report

People were carrying knives in the 70's and 80's. To think its a new thing is very silly.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Black youth figure disproportionately in street crime so I can't see the problem with stop & searches targetting them disproportionately, otherwise police wiould be wasting their time

Talking to a friend of mine who runs diversity workshops at Hendon police training college and was subject to disgusting racism from the police in the 80's, its not really the stop & searches that are the problem, its the attitude and presumptions of the police. A lot of them still assume that black people must be guilty, purely based on the fact that they are black.
Thats institutional racism and its what the McPherson Report was about.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Not so disproportionately.

In fact not at all really. In mainly white areas its mainly white people committing street crime. In mainly black areas its mainly black people. Go figure.

[ladymuck]

In mainly black areas its mainly black people. Go figure.

There are 2 boroughs where there are a non-white racial majorities in London, Lambeth is not one of them, i'll bet though if there were a breakdown of muggings, drug-peddling, street hassle generally and gun crime it will be perpetrated overwhelmingly by Afro-caribbeans

(I looked on the Home Office Site and would you believe it I couldn't see a breakdown of crimes by ethnic minorities)

[Blagsta]

Funny how you can't back it up though innit? Typical you, eh? :rolleyes:

Anyhow, its not as simple as division along racial lines. Class, poverty, alienation, opportunity (or lack of it) etc are more to the point.

[ladymuck]

Funny how you can't back it up though innit? Typical you, eh?

If our beloved Government would produce clear + concise figures I'd have something to report

Sir Paul Condom was roasted for his '90% of muggers are black' comment, since then we've had the McPherson Report and the cops are saying what their political masters want them to say, ie not much

[Blagsta]

It was 80%. And Paul Condon was talking specifically about Brixton. Which is probably true due to there being a high black population.
His comments were taken out of context by the media.
According to my mate who does the diversity training anyhow.

And it makes sense to me. Its absurd to think that 80% of muggers are black across the entire country. Do you think thats true in mainly white deprived areas?
As I said - if there is a large proportion of white people in a deprived area, its likely that most muggers will be white.
To think anything else is plain weird really.

[ladymuck]

As I said - if there is a large proportion of white people in a deprived area, its likely that most muggers will be white.

In what sense is Brixton deprived, zone 2 on the tube from the heart of London? Endless opportunities for the motivated

I'd say it's an attitude amongst too many Afro-caribbeans that they have to be seen to dominate the street

What sort of clown lounges around on the street making idle chatter?You won't find comparable street hassle in Southall, they have more constructive uses to make of their time, ie studying or commerce. In fact in Southall, the Mp came out the other year stating it was Somalis who wer mugging the Asians

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by ladymuck
I'd say it's an attitude amongst too many Afro-caribbeans that they have to be seen to dominate the street I'd say you are as clueless as you are racist.

What sort of clown lounges around on the street making idle chatter?You won't find comparable street hassle in Southall, they have more constructive uses to make of their time, ie studying or commerce. In fact in Southall, the Mp came out the other year stating it was Somalis who wer mugging the Asians What street hassle are you talking about?

How many times have you been hassled in Brixton?

[Capacity]

Originally posted by ladymuck

I'd say it's an attitude amongst too many Afro-caribbeans that they have to be seen to dominate the street


Just because it sounds racist, doesn't mean that it doesn't hold some truth to it.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
In what sense is Brixton deprived, zone 2 on the tube from the heart of London? Endless opportunities for the motivated

I'd say it's an attitude amongst too many Afro-caribbeans that they have to be seen to dominate the street

What sort of clown lounges around on the street making idle chatter?You won't find comparable street hassle in Southall, they have more constructive uses to make of their time, ie studying or commerce. In fact in Southall, the Mp came out the other year stating it was Somalis who wer mugging the Asians

As you're too scared to come to Brixton, you're not really qualified to comment are you?

But hey, you have a racist agenda to push, so why let facts, or actual first hand knowledge or experience get in the way of a good old racist slur, eh?

[ladymuck]

What street hassle are you talking about?

i went to a black area to meet someone, left my car and in the space of 2mins, I had my wing-mirror bent on my car by yoot and a clumsy aggressive begging/would be mugging attempt


How many times have you been hassled in Brixton?

i've no cause to go there

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Capacity
Just because it sounds racist, doesn't mean that it doesn't hold some truth to it.

It is true that Afro-Carribean culture is more of a street based culture than traditional English culture. But to then say that they are "clowns" for hanging on the street is insulting and racist.
And to be intimitated by it is understandable I suppose if you are ignorant and fear black people. But once you realise most people hanging on the street in Brixton are not aggressive, its fine.
Unfortunately ladymuck seems to want to cling to her fear and ignorance, like some kind of weird psychological security blanket. Which is odd. :confused:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
i went to a black area to meet someone, left my car and in the space of 2mins, I had my wing-mirror bent on my car by yoot and a clumsy aggressive begging/would be mugging attempt

And of course, this never happens in white areas does it? :rolleyes:


Originally posted by ladymuck
i've no cause to go there

Well stop chatting shit about it then you fool.

