The May 1st enlargement of the EU

[marv]

There is only two days before the EU gains ten new members.

Is it a good thing?

What do you think would be the impact to the EU and to the Britain having ten new members?

[lukesh]

I do think it's a good thing for linking them with the rest of Europe to create peace you know. It's a bad thing in a way because of mass immigration I'm taking about them who rob us from our benefits.
But Europe better watch out as most of these new countries are pro american and won't like France and germany thinking they acn run the place.




Britian will gain and loose. We will have too many immigrants i.e results to more BNP how ever they will do the horrible jobs for us and fill up trade work.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by lukesh
how ever they will do the horrible jobs for us

Like nursing, doctors...

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Like nursing, doctors... i meant agriculture, cleaning...

[Dear Wendy]

I see it as a positive thing.

I am looking forward to the day where the borders will be as free as they are in the states.
For now, I can only see advantages with the EU. For example it'll give me the chance to study in the UK without paying the astronomic prices that students outside of the EU pay (if they accept me that is :nervous: ).

The EU has a lot of faults, especially with how we tax goods from outside (especially products from low-income countries) - but we can work towards making it better, and better-functioning.

[ladymuck]

It all favours Big Business, Tesco are expanding in Poland, will no doubt wipe out local shops. A large influx of new people into Uk is again good for UK business' wage bills and will receive the hearty endorsement of the CBI and Nulabour who have their nose in many a trough.

i expect UK will pay towards improving the ramshackle infrastructure of these countries so tax revenues must rise

We in UK can travel freely in these countries, like Wow!

[lukesh]

we should all get together and be freinds, trade, closer ties but not polically, this is whgat eastern Europe won't like.

[Jim V]

not just travel freely but work freely. I quite like the idea of working in the Baltics.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jim V
not just travel freely but work freely. I quite like the idea of working in the Baltics. yep, I'd like to work in another country one day for a bit. the Eu will allow us to do this easily.

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by lukesh
I do think it's a good thing for linking them with the rest of Europe to create peace you know. It's a bad thing in a way because of mass immigration I'm taking about them who rob us from our benefits.


And you wonder why people criticise you for taking the S*n too seriously?

On mass immigration.....

The predicted effect by demographers and people whoactually know about these things will be quite small, just wait and see, there won't be that many.

Poland is predicted to receive net immigration by the end of the decade!

On benefits........

If you had been paying attention you would know that the benfits that the new EU citizens can claim in this country are severely restricted.......

Oh Dear.

[ladymuck]

I doubt if many would want to work for the forseeable future in E. Bloc countries unless they want to work for v. low wages.

It's why immigrants are coming here

[Toadborg]

But the business opportunities in the new EU countries are superior to those that exist in the west, possibility of far higher returns.

Also they now form a new boundary with the very East of Europe and will receive immigration from there........

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by ladymuck
I doubt if many would want to work for the forseeable future in E. Bloc countries unless they want to work for v. low wages.

It's why immigrants are coming here

Lower vages, with a higher living standard. My social studies teacher's son got an economics degree from Copenhagen. And applied for a job in Estonia. There he has become the financial director of a big Estonian company, and has a position in a trading organisation.
At the age of 28 he has (from what she tells) property, car, position and a great CV, for when he would want to wish to move on.

He would never be able to gain that here, within such a short amount of time.

[Toadborg]

Exactumundo, Jacq.......

[Aladdin]

As many a refugee has said sarcastically over the years (and now repeated by that Iranian stand-up comedian): "You know, back [home] I was a doctor/engineer/whatever, but I dropped it all to come to Britain because my long-life dream was to work in a chip shop in England." :rolleyes:

[ladymuck]

He would never be able to gain that here, within such a short amount of time.

it might be a plus for some younger people , not much to most of UK populace, chicken-feed wages pay not a mortgage in UK

[Toadborg]

Nor are the vast majority of East Europeans going to come to the West though........

