Le Pen to visit Britain. Should he be allowed to enter?

[Aladdin]

At the kind invitation of the BNP, the racist pond scum masquerading as a human being known as Jean-Marie le Pen is to visit Britain. Le Pen is to "tour Manchester and the West Midlands" with his English Nazi chums. Story (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13067622,00.html)

I know I'll have the 'freedom of speech police' jumping on my back for this but I don't think such a "person" should be allowed to enter the country. If nothing else, simply because his very presence is designed and calculated to increase racial tensions and stir trouble.

I for one would be very happy to "greet" him were he to come within 10 miles of me. I’d imagine there will be no shortage of people prepared to make their feelings known about such a sub-human scumbag disgracing this country with his presence. But no matter… Let there be riots and violence so ‘freedom of speech’ is safeguarded.

[dantheman]

Yeah he's a tosser, but we have captain hook here in the country so why stop other scums bags coming in.

[budda]

Hasnt he been arrested a few times on weapons charges, could that not be used to restrict his entry? Probably not given its the EU.

I'm very much of the opinion that so much of the coverage against the BNP is doing them more good than harm. It makes them out to be a political force, when in real terms they dont deserve any coverage on a national scale.

They are a local news item and only that, by treating them as a big threat we are hyping them up.

[Renzo]

I do not think he should be allowed to come because people know what his motives are. If he does visit though there is no reason why normal people can go and protest about his visit where he is.

[Dear Wendy]

Should be allowed to enter, and then allowed to feel the consequences of that :)

I don't expect that a man who called Hitler's concentration camps a fine detail of the war, to walk freely without feeling waves of hatred directed at him.

[Toadborg]

Good chance to show what people in this country really think about people who have views such as his, I welcome the chance this provides to villify this man and his British support.........

[girl with sharp teeth]

Let him visit. You can't allow one set of racist bigots to preach in this country and not let another. Besides which, I think that anybody who listens to the man can see for themselves that its a load of ridiculous nonsense. The best way to destroy people like that is to sit back and let them do it themselves.

[Toadborg]

What other set of racist bigots?

[budda]

Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
Besides which, I think that anybody who listens to the man can see for themselves that its a load of ridiculous nonsense. The best way to destroy people like that is to sit back and let them do it themselves.

I'd aggree with that and thats why I dont like all the coverage the BNP gets because a lot of it makes them out to be a real political party.

[Braineater]

Like bongbudda said, we are hyping the BNP a little too much. They're total vote nationwide in the last general election was 47,129. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows what they really stand for and anyone who doesn't and votes for them based on one policy (Immigration) is IMHO a complete idiot.

Take a look at all their policies and you will see they are nothing more than Blackshirts.

Le Pen coming here wouldn't make that much of a difference. Do the BNP really need this French pillock to fight their battles? They must be desperate.

[wheresmyplacebo]

just a quick fact there are more registered sexoffenders (ca. 100,000) than there are BNP voters over the UK

actually thats really worrying come to think of it :S

we shouldnt give them the hype they're so looking for and just let em get onwith it just to show how truly ignorant andracist they are

[lukesh]

yes he shoudl be allowe to come here. If we allow hooky eyed captain in this country then he is allowed. The only reason the BNP is growing because of people like him!

[Blagsta]

Let the cunt in.

But wasn't Farrakhan banned? Bit hypocritical, no?

[BlackArab]

Let him in, banning him would produce more publicity, which is what they'd love. Bet he doesn't come anywhere near my college though ;)

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
Should be allowed to enter, and then allowed to feel the consequences of that :)

I don't expect that a man who called Hitler's concentration camps a fine detail of the war, to walk freely without feeling waves of hatred directed at him.

Um...that is a picture of a tree in your av I hope :eek2:

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by BlackArab
Um...that is a picture of a tree in your av I hope :eek2:
Excuse me for maybe coming across as stupid, but what else could it be? :confused:

[LabRat]

If he is invited by the government- of course NO! He will have these all cocktail parties, five star hotels, herds of cops protecting him, free this and free that. Why the hell must you pay for him?
But if he is invited by Aladdin why not?
Hey Aladdin! You’d discuss some issues like immigration and stuff. You’d ask him why he doesn’t like it and I’m sure you’d understand his point much clearer. Maybe he is not so bad. Maybe he’s even worse you think he is. But in any case you’d pay for his cocktails, not Lukesh.

