What makes English/British Not again!

[Iknowyourmum]

Yes again,
I read the other thread and was thinking of the defination of what makes someone english/British as it cant be tied to race.

My alternative definition is that someone has to have appreciation for the sacrifices of previous generations.

Regardless of someone’s race its more than just disrespectful or ignorant to have no value for the rights in this country that have been won and fought for in the past.

The same people who might sneer at armistice day, would gain from the social security system, that previous generations fought and paid for, the justice that means you have to have a trial before being locked up.

Don’t want to sound like too much of an old foggie but I think these values should be universal regardless of race, a much better definition than liking fish and chips etc.

[byny]

I always thought if you were born in a country then that defined your nationality - deep down.

However, then you have rules where you can gain citizenship after a number of years. So there we are.

I', British and I'm Welsh though I was born near Birmingham I have lived in wales since I was seven so I am Welsh. The language thing helps.

[Iknowyourmum]

Nationality is more than where you were born,
"being born in a stable does not make one a horse"
Wellington.

What about the old British raj, the people who were born there but came back to the UK after independence arnt Indian are they.

[lukesh]

not these sort of threads again.

[Iknowyourmum]

yes Again

Again I say,,

Ha Ha Ha Ha


but seriously I read some of them and had my idea of what makes english/british would like some comments on that so what do you think

[lukesh]

what is the meaning of it?

[Iknowyourmum]

Read my introduction let me know..

Sorry got to go now to the gym...

[the sole liber]

I'm British. England, Scotland, Wales and NI aren't nation-states anyhow, so British is the acceptable and standard term.

[xicoperez]

I'm British because I was born in Hammersmith and registered as a British Citizen.

I'm Spanish because my father is a Spanish national (he wasn't before though) and that gives me the right to claim Spanish nationality.

I can have both at the same time. I like Fish and Chips and Spanish Omelettes... don't know how to spell that... Tortilla Española.

And when I'm asked if I'm English I always answer I'm British. I look forward to the day I can say I'm European and show the pretty blue Passport. :yes:

[Jaloux]

Originally posted by byny
I always thought if you were born in a country then that defined your nationality - deep down.

I was born in Sweden... only lived there for 29 days. Don't feel Swedish at all. ;)

I'll probably always refer to myself as an Icelandic. Not because I love my country so much or anything like that, and I certainly wouldn't say that I'm more or less Icelandic than anybody else. It's just where I come from/grew up and that's it.

[Toadborg]

I do not think there are any values that are shared universally. by any group of people as large as a nation, in any situation.

I think an appreciation of the history of a place, a snese of why institutions etc are the way they are is important.........

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by xicoperez
I look forward to the day I can say I'm European and show the pretty blue Passport. :yes: Hear hear!

[Jim V]

Not to throw a spanner in the works here but aren't you really asking what makes a good citizen - now don't take this example as saying that people who immigrate to a country are not British after gaining nationality, it's just an example and the immigration issue is seperate.

A guy is born in Somerset, he never leaves the country in his life and respects his family and his upbringing. His father was a member of Oswald Mosley's British Fascist Party. As he grows up he becomes more and more fascinated with the nazi party and the fact that they should have won the second world war. As a 40 year old he plants a bomb in his village on Rememberance sunday. As he is arrested and sent to the prison all the time shouting that he did it to bring down the government. His actions are condemed across the world, including by a Germany that is at a loss to understand his twisted perspective.

Such a man would be a traitor and a terrorist, an appaling citizen, but he would always have been an appaling British man wouldn't he? His lack of respect would never change his nationality.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Hear hear! what a suprise?

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by lukesh
what a suprise?

What an completely irrelevant and redundant comment.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by LadyJade
What an completely irrelevant and redundant comment. some of theres are too!!

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by LadyJade
What an completely irrelevant and redundant comment.

Please, someone has to like Lukesh... :yes:








Anyone? :eek2:








Well I like you Lukesh. I find you... amusing. :rolleyes:

[lukesh]

humm amusing.... :rolleyes:

lol


If no one likes me... so what? I like my self. :)

[LadyJade]

I never said I didn't like him. I just don't see that comments like that have any purpose other than to antagonise.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by LadyJade
I never said I didn't like him. I just don't see that comments like that have any purpose other than to antagonise. what about them then? there can't be a rule just for me.

[Aladdin]

You keep missing the point don't you?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
You keep missing the point don't you? the point is that I';m a right wing bnp support and your aliberal hwo is always right.

[Aladdin]

Yeah whatever.

[lukesh]

can we stop calling each other names and debate properly and stop refering to papers

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by lukesh
stop refering to papers

:banghead:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by xicoperez
:banghead: as in stop complaining if someone reads the sun

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by lukesh
as in stop complaining if someone reads the sun

It really isn't a source of credit, to be known to read that newspaper.
If discussing serious matters, you're expected to refer to serious sources.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
It really isn't a source of credit, to be known to read that newspaper.
If discussing serious matters, you're expected to refer to serious sources. i DOOOOO read others too you know.
how many times do I have to repeat that? lol

[Aladdin]

Do you? You only seem to quote from the rag.