[Jim V]

not wanting to turn this into a housing thread but UK wages don't exactly pay morgages here either.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by ladymuck
it might be a plus for some younger people , not much to most of UK populace, chicken-feed wages pay not a mortgage in UK

Well if you live there, then you're probably gonna be living according to their mortgage/rent whatever.
Which is very affordable when you're from the west.

[Toadborg]

Depends what and where you want.

Fact is that housing here is very good.

And obviously someone must be able and willing to pay else the prices wouldn't be that high.........

UK wages are some of the best in the world, thats the basics.......

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
a bad thing in a way because of mass immigration I'm taking about them who rob us from our benefits.

Who? For fucks sake man, stop making wild assertions with no basis in fact. Who are "them" that will "rob us from our benefits"?
:confused:
Have you ever tried living on benefits? It ain't no picnic, I can tell you.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Who? For fucks sake man, stop making wild assertions with no basis in fact. Who are "them" that will "rob us from our benefits"?
:confused:
Have you ever tried living on benefits? It ain't no picnic, I can tell you. you carry on beliueveibng that 100% of people who enter this country want to work.

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
....who rob us from our benefits.

What about people who have high-earning jobs and would rather their money was going to a genuine asylum seeker than on a British lay-about?

you carry on beliueveibng that 100% of people who enter this country want to work.

And maybe you can stop believing that 95% of asylum seekers are bogus?

[Captain Slog]

Originally posted by lukesh
I do think it's a good thing for linking them with the rest of Europe to create peace you know. It's a bad thing in a way because of mass immigration I'm taking about them who rob us from our benefits.
But Europe better watch out as most of these new countries are pro american and won't like France and germany thinking they acn run the place.




Britian will gain and loose. We will have too many immigrants i.e results to more BNP how ever they will do the horrible jobs for us and fill up trade work.
Fact 1: Tony Blair has said that people coming from the new EU countries will have to work, and will not be allowed to come here to claim banefits.

Fact 2: Jack McConnell has been crying out for immigrants to come to Scotland to halt our population decline and stop the "demographic timebomb".

So where's the problem?

On the plus side, these countries will benefit hugely from EU membership, and British companies will benefit from exports to these areas.

[ladymuck]

new migrants and benefits (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3514199.stm)

[xicoperez]

The 1st of May. What a beautiful date to expand my family. Ten new countries of hard working citizens will join us in this great Europen Project.

*clap clap clap clap*

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
you carry on beliueveibng that 100% of people who enter this country want to work.

I have never said that 100% of people do. But I think the vast majority do. We already have rules around benefits where people get benefits cut if they refuse to work. This will equally apply to immigrants. So what's the problem?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I have never said that 100% of people do. But I think the vast majority do. We already have rules around benefits where people get benefits cut if they refuse to work. This will equally apply to immigrants. So what's the problem? rules are often broke you know?



yeah intodays sun, figures show that we let in 700,000 Eastern Europeans last year, Shocking!!!! and no the sun hasn't made it up they are real figures and migration watch has agreed with them too.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by lukesh
rules are often broke you know?



yeah intodays sun, figures show that we let in 700,000 Eastern Europeans last year, Shocking!!!! and no the sun hasn't made it up they are real figures and migration watch has agreed with them too.

Even if the figures are that high, Britain needs migrant workers in order to sustain an increasingly elderly population.

Personally I have no quarrals with the new countries entering the EU.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
rules are often broke you know?

Benefit rules are rigourously enforced.

Originally posted by lukesh
yeah intodays sun, figures show that we let in 700,000 Eastern Europeans last year, Shocking!!!! and no the sun hasn't made it up they are real figures and migration watch has agreed with them too.

The Sun and Migration Watch are not credible sources.
Try again.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Benefit rules are rigourously enforced.



The Sun and Migration Watch are not credible sources.
Try again. lets go and check the guardian for decent facts... ow yes.. I don't think so...