[Aladdin]

I'm not sure I follow you about the paying for his cocktails stuff...

But with regard to understanding Le Pen, I think absolutely everybody understands him very well: he is Nazi white supermacist who would like to kick all non-whites and foreigners out of France and support such actions elsewhere in order to achieve White Supremacy in Europe. He's a Holocaust-denying racist cunt and a total waste of space.

Those who support him share his views.

[Luce]

Besides which, I think that anybody who listens to the man can see for themselves that its a load of ridiculous nonsense. But anybody who bothers to listen to Le Pen in the first place probably believes what he says anyway; what he says just backs up their preconceptions.

[*DEVIL*]

I am afraid to say i do not agree with it, like i did not agree with Abu Hamza, i do not agree that such people are allowed to speak out in this country, stirring racial hatred. I think his views are disgusting, like i think Abu's are, but we want equality we are going to get it! You cant enforce it with one and not with another.

But as its been said before everyone in this country is entitled to "FREE SPEECH" bring him on.

However when he has been in the country, I am sure pople would take matters into their own hands. However their may be police protecting him, they did with Abu Hamza.

[Renzo]

Blunkett was on Breakfast with Frost This Morning. He says he would rather Le Pen not be in the country and would not hesitate you use the law against him for stirring racial hatred.

[wheresmyplacebo]

hmm id rather not see him but id rather let these people spurt out their evil and narrow minded views - much like i say to idoits like abu hamza, its best seeing thm where we know they are and can keep an eye on them, and they make a good freakshow too :p

[Namaste]

As long as our taxes aren't paying for him to come in and get better treatment, hotels, food and transport than most of us can ever wish for. It was the same with George Bush... the ****. Couldn't he even see he wasn't welcome?

Let the guy in, enough of our cash is wasted on the royals anyway.

The only reason the BNP is growing because of people like him!

Yup and if anybody protests against them then they can appear on 'Redwatch' and be targets for assult, harassment and whatnot. I think the whole immigration thing, not to mention comics like the Sun may be influencing people?

[lukesh]

you have got the wrong idea mate. People are supporting the BNP because this Labour government is allowing it to grow. It's doing this by letting tom, dick and harry into the country. and of course people like Abu Hamas.


If you keep igorning this like Labour do BNP will gorw with out a doubt.

Blunkett says he is concerned about people voting BNP, he doesn't give a crap or else he would sort the problem out.

[Blagsta]

There are a few reasons why the BNP are growing.
The tabloid media stirring it up and telling blatant lies, growing disparity between the rich and poor and people looking for a convenient scapegoat, the government's handling of resettlement of asylum seekers (classic divide and rule), the inability of the left to get its act together without petty bitching and finally the ignorance, stupidity and greed of people who vote for them.

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
Abu Hamas.


Hamza.

[the sole liber]

Originally posted by Aladdin
At the kind invitation of the BNP, the racist pond scum masquerading as a human being known as Jean-Marie le Pen is to visit Britain. Le Pen is to "tour Manchester and the West Midlands" with his English Nazi chums. Story (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13067622,00.html)

I know I'll have the 'freedom of speech police' jumping on my back for this but I don't think such a "person" should be allowed to enter the country. If nothing else, simply because his very presence is designed and calculated to increase racial tensions and stir trouble.




So you don't believe in freedom of expression/speech.

If not fine, but that means the state can censor things you say.

If freedom of expression is to exist in this country, then you can't omit 'offensive' (which is subjective anyhow) opinions.

[Aladdin]

I believe there is such a thing as a limit to freedom of expression, yes.

The trick is where to draw the line naturally, and of course totalitarian regimes draw it at the wrong place.