[Blagsta]

mods - can you do something about ladymuck's continual racist shit stirring?

[ladymuck]

mods - can you do something about ladymuck's continual racist shit stirring?

please Sir, someone's saying horrid things which are true

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
please Sir, someone's saying horrid things which are true

Yes I'm saying true things about you. Sorry if you think they're horrid. Got a problem with that?

[ladymuck]

Yes I'm saying true things about you. Sorry if you think they're horrid. Got a problem with that?

Not much you say has the ring of truth about it, you come over as a zealot in your own right

Do you actually say'innit' in conversation, I bet you do :eek:

[Blagsta]

Funny how I can back up my points though, innit.

And yes, I do say "innit". I bet you use the words "hang them fucking niggers" in real conversation, eh?

[ladymuck]

Funny how I can back up my points though, innit.

you never make points, you spend most of your time here sniping at the likes of me in true zealot form

you say innit - for someone of your age that says plenty to me

Get some grown-up tastes in music and a mortgage and I'll take you seriously

[Blagsta]

LOL! :D

[Blagsta]

This is great

Originally posted by ladymuck
Get some grown-up tastes in music and a mortgage and I'll take you seriously

judging someone by what they own eh? No surprise there really. :rolleyes:

[ladymuck]

judging someone by what they own isn't such a bad thing, Asians in Southall/W. London put much emphasis on self-reliance and building the future

Maybe if more in S. London took that attitude the streets would be safer

[Blagsta]

Judging someone purely on what they own is the sign of a pathetic shallow fool who has to resort to low digs to score some points to back up her increasingly tenous position.

[ladymuck]

Afro-caribbean prison rates rses (http://www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=2982)

Why is this organisation Blink going on about Labour, you'd think with McPherson and other such nonsense the graph would be going downwards

Blamiming everyone except those who should be blamed , the criminals themselves

"At very concerned that at every level of the criminal justice system black people are over-represented, and that in particular more Afro-Caribbean young men are entering prison than university."

well if you commit crime and don't study what do you expect?

jeez:rolleyes:

[Whowhere]

Ladymuck, you are seriously full of shit.
Why do you assume an areas proximity to the centre of London means anything?
The rich people, contrary to popular belief don't live just outside city centres

If you knew anything, which you obviously don't you'd know that inner cities, in ANY city are normally the most deprived.
Ever heard or Holt or Burgess?

Inner cities are traditionally made up of low quality pre war housing and 1960s flats. People who reside in them are normally first or second generation immigrants who are looking for cheap accomodation and easy access to work. I can tell you know the only jobs they will be doing in London city centre will be low paid, menial labour/customer services.
As families get settled they can eventually afford to move out of the city into the suburbs.
Currently the black people in Brixton will be at most 3rd generation from the immigrants who arrived in the 1950's to plug our labour shortage. You'll find a lot of young black people in Brixton are going to university and searching for ways to move away from the area. The vacum they leave will be filled by the new arrivals from Eastern Europe and the Middle East. When they have raised a few generations they too will start to spread out into the suburbs. By this time their accents and behaviour will be indistinguishable to a native white persons, or even to a black persons.
This is the life cycle of a major city and is evident in virtually every city on the planet.

As for stop and search, the Mcpherson report said the police were racist. Full stop. As a result lots of changes were made meaning we could only stop someone if they were actually doing something and not just at random. This rule is waivered in certain situations but I won't go into that now. The people stopped will normally be people who are already known to the police for other crimes, or people who associate with that person. The police force has a massive intelligence network, easily beating anything Europe has to offer, and I've heard from American colleagues anything they have as well. We don't work on guesswork anymore, and as a result if we stop someone it's because we have reason to, not just because they're black and according to you, more of a criminal.


p.s.Why don't you take a trip to Nottingham or Liverpool. 2 cities with very low proportions of ethnic minoritiy population. Funnily enough crime in these 2 cities are in the highest in the country. But wait, there aren't any black people. Does this mean they're travelling from London just to rob us all at knife point, or does it mean white people can commit crimes as well?

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by ladymuck
judging someone by what they own isn't such a bad thing, Asians in Southall/W. London put much emphasis on self-reliance and building the future

Maybe if more in S. London took that attitude the streets would be safer


This isn't America you know. In case you hadn't realised, traditionally what you own doesn't make you any more of a good person.
If anything rich people tend to be utter toss pots who think they can get away with anything.

