Vote Yes!

[lukesh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/yourlondon/stgeorges/stgeorge_vote.shtml?displayresults=1&configfile=newsvotecontrol.xml#vote

Come on, even if your not in London, get that ken Livingston to get an English parade going.

What really hurts me is that nearly 12% have voted No to a parade I wonder who they are...

[The Doc]

I'm rather indifferent. As someone on the comments page said, lots of people just aren't interested.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by the doc horatio
I'm rather indifferent. As someone on the comments page said, lots of people just aren't interested. why would i give a toss about some carnival in some far away town?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by the doc horatio
I'm rather indifferent. As someone on the comments page said, lots of people just aren't interested. how racist is that!!! It's England and we can't have a festival because it will affend. Rediculous!

all english people are interested...

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
how racist is that!!! It's England and we can't have a festival because it will affend. Rediculous!

all english people are interested...

I'm not interested in a St. George's day festival in the same way I don't care about Notting Hill or Chinese New Year.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by the doc horatio
I'm not interested in a St. George's day festival in the same way I don't care about Notting Hill or Chinese New Year. fair enough, you voted No then?

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by lukesh
how racist is that!!! It's England and we can't have a festival because it will affend. Rediculous!

all english people are interested... whhaaa?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
whhaaa? read it, it's clearly in english.

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
fair enough, you voted No then?

I didn't vote. As I said, I'm not interested, therefore whether it goes ahead or not does not bother/affect me.

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by lukesh
how racist is that!!! It's England and we can't have a festival because it will affend. Rediculous!

all english people are interested...

Lukesh, how the hell can you consider that racist? he said he's indifferent, meaning doesn't care one way or another. Did he mention anywhere that we cannot have a festival or it offending anybody?

Maybe you need to take your own advice and read it because it seems very clear to me. You say everyones picking on you then you come out with stuff like this, if you really want to learn and make friends with people on here, this is the wrong way to do it.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by BlackArab
Lukesh, how the hell can you consider that racist? he said he's indifferent, meaning doesn't care one way or another. Did he mention anywhere that we cannot have a festival or it offending anybody?

Maybe you need to take your own advice and read it because it seems very clear to me. You say everyones picking on you then you come out with stuff like this, if you really want to learn and make friends with people on here, this is the wrong way to do it. Affended then.

[BlackArab]

:confused: Explain.

[Blagsta]

I don't give a fuck either way.

[lukesh]

you lot wouldn't give a toass anyway your either not Enlgish or liberal.

I have never had a festival to celebrate this great country. Why? because it will affend ethnic minorites. If thats the case their festivals affend me. They can have what they want but when it comes ot the english to celebrate their own things on their own land it's racist.

This is what causes racism. If you don't think it does then your clearly got a mixed up head.

[Blagsta]

I'm not English? :confused: Well my mum's from Belfast, but I was born and brought up in London.
But you're right, I'm not a Liberal.
I don't give a toss because I'm not a Christian. Why should I celebrate a Christian saint?
No one is stopping you celebrate it if you want to.
But you do have to place this in a historical context to gain some understanding. In the 1970's and early 80's, St Georges Day and the St Georges Cross and Union Jack were hijacked as symbols for the far right, the likes of the NF and the British Movement. For years, these symbols had connotations with racist violence, so most people tried to dissociate themselves from them.
Sad, but true.

[Whowhere]

He isn't just a Christian saint, he is a patron saint, a symbol of this country.

That said I couldn't give 2 fucks about what happens in London.
It's always "london this, and london that", there are other cities in this country.

[Blagsta]

He is a saint, Christian by very definition. I'm not a Christian so why should I give a fuck?

[hybrid]

Originally posted by lukesh
you lot wouldn't give a toass anyway your either not Enlgish or liberal.

I have never had a festival to celebrate this great country. Why? because it will affend ethnic minorites. If thats the case their festivals affend me. They can have what they want but when it comes ot the english to celebrate their own things on their own land it's racist.

This is what causes racism. If you don't think it does then your clearly got a mixed up head.

I only voted yes because:
*I live in London
*I need an excuse to par-tay
*We should celebrate the English Patron and if not then we shouldn't celebrate the Irish one

However I disagree with your views on:
*doc being racist because he's 'indifferent'
*offending ethnic minorities-most people just arent interested in celebrating StGeorge because its never been a 'proper' tradition, not because they don't want to offend ethnics

must ask, do you vote BNP? or will you rather?