But balance can and must be struck between freedom of expression and the prevention of racist/homophobic/xenophobic language.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
There are a few reasons why the BNP are growing.
The tabloid media stirring it up and telling blatant lies, growing disparity between the rich and poor and people looking for a convenient scapegoat, the government's handling of resettlement of asylum seekers (classic divide and rule), the inability of the left to get its act together without petty bitching and finally the ignorance, stupidity and greed of people who vote for them. rubbish.. this sort of comment is one that does not relaise what is happening. Open your eyes... BNP wasn't getting council seats 10 years ago... why are they now?

[Aladdin]

Because the continuous campaign of smear and lies by the tabloid press has started to take hold (on the simple principle that if you throw mud for long enough, it will stick).

The Tory Party becoming more obsessed with immigration by the day doesn't help either.

[Jim V]

bnp wins tower hamlet seat (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/17/newsid_2520000/2520085.stm)

nearly 11 years ago now

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jim V
bnp wins tower hamlet seat (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/17/newsid_2520000/2520085.stm)

nearly 11 years ago now lol... must have immigration problem too.

Just loo though be practical instead of ignoring it.

95% of BNP voters are NOT racist but sick to detah with this immigration crisis and abusers to the asylum system. If this isn't sorted out Like Michael Howard says the BNP will rise and rise to the top... if you keep igoring this BNP will grow wether you like it or not.

Sort the problem out i.ie stop letting tom dick and harry into the country and I will tell you BNP support will plumet and the rest of the supporters are racist idiots who need locking up.

[Jim V]

The problem is that within this debate we have two arguements and that seems to be causing the biggest problem in moving this forward.

On one hand, Luke, you're saying that the BNP support is rising as a response to immigration problems that are real.

On the other hand people are pointing out that in their opinion there is a deliberate campaign to create an immigration problem that doesn't really exsist, hence their anger when papers they see as creating this view are quoted as evidence of the problem.

So I suppose the question that needs answering at this point, if most people on the boards are opposed to the increase of support to the BNP, is whether there is a real problem with immigration or just the pretence of a problem for political gain.

And, Luke, you need to stop writing things like '95% of BNP supporters' - it isn't based on any kind of fact and harms any arguement your trying to make. Just right 'a lot of' or 'in my opinion' next time you want to put in a percentage (enless you have a source to back it up)

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jim V
The problem is that within this debate we have two arguements and that seems to be causing the biggest problem in moving this forward.

On one hand, Luke, you're saying that the BNP support is rising as a response to immigration problems that are real.

On the other hand people are pointing out that in their opinion there is a deliberate campaign to create an immigration problem that doesn't really exsist, hence their anger when papers they see as creating this view are quoted as evidence of the problem.

So I suppose the question that needs answering at this point, if most people on the boards are opposed to the increase of support to the BNP, is whether there is a real problem with immigration or just the pretence of a problem for political gain.

And, Luke, you need to stop writing things like '95% of BNP supporters' - it isn't based on any kind of fact and harms any arguement your trying to make. Just right 'a lot of' or 'in my opinion' next time you want to put in a percentage (enless you have a source to back it up) thanks for the idea. In my opinion i say that 95% of BNP voters wouldn't vote them in if immigration crisis was sorted out.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
rubbish.. this sort of comment is one that does not relaise what is happening. Open your eyes... BNP wasn't getting council seats 10 years ago... why are they now?

Oh fuck off.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Oh fuck off. lol answer it then and you need to wash that horrible mouth out again.

[Blagsta]

http://www.antifa.org.uk

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
http://www.antifa.org.uk and??

[Blagsta]

And...

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
lol answer it then and you need to wash that horrible mouth out again.

Answer what? That BNP weren't getting seats 10 years ago?
Jim V's already corrected you on that.
How about engaging with my points.

Oh no, you can't. :rolleyes: Hence - fuck off.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
And... and what> you havn'tasked a question.

[The Doc]

Stop bickering and start debating.

[Jim V]

re - November 9th society

"The last time I saw one of those uniforms was at a fetish night in Islington"

that made me laugh

edited to say - stop bickering indeed

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
and what> you havn'tasked a question.

No. Neither did you.

I'll repeat what I wrote earlier about the causes of the rise of the BNP etc and you can tell me which bits you think are rubbish shall we?



