The BNP - The Truth in their own words

[Braineater]

This is the reality of the BNP:

1. A nation that spends more on rehousing non-whites abroad than it does on housing natives by bribing countries to take them.

2. Withdrawl from the EU, our closest neighbours but creating a new political bloc with former white-dominated empire countries.

3. A police state, with the restoration of Capital punishment, and the legalisation of vigilanties. Plus the return of using torture on petty criminals, vandals (protestors against the BNP?) and children. Police will no longer be tied by "rules" on the use of force.

4. The exclusion of products from foreign countries and the collectivisation of industry.

5. Schoolchildren taught national pride before anything else.

6. Our "self sufficient" economy would no longer focus on quantity of food produced but quality. We would no longer have coffee, tea, certain fruits, rices etc. to protect "British interests from Third World handouts".

7. No more foreign aid.............foreign doctors, nurses, cleaners.........

8. Children will die outside schools, people will die doing 150mph on the motorway and roads will crumble through lack of investment as road tax and fuel tax are reduced while speed cameras and speed limits on motorways are abolished.

9. They're pro-car yet want a "pollution free Britain" ????

10. They want a return of "traditional" local housing and architecture (thatched roofs, mud huts, caves?).

11. Foreign aid will be linked with resettlement, meaning we pay them to take back people who will easily gobble up our "generous" investment. The "billions" of pounds "saved" will go on "vital British services".

12. Making sure pensioners can live in luxury while theres no mention of young "white" families who I'm sure the BNP want to support them also.

13. The annextion of the Republic of Ireland into the United Kingdom and the banning of Sinn Fein.

14. The restoration of National Service ,the withdrawl from NATO, the closure of all foreign bases on British soil and increased military spending despite the fact we will have a "position of armed neutrality".

15. Isolation from the rest of the world. We would, and they proudly state, "have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten Britain's interests." What about those who do?

16. Referndums on everything under the sun. Politicians will no longer be allowed to run the country, Joe Bloggs down the road will be as important constitutionally as the Prime Minister so we end up with thousands of microstates all run by the BNP.

I was of two minds whether or not to go to their website but the truth has to be known but here's the link for anyone who disputes my interpretation.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies.html

Can any person who has Britains interests at heart really believe the BNP do as well?

[Man Of Kent]

Okay, a racist police state I could live with.


But No coffee? :eek:

[Aladdin]

One quick glance at that list explains perfectly why that school, religious or not, did the right thing in suspending the teacher standing as a BNP candidate.

No one who subscribes to such policies and furthermore stands for such party should be allowed near children.

As far as I'm concerned there might even be grounds for taking the children of BNP members into care, if there is any evidence they're poisoning the kids' minds with such obscene filth.

[Man Of Kent]

Dangerous view point Aladdin and it makes you closer to the sort of thinking that the BNP displays than I think you would be comfortable with.

That people hold these views is one thing I deplore. That you seek to silence them is another.

[lukesh]

most of the site is rubbish. they are mosty real racist thugs who are in gangs and think they own the place and who are on the dole and don't do much for this country.

The voters are manily decent people who have enough of the 3 main parties and who have had enough of blair sorting the immigration thing.. which he has been doing for the last few years. lol

[marv]

Oh come on the party is a far right facist party and the people who vote for the BNP are racist.

All the stuff the BNP is scaremongering and playing on peoples irrational fears

If u dont believe that u are naive

[lukesh]

Originally posted by marv
Oh come on the party is a far right facist party and the people who vote for the BNP are racist.

All the stuff the BNP is scaremongering and playing on peoples irrational fears

If u dont believe that u are naive tell you man, a lot of BNP voters are NOT racist. why do they vote BNP you ask? They vote them because they want to make Blair be scared, so he will do something, at the moment they say they are deeply concerned.. they make me laugh so much.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Dangerous view point Aladdin and it makes you closer to the sort of thinking that the BNP displays than I think you would be comfortable with.

That people hold these views is one thing I deplore. That you seek to silence them is another. Well I’ll have to stand guilty as charged. I don't believe in 'absolute freedom of speech'. I agree with Germany making it illegal to give Nazi salutes and display Swastikas. I believe there is such a thing as a limit to things.

It might sound imperfect or against the principle of democracy and freedom of speech, but I believe lines can be drawn, and I believe democratic decent societies can draw the line at the right place.

The thing is, fascist/Nazi parties such as the BNP that take advantage of democracy and freedom of speech to sprout their vile filth would invariably suppress democracy and freedom of speech if they ever gained power. I don't see why we should extend unlimited rights to the very people who would suppress them for everyone else if they had the chance.