[Blagsta]

A good source would the Home Office, the UN or the Refugee Council.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
A good source would the Home Office, the UN or the Refugee Council. Home Office are you insane? Biggest lairs of them all when it comes to immigration.. just look at Beverley Hughes for one.

[Blagsta]

*bangs head against wall*

Are you really as thick as you make out? Or is it an act?
I'm intrigued, really. :confused:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
*bangs head against wall*

Are you really as thick as you make out? Or is it an act?
I'm intrigued, really. :confused: explain why Iam thick?

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by lukesh
explain why Iam thick?

Because I'm French... :eek2:

[LadyJade]

I said play nice!

*gets whip out*

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by LadyJade
*gets whip out*

*gets excited* :D

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by Jim V
not just travel freely but work freely. I quite like the idea of working in the Baltics.

I would love to! I am going to travel all over Europe. :)

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by Blagsta
*gets excited* :D

:no:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by xicoperez
Because I'm French... :eek2: not you! why am i thick?

[ShyBoy]

I would like to add how excited I am about these countries joining! Hey, does anybody know the requirements to become an MEP?

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by lukesh
not you! why am i thick?

Ha ha ha ha haa. I don't know you better ask your parents...

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by xicoperez
Ha ha ha ha haa. I don't know you better ask your parents...

Oh damn! I did it again! :no:

[Renzo]

Can't help but see you ignored my question Lukesh. What percentage of Eastern Europeans do you think are coming here just to live off the state without working?

[wheresmyplacebo]

yeh lukeish as our debates always land u like this, what kind of proportion of these immigrants are 'gypsies spongers'????

[Renzo]

So far i have only heard that one hungarian student wishing to earn money as a waiter as turned up

[ladymuck]

Captain slog:

Fact 1: Tony Blair has said that people coming from the new EU countries will have to work, and will not be allowed to come here to claim banefits.

Seems like this is not as we speak a fact. Just been listening to Any Questions, John Redwood was on a committee overseeing v. last-minute panic changes to legislation by hughes replacement. seems like housing benefit and tax-credits are immediately payable. The proposed Worker registration scheme is in shambles

Why did UK do same as most of EU - delay a possible rush by a planned and prepared entry scheme?

Young people posting here will be competing heavily for work with these new arrivals.

[Dear Wendy]

You're so fucking annoying it's unbelievable.

If people want to work to create themselves a better life, then let them.

I for one, am of the opinion that people who claim that immigrants take their work, would be too lazy to apply for it, even if there were no immigrants.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Captain slog:



Seems like this is not as we speak a fact. Just been listening to Any Questions, John Redwood was on a committee overseeing v. last-minute panic changes to legislation by hughes replacement. seems like housing benefit and tax-credits are immediately payable. The proposed Worker registration scheme is in shambles

Why did UK do same as most of EU - delay a possible rush by a planned and prepared entry scheme?

Young people posting here will be competing heavily for work with these new arrivals.

Who gives a fuck? So, some people get some help with getting housed. Well good. I'm glad my taxes are going towards helping people.

Only a selfish wanker would begrudge this.

[The Doc]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Young people posting here will be competing heavily for work with these new arrivals.

If they are better at jobs which effect everyone (scientists, doctors, lawyers etc) then I think they should get them anyway.

[lukesh]

We can't let people just come in the Uk to alienate us too much you know. if it was up to some of you guys, anyone would be allowed into the country. Them who are off to the Uk say theyare going to London, why London? It's fastly becoming an alien city.

[Blagsta]

Showing your true xenophobic colours there eh?
I was born and grew up in London. I currently live in Lambeth, the most ethincally diverse borough. I love it, I love hearing different languages, accents, music, seeing different people, faces etc.
People are fascinating.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Showing your true xenophobic colours there eh?
I was born and grew up in London. I currently live in Lambeth, the most ethincally diverse borough. I love it, I love hearing different languages, accents, music, seeing different people, faces etc.
People are fascinating. You love it of course. I don't mind other cultures but they must understand that they live in England.