There are a few reasons why the BNP are growing.
The tabloid media stirring it up and telling blatant lies, growing disparity between the rich and poor and people looking for a convenient scapegoat, the government's handling of resettlement of asylum seekers (classic divide and rule), the inability of the left to get its act together without petty bitching and finally the ignorance, stupidity and greed of people who vote for them.



And did you know that the NF were quite active and big in the late 70's and early 80's and one of the reasons they were beaten was due to them being opposed, idealogically and physically by the left?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Jim V
edited to say - stop bickering indeed

Sorry. :o

But its frustrating when lukesh won't engage with any points, instead mindlessly spouts made up statistics.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
No. Neither did you.

I'll repeat what I wrote earlier about the causes of the rise of the BNP etc and you can tell me which bits you think are rubbish shall we?



There are a few reasons why the BNP are growing.
The tabloid media stirring it up and telling blatant lies, growing disparity between the rich and poor and people looking for a convenient scapegoat, the government's handling of resettlement of asylum seekers (classic divide and rule), the inability of the left to get its act together without petty bitching and finally the ignorance, stupidity and greed of people who vote for them.



And did you know that the NF were quite active and big in the late 70's and early 80's and one of the reasons they were beaten was due to them being opposed, idealogically and physically by the left? BNOP are bigger than ever and you just try and cover that with the NF in the 70's and 80's. Like I have said before BNP will grow to the top if we ignor peoples feelings. Immigration is a shambles why is Blair trying to make us think he is sorting it our again?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Sorry. :o

But its frustrating when lukesh won't engage with any points, instead mindlessly spouts made up statistics. you never answer mine prperly.

and Mods please tell him to stop swearing I find it offensive.. thanks.

[ladymuck]

lukesh, you're right, Blair is shutting the door after the Eastern Bloc horse has bolted right into our living room.

maybe the figures from Migrationwatch are correct, 54k pa. Whatever he says this 'top to bottom' revision of policy should have happened years ago, not days before May !st

What a major concession, no Council housing to new arrivals, as if anyone expected them to get on a housing list (apart from Roma gypsies perhaps, been here been deported, got the UK=mug t-shirt)

No State benefits for a generation more like it

[Blagsta]

Hey, our resident fascist BNP troll is back!

Did you go to the dinner in Wales with Le Pen?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
BNOP are bigger than ever and you just try and cover that with the NF in the 70's and 80's. Like I have said before BNP will grow to the top if we ignor peoples feelings. Immigration is a shambles why is Blair trying to make us think he is sorting it our again?

Please enage with my points.
Or shut up.

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by ladymuck
What a major concession, no Council housing to new arrivals, as if anyone expected them to get on a housing list (apart from Roma gypsies perhaps, been here been deported, got the UK=mug t-shirt)

That was uncalled for, be careful about how specific your comments are - that one was over the line.

[ladymuck]

I was basing it on BBC news reports from Slovakia where interviewees (one was the Gomber family ex- Deptford) were indicating they would do precisely that, ie get to UK knowing that the State would provide, knowing there'd be little or no realistic prospects for work

Why is UK allowing this unlike majority of other EU states implementing 7 yr restrictions on movement as allowed?

[Aladdin]

a) Because all this myth about Britain being flooded with hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans is a load of fucking bollocks

b) Because Britain has always been a caring, open-minded country and welcoming country. Racists and associated scumbags who have a problem with this are kindly advised to fuck off and die.

[ladymuck]

Because Britain has always been a caring, open-minded country and welcoming country

no dogs, no irish, no blacks???

[Aladdin]

Is that a sign that hungs at your local pub perchance?

[Renzo]

Originally posted by ladymuck
no dogs, no irish, no blacks???

what?

[Jim V]

Originally posted by Aladdin

b) Because Britain has always been a caring, open-minded country and welcoming country. Racists and associated scumbags who have a problem with this are kindly advised to fuck off and die.

that's sarcasm?, because I got a few stories about the black and tans and the treatment of the jews that would question that just for starters.

[Jim V]

I think you need to clarify your post Ladymuck, I read it as highlighting that England is not at all welcoming at times as opposed to a person opinion?