I always thought it better to judge someone on their actions. I own very little, yes I have savings and earn a decent wage but I'm not as rich as say, David Beckham.
According to your "rules" that illiterate, poor excuse for a footballer/human being is a better person, simply because he has material wealth.
If he was poor you would cross the street to avoid him, but because he's rich, and because he used to be able to play football (judging from his recent attempts he won't be on a team much longer) you think you should be sniffing his arse like any other good hanger-on and worshipping him because he has a few million in the bank.
Yet me, a fairly low wealth person who wanders the streets trying to keep the peace is technically a piece of scum because i don't earn a mercedes.
God knows what you think of nurses.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Afro-caribbean prison rates rses (http://www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=2982)

Why is this organisation Blink going on about Labour, you'd think with McPherson and other such nonsense the graph would be going downwards

Blamiming everyone except those who should be blamed , the criminals themselves



well if you commit crime and don't study what do you expect?

jeez:rolleyes:

Again, simply blindingly sophisticated analysis on your part. Well done. :rolleyes:
It is a fact that black people tend to get harsher sentences than white people. Thats institutional racism that is.
I think there is possibly a problem in some black communities, but to put it down to skin colour is simplistic racist nonsense. Years and years of discrimination, racism, lack of opportunity, poverty etc have a lot more to do with it. Racism is still rife in this society, something that you demonsrate on here every day quite nicely.
How about you go and study some sociology and then we can discuss this properly.

[ladymuck]

Funnily enough crime in these 2 cities are in the highest in the country. But wait, there aren't any black people. Does this mean they're travelling from London just to rob us all at knife point, or does it mean white people can commit crimes as well?

What crime, you don't mention that

High rates of city-centre punch-ups yes

viscious pointless crimes against the person I doubt it

I thought there was a Notthm crack problem anyway , yes?

Notthm like a lot of other n/Midland cities has seen proly more economic downturn than London where, other than visciousness + greed there's no excuse for the shit that goes down like a guy getting his eye ripped out on a bus in vauxhall, like estate agent stabbed in face in battersea...

Blagsta, that sociology textbook is worth its weight in bog-roll

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Blagsta, that sociology textbook is worth its weight in bog-roll

If thats what you think, its no wonder your analysis is at about the level of a 12 year old.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Notthm like a lot of other n/Midland cities has seen proly more economic downturn than London where, other than visciousness + greed there's no excuse for the shit that goes down like a guy getting his eye ripped out on a bus in vauxhall, like estate agent stabbed in face in battersea...

I can tell you, this sort of shit happens in Birmingham all the time. And no, its not just black people, its asian people and white people. In fact some of the worst unprovoked violence I've witnessed was from white people. But I've also been beaten up by a black man and had threats from asian men.
Skin colour means fuck all. Why do you keep bringing it up? Why does peoples skin colour bother you so much? :confused:

[Blagsta]

It happens in Sheffield as well. I was held up at gunpoint in Sheffield in the early 90's. By a gang of white men. Do I think all white men are gangsters? No. Why not? 'cos I'm not an idiot, unlike some people round here...

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by ladymuck
What crime, you don't mention that

High rates of city-centre punch-ups yes

viscious pointless crimes against the person I doubt it
Well that's exactly what a city-centre punch up amounts to ladymuck... :rolleyes:

Since you seem so eager to get into breakdown of crime by race I'm surprise you mention "city punch-ups". Alcohol-fuelled GBHs are ever on the increase and very often involve savage beatings or horrific injuries to the face by that time-honoured tradition of 'glassing'.

I could go on and mention that the majority of such incidents are perpetrated by pure-white, British males. But then again that doesn't matter to me because unlike you I don't have a racist agenda to push or any shit to stir and I have enough brain cells to understand that race is not relevant or related to crime.

I'll give you one thing ladymuck: you're shit at debating, you're shit at backing up your claims and you're shit at trolling, but you're sure damn good at avoiding getting banned, considering the amount of sustained racist bullshit you spout on these boards.

[ladymuck]

but you're sure damn good at avoiding getting banned, considering the amount of sustained racist bullshit you spout on these boards.

and you Aladdin have been over these boards like a mad, left-wing rash with your exaggerated hyperbole, your insistence on having the last word and your convergence of most threads to a diatribe on Bush/Blair/Iraq

easy for you just keep spouting the word racist when someone points out a truth not to your liking

if I do end up getting banned it'll be me pushing the envelope nothing to do with you or Blobsta becususe you say nothing I've not considered and dismissed as tedious PC denial

[Aladdin]

Oh don't get over yourself darling I have never asked for anyone to be banned and you're certainly no exception.

I'm simply noting that unlike most others who can't contain themselves too long before crossing 'red lines' and using certain words or making certain statements, you have shown the restrain of pushing your nasty agenda in a rather more subtle way. Then again perhaps you have previous experiences from other boards...

Don't even get me started on "truths" ladymuck. Your debating and logic comes straight of the BNP book of lies and smearing and I can't recall a single time when you have been able to back up any of your claims.

Nor I recall you denying being a racist or a BNP sympathiser too often either. That is something that would surely bother to most decent people... you on the other hand don't seem to mind to be associated with such scum. I wonder why...

[ladymuck]

Nor I recall you denying being a racist or a BNP sympathiser too often either. That is something that would surely bother to most decent people... you on the other hand don't seem to mind to be associated with such scum. I wonder why...

I've only been associated with BNP by you

If I were BNP I'd say, it wouldn't bother me to do so

I's fairly respectable these days, didn't you know

But then you don't know, you part of that international rentamob with rigid views on all right-wing despots like Thatch (elected 3 times while you were in nappies)

v. predictable

[Whowhere]

You've never flatly denied being in the BNP, and you always avoid answering the question on where your political loyalties lie. That to me suggests you are embarassed for us to know.