[Blagsta]

LOL! :D

You don't know how unintentionally funny you are sometimes! :D

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
LOL! :D

You don't know how unintentionally funny you are sometimes! :D gald I make you laugh but I'm being serious. It is scarey that london is becomming an alien place.

[Blagsta]

Have you ever been to London?

[ladymuck]

I currently live in Lambeth, the most ethincally diverse borough.

It was on the radio, I'll try to source it, people are leaving Lambeth in their droves, probably for reasons you like it plus, of course, its high crime rates

I finf no fascination with say, spoken Somali, it has a harsh tone and is utterly incomprehensible. Heavens, they could be saying anything!

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Have you ever been to London? no, never but would like to go, it is of course the capital of my country.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
It was on the radio, I'll try to source it, people are leaving Lambeth in their droves, probably for reasons you like it plus, of course, its high crime rates

Absolute shite. More and more people are moving to Brixton, its becoming a tad gentrified.
And seeing as you never go in areas where black people live ('cos you're scared! LOL! :D ) what the fuck do you know about it?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
no, never but would like to go, it is of course the capital of my country.

So how do you know its "alien"? :confused:
You don't half come out with some right corkers sometimes. :D

Actually a trip to London might do you some good, might broaden your horizons a bit.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
So how do you know its "alien"? :confused:
You don't half come out with some right corkers sometimes. :D

Actually a trip to London might do you some good, might broaden your horizons a bit. government statisics say so.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
I finf no fascination with say, spoken Somali, it has a harsh tone and is utterly incomprehensible. Heavens, they could be saying anything!

Do you realise how utterly foolish this statement makes you look?

[ladymuck]

And seeing as you never go in areas where black people live ('cos you're scared! LOL! ) what the fuck do you know about it?

But I do, old chum but not for long:) I don't like poor areas of any hue, depressing

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
government statisics say so.

What the fuck are you on about? Government stats say that London is becoming "alien"?

Are you tripping? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Seriously, what the fuck? :confused:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
But I do, old chum but not for long:) I don't like poor areas of any hue, depressing

This makes you look like an idiot too.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
What the fuck are you on about? Government stats say that London is becoming "alien"?

Are you tripping? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Seriously, what the fuck? :confused: no you idiot and you have no respect do you, swearing all of the time.

The majority English, is fastly becomming the minority.

[Blagsta]

What on earth are you on about?
Becoming a minority? What? :confused:

According to the National Office for Statistics, only 7.9% of the UK population are non-white.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=455

and

In most non-White ethnic groups in Britain, the majority of people described their national identity as either British, English, Scottish, Welsh, or Irish. This included 87 per cent of people from the Mixed group, 81 per cent of the Other Black group, 80 per cent of the Black Caribbean group, and three quarters of the Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=459


You really are full of shit Luke.

[ladymuck]

i'd love to have complete faith in the National Census, someone rolling up of an evening at a large house in London full of flats is going to get a complete picture of who lives there, sure, of course

[katchika]

I like London because it's a lot less racist and segregated than here which I found on my visits. Lukesh, you come out with a load of tosh.

I am really pleased about the EU expansion. Some of the crap the "papers" have come out with, such as it will bring diseases and people are "queueing up" make me angry.

One of my friends on my uni course is from Latvia, one of the countries joining, she has taught me a lot about her country. I am half Czech and know people from there. These are not poor, deprived countries. These are countries where people work hard, not like the benefit culture so many "English" people seem to spend their whole life being part of. I welcome people who want to come here and work, and welcome the opportunities this will offer me.

[ladymuck]

PussyKatty
not like the benefit culture so many "English" people seem to spend their whole life being part of.

That might be so because benefits are available in UK, who's to say that others coming here won't go down the same path?

These are not poor, deprived countries.