[mixinmusic]

This debate is off the topic and is becoming slanderous as other debates on this fourm have become.

Le Pen should be allowed to enter the UK because he has not broken the law (and what laws he has been accused of and broken he has served time for his actions) He is also not accused of breaking the law. He is an EU citizen and because you do not agree with his politics does not give you the right to take away his rights as a citizen. Its always the same old story for liberals; human rights for everyone and freedoms except of course for those opposed politically to liberal thinking. If Le Pen comes to this country and breaks a law as the muslim cleric in London did he will without a doubt be tried for his actions, serve the penality and be sent home.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
no dogs, no irish, no blacks???

You are right, we weren't always as accomodating as we are now.

Thank god for that.

I suspect though that you would like the approach highlighted above to continue. I'm not sure why, other than because you are scared that the UK may be flooded with immigrants seeks an "easy life".

Now I'm not sure why you might think that, other than because you seem to take a racist approach and because of the media sources you use, but there is little hard evidence that this will actually happen.

Fear is a dangerous thing, it leads to hatred (damn, the Star Wars analogy again), but it's usually based on ignorance. I'd say that this more than applied to many of the comments you make.

Tell me, have you aleays been racist or is it based on something in your past?

[Jim V]

Well the whole debate here is about whether people should have that automatic freedom to enter the country. The discussion of the BNP relates to the same issue of freedom and is on topic, well more than most of the threads.

Oh and he has already arrived, so if the thread is to continue the focus will need to change

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by Jim V
that's sarcasm?, because I got a few stories about the black and tans and the treatment of the jews that would question that just for starters. I'm not suggesting that Britain has been free of racism. There's still plenty today. I was pointing out that Britain has also a history of welcoming people of other cultures and races, unlike some other countries.

That is something to be proud of, not to resent as some people appear to do.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
I'm not suggesting that Britain has been free of racism. There's still plenty today. I was pointing out that Britain has also a history of welcoming people of other cultures and races, unlike some other countries.

That is something to be proud of, not to resent as some people appear to do. exactly, land of hope and glory...


the thing is who we are a laughing stock of the world when it comes to immigration.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
the thing is who we are a laughing stock of the world when it comes to immigration.

Errrrr...where did you get that info from? :confused:

Did you know that only 8% of our workforce are foreign born? Did you know we also have lower levels of foreign born nationals as a proportion of our population than either France or Germany?

Source: Editorial in today's Independent.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Errrrr...where did you get that info from? :confused:

Did you know that only 8% of our workforce are foreign born? Did you know we also have lower levels of foreign born nationals as a proportion of our population than either France or Germany?

Source: Editorial in today's Independent. and???

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
and???

Oh for fucks sake. You know.

[Aladdin]

FACT: We're not first, not second, not third but eighth in the 'who takes the biggest proportion of immigrants' league.

In fact we take peanuts compared with other countries.

[ladymuck]

I think you need to clarify your post Ladymuck, I read it as highlighting that England is not at all welcoming at times as opposed to a person opinion?

I thought it was an obvious rebuttal of Aladdin's grandiose assertion that UK has historically thrown open its doors to immigrants

As for the tabloid press influencing public opinion, that's doubtful, the Daily Mail has, I recall from a TV discussion a surprising number of Labour voters.

No reason on earth why UK has had the highest asylum nos in Europe other than they know where the going's good

Do some of you not follow politics, have you forgotten the Moxon/Beverly Hughes debacle or would you rather trot out slogans? The Public may well have taken it all on board and lost faith in Blair's ability to control UK's borders.

It matters a lot who lives here

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
No reason on earth why UK has had the highest asylum nos in Europe other than they know where the going's good

Errrrr...it hasn't. :rolleyes:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
It matters a lot who lives here

Yeah and I wish people like you would fuck off. :mad:

[ladymuck]

Blagsta

Yeah and I wish people like you would fuck off

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Blagsta]

Is that the sound of you and your fascist friends buzzing off?

Good.

BTW, you know full well that we don't have the highest immigration, so why do you peddle such lies?