As for the crime, I'm talking about violent crime/burglary e.t.c.
Petty street crime is carried out on a huge scale here, it's truly disturbing. And the majority of people doing it are white.

Since when HASN'T a pub punch up or glassing in a city centre been an assault?

[ladymuck]

Since when HASN'T a pub punch up or glassing in a city centre been an assault?

I shouldn't have to point out to you the difference between incidents occuring where all participants have taken drink and the nightmarish crimes we heaer all to much of in London.

The police force has a massive intelligence network, easily beating anything Europe has to offer, and I've heard from American colleagues anything they have as well.

Well it didn't stop that gruop walking masked with a knife stabbing the youth in Fulham, it fact if it's so good there hardly be any crime would there?

They've American hobby-bobbies (aka not a proper copper) then?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
if I do end up getting banned it'll be me pushing the envelope nothing to do with you or Blobsta becususe you say nothing I've not considered and dismissed as tedious PC denial

Pushing the envelope? LOL! :D
The only thing you're pushing is a nasty fucked up racist agenda.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
But then you don't know, you part of that international rentamob with rigid views on all right-wing despots like Thatch (elected 3 times while you were in nappies)

According to your profile, I've got a good few years on you.

[Blagsta]

Come on shadyfuck, answer the question

Originally posted by Blagsta
Skin colour means fuck all. Why do you keep bringing it up? Why does peoples skin colour bother you so much? :confused:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
I shouldn't have to point out to you the difference between incidents occuring where all participants have taken drink and the nightmarish crimes we heaer all to much of in London.



Well it didn't stop that gruop walking masked with a knife stabbing the youth in Fulham, it fact if it's so good there hardly be any crime would there?

They've American hobby-bobbies (aka not a proper copper) then?

This happens in plenty of other places too y'know. :rolleyes:

[Jim V]

Okay, everybody calm down and Ladymuck you are so close to the line of what is acceptable here.

Racism is not allowed on these boards and your posts are becoming increasingly unacceptable. Anything more and you will be banned.

I'm afraid that these boards do not view racism as acceptable, people that are racist may find other boards more welcoming.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
If I were BNP I'd say, it wouldn't bother me to do so

I's fairly respectable these days, didn't you know

BNP? Respectable? :lol:

Never.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Jim V
Ladymuck you are so close to the line of what is acceptable here.

Close to the line maybe, but on the wrong side.

BTW I know that this place has certain rules but do we really want to ban this racist? That would just give her cause to feel agrieved and I think we achieve more by showing her to be the ignorant fool that she is...

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by ladymuck


They've American hobby-bobbies (aka not a proper copper) then?

Not that it's got anything to do with this topic but yes they do.
They are hired out by small suburban communities to guard and patrol. Rent-a-cops are their affectionate term.

And I know you're trying to rile me with all these constant comments about my chosen career, but let me ask you, what the hell do you do, if anything that makes you any judge of a person's job? The amount of time you spend on the internet during the daytime would suggest some pointless activity in an office or call centre. Go on, prove me wrong.

[ladymuck]

God is that word 'racist' over-used

the legacy of labour is that race/religion/ethnicity gets such a kid-glove treatment by the media and the political classes

Local rags give crime briefs with descriptions that mysteriously include the colour of clothing but no description of ethnicity, if there's a picture of a community event/school the ethnic child has usually a mandatory prominent position

Lots of all that, it's an agenda and it's annoying to a cynical free-thinker like myself. If i wanted to get below the surface of that agenda I'd have to probe the Web as mainstream media has a blanket on much that happens

as for the BNP I know someone from a very long time ago who's been a candidate for Councillor, must chase him up sometime and see how's Life has treated him, but that's the extent of it

[Whowhere]

Nice evasion of my question there.:lol:

[ladymuck]

Nice evasion of my question there

What are you on about, how I vote, mind your own business? Political allegiances, again MYOB

i'm not asking yours or anyone's here

I only take the rise out of your job as you come on the big man telling us about antics like pouring away teens drinks and other such front-line activities (it's a dirty job but someone's got to do it)

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
God is that word 'racist' over-used

Yeah, that figures, eh? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ladymuck
the legacy of labour is that race/religion/ethnicity gets such a kid-glove treatment by the media and the political classes

I agree that sometimes things aren't talked about in an honest fashion for fear of offence. This is a direct legacy of overt racism, the sus laws, "no blacks, no Irish" etc.
Thing is ladymuck, you don't want an honest debate. You just want a simplistic one, with absolutley no analysis of class, economics, society, history etc. You just want to blame it all on colour.

Originally posted by ladymuck
Local rags give crime briefs with descriptions that mysteriously include the colour of clothing but no description of ethnicity, if there's a picture of a community event/school the ethnic child has usually a mandatory prominent position

Rubbish. If its a black person committing a crime, its always mentioned. Same with asian, same with white etc. Dunno what papers you're reading, The Beano maybe?

