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wheresmyplacebo
24-04-2004, 11:12 PM
since all threads seem to be englis anti english racism stuff im jsut wondering wht you think should be done about the housing crisis

personally i think it down to fact the money earned from right to buy is not allowed to be spent on building new housing under law put in by mrs thatcher


and i think we should redevelop brown field sites though the developers wuld like us to buelieve they need to build on more green belt land, but im not on about 100% gentrification with expenisve housing

and we should decelop up north more and do redevelopment also

camden council wants to turn the unused office space into housing since its surplus

what you fink we shuld do???

Renzo
24-04-2004, 11:14 PM
There are alot of derilict building in city centres, however when these are converted they usually turn into luxery flats. Why not turn them into affordable homes.

piccolo
25-04-2004, 12:26 AM
Exactly right, Renzo. Although maybe we only see that in the South East? What's it like up north? What seems "affordable" here may be extortionate to you.

Interestingly our local MP came into school and someone raised exactly that question. He pointed out that the problem is not a lack of space, but a lack of space where it's sought after (e.g. the South East).

Should homeless people living in the south be forced to have to move into those properties left empty in the north?

girl with sharp teeth
25-04-2004, 10:26 AM
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Braineater
25-04-2004, 10:38 AM
Council houses were there to make sure those on low incomes had a roof over their head so we suffer yet again from Thatcher's legacy. Now we have a situation where councils have privatised council housing altogether.

I think a gradual modernisation programme of inner city estates should be looked at. Although I would rather it were a publicly funded scheme, I think councils should look at public/private partnerships with a guarenteed % of private and rented housing, with the ratio in favour of rented.

Instead of old style tower blocks, we should look towards building real communities affordable to all with steel and glass. High standard inner city housing will help stop the urban sprawl. If you demolish some of the derelict terraces in the inner city and built a high quality replacement people should move back.

At the moment people don't seem to take pride in the places they live, if you plan it correctly the ghost of the "rough" inner city estate could be laid to rest and more people will see renting a good quality council flat in one of my new estates as a worthy alternative to buying some poxy studio flat in some toff area for an extortionate price.

Reject Thatcher's embourgeoisment, accept Socialist ideas once in a while.

Namaste
25-04-2004, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Renzokuken
There are alot of derilict building in city centres, however when these are converted they usually turn into luxery flats. Why not turn them into affordable homes.

:yes: instead of building new houses on woodland and fields.

girl with sharp teeth
27-04-2004, 11:28 AM
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wheresmyplacebo
27-04-2004, 12:05 PM
it can, economies of scale and all since theyll be more customers

bit like cd prices, they extort you so instead of buying an alrite album you download it (good albums i buy no matter what) whilst if they made albums more reasonably, fair enough theyll make less per cd, but theyll sell far more cds so it makes up for it
plus they can have the responsibility for know they helped lots of pople (and goodwills boost share markets etc)

Kermit
27-04-2004, 12:26 PM
Unfortunately, Braineater, you can take the man out of the slum but you can't take the slum out of the man.

Around Shipley back-to-back terraces were replaced with council HOUSES, not flats. The back-to-back were slums, and the new estates were very good; within fifteen years, the estates were as bad as the slums were. It has been shown time and time again that people will only really look after what is theirs; in the estate I'm thinking of, the houses that are owned by the council are trashed, and the houses owned under right-to-buy are well maintained. It's the same all over; people in rented accomodation don't look after the houses like those who are in owner-occupied accomodation, because there is little incentive to.

In most places there are enough houses for those who want one desperately enough, certainly around here anyway. It is just that those houses are on estates which nobody in their right mind would want to move onto, because of the people already there.

Although one thing makes me smile. The NHS has sold land for 15,000 new homes to the Government, who is going to build "affordable housing" for teacherss and nurses. Of thoise 15,000 homes, only 15% are going to be "affordable"- the rest are going to be barratt-executive-style-luxury-housing-experience things.

Blagsta
27-04-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Renzokuken
There are alot of derilict building in city centres, however when these are converted they usually turn into luxery flats. Why not turn them into affordable homes.

Whats happening in Lambeth is that the council are selling off the social housing stock and turning them into luxury yuppie flats.

Blagsta
27-04-2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Kermit
It has been shown time and time again that people will only really look after what is theirs;

I think its a tad more complicated than that. Lots of socio-economic factors, people not feeling that they have a stake or say in society, poor education, lack of jobs, drug abuse etc etc etc.

Man Of Kent
28-04-2004, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Kermit
Although one thing makes me smile. The NHS has sold land for 15,000 new homes to the Government, who is going to build "affordable housing" for teacherss and nurses. Of thoise 15,000 homes, only 15% are going to be "affordable"- the rest are going to be barratt-executive-style-luxury-housing-experience things.

Although under the Govt scheme, teachers, nurses and other such workers are offered a "reduced" rate on the cost of these houses. I can get a 10% discount.

Of course, that still means fuck all when the house is valued at £175k and I "only" earn £35k. In fact, when I look around here, I cannot get a three-bed house anywhere in my price range...

As for the housing crisis, I don't know what it is like up morth but it is a real issue in East Kent, thanks in part to the tunnel link. Houses around here now form part of the "commuter belt" because the transport links are getting better - the trip into London will only take about 30 mins soon.

girl with sharp teeth
28-04-2004, 11:58 AM
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xicoperez
29-04-2004, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
since all threads seem to be englis anti english racism stuff im jsut wondering wht you think should be done about the housing crisis

That makes sense. Racism stuff always makes me think of housing crisis... :p

girl with sharp teeth
29-04-2004, 09:33 AM
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