[hybrid]

this person however, makes a good point

Sylvia Corona, London
Don't be shy, please...of course we should celebrate St George's Day! As an immigrant myself, I am already in love with this country and I'd like to learn more about its traditions. I am also a "new citizen" but how can I learn about my new country if the only people talking about it are from the BNP? Come on, England, there is a lot of things to be proud of without being racist!!!

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[Namaste]

Originally posted by lukesh
you lot wouldn't give a toass anyway your either not Enlgish or liberal.

I have never had a festival to celebrate this great country. Why? because it will affend ethnic minorites. If thats the case their festivals affend me. They can have what they want but when it comes ot the english to celebrate their own things on their own land it's racist.

This is what causes racism. If you don't think it does then your clearly got a mixed up head.

How do you know that it'll offend ethnic minorities? And why should other people be offended if a certain festival is held somewhere... I mean nobody's saying that ethnic minorities will be banned from the grounds of the festival. :confused:

He isn't just a Christian saint, he is a patron saint, a symbol of this country.

Not even a true Brit either... nor did he slay a dragon. :p

I live in Wales and don't give a fuck either way to be honest. I'm not a Christian and although my family are English, I consider myself Welsh.

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by lukesh
you lot wouldn't give a toass anyway your either not Enlgish or liberal.

I have never had a festival to celebrate this great country. Why? because it will affend ethnic minorites. If thats the case their festivals affend me. They can have what they want but when it comes ot the english to celebrate their own things on their own land it's racist.

This is what causes racism. If you don't think it does then your clearly got a mixed up head.

Absolute rubbish. I went to a school which was 90% ethnic minorities we celebrated St Georges Day every year and the Queens Jubilee in 1977, was there any protest from children or parents? None whatsoever. In fact for the Jubilee concert I remember proud faces of parents taking photos of their children.

A pub in Bristol celebrated the last Jubilee with all day events, Union Jack and St Georges Cross bunting all over it. The pub is probably 95% Black. Any protests? None.

A couple of years ago Birmingham City Council had celebrations for St George including all its communities. Any protests? Yes I remember seeing a post on another forum from right winger complaining that one of the children taking part was
Asian. :rolleyes:

[lukesh]

London celebrates every other festival much 99% are nothing todo with Enlgihs culture and whne it comes to us having a festival that racist Livingston win't give to Londeners.

You should vote yes regardless if your in London or not. IfLondon starts to have this festival then the rest of the country will.

We need to bring back Enlgishness to England. Sounds crazy i know.

[The Doc]

Originally posted by lukesh
London celebrates every other festival much 99% are nothing todo with Enlgihs culture and whne it comes to us having a festival that racist Livingston win't give to Londeners.

You should vote yes regardless if your in London or not. IfLondon starts to have this festival then the rest of the country will.

We need to bring back Enlgishness to England. Sounds crazy i know.

Ken Livingstone is white.

And the vote isn't an official one, nor will anyone take any notice of it. It is just an opinion poll.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by the doc horatio
Ken Livingstone is white.

And the vote isn't an official one, nor will anyone take any notice of it. It is just an opinion poll. lol exact comments i looked from you guys.


Is he white god I thought he was silver. thanks for that

[Renzo]

I'm Welsh so I don't care to be honest :p

[Madgal99]

Just to point out that London doesn't hold a St Andrew's or a St David's Day celebration either.

I agree with this...

how racist is that!!! It's England and we can't have a festival because it will affend. Rediculous! all english people are interested...

I think you might find, all english people aren't interested, some of them maybe but definitely not all of them. Personally, I really don't see the point in it, why do you have to have a special day to celebrate just to remember you're english??? Might cause offence but I wouldn't be proud anyway

[dantheman]

To celebrate St George's day doesn't have to be anything to do with Christianity. The millions that party on St Patrick's aren't necessary Catholics. Celebrating Englishness isn't about cherishing the white race or sticking two fingers up at foreigners as the 20th century has seen immigrants of ethnic minorities, particularly those from the 50's and their children becoming English/British.
Of course, many recent immigrants might not see themselves as English or British, but for instance, a black child whose grandfather came over from the Caribbean after WWII is as much a part of this country many a white person, who roots probably travel to other countries eventually anyway.
Waving the cross of St George can be taken in the wrong way due to P.C crap and association with the NF.
I believe we could have a St George's celebration that could involve all of the country’s races and backgrounds.