Originally posted by ladymuck
Lots of all that, it's an agenda and it's annoying to a cynical free-thinker like myself. If i wanted to get below the surface of that agenda I'd have to probe the Web as mainstream media has a blanket on much that happens

Critical free thinker? Ha! Don't make me laugh. You're about as critical as a 10 year old. You have a specific set of beliefs around colour and culture that you are unwilling to have challenged. You spout crap about Brixton, then when challenged that you actually know nothing about it, you say you don't want to come here anyway. Very "free thinking" that, eh?

Originally posted by ladymuck
as for the BNP I know someone from a very long time ago who's been a candidate for Councillor, must chase him up sometime and see how's Life has treated him, but that's the extent of it

I think you're lying.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
What are you on about, how I vote, mind your own business? Political allegiances, again MYOB

i'm not asking yours or anyone's here

I only take the rise out of your job as you come on the big man telling us about antics like pouring away teens drinks and other such front-line activities (it's a dirty job but someone's got to do it)

OK, how about answering my questions?

Why do you bring race into every issue? Why does skin colour bother you so much? Why are you scared of people different to you?

[ladymuck]

You spout crap about Brixton, then when challenged that you actually know nothing about it, you say you don't want to come here anyway. Very "free thinking" that, eh?

Socrates spent much of his time in a barrel but few would think him other than a free thinking person. My disinclination to travel to Brixton to sample its delights hardly discounts me one way or the other

Rubbish. If its a black person committing a crime, its always mentioned. Same with asian, same with white etc. Dunno what papers you're reading, The Beano maybe?

No, the local papers I'm reading

have you seen those ads about Benefit Fraud by the DWP, I've yet to see anyone featured on them who wasn't white.

Same with anti-mugger posters in London . Everyone knows the score though

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Socrates spent much of his time in a barrel but few would think him other than a free thinking person. My disinclination to travel to Brixton to sample its delights hardly discounts me one way or the other

Comparing yourself to Socrates are you? You're not just stupid, you're deluded as well.

Originally posted by ladymuck
No, the local papers I'm reading

have you seen those ads about Benefit Fraud by the DWP, I've yet to see anyone featured on them who wasn't white.

Same with anti-mugger posters in London . Everyone knows the score though

You must live in another city called London then. Are you in Canada? :confused:

[twisted_trinity]

i travel lots on my own. i also carry a penknife for many reasons:
pen knives are useful to do all sorts of things with from pealing fruit to cutting someone free from a fence-which i had to do resently :rolleyes:

the blade in no longer than maybe 5 cm, and i don't often carry it. i do live in the country side and it's invaulable there. but i also feel much safer carrying one if i am traveling in the dark on my own. i'm still alert and make sure that i don't walk in dodgy areas, though some ie the bus station i can't avoid.

i know loads of people who carry a knife over here and it doesn't seem to be a problem. but if i was stopped would i be charged with anything by carrying one?

[Blagsta]

I used to carry a penknife when I lived on site. Useless in a fight though.

[Blagsta]

BTW ladymuck, it was Diogenes who lived in a barrel.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Get some grown-up tastes in music

Oh, I'd also love to know what you mean by this? Are referring to the fact that I listen to hip hop? A musical genre that has a massive worldwide influence and has been around for 30 years or so? Or reggae? Another massively influential genre thats been around for nearly 50 years? Or techno and house, genres that have influenced almost all modern pop music and both of which have been around for about 20 years?

What? :confused:

[ladymuck]

hip hop- I'd probablty know it if I heard it. Just because it's popular doesn't give it serious musical merit. Status Quo are popular after all

Reggae leaves me cold, the same old rythmn, undanceable to , lacking in subtlety - no thanks

[Blagsta]

Hip hop is actually a very well respected genre. In fact, it comprises many genres and has a history going back over 30 years. I guess you never heard of Gil Scot-Heron or The Last Poets, 2 critically acclaimed acts that were massively influential on the beginings of hip hop.
Its had massive musical and cultural influence all over the world, something that Status Quo can't claim, so that rather blows your argument out of the water.
This might educate you somewhat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop

But really, with everything you post, you reveal yourself to be less a, what was it again? "critical free thinker" (?! :confused: ) and more of an ignorant fool. Keep it coming, its great! :D

[ladymuck]

Not at Glasto, Blagsta, you surprise me

Those ads about Benefit Fraud by the DWP, don't you think for the sake of balance, representation etc they might have slipped in a non-white person or is the political establishment as spineless as i think it is?

[Blagsta]

I've never been to Glastonbury, nor do I have any intention of ever going. You're on a losing streak today! :D

And as I have no idea what DWP ads you're talking about, I can't really answer your question. I suspect they are another one of your bizarre fantasies.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Reggae leaves me cold, the same old rythmn, undanceable to , lacking in subtlety - no thanks

All this proves is that you have no rhythm and can't dance. I find reggae very danceable. There's even a reggae genre called dancehall y'know.

[ladymuck]

I suspect they are another one of your bizarre fantasies.