Compared to W. Europe yes they are and EC taxpayers will be paying for their improvement as they did for S. Europe

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
i'd love to have complete faith in the National Census, someone rolling up of an evening at a large house in London full of flats is going to get a complete picture of who lives there, sure, of course

Obviously its not an entirely accurate picture, statistics never are. But its the best picture we've got.
So what do you judge your opinions on? Mein Kampf?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
That might be so because benefits are available in UK, who's to say that others coming here won't go down the same path?

So?

Originally posted by ladymuck
Compared to W. Europe yes they are and EC taxpayers will be paying for their improvement as they did for S. Europe

Again, so what?

You come across as very selfish, petty and small minded.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by ladymuck
PussyKatty


That might be so because benefits are available in UK, who's to say that others coming here won't go down the same path?



Compared to W. Europe yes they are and EC taxpayers will be paying for their improvement as they did for S. Europe yeah Poland is the richest of the Eastern block at only 4,500 a year average wage which is way below average for the EU.

Malta and Cyprus are the richest new comers.

[lukesh]

yeah if you don't want your country being alienated your very small minded arn't you?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
yeah if you don't want your country being alienated your very small minded arn't you?

Please explain how our country is "being alienated".

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
yeah if you don't want your country being alienated your very small minded arn't you?

By saying that, you are contradicting all your comments about how welcoming you are of foreigners.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Please explain how our country is "being alienated". where the native persons become a minority.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by the doc horatio
By saying that, you are contradicting all your comments about how welcoming you are of foreigners. i'm very weclome thnak you. you just think i hate them. like the rest of the left do.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
where the native persons become a minority.

But thats not happening.
And what do you mean by "native" anyway? We're all immigrants.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
i'm very weclome thnak you. you just think i hate them. like the rest of the left do.

Does this make any sense to anyone? :confused:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
But thats not happening.
And what do you mean by "native" anyway? We're all immigrants. yeah but i'm sure you know exactly what i mean.

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
i'm very weclome thnak you. you just think i hate them. like the rest of the left do.

No. You have said how welcoming you are to foreigner who want to live in your wonderful country, and then go on to complain how there are too many foreigners in London.

[ladymuck]

I recall an aticle by Deborah Orr saying that although she lived in groovy stockwell, her childrens activities and parties wer mostly white affairs, like tends to like etc. i expect these ethnic groups prefer each others company and if they're to preserve their culture will exclude others, A friend has a house used by a housing association has had a sucession of Africans + now somalis none of whom have shown much inclination to socialise with not just her but other english around them. If you ended up as the last english in the street it would be a lonely business being there/ The cultural differences can be too wide to bother

[The Doc]

I don't know about that, but "people of my ethnicity" welcome other people into their culture, and in turn, incorporate a majority of British culture.

So lots of people do bother, and actually try to overcome the "wide cultural differences".

[lukesh]

Originally posted by the doc horatio
No. You have said how welcoming you are to foreigner who want to live in your wonderful country, and then go on to complain how there are too many foreigners in London. yeah, we have to have limited unlike there is now. just read the news of the world to day, immigration exposed, anyone can get in now if they have a fake eastern european passport.

[TheKingOfGlasgow]

Honestly Lukesh, I know you read the sun et al, but you are really not doing yourself any favours by quoting from immigrant phobic right-wing newspapers. If you want yourself to be taken seriously, then quote more respectable newspapers, eg,. the guardian, times, independent etc for a more balanced view.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by TheKingOfGlasgow
Honestly Lukesh, I know you read the sun et al, but you are really not doing yourself any favours by quoting from immigrant phobic right-wing newspapers. If you want yourself to be taken seriously, then quote more respectable newspapers, eg,. the guardian, times, independent etc for a more balanced view. the tiesm, telegraph have the same views on immigration as the sun i think.

[TheKingOfGlasgow]

That may be, but they'll give a more balanced view since it's better quality journalism.

[dantheman]

lukesh you're an embarrassment mate, please change your icon people might get us mixed up.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by dantheman
lukesh you're an embarrassment mate, please change your icon people might get us mixed up.

Hello Lukesh :p ;)

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by dantheman
lukesh you're an embarrassment mate, please change your icon people might get us mixed up.