[dantheman]

Originally posted by Madgal99
I agree with this...



I think you might find, all english people aren't interested, some of them maybe but definitely not all of them. Personally, I really don't see the point in it, why do you have to have a special day to celebrate just to remember you're english??? Might cause offence but I wouldn't be proud anyway

Sure you may not feel the need to celebration, but why not be proud?

[Aladdin]

I'd suggest that before you continue accusing everyone of being "racist" (Ken Livingstone)? you back up your allegations Lukesh.

The more of your posts I read, the more are my suspicions vindicated.

[Lemur]

i think its just the weight of the word 'parade' which puts people off. 'Celebration' would be better.

Anyway, i couldnt care less, and no im not a liberal

[Madgal99]

Sure you may not feel the need to celebration, but why not be proud?

Firstly I'm not English and secondly, even if I was, I wouldn't be proud

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
We need to bring back Enlgishness to England. Sounds crazy i know.

What is Englishness?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by dantheman
Waving the cross of St George can be taken in the wrong way due to P.C crap and association with the NF.

Nothing to do with PC, everything to do with the historical connotations with the far right.
Although rightly, this is changing.

Originally posted by dantheman
I believe we could have a St George's celebration that could involve all of the country’s races and backgrounds.

I agree with this. But I still don't give a shit about St Georges Day, St Patricks Day or any other saints day.

[Major Tom]

its just red ken being a wanker as usual. i think if the nf hadnt hijacked it it would be a commercial sucess and have a similar profile to st.patricks day as a result. lukesh, just celebrate it in the way you want to and if anyone complains tell them to get stuffed! dont think anyone will though.

[Blagsta]

If any of you frothing patriots bothered to check, you would see that there are events in London to celebrate St Georges Day

St George's Day
Date: 23rd
Summary: The Mayor is supporting the following events in London to mark St George's Day:

a free performance by English traditional dancers in Covent Garden
the traditional wreath laying ceremony at the Cenotaph by cadets of the Royal Society of St George
the open day at the Globe Theatre - Shakespeare's birthday falls on St George’s Day and this special event will particularly celebrate his work in London.

http://www.london.gov.uk/gla/events/apr-04.jsp

[lukesh]

If I said I didn't like Asians celebrating their festivals god I;d be a dam racist. How ever anyone can say what they like about England my country!!


99% of English people want a festival to celebrate our english culture.

Most of you are not english from the looks of it and are so difficult and liberal.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
If any of you frothing patriots bothered to check, you would see that there are events in London to celebrate St Georges Day



http://www.london.gov.uk/gla/events/apr-04.jsp not good enough, we need paardes nation wide, massive ones.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
If I said I didn't like Asians celebrating their festivals god I;d be a dam racist. How ever anyone can say what they like about England my country!!

You can say what you like too. Whats stopping you? :confused:

Originally posted by lukesh
99% of English people want a festival to celebrate our english culture.

Stop making stats up, it makes you look even more of an idiot than you look already.

Originally posted by lukesh
Most of you are not english from the looks of it and are so difficult and liberal.

I'm not English am I? LOL! You tit.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
not good enough, we need paardes nation wide, massive ones.

Why?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Why? why ask your self that.

[Blagsta]

I'm asking you, you muppet.

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
If I said I didn't like Asians celebrating their festivals god I;d be a dam racist. How ever anyone can say what they like about England my country!!


99% of English people want a festival to celebrate our english culture.

Most of you are not english from the looks of it and are so difficult and liberal.

Throw your own one man parde then. See if anyone else joins you.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by RiSe & ShIne
Throw your own one man parde then. See if anyone else joins you. why should I? it's up to the local council to provide.

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
why should I? it's up to the local council to provide.

Not if no one gives a shit about it. Too bad.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by RiSe & ShIne
Not if no one gives a shit about it. Too bad. is that correct? lamo

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
is that correct? lamo

If nobody cares why throw a parade?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by RiSe & ShIne
If nobody cares why throw a parade? because englishness needs to be celebrated because it's the best culture in the world. nicest people. we have shone in the world. created good people. theres so much goodness about england.

land of hope and glory.