You should watch a bit more TV, you could learn a lot

Why the down on Glastonbury, lots of U75'ers there, too commercial maybe

There'll never be another Stonehenge, ol' Thatch saw to that:( (one thing I would condemn her for)

[Blagsta]

I don't actually watch much telly.
And there was a festival at stonehenge this year. Such a losing streak!
Racist scum like you aren't tolerated at free festivals though, so its just as well you never went eh?

[ladymuck]

so its just as well you never went eh?

How little you know about me:D

[Blagsta]

I suppose its possible actually, you probably are one of those mystical Nazi nutter types. Got any Boyd Rice records?

[ladymuck]

Got any Boyd Rice records?

Que?

Love your pigeon-holes don't you?

[Blagsta]

You just don't get my sense of humour.

Maybe you're so twisted 'cos you're rebelling against hippy parents.

[ladymuck]

Nothing twisted about me, rationality is my forte IMO. That's my problem maybe expecting the World to be a rational place

[Blagsta]

You don't display much rationality on here. Just irrational fears of people different to you.

People don't operate rationally anyway. People operate at an emotional level most of the time.

[ladymuck]

Who says I'm fearful, I go to an inner-city area 5x a week so I know what these places are like. it's some relief I can tell you to get back to the suburbs, without some dick-brain pumping 200 decibels from a car-stero. Then there's the potential for roadrage and other stuff, not may imagination , i've had run-ins with arse-holes behind the wheel, uninsured, etc

The suburbs are relaxed and not the arse-dull places as made out to be and the shite above is not present to any extent at all, politeness + consideraton reign supreme.

You might say it's wealth but somewhere along the line the middle-class did the right things and got to where they are. They're not glowering with resentment and certainly not thretening violence

[Blagsta]

Who says you're fearful? You in plenty of your posts.

[Blagsta]

Oh, and I know what the suburbs are like thanks. Theres way more random pissed up violence in the suburbs than I've ever seen in Brixton.

[ladymuck]

There are degrees of violence, you won't find corpses on road from drug-killings either, and no-one's being filled in like a certain website editor I know of and the muggings do not happen unless some toss from the inner-city pays a visit

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
There are degrees of violence, you won't find corpses on road from drug-killings either, and no-one's being filled in like a certain website editor I know of and the muggings do not happen unless some toss from the inner-city pays a visit

Absolute bullshit. The suburbs are awash with drugs, theres plenty of random violence and muggings. Yes, generally inner city areas have more problems, but to pretend that suburbia is some kind of crime free paradise is fucking insane.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Absolute bullshit. The suburbs are awash with drugs, theres plenty of random violence and muggings. Yes, generally inner city areas have more problems, but to pretend that suburbia is some kind of crime free paradise is fucking insane.

I have to agree, I know of friends who do drugs and stuff and they live in qaint home counties towns and villages :eek: *shock* ;)

[ladymuck]

theres not 'plenty of random violence and muggings.'If you went to a high-st centre at the w/e you'll find a few drunken dick-brains, there's no doubt drugs but noone whispering'weed/crack ' in your ear as you walk. You'd be quite unlucky aeay from that high-st centre to run into any rouble at all, i certainly haven't

[Renzo]

Originally posted by ladymuck
theres not 'plenty of random violence and muggings.'If you went to a high-st centre at the w/e you'll find a few drunken dick-brains, there's no doubt drugs but noone whispering'weed/crack ' in your ear as you walk. You'd be quite unlucky aeay from that high-st centre to run into any rouble at all, i certainly haven't

Actually a few years ago i was beaten up near to the high street in my town. :( At least the bastard is behind bars now for doing it to someone else.

[ladymuck]

Bad luck:(

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
theres not 'plenty of random violence and muggings.'If you went to a high-st centre at the w/e you'll find a few drunken dick-brains, there's no doubt drugs but noone whispering'weed/crack ' in your ear as you walk. You'd be quite unlucky aeay from that high-st centre to run into any rouble at all, i certainly haven't

No there aren't dealers on the street. Thats 'cos more well off people don't have to score on the street. The social affectsof drug use have a class based element.

But you've been lucky not to have any trouble. I've seen plenty in Ealing at pub kicking out time.

[ladymuck]

I've seen plenty in Ealing at pub kicking out time.

I find pubs to be vulgar, full of drunken oafs. i used to like the S. coast wher there were lots of Hotel Bars with a far more relaxed atmosphere:)

[Blagsta]

Fancy a shag?

[ladymuck]

err, never mix business with pleasure

You soulda gone to Glasto, Blagsta, run up an overdraft

It might be a commercial pile of shite but hey

did I ever tell you about Stonehenge and the Battle of the Beanfield in '85, Duke of Marlboro - -another time

[Blagsta]

According to your profile, you'd have been 9 at the time of the Beanfield. I was right - you *are* rebelling against hippy parents.
Unless you're lying on your profile of course.

Oh and posting here is "business" is it? No surprise there. I always thought you were posting here on behalf on some organisation or other.