:lol: I usually do... Especially with comments like: Why not get a job instead? :eek2:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
yeah but i'm sure you know exactly what i mean.

I haven't the foggiest to be honest.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by dantheman
lukesh you're an embarrassment mate, please change your icon people might get us mixed up. what? explain please...

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
I recall an aticle by Deborah Orr saying that although she lived in groovy stockwell, her childrens activities and parties wer mostly white affairs, like tends to like etc.

Link?

Originally posted by ladymuck
i expect these ethnic groups prefer each others company and if they're to preserve their culture will exclude others,

You are so off the mark here. I would suggest its mostly a class issue. Deborah Orr is (I would suggest) a typical middle class liberal professional and as such, probably would have more white middle class friends, or the black people she might know would be middle class too. IME, working class people in diverse areas tend to mix a lot more freely.
BTW, Stockwell is not "groovy" (whatever "groovy" means. Its the sort of word my 67 year old dad would use!).

Originally posted by ladymuck
A friend has a house used by a housing association has had a sucession of Africans + now somalis none of whom have shown much inclination to socialise with not just her but other english around them.

Firstly I would doubt your story, knowing your agenda.
But if its true, I'm not surprised they don't want to socialise with your friend, if she's as racist as you are. They can probably pick up on the fact that your friend feels uncomfortable around them.


Originally posted by ladymuck
If you ended up as the last english in the street it would be a lonely business being there/ The cultural differences can be too wide to bother

If you're narrow minded and unwilling to communicate with people. Most people are sound if you give them a chance, whatever their culture.
And anyway, how many people socialise with ther neighbours anyway?

[ladymuck]

Blagsta: I looked for a link to that article but maybe columnists' articles aren't indexed (besides the Indy requires payment, sod that) all I couild come up with was this, showing the downside of 'groovy stockwell'

'Woman who bit columnist during break-in goes free
By Chris Gray
25 June 2002


A habitual burglar who broke into the home of the novelist Will Self and assaulted his wife, Deborah Orr, a columnist for The Independent, walked free from court yesterday.

They could afford to live anywhere, like Hampstead, god knows why they don't.

As for the rest of my post, if you don't believe it's veracity, too bad

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Blagsta: I looked for a link to that article but maybe columnists' articles aren't indexed (besides the Indy requires payment, sod that)

How convenient for you. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ladymuck
all I couild come up with was this, showing the downside of 'groovy stockwell'

'Woman who bit columnist during break-in goes free
By Chris Gray
25 June 2002


A habitual burglar who broke into the home of the novelist Will Self and assaulted his wife, Deborah Orr, a columnist for The Independent, walked free from court yesterday.

They could afford to live anywhere, like Hampstead, god knows why they don't.

What has this got to do with anything? :confused:

Originally posted by ladymuck
As for the rest of my post, if you don't believe it's veracity, too bad

Well given your track record on here of vocally supporting racism and distorting things to suit your own twisted agenda, I find it a little hard to believe, yes.
But if true - why not try and engage with some of my points? :confused:

[ladymuck]

But if its true, I'm not surprised they don't want to socialise with your friend, if she's as racist as you are. They can probably pick up on the fact that your friend feels uncomfortable around them.

There you go again, assumptions, ... No this friend would not happily accept the label of racist and she's not alone in finding a reluctance amongst ppls from 3rd world to socialise outside of themselves

i wouldn't be welcome in a kurdish/somali /greek cypriot cafe nor would you

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
There you go again, assumptions, ... No this friend would not happily accept the label of racist and she's not alone in finding a reluctance amongst ppls from 3rd world to socialise outside of themselves

Sorry, I think you're lying. It wouldn't be the first time.