They are the enemy of freedom.

[Toadborg]

"Oh ffs. This is so tedious. You are like a bunch of monkeys."

(Quote form LadyJade on closed BNP thread.)

Just wanted too mention.........

As far as I am concerned a moderator thinking something is 'tedious' is no grounds for closing a thread. Why does it matter really? Why not let people post what they like, as long as they are only shouting at each other (metaphorically) ?

Heres what we will do, we will recount all the stories we have actually expaerienced ourselves, not heard in some crappy tabloid about the negative effect of immigrants.

My negative effect from immigrants

0 (zero)

Anyone else?

[LadyJade]

I didn't close the thread because it was tedious. Tedious referred to the fact that this is becoming the sad end of many an interesting dicussion. I was frustrated because some people, the mods included, had been trying to steer the debate back to the topic. People had also been warned to play nice.

I closed it because name calling and bickering isn't informative and doesn't contribute to people's understanding of the topic. I closed it because watching a slanging match is the equivalent of standing outside the pub on a Saturday night and watching a punchup.

Why not let people post what they like, as long as they are only shouting at each other (metaphorically) ?

Read the rules. There was a lot of personal sniping going on, you know we don't allow it.

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by LadyJade

I closed it because name calling and bickering isn't informative and doesn't contribute to people's understanding of the topic. I closed it because watching a slanging match is the equivalent of standing outside the pub on a Saturday night and watching a punchup.



Read the rules. There was a lot of personal sniping going on, you know we don't allow it.

i didn't relaise these debates were meant to be for the benefit of some outside party? Who is this exactly, the mods only?

I am indeed aware of the rules, it isn't that bad really though........

[LadyJade]

How else can I put it Toadborg.... Its closed. Get over it.

[Toadborg]

Indeed, i was just wondering, i am sure it will happen again soon, and I am sure you will have very good reason..........

[ShyBoy]

Different perspective view point here but I don't beleive all BNP voters are necissarily bad because if they have been brought up that way, how can you crucify them for it? I think there should be a greater emphasis on reeducation, and when that fails and they still choose to vote for such fascist politcal parties - then they can be held fully responsible.

[Toadborg]

Fair enough but you can't go too far down the path of not holding people to account for their views/actions.

i somehow think that reeducation would be rather difficult for adults. Best to concentrate on educating children against such views.......

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Aladdin
As far as I'm concerned there might even be grounds for taking the children of BNP members into care, if there is any evidence they're poisoning the kids' minds with such obscene filth.

You should know better than to say things like that, coming from Spain.

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Aladdin
They are the enemy of freedom.

Communists have the Gulags.

Be very careful when you throw stones, for everyone lives in a glass house.

[dantheman]

Originally posted by Kermit
You should know better than to say things like that, coming from Spain.

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

Kermit thats the 2nd Manics song I've heard from u recently.
keep it up!

[Kermit]

Originally posted by dantheman
Kermit thats the 2nd Manics song I've heard from u recently.
keep it up!

Indeed:)

They are very good to quote if one is feeling lazy :yes:

[the sole liber]

The UK is a liberal democracy, right?

So that means there is tolerance towards differing political viewpionts and that pluralism exists between them.

So it might not be right to 'ban' the BNP, no matter how reprehensible their views are!

[ladymuck]

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

Should read, If you tolerate pop songs like this, then your children will be next.

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by Kermit
Communists have the Gulags.

The Soviets had the Gulags, not the Communists. I thought you studied politics or something like that. But this would be another thread...

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by dantheman
Kermit thats the 2nd Manics song I've heard from u recently.
keep it up!

Aren't they Socialists? That is what they said when they did some concerts in Cuba with Castro in those concerts...

In those concerts or at?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Kermit
If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

Funny you should quote a song that is about the Spanish Revolution and fighting the fascists.

Have you seen Ken Loach's film "Land and Freedom"?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Should read, If you tolerate pop songs like this, then your children will be next.

"If I can shoot rabbits, then I can shoot fascists"

No wonder you don't like it.


BANG! :D

[dantheman]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Should read, If you tolerate pop songs like this, then your children will be next.

Well it got to number 1 so there you go :)

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by xicoperez
In those concerts or at?

Its at if he attended the concerts :)

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Funny you should quote a song that is about the Spanish Revolution and fighting the fascists.

I know, I thought so.

Thing is, I'd quite happily see the BNP get banned; I just think that it would set an incredibly dangerous precedent, because once it happens to one group of people who's to stop it happening to other groups of people.