[ladymuck]

UNHCR report on asylum into UK (http://www.unhcr.org.uk/info/briefings/statistics/)

Blagsta

BTW, you know full well that we don't have the highest immigration, so why do you peddle such lies?

Didn't say immigration

Like shooting fish in a barrel:lol: :lol: :lol:

[wheresmyplacebo]

it aint that bad, this country is historically known as a place to accept political refugees and economic migrants, almost european equivilient of american dream but as it says, its a dream and doesnt necesserily come true
it the classic"the grass is always greener on other side" idea


and asi keep saying its shown they come here because we have a healthier job market and less benefits than france or germany which is why hey dont stop there because theres less chance of the GETTING A JOB THERE and so they must want to work here

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
UNHCR report on asylum into UK (http://www.unhcr.org.uk/info/briefings/statistics/)

Blagsta



Didn't say immigration

Like shooting fish in a barrel:lol: :lol: :lol:


Errrrr...we rank 8th in 2002 according to that link.

Shooting yourself in the foot more like. :rolleyes:

Not very intelligent you fascists are you? :D

[ladymuck]

Although at present the UK receives more asylum applications than other Western European countries in terms of absolute numbers,

So, Blagsta, what did you not understand in that statement?

Oh, you're focussing on the spin put on the truth by the UNHCR where R is for Refugee, they sadly can't just collect and present stats as they are partial

Does the average asylum-seeker think about the population-size/land-mass.... of his chosen destination? No of course not, it's where the going's good, the UK.

[Man Of Kent]

Do you understand what the expression "application" means...?

[LadyJade]

Although at present the UK receives more asylum applications than other Western European countries in terms of absolute numbers, in terms of asylum applications per head of population the UK ranked only 8th in 2002* and 12th over the last decade as a whole (1992 - 2001). [*Excluding Italy as data is not yet available.]

Asylum figures must also be looked at in the context of the wider global and long-term picture. In the 1990s Germany received the highest number of applications within the European Union. Just under two million applied for asylum in Germany between 1990-2000 - in comparison the UK had only 25% of Germany's total (454,445).


Just to put it all in context. Can you two possibly stop bitching at each other and not get personal? You are really beginning to get on my nerves.

[ladymuck]

Man Of Kent
Do you understand what the expression "application" means...?

Yes, someone has physically brought themselves across the rest of democratic Europe , the channel/N. Sea to apply for asylum and given the shambles of UK's asylum system, stands a very good chance of remaining

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Yes, someone has physically brought themselves across the rest of democratic Europe , the channel/N. Sea to apply for asylum and given the shambles of UK's asylum system, stands a very good chance of remaining

Interesting definition, especially the part where you say "very good chance" because let's face it, that is an opinion.

An application means that someone is asking to be allowed to reside in the UK. It does not mean that they will be allowed to live here indefinately.

So, just because the UK recieved a high number of applications does not mean that the UK passed the highest level and I would be interested if you could prove that either way - although I suspect that you would only offer stats in your favour rather than admit that you predjuduce was based on racist tendances.

Inspite of all this talk about highest numbers though, what is wrong with applications - particularly from people seeking work in the UK who may take up jobs which no-one in the UK seems to want (i.e. nursing shortage...)

[ladymuck]

You don't address why UK should be so-targetted.

Hard for me to pronounce definitively as HMgov is playing games with asylum/ immigration hence the Moxon/Beverly Hughes debacle, would-be asylum/post May1st immigrants rushed in on a lax visa basis.

Ring a bell?

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
You don't address why UK should be so-targetted.

Why should I? I don't consider it a problem.

Hard for me to pronounce definitively as HMgov is playing games with asylum/ immigration hence the Moxon/Beverly Hughes debacle, would-be asylum/post May1st immigrants rushed in on a lax visa basis.

Ring a bell?

Yep, and what proportion of applications were "dodgy"? 1%, 25%, 100%?

[LadyJade]

Sorry about the large chunk of information...
From - http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?pageid=15
Support is provided to asylum seekers who are destitute whilst their
claims for asylum are being considered. Accommodation is provided on a
"no choice" basis in parts of the UK where there is less pressure on
accommodation than in London and other parts of the South East. Asylum
seekers are given subsistence payments in order that they may purchase
food and other goods. This 'dispersal' of asylum seekers and their
support is provided by the National Asylum Support Service (NASS).