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
because englishness needs to be celebrated because it's the best culture in the world. nicest people. we have shone in the world. created good people. theres so much goodness about england.

land of hope and glory.

Best culture in the world? To you and your fellow Sun readers maybe.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by RiSe & ShIne
Best culture in the world? To you and your fellow Sun readers maybe. yeah because we are patriotic and love out beautiful country. :)

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
yeah because we are patriotic and love out beautiful country. :)

Since when were you Englands Spokesboy?

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by lukesh
because it's the best culture in the world. nicest people. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by RiSe & ShIne
Since when were you Englands Spokesboy? from now :) Certainly doing my job correctly then if you guessed it.

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
from now :) Certainly doing my job correctly then if you guessed it.

Somehow I doubt that the whole of England shares your 'views'. If thay can be construed as views, and not complete bollocks.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aspartame
Very subjective. What you may think is the best, another person might thing is complete crap. someone who is anti english yes. that i'm not surprised at they are jealous.

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
someone who is anti english yes. that i'm not surprised at they are jealous.

What exactly is there be jealous of?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
because englishness needs to be celebrated because it's the best culture in the world. nicest people. we have shone in the world. created good people. theres so much goodness about england.

land of hope and glory.

What other countries have you visited?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
What other countries have you visited? enough to know that my homeland is the best! no place like home.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
from now :) Certainly doing my job correctly then if you guessed it.

I think you're actually a clever left wing anti-fascist.
You're certainly doing a great job at discrediting the far right. :D

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
enough to know that my homeland is the best! no place like home.

Which countries?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I think you're actually a clever left wing anti-fascist.
You're certainly doing a great job at discrediting the far right. :D ow cheers. thnaks for the compliment

[Major Tom]

oh dear, we seem to be confusing patriotism with fascism. i very much doubt that lukesh is nick griffin's favourite nephew. maybe he is proud to be english, there's nothing wrong with that.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Major Tom
oh dear, we seem to be confusing patriotism with fascism. i very much doubt that lukesh is nick griffin's favourite nephew. maybe he is proud to be english, there's nothing wrong with that. exactly right.

if you show that yiu love your cpuntry you get called abnp supporter on here. crazy.

[Lemur]

I think theres one thing i should really say.

England... is shit

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Lemur
I think theres one thing i should really say.

England... is shit if you live in england it';s about time you left then.

[Madgal99]

because englishness needs to be celebrated because it's the best culture in the world. nicest people. we have shone in the world. created good people. theres so much goodness about england.

I've never heard such bullshit in my life... :eek2:

[BlackArab]

Originally posted by lukesh
exactly right.

if you show that yiu love your cpuntry you get called abnp supporter on here. crazy.

or even a clever left wing anti-facist

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Major Tom
oh dear, we seem to be confusing patriotism with fascism.

Who is? :confused:

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
exactly right.

if you show that yiu love your cpuntry you get called abnp supporter on here. crazy.

Bullshit. Its how you express it. Flags mean fuck all, skin colour means fuck all. Immigrants are welcome in my Britain.

I'll repeat again what I wrote on another thread (with some insults taken out).

"If you can find where I've said that I hate this country, you can have my next months wages. In fact its usually idiots like you who bang on about how this countries shit, usually whinging on about foreigners or other bigoted nonsense.
In fact I love this country, and one of the reasons I love it is due to the multicultural makeup and the fact that most people are welcoming of other cultures. We have one of the most vibrant creative cultures in the world, encompassing design, fashion, music, popular culture etc, and this is down to the fact that we do have lots of immigrants feeding in different influences and mixing it up. An insular culture is a dead stagnant culture. Is that what you want?"

Comments?

[Namaste]

Originally posted by Blagsta
What is Englishness?

Hi ho jolly hockeysticks! let's go trekking on our ponies to kill some little foxes!

I dunno... I thought being English was about being hung drawn and quartered in the town square, killing foxes and bear baiting, taxing people if they don't go to church and holidays on Blackpool beach with a knotted hankercheif on yer head :p

because englishness needs to be celebrated because it's the best culture in the world. nicest people. we have shone in the world. created good people. theres so much goodness about england.

nah man, Holland kicks ass.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by lukesh
because englishness needs to be celebrated because it's the best culture in the world. nicest people. we have shone in the world. created good people. theres so much goodness about england.

land of hope and glory.

yes a nice xenophobic people that seem to be represented as a bunch of football hooligan skinheads.