I think the easiest way of getting people to stop listening to the BNP is to explain why they are wrong, why they are dangerous, and then just ignore them. Even in places like Burnley they are getting in on miniscule proportions of the popular vote, on miniscule turn-outs. Giving them the publicity they crave, like by sacking the teacher in the other thread, is counter-productive. Just like the Greens disappeared when everyone stopped talking about them, the BNP will disappear too.

[budda]

Exactly!!

All this coverage makes them out to be a threat, when they are just a JOKE.

Anyone with even half a brain who reads their website realises they are stupid.

The problem is with the other parties and the areas where they are getting support not the BNP.

They are a result of traditional party politics failing in those areas, and the slum condictions of "social" housing.

They definately should not be banned.

I dont agree with you but I will die to defend your right to say it!!

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Kermit
I know, I thought so.

Thing is, I'd quite happily see the BNP get banned; I just think that it would set an incredibly dangerous precedent, because once it happens to one group of people who's to stop it happening to other groups of people.

I wouldn't ban them, this will just make them martyrs.
Just oppose them every time they rear their ugly little heads. Idealogically and also physically if necessary.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Just oppose them every time they rear their ugly little heads. Idealogically and also physically if necessary.

Definitely, though I wouldn't go so far as to stop them physically. If they want to protest they have a right to be protected, just as the Commies have a right to be protected from C18.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by bongbudda
The problem is with the other parties and the areas where they are getting support not the BNP.

They are a result of traditional party politics failing in those areas, and the slum condictions of "social" housing.

I think that's definitely true.

In the areas where the BNP have been getting support, it's good to see that all the main political parties are now paying attention to what the local people are saying. The BNP is a protest vote, and it works; they are so abhorrent that everyone comes running if you vote for one of the fuckers.

I can definitely see why people do, especially in places like Burnley, Oldham and Bradford, where people are getting exacberated by the council's actions, and lack of respect for people.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the BNP get in in Bradford in May, public sentiment at the supposed "pandering" to the ethnic community, which has now extended so far as to give one school in Bradford an Urdu name, has upset an awful lot of people. And no doubt that when it happens the BBC will be out saying how abhorrent and racist Bradfordians are :rolleyes:

[budda]

Its like the Le Penn in France, most of the people who vote for him arent even racist as such. They are just fed up with the condictions they are forced to live in.

These BNP candidates stand for something, they have answers, they sound like they are going to take action, that is attractive if you have to live in a "sink hole estate".

Of course their answers are rubbish and they wouldnt achieve anything, but thats not really the point.

As you say Kermit they are protest vote.

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by LadyJade
Its at if he attended the concerts :)

¡Muchas gracias!

[lukesh]

Originally posted by bongbudda
Its like the Le Penn in France, most of the people who vote for him arent even racist as such. They are just fed up with the condictions they are forced to live in.

OW YES!

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Kermit
Definitely, though I wouldn't go so far as to stop them physically. If they want to protest they have a right to be protected, just as the Commies have a right to be protected from C18.

Most anti-fascists don't want or need the state's protection. They're perfectly capable of protecting themselves.
If the BNP try to march, especially in a multicultural area, they should be opposed. Look up the history of the Battle of Cable Street sometime.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I wouldn't ban them, this will just make them martyrs.
Just oppose them every time they rear their ugly little heads. Idealogically and also physically if necessary.

and stopping them physically just gives rise to their accusations that those who oppose them are violent.

With reference to the two other quotes:

"If I can shoot rabbits..." & "If you tolerate this..."

They are both quotes from Welshmen who went out to Spain to fight facism. The Manics just used them in their song...

[Blagsta]

Yeah, I have read Homage to Catalonia, thanks.

[LabRat]

They have some good points like withdrawal from the EU, political isolationism, stopping foreign aid. In the most other items they are copying the programme of their leftist brethren.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by LabRat
They have some good points like withdrawal from the EU, political isolationism, stopping foreign aid. In the most other items they are copying the programme of their leftist brethren.

:rolleyes:

[ShyBoy]

Originally posted by Blagsta
:rolleyes:

seconded

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by LabRat
They have some good points like withdrawal from the EU, political isolationism, stopping foreign aid. In the most other items they are copying the programme of their leftist brethren.

:no:

[Toadborg]

C'mon LabRat lets see the justification......

[mixinmusic]

I would vote BNP and Im not racist. I would certainly not agree with all of their policies but isnt that the case with every party these days and a failure of your presious democracy.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by mixinmusic
I would vote BNP and Im not racist.