From - http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=91

How is the level of subsistence payment calculated?

Asylum seekers who would otherwise be destitute are provided with
support that meets their essential living needs. As a general rule
weekly levels of subsistence payment, based on 70% of income support for
adults and 100% of the levels for children, are:

Person aged 25 or over £37.77

Person aged 18-24 £29.89

Couple £59.26

Lone parent £37.77

Child 16-17 £32.50

Child under 16 £33.50

http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=3659 includes
figures for asylum application in the last year or two.

From http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=91 (again)

What proportion of UK asylum applications are successful?

The percentage varies widely from month to month depending on the mix of
people whose applications are being decided at any given time, and what
is going on in the countries they come from. Each claim is decided
individually on it's own merits - there is no “target”. A record
118,195 initial decisions were made in 2001, an increase of 8% compared
with 2000. 9% of these decisions grants of asylum, 17% grants of ELR and
74% refusals.

In 2001, of the 43,415 appeals determined, 19% were allowed, 2 withdrawn
and 79% of the appeals were dismissed.

Current information can be found in the monthly asylum statistics
published on the 25th of each month on the Home Office Research
Development Statistics (RDS) website.
(http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/immigration1.html)

Thanks to Jim for finding the above info. I posted it because there seems to be claims and counter-claims regarding how 'cushy' life is for asylum seekers in the UK, but no actual figures. So there they are.

[Aladdin]

Absolute numbers mean fuck all in practical terms and you know it. It's just something racists and xenophobes cling to in an attempt to support their views.

Tell me, what's going to have a bigger impact on a nation's infrastructure and economy: 100,000 immigrants in a country of 60 million or 20,000 immigrants in a country of half a million?

Get your calculator out.

[ladymuck]

Aladdin
Absolute numbers mean fuck all in practical terms and you know it. It's just something racists and xenophobes cling to in an attempt to support their views.

Don't be absurd, if that were so we could scrap much of the Civil Service as we wouldn't need to measure absolute numbers of pensioners, unemployed, disabled.

As I said earlier it is significant that democratic Europe is by-passed for UK in absolute asylum-number terms

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by ladymuck
As I said earlier it is significant that democratic Europe is by-passed for UK in absolute asylum-number terms

No it isn't. IMHO.

Why do you think it is significant?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
So, Blagsta, what did you not understand in that statement?


Jesus, not very bright are you? :D

What don't you understand about the rest of the statememt, eh?

Here it is in full, fact fans

Statistics
This section contains information on both UK asylum statistics and global refugee statistics.

Recently Published! Refugees by Numbers 2003 - UNHCR's latest Global Statistics.

UK

Although at present the UK receives more asylum applications than other Western European countries in terms of absolute numbers, in terms of asylum applications per head of population the UK ranked only 8th in 2002* and 12th over the last decade as a whole (1992 - 2001). [*Excluding Italy as data is not yet available.]

Asylum figures must also be looked at in the context of the wider global and long-term picture. In the 1990s Germany received the highest number of applications within the European Union. Just under two million applied for asylum in Germany between 1990-2000 - in comparison the UK had only 25% of Germany's total (454,445).

(italics mine)

Typical of the BNP not to let facts get in the way of a good racist strop.

Poor effort ladyfuck. Not doing a good job of promoting the BNP here. You're making out yourselves to be quite quite stupid.
Your political masters will be dissapointed in you. :D :D

BTW is it true that Nick Griffin is gay?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by ladymuck
Aladdin


Don't be absurd, if that were so we could scrap much of the Civil Service as we wouldn't need to measure absolute numbers of pensioners, unemployed, disabled.

What on earth are you on about now? :confused:

Originally posted by ladymuck
As I said earlier it is significant that democratic Europe is by-passed for UK in absolute asylum-number terms

No, we have more applications. And so what? Shouldn't you be proud of living in a country that other people want to come to?

[LadyJade]

Oh ffs. This is so tedious. You are like a bunch of monkeys.