Originally posted by ladymuck
i wouldn't be welcome in a kurdish/somali /greek cypriot cafe nor would you

LOL! :D You are so full of shit. You have no idea where I hang out and where I am and am not welcome.
This says more about your prejudices and perceptions than welcoming/non-welcoming communities. :D

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by ladymuck
There you go again, assumptions, ... No this friend would not happily accept the label of racist and she's not alone in finding a reluctance amongst ppls from 3rd world to socialise outside of themselves

i wouldn't be welcome in a kurdish/somali /greek cypriot cafe nor would you

Well isn't that the norm these days with everyone, especially within cities. There's no such thing as society you know. I have lived in areas which were mainly white since adulthood and can't say that people went out of the way to socialise with me. Nothing to do with their race most of the time, just the fact that these days people don't bother.

[ladymuck]

Blagsta

Sorry, I think you're lying. It wouldn't be the first time.

An accusaton of lying, eh? Serious stuff, give an instance, go on

BlackArab

Nothing to do with their race most of the time, just the fact that these days people don't bother.

yes, sometimes it's just personal chemistry or the lack of it

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Blagsta



An accusaton of lying, eh? Serious stuff, give an instance, go on

Everything you say.

[LadyJade]

Some of the 'opinions' expressed in this thread are way to specific. I would like to remind you of the politics guidelines (http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28758), this one in particular - Racist, hateful, defamatory or otherwise illegal posts are not suitable.

Some of you, and you have been warned before, are expressing racist opinions. Particularly as they are completely unsubstantiated by fact.

I will not tolerate any more of these comments, and I ask you again not to get personal.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
An accusaton of lying, eh? Serious stuff, give an instance, go on

More a misrepresntation, than outright intentional lie.

You warned us that we would get a influx of immigrants through the ports, following the extentsion. It's only Tuesday (3 days in) and I can't move around East Kent because of all the immigrants from the new countries...

He says sarcastically...

[dantheman]

Originally posted by xicoperez
:lol: I usually... I especially with comments like: Why not get a job instead? :eek2:
Get over it.

[ladymuck]

You warned us that we would get a influx of immigrants through the ports

Did not

I was dicussing the web of lies HMGov was weaving

misrepresntation from you

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Did not

I was dicussing the web of lies HMGov was weaving

misrepresntation from you

What lies were you discussing then?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Did not

I was dicussing the web of lies HMGov was weaving

misrepresntation from you

There you go, lying again.

[ladymuck]

Blagsta, more lazy slurs, go on find the lie, you didn't last time

[Blagsta]

Your entire tone on this thread and others is about floods of immigrants, which haven't appeared.

[ladymuck]

The sort of non-riposte I'd expect from a witless drone, well done

[Blagsta]

I'll dig through all your posts if you like.

[katchika]

I don't know about Somali or Greek cafes but I am sure you would be made very welcome in a Kurdish cafe, I have been to several in North London and Birmingham and they are very happy if people want to go there and eat their food, listen to their music etc. Small minded assumptions!

[Blagsta]

Exactly. It says more about ladymuck's attitudes than anything else. Most people are welcoming and friendly if you are respectful and show interest.

[LadyJade]

No one is interested in your bickering Blagsta and ladymuck. Please stay on topic and please stop making personal comments.

[Blagsta]

I don't think I've made any on this thread.

[ladymuck]

I don't know about Somali or Greek cafes but I am sure you would be made very welcome in a Kurdish cafe, I have been to several in North London and Birmingham and they are very happy if people want to go there and eat their food, listen to their music etc. Small minded assumptions!

PussyKatty, you neglect to remind us b/f is Kurdish, yes?.

Going in 'cold' would be another story,.

As an aside, in N. london, Greek cafes have been much raided by Albanians lately

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I don't think I've made any on this thread.

Accusing someone of being a liar is getting pretty personal. Admittedly the response was more out of order, but in any case both of you are completely off the topic.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by ladymuck
PussyKatty, you neglect to remind us b/f is Kurdish, yes?. Why should that matter?