Your comments on another thread show this to be otherwise. All that "homogenous culture" bollocks is merely racism dressed up to look respectable.
I've got your card marked sonny.

[mixinmusic]

No. That is simply labeling the multi cultural debate with a racist headline. How do you ever expect to debate multi culturalism properly if anyone who opposes it is racist?

Is there not a difference between racism and opposing multi culturalism in a society? Surely you can have a multi racial society and a yet have a homogenous cultural society?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by mixinmusic
I would vote BNP and Im not racist
Thats what a lot of BNP voters are. NOT racist just had enough of with this Government.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
Thats what a lot of BNP voters are. NOT racist just had enough of with this Government.

I agree that in some cases it is a protest vote. But people have to realise that voting BNP is supporting a racist and fascist party.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by mixinmusic
No. That is simply labeling the multi cultural debate with a racist headline. How do you ever expect to debate multi culturalism properly if anyone who opposes it is racist?

Is there not a difference between racism and opposing multi culturalism in a society? Surely you can have a multi racial society and a yet have a homogenous cultural society?

OK, fair point I s'pose.
BUT the only people I ever hear bang on about having a homogenous culture, are members of far right groups (and yes, I'm sure you'll bring up the example of Trevor Phillips, but I don't believe he means the same thing as you do).

[Aladdin]

There are a lot of parties you could vote for if you have had enough of Labour.

There is absolutely no excuse to vote for the BNP- unless of course you agree with their racist xenophobic agenda.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I agree that in some cases it is a protest vote. But people have to realise that voting BNP is supporting a racist and fascist party. of course, but it's the only way to get this government to sort out this bloody mess.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
There are a lot of parties you could vote for if you have had enough of Labour.

There is absolutely no excuse to vote for the BNP- unless of course you agree with their racist xenophobic agenda. what the green party? they have no chance, BNP is the fastest growing porty in britian. and when bnp gets votes labour get some what concerned. but they still don't do anything. but they will in the next few years they will ahev too.

[Aladdin]

When it comes to immigration the Tories are doing a pretty good impersonation of the BNP as it is.

Are they not right wing enough for you?

The BNP does not believe in immigration control. The BNP believes in an end to immigration and repatriation of those who are already here.

Is that what you and others want? Close Britain to darkies and Asians and kick out those are already in?

Sounds pretty racist to me...

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
When it comes to immigration the Tories are doing a pretty good impersonation of the BNP as it is.

Are they not right wing enough for you?

The BNP does not believe in immigration control. The BNP believes in an end to immigration and repatriation of those who are already here.

Is that what you and others want? Close Britain to darkies and Asians and kick out those are already in?

Sounds pretty racist to me... You still not grasping what I'm saying. people vote the BNP to protest to the government on immigration. and I will say, tories are the one we need to sort this mess out.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
of course, but it's the only way to get this government to sort out this bloody mess.

I think there are better ways.
I have posted on another thread that there are reasons why people vote BNP - the government's handling of the dispersal of asylum seekers into already underfunded and work deprived areas (classic divide and rule), the inability of the left to get it together, tabloid media strirring it up etc.
I did post all that a short while ago and you dismissed it out of hand.

There are some left wing alternatives attempting to engage in working class areas. The IWCA for example http://www.iwca.info/ (no, I'm not a member)

[mixinmusic]

I can vote for whoever I want to vote for. I will tell you I do not agree with racism and I would never accecpt racism as a policy politically accecptable. I am fed up with this government, this "democracy" and these politically correct human rights that let criminals away with murder. I am fed up with this British cultural mess and I am fed up with my taxes going into the pockets of economic migrants.

I want to help people all across the world and I would be prepared to pay even higher tax to help places like Africa, the Indian Sub continent, Iraq etc and deal with the source of this mess of migrants rather than sort out the problem when they arrive at our doorstep. I do not want to see anybody harmed by racist policies and I am not racist and would stand up against racism.

Let it be known that I am not an uneducated individual who lives in a council estate dump but a middle class voter with no economic problems to speak of that is fed up with the mess these governments cant seam to sort out.

[Aladdin]

Okay I see what you're saying but I still can't see how anyone could choose the BNP for protest voting.

Surely that's a wasted voted on the Tories, who could use every vote they get in order to beat Labour?

There is also a limit to what one is prepared to do for protest. I find the BNP far too repellent even for protest voting, and they will be using the extra votes to rake up their racist agenda and spread hatred.

I'd rather spoil my ballot if I have to.