[ladymuck]

I was therer in'84 - mega

'85 was the end of an era, i was in the Savenake forest but was not part of the violent episodes

Glasto was a bit naff - -i mean you had to pay, ffs but now, I don't know if I could handle that level of b/s

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Fancy a shag?

nah, giz a bag of crisps :p

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
I was therer in'84 - mega

'85 was the end of an era, i was in the Savenake forest but was not part of the violent episodes

Glasto was a bit naff - -i mean you had to pay, ffs but now, I don't know if I could handle that level of b/s

I knew there was a reason why you're so fucked up. I was right - hippy parents. Whats your real name? Moonbeam or something? :D

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by BeckyBoo
nah, giz a bag of crisps :p

Prawn Cocktail please.

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Prawn Cocktail please.

nah got to be beefy, I like me meat ;)

[Blagsta]

Ooooh matron! :eek: :o

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Ooooh matron! :eek: :o

Thats why im called 'Norty Nun' :D

[BlackArab]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Blagsta you slag, it was only a couple of months ago you were proposing to Jacqs.

Someone better warn the new Yank :p

[Orginal Nutter]

Originally posted by ladymuck
I find pubs to be vulgar, full of drunken oafs. i used to like the S. coast wher there were lots of Hotel Bars with a far more relaxed atmosphere:)

i wnt into a hotel bar once. bloke asked me to leave so done him didnt i. yeah came at me with a rubber bat so i put the nut on him then chucked him over the bar. nice place though.

[JsT]

Originally posted by Orginal Nutter
i wnt into a hotel bar once. bloke asked me to leave so done him didnt i. yeah came at me with a rubber bat so i put the nut on him then chucked him over the bar. nice place though.

Your posts are hilarious, you some sort of gangster?

Millwall scum!

[Orginal Nutter]

Yeah your funny kid. How can you call Millwall scum when you come from a place like Leeds? Leeds is a fucking shit hole mate as is most of it up there.

[JsT]

Originally posted by Orginal Nutter
Yeah your funny kid. How can you call Millwall scum when you come from a place like Leeds? Leeds is a fucking shit hole mate as is most of it up there.

Leeds has far more redeeming features than that old industrial dump called Millwall.

[Orginal Nutter]

Why do you assume I live in Millwall? For your information big fella I live in West London.

[JsT]

Originally posted by Orginal Nutter
Why do you assume I live in Millwall? For your information big fella I live in West London.

Well, I dunno which is worse.

[Orginal Nutter]

Not round my way son. It's quite, plush. Maybe you people from Leeds could take a note from us Southerners on, what's that little word called? Oh, class.

[Whowhere]

Ladymuck,
I have actually had to do more than pour away alcohol from kids e.t.c.
I work with the community, I'm ormally first on the scene at low level stuff which people actually care about.
If you ask people what they care about they'll tell you they want clean streets, no graffitti, something doing about groups of teens hanging around e.t.c.

I've also been to road accidents, a sudden death and helped in arrests and identifying suspects.

My job isn't all glamourous I admit, most days it's quite quiet which is why I'm currently working on a solution to the substantial alcohol abuse in our part of the world, try and stop it at the source as it were. I don't have to do any of it, I could jack it all in and work in a shop or an office. No doubt it would be much less challenging.

So, what do you work as?

[ladymuck]

Well, since you ask, I work p/t in an estate agents

[Blagsta]

Part time? What do you do the rest of the time?

[ladymuck]

Part time? What do you do the rest of the time?

I broaden my mind:p

[Blagsta]

Really? Doesn't show.

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Well, since you ask, I work p/t in an estate agents


That's work that really "benefits" the community then isn't it.


As for broadening your mind, it seems that being part time isn't for you if you spend all day on the net.

[ladymuck]

That's work that really "benefits" the community then isn't it.

Yes it does as ppl like or want to buy/sell houses. We're not in Soviet Russia if you hadn't noticed

As for broadening your mind, it seems that being part time isn't for you if you spend all day on the net.

I don't spend all day on the net but even if I did, what of it? What do you do in your spare-time, make ships in bottles, re-arrange your heavy metal CD's?

[Blagsta]

I've heard it all now! Estate Agents as community workers! LOL! :D

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Yes it does as ppl like or want to buy/sell houses. We're not in Soviet Russia if you hadn't noticed



Hmm, yes, estate agents are in it for the joy of seeing people move house and not for the vast oceans of money they make by acting as middle men and setting up mortgages?

My spare time? I do bugger all. But then of course I get very little of it, working 45 hour weeks doesn't leave you with much left over.
Most of my free time I'm still up early every day doing errands.

All I'm doing however is pointing out the folly of criticising someone's job.
Yes, taking booze of kids isn't glamorous, but it's necessary.
Fining people for not paying their car tax isn't glamorous, neither is telling people to not ride their bikes in pedestrian areas or giving people directions.
I help enforce bail making sure people convicted of more serious offences adhere to their conditions.
to date I have helped ensure 3 people will recieve nice long jail sentences for not adhering to their bail.
I don't pretend it is glamorous. I do however recognise the impact I have made in the towns I work in, every day someone comes up to me and says it's nice to see me walking around.
I may not be a Police constable, but I'm still a Police officer and people recognise that.