As an aside, in N. london, Greek cafes have been much raided by Albanians lately [/B] I heard of this. They come in their big stretch Merc limos (paid by the government), raid the place and then collect their £2,000 a week benefit as they drive off to their Surrey Estates.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by LadyJade
Accusing someone of being a liar is getting pretty personal.

But she is a liar. Not a slur - a fact.

[katchika]

Yes he is but that is not the point. I'm not.

You make assumptions about things you have no experience of.

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by ladymuck
PussyKatty, you neglect to remind us b/f is Kurdish, yes?.

Going in 'cold' would be another story,.

As an aside, in N. london, Greek cafes have been much raided by Albanians lately

ladymuck, I would really appreciate you using links to substantiate comments like that, otherwise you are just repeating ethnically biased hearsay. Where is the evidence for that comment?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
PussyKatty, you neglect to remind us b/f is Kurdish, yes?.

So? She'll have more insight than you as to whether these communities are welcoming or not.


Originally posted by ladymuck
Going in 'cold' would be another story.

Bollocks. I'm not black and I don't have a black girlfriend, but I have no problems going to blues parties or black pubs.
As I said, it says a lot more about your attitude that you find places dominated by other cultures/races/people intimidating. Try actually being friendly and talking to people - you might be pleasantly surprised.

[ladymuck]

Where is the evidence for that comment?

My Greek hair-dresserand a few accounts in the local papers

Not all in this world has a link, the forums would be surely duller if no-one discussed what they hear/see rather than 2nd hand journalism?

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by ladymuck
My Greek hair-dresserand a few accounts in the local papers

Not all in this world has a link, the forums would be surely duller if no-one discussed what they hear/see rather than 2nd hand journalism?

Your hairdresser? Are you for real? That's not evidence that's hearsay. I'm sorry, and this goes for everyone, if you are challenged to substantiate your opinion you should at least try to find a link.

[ladymuck]

Your hairdresser? Are you for real?

Yes, I'm for real

You didn't query PussyKatty's account of her warm reception in her Kurdish cafes, do they host websites inviting us all in?

You didn't ask on another thread MoK for a link to the radio-broadcast he heard on May 1st immigration

Some are aked for links and some aren't

[LadyJade]

PussyKatty was sharing her experience with us. You posted about an event which should have been able to be backed up with evidence.

[katchika]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Yes, I'm for real

You didn't query PussyKatty's account of her warm reception in her Kurdish cafes, do they host websites inviting us all in?




You really do come out with some rubbish, your name seems well chosen. Of course they don't have websites inviting people in but they are running businesses, of course they welcome trade as well as on the whole being hospitable, friendly people. If you are interested in another culture rather than writing it off, you may find that people are more than willing to educate you and fill in your knowledge, and in your case, your misconceptions about certain ethnic groups.

In any case, I don't see any websites welcoming my boyfriend into certain venues which he avoids because of racism from narrow minded people!

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
My Greek hair-dresserand a few accounts in the local papers

Yes, of course he does dear. :rolleyes:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Yes, I'm for real

You didn't query PussyKatty's account of her warm reception in her Kurdish cafes, do they host websites inviting us all in?

You didn't ask on another thread MoK for a link to the radio-broadcast he heard on May 1st immigration

Some are aked for links and some aren't

Mainly 'cos you're known for posting utter unsubstantiated racist claptrap.

[ladymuck]

Blagsta, found any of my 'lies' yet?

Or are you the liar here?

[Blagsta]

I will dig through all your posts if you really want.

[Jim V]

Blagsta and LadyMuck, you are both damn close to getting banned if you keep this bickering crap up. I'm not going to close another damn thread because the two of you can't leave each other alone.

[Blagsta]

I think she fancies me ;)

OK, I'll try and stop now. But I won't put up with any more of her racist shit.

[Aladdin]

Didn't know really which thread to use since they all end up to the same tune, but I might as well use this one since this is regarding the original subject, the May 1st enlargement of the European Union.

I thought I should share the wisdom of Guardian readers with you. The first 3 letters sum up my feelings pretty well:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1210303,00.html