[lukesh]

yeah we live in a democracey hence BNP is allowed.

[mixinmusic]

I am not protesting. I am agreeing with some of their policies.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by mixinmusic
I can vote for whoever I want to vote for. I will tell you I do not agree with racism and I would never accecpt racism as a policy politically accecptable. I am fed up with this government, this "democracy" and these politically correct human rights that let criminals away with murder. I am fed up with this British cultural mess and I am fed up with my taxes going into the pockets of economic migrants.

I want to help people all across the world and I would be prepared to pay even higher tax to help places like Africa, the Indian Sub continent, Iraq etc and deal with the source of this mess of migrants rather than sort out the problem when they arrive at our doorstep. I do not want to see anybody harmed by racist policies and I am not racist and would stand up against racism.

Let it be known that I am not an uneducated individual who lives in a council estate dump but a middle class voter with no economic problems to speak of that is fed up with the mess these governments cant seam to sort out.

You admitted on another thread that you support fascism.

Nice. :rolleyes:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by mixinmusic
I am not protesting. I am agreeing with some of their policies. I don't agree with 99% of BNP policies. They want all white Britian, Not in my name i say the racist gits. But they are winning votes because Labour have lost control of immigration.

[mixinmusic]

Quote me where I said I supported facism. I said I sympathised with facism as do many who believe in the elitist distribution of power within a society.

[mixinmusic]

I agree with more BNP policies than I agree on Troy and Labour policies and dont get me started on the liberals

[lukesh]

Originally posted by mixinmusic
Quote me where I said I supported facism. I said I sympathised with facism as do many who believe in the elitist distribution of power within a society. I'm not saying you support BNP at all,!!!!

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
what the green party? they have no chance, BNP is the fastest growing porty in britian. and when bnp gets votes labour get some what concerned. but they still don't do anything. but they will in the next few years they will ahev too.

Yes, but Labour do not care who is getting the votes, they only notice that the number of votes they are receiving is dropping. So why not give your vote to someone else other than the BNP?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by the doc horatio
Yes, but Labour do not care who is getting the votes, they only notice that the number of votes they are receiving is dropping. So why not give your vote to someone else other than the BNP? because voting for the BNP will make the governemnt worried and make them do something, they will ahve to one day when they are the 3rd largest party or possibley higher.

If I could vote I'd vote tories never vote BNp.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by mixinmusic
Quote me where I said I supported facism. I said I sympathised with facism as do many who believe in the elitist distribution of power within a society.

The only people who sympathise with fascism are fascists.

You're clever, I'll grant you that. Trying to put a respectable spin on the BNP. Building up to the Euro elections innit?
Sorry sonny, but I won't wash. You've been sussed mate.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
If I could vote I'd vote tories never vote BNp.

Glad to hear it. :)

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Glad to hear it. :) you really thought I'd vote BNP didn't you? Not in a million years, I've seen enough of the racist sods!

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
you really thought I'd vote BNP didn't you? Not in a million years, I've seen enough of the racist sods!

Good :)

[mixinmusic]

So tell me what about the political scientists such as Pareto, Mosca and Michels, all elitists in their political outlook on the distribution of power and all who sympathised with facism. I do not believe in facism but I have strong sympathies with it as a means for governance.

[LabRat]

Originally posted by Toadborg
C'mon LabRat lets see the justification......
The justification of what?
That they are copying Liberals? But it is obvious. They are for mightier welfare state and want to expend state’s control over new spheres of private life and economy.
That political isolationism is good? Again, it’s obvious. How much cash would you save abolishing Foreign office, these ambassadors, international conferences that are nothing but five star tourism at your expense…

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by lukesh
If I could vote I'd vote tories never vote BNp.

Originally posted by Blagsta
Glad to hear it. :)

Originally posted by lukesh
you really thought I'd vote BNP didn't you? Not in a million years, I've seen enough of the racist sods!

Originally posted by Blagsta
Good :)

Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. :crying: :yes:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by xicoperez
Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. :crying: :yes: what????

Hey man I'm NO BNP support or anything, never have been. YOu guys just believe that if your anti illegal immigration your racist, little englander and bnp supporter.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
what????

Hey man I'm NO BNP support or anything, never have been. YOu guys just believe that if your anti illegal immigration your racist, little englander and bnp supporter.

Try reading the post again. :rolleyes:

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by xicoperez
Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. :crying: :yes:

:lol: I like your style Xico.

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[xicoperez]

Originally posted by LadyJade
:lol: I like your style Xico. ;)