In fact, some of your posts could have almost been forgiven for cut and paste jobs from 'The S*n Says' editorial column.

Every single scaremongering story, every single rumour you repeat here comes from the rag.

And for as long as you continue maintaining that the rag is a perfectly good and reliable source of news, the rest of the world will continue to correct you. Because not even the most loyal S*n reader would have trouble admitting that the paper is good for showing tits, talking about football and giving light entertainment relief while having your fry up in the morning- but certainly not for current affairs.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Do you? You only seem to quote from the rag.

In fact, some of your posts could have almost been forgiven for cut and paste jobs from 'The S*n Says' editorial column.

Every single scaremongering story, every single rumour you repeat here comes from the rag.

And for as long as you continue maintaining that the rag is a perfectly good and reliable source of news, the rest of the world will continue to correct you. Because not even the most loyal S*n reader would have trouble admitting that the paper is good for showing tits, talking about football and giving light entertainment relief while having your fry up in the morning- but certainly not for current affairs. So?? every popint you make is from that Guardian. what has that said about st georges day?

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by lukesh
So?? every popint you make is from that Guardian. what has that said about st georges day? You're comparing The Sun, to The Guardian :eek2:

As much as I dislike The Guardian for being utterly and completely one-sided, that was seriously a stupid (in the true sense of the word) thing to say.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
You're comparing The Sun, to The Guardian :eek2:

As much as I dislike The Guardian for being utterly and completely one-sided, that was seriously a stupid (in the true sense of the word) thing to say. i don't think it was. I love the Sun... loves it's country and people unlike the guardian who publishs anti american crap.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by lukesh
i don't think it was. I love the Sun... loves it's country and people unlike the guardian who publishs anti american crap.

but the George W. Bush cartoons are so amusing :(

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Renzokuken
but the George W. Bush cartoons are so amusing :( the suns?

[Aladdin]

Lukesh, I don't believe I have quoted or posted a link to the Guardian once since you've started posting.

You've got this visceral hatred of the Guardian (something which I'm positive you've acquired from your parents or other relatives/friends) and keep talking about it even though I haven't even admitted reading it once. As it happens I do read the online version most days, just as I check other papers.

But I get a majority of stories from the BBC. Oh wait, that's also liberal and anti-British and anti-American, correct?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Lukesh, I don't believe I have quoted or posted a link to the Guardian once since you've started posting.

You've got this visceral hatred of the Guardian (something which I'm positive you've acquired from your parents or other relatives/friends) and keep talking about it even though I haven't even admitted reading it once. As it happens I do read the online version most days, just as I check other papers.

But I get a majority of stories from the BBC. Oh wait, that's also liberal and anti-British and anti-American, correct? can be.


What are the papers you read then?


I like to read the sun, the daily star, the express (Quality!), mail is okish, telegraph, times and independant at school.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by lukesh
the suns?

The Guardians.

And in relation to Aladdin's comment, i have picked up my choice of paper on my own. My mum at least is a 'Times' reader

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by lukesh
i don't think it was. I love the Sun... loves it's country and people unlike the guardian who publishs anti american crap.

The Sun loves hooliganism, ugly English behaviour and making money of Beckhams current affair. And America is as far as I understood not your country.

I do understand if you don't wanna read a paper because of their political stance, but at least read a proper one.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by lukesh
can be.


What are the papers you read then?


I like to read the sun, the daily star, the express (Quality!), mail is okish, telegraph, times and independant at school.

I honestly, don't believe you read those on a regular basis.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Renzokuken
The Guardians.

And in relation to Aladdin's comment, i have picked up my choice of paper on my own. My mum at least is a 'Times' reader my parents are sun reads too. :)

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
The Sun loves hooliganism, ugly English behaviour and making money of Beckhams current affair. And America is as far as I understood not your country.

I do understand if you don't wanna read a paper because of their political stance, but at least read a proper one. lol. you try telling the 9 million sun readers that! We read what we want. the sun is the best seeling paper in the Uk and the 5th best selling english daily.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
I honestly, don't believe you read those on a regular basis. no but at least once a week.

[Blagsta]

http://www.asciipr0n.com/4096/cuckoo.gif

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by lukesh
lol. you try telling the 9 million sun readers that! We read what we want. the sun is the best seeling paper in the Uk and the 5th best selling english daily.

Obviously you have 9 million idiots in Britain then. And I don't have a problem saying that.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by lukesh
lol. you try telling the 9 million sun readers that! We read what we want. the sun is the best seeling paper in the Uk and the 5th best selling english daily. Of course you read what you want. Another matter is how many of those readers take the editorial line of the rag, which is dictated by a tax-dodging foreigner, as gossip.

I know several S*n readers and they read it because it entertains them. But they're all happy to admit the paper is extremely right wing and biased, and certainly couldn't care less what 'The S*n Says'.