I'm not for one second going to criticise your profession. I used to work in a shop and I know how shit it can be. I am however highlighting how it isn't fair for you to criticise me for what I do, when I can very easily rip the shit out of your part time hobby.

[ladymuck]

when I can very easily rip the shit out of your part time hobby.

Well if you're claiming I spend all day on the net it's not true, if you look at the times of my postings I doubt you'd find a day-long block.

You can rip the shit out out of any imagined aspect of my life but as you have no valid data to go on you'll be wasting your time as you do about my <shudder> BNP connections

[Whowhere]

And likewise you can (and often) do the same.

[LabRat]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I've heard it all now! Estate Agents as community workers! LOL! :D
I understand your joke. From your commie's point of vew only State officials, cops and prison administration are community workers. People making shoes and selling houses are greedy selfish bastards. Instead to present their money you and other members of Trotskyist Party they spend them on themselves and their kids. Horror.:(

[Blagsta]

You should be on telly Labrat, you're funny! So I'm a communist now? I was a Liberal the other day!

Bit confused are you? :D

[Whowhere]

Originally posted by LabRat
I understand your joke. From your commie's point of vew only State officials, cops and prison administration are community workers. People making shoes and selling houses are greedy selfish bastards. Instead to present their money you and other members of Trotskyist Party they spend them on themselves and their kids. Horror.:(


Someone who makes shoes in India and sells them in a city centre doesn't benefit the community.
I don't know how you came up with that twisted logic.

[ladymuck]

Someone who makes shoes in India and sells them in a city centre doesn't benefit the community.

Might be providing value for money though (unlike many's a Guardian Jobs sectoin employed in the community

[Whowhere]

Still doesn't benefit the community. Doesn't clean up graffitti does it.

[ladymuck]

The Guardian Jobs sectoin mob will cost the community, if they wern't there would many be missed

The Dead wood train ikeeps rolling down the track

[Whowhere]

Eh?
I don't read the guardian, but I can guess you're on about all sorts of hippy style jobs with glorious names that actually do very little?
Seeing as most of them are based around London I can't give 2 shits about them. If London want to waste their money on stuff like that then let them.

[Blagsta]

ladymuck lives in fantasy land

[Aladdin]

There are few things that bring a smile to my face so easily as the little rants from the Daily Mailers and assorted types regarding the Jobs section in the Guardian's Society supplement. :D

[ladymuck]

ladymuck lives in fantasy land

I know someone in Audit Commision who was miffed that CRE was butting in on job selection process- no doubt less than suitable ppl weren't getting jobs - terrible

[Blagsta]

Yes of course you do dear. :rolleyes:

*pats ladymuck sympathetically on the head*

she's like an old mad aunt isn't she? embarrasingly mad, but part of the family

[ladymuck]

Blagsta, you were well Wibbled on U75:lol:

private joke- apols to others who don't know

[Blagsta]

Was I? Wibble was proved to be talking total shit. I think she came off looking like a fucking idiot. Much the same as you do on here.

[ladymuck]

Wibble was proved to be talking total shit.

I don't think so, oh yes you produced a link to the Refugee council site - -breathtakingly original move on your behalf - not

[Blagsta]

You wouldn't think so. But you're a total fucking idiot as well. So its no surprise really.

[Blagsta]

Oh, and Wibble putting me on ignore was a winner, eh?
Can't answer your points, so I'll flounce and put you on ignore.
Quality.

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Anyone who carries a knife is a twat in my book.

If you don't plan on using it there is no point in carrying it. Muggers are would-be-attackers are extremely unlikely to be intimidated by someone who is just holding a knife at them hoping it will scare them away.

And if you plan on using one, well I'm sorry there is no excuse for stabbing people about, even if they plan to give you a kicking or to mug you. Chances are those prepared to use a knife will end up using it on non-life threatening situations.

So I am a twat now. Muchas gracias...

Muggers are likely to back of once seeing my knife. Not only the knife has the effect but also the type, how you hold it, your attitude... You'd be surprised to see the reaction of an angry mugger when they hear the click of my flick-knife and the word "Bring it on". They walk backwards and insult me, and finally go away.

I carry it for self defence. I always have a bag on me with £2500 worth of camera equipment and I walk through very bad areas (in any city I have ever lived) and, unfortunatly, I have been nearly mugged more times than you could imagine. Usually the knife is not needed, but the times it was (only when they had a knife) it what extremly effective. And if I am so unlucky that he would want to go further, I have been trained to use it, but I don't I would. (That does not mean trained to kill, but trained to cut the hand that is carrying the knife).

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by Aladdin
The McPherson report did not object to stop & searches, but at the fact that only the people of a certain race were the subject of them.

So yes they should be brought back, but this time let's search everyone eh?

I don't know this law... Does it mean that the police can search anyone or anyone that is suspicious of having commited a crime...

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by ladymuck
(I looked on the Home Office Site and would you believe it I couldn't see a breakdown of crimes by ethnic minorities)

And that is how it should be.