Besides there are many different cultures that have had an influence on the culture of England. Look how many people enjoy going out for a curry on a saturday night.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by lukesh
why should I? it's up to the local council to provide.

1. Why should they?

2. So are you also lobbying your local council, or just bashing London?

3. Why do you need a parade? I will celebrate St Georges Day without one.

4. Didn't I hear a few days ago that there are celebrations planned in London anyway?

5. What makes you think that 99% of English people support your view?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
1. Why should they?

2. So are you also lobbying your local council, or just bashing London?

3. Why do you need a parade? I will celebrate St Georges Day without one.

4. Didn't I hear a few days ago that there are celebrations planned in London anyway?

5. What makes you think that 99% of English people support your view?

1) The council should provide. It's a chance for them to get the community together. People pay enough taxes and council tax. Pride needs to be spread about.

2) Don't worry, our councils getting too. London is the English capital. So isn't it obvious that they should hold the largest parade? They hold prades for everyone else.

3)Why? isn't it obvious... so we can all celebrate it together. Why the need for a Chineese new year parade? Why the need for Pakistanis for celebrate it's independance.. come on!!!

4) Yeah celebarte sin london. Small poxy ones. We need a massive parade to show what it means to be English. At least they are trying.

5) I fully agree with my self that 99% of Enlgish people support an parade. If you don't your not every patriotic.

[Blagsta]

:rolleyes:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
:rolleyes: not good enough for you?

[Blagsta]

Not worth commenting on.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Not worth commenting on. ow I;m sorry for insulting your intelligense.

[Blagsta]

I've started a new thread so we can debate exactly what you mean by Englishness.
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63154

[xicoperez]

Originally posted by lukesh
I fully agree with my self that 99% of Enlgish people support an parade. If you don't your not every patriotic.

What?

As you are so English... what does affend mean. It's not a typing error you've used it many times... Please explain...

[lukesh]

Originally posted by xicoperez
What?

As you are so English... what does affend mean. It's not a typing error you've used it many times... Please explain... exaplin what that 99% of english people would like a parade... whats there to expalin

[Blagsta]

How you come up with that figure, for a start.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
How you come up with that figure, for a start. guessed as like what would an englishman would not want to celebrate where they came from?

[marv]

exaplin what that 99% of english people would like a parade... whats there to expalin

I dont want a parade i would have the money spent on something more useful like the NHS or something

[lukesh]

Originally posted by marv
I dont want a parade i would have the money spent on something more useful like the NHS or something isn't enough money being pumped into the nhs... we do need a day off you know.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by lukesh
guessed as like what would an englishman would not want to celebrate where they came from? Nationality is an accident of birth. Do you celebrate, say, being right-handed or brown-haired?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Nationality is an accident is it? If you want your child to be bron in a country of your choice then you do that!

[Renzo]

Originally posted by lukesh
is it? If you want your child to be bron in a country of your choice then you do that!

I don't think many parents are going to go to a different country specifically so that they can say that their child is "x" nationality.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Renzokuken
I don't think many parents are going to go to a different country specifically so that they can say that their child is "x" nationality. yes! why not? It's daft but possible.

[Renzo]

Originally posted by lukesh
yes! why not? It's daft but possible.

you have said it yourself it is daft. Somehow I don't think parents give a hoot where their child is born.

[Madgal99]

Nationality is an accident of birth.

I completely agree with this, nationality and nationalism are two different things entirely.

[xicoperez]

Hey Aladdin! If they celebrate everyones national holidays here... do they celebrate the 20th of November? I don't want to miss the counter-celebrations this year...

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by xicoperez
What?

As you are so English... what does affend mean. It's not a typing error you've used it many times... Please explain...

pssst, xicoperez, I think its a new way of spelling 'offend'......

Lukesh, I am getting sick of repeating myself, you can't expect to be able to make unsubstantiated and quite frankly ridiculous claims without being challenged to prove them - stop making figures up!!

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by xicoperez
Hey Aladdin! If they celebrate everyones national holidays here