As for your other question, when I buy papers, which is not often because I commute by bike, is usually the Guardian / Observer. But I check the S*n every day (know your enemy ;) ), the Telegraph and the Independent online as well. And I've been known to buy the Sunday Times, because politics apart it's the best Sunday paper.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by Blagsta
http://www.asciipr0n.com/4096/cuckoo.gif

:lol: :lol: :D

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by lukesh
my parents are sun reads too. :)

:chin: Now we know who is to blame...

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
And I don't have a problem saying that.

I noticed that a long time ago... :nervous:

Originally posted by Aladdin
I check the S*n every day

Yeah, The Sun, sure (http://www.page3.com/)

[Jim V]

Well these were the best figures I could find

circulation (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Newspaper%20circulation)

still shows 3.5 million readers for the Sun which hardly hurts your case Lukesh, so please stop feeling the need to make up numbers.

People are asked to find references to the stories they post because the issues people talk about here are important and people would like to debate them. We could all win debates if we could just make up numbers.

Everyone else, the benefit of the debate forum is the chance to alter someones perspective, regardless of where you sit politically. If you feel strongly about something try to convince others of your view rather than insult them... which is a roundabout way of saying enough with f***ing cuckoo clock.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
Obviously you have 9 million idiots in Britain then. And I don't have a problem saying that. "you" do I own 9 million idiots. hey check out little johns statement about you liberals in the sun today. hes correct Brits have had enough of liberalism.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by xicoperez
:chin: Now we know who is to blame...



I noticed that a long time ago... :nervous:



Yeah, The Sun, sure (http://www.page3.com/) yeah page 3, a bit of dun from the sun. not like the guardian...

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by lukesh
"you" do I own 9 million idiots. hey check out little johns statement about you liberals in the sun today. hes correct Brits have had enough of liberalism.

You, was said in the sense that I am not British.

Secondly, yes I am a liberal, but not of the kind found left on the political scale.

Either way, if I was that Little John/ Robin Hood/whatever person, I'd first and foremost complain about the hooligans in England, and readers like you, who take The Sun seriously.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
You, was said in the sense that I am not British.

Secondly, yes I am a liberal, but not of the kind found left on the political scale.

Either way, if I was that Little John/ Robin Hood/whatever person, I'd first and foremost complain about the hooligans in England, and readers like you, who take The Sun seriously. lmao god Little John is brilliant, am I a little englander too? lmao

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Jim V
which is a roundabout way of saying enough with f***ing cuckoo clock.

:lol: :lol: oh that did make me chuckle.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by lukesh
lmao god Little John is brilliant, am I a little englander too? lmao

Why does he work for the Sun then?

Seriously, a journalist with respect for himself would if succesfull not get his pieces published in papers who's agenda is to reveal affairs and the sexual lives of whoever had a hitsingle yesterday.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
Why does he work for the Sun then?

Seriously, a journalist with respect for himself would if succesfull not get his pieces published in papers who's agenda is to reveal affairs and the sexual lives of whoever had a hitsingle yesterday. well yeah he works for Sky too. he writes a page in the sun every few days. Giving his view on the current affairs hes brilliant, you should read him!

[Aladdin]

Littlejohn is the laughing stock of journalism. An extremely bitter Mr. Nobody who constantly rants about Albanian asylum seekers and Tony Blair's wife. And by the looks of it possibly a closet homosexual who indulges in constant gay bashing in order to inhibit his own desires.

His first and only novel was universally ridiculed and sold about 3 copies. It had all the literary merits of a Yellow Pages book.

Ever Peter Hitchens commands more respect than Littledick! :lol:

[Namaste]

I think of myself as European, despite being born in Peterborough (and having been in Wales 20 years). I have cockney blood and a few generations back French... not to mention my german & Latvian blood.

As for the Sun... being a written documentation of an event it will be biased and not gospel in any way shape of form. The way in which they were going to portray Frank Bruno for example was disgusting and their commentation on the war was pathetic.

People occasionally leave the Sun in my work place and I read the problem pages and then look at the page 3 girl with the big knockers. I personally prefer more challenging reads though... like the Beano.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Jim V
which is a roundabout way of saying enough with f***ing cuckoo clock.

But its funny...

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Littlejohn is the laughing stock of journalism. An extremely bitter Mr. Nobody who constantly rants about Albanian asylum seekers and Tony Blair's wife. And by the looks of it possibly a closet homosexual who indulges in constant gay bashing in order to inhibit his own desires.

His first and only novel was universally ridiculed and sold about 3 copies. It had all the literary merits of a Yellow Pages book.

Ever Peter Hitchens commands more respect than Littledick! :lol: just the comment I expected!! hahaha

[lukesh]

Originally posted by MoonRat
and their commentation on the war was pathetic.

what? or is that they supported the war so it was pathetic?

[*DEVIL*]

Beckhams affair has been in every paper at the moment, but this is about british/english not papers!

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by lukesh
just the comment I expected!! hahaha I'm sure you would, being the truth and that...

Now why don't you go and ask your parents for help in explaining why Littledick is nothing of the above but actually a good journalist, if that's what you believe?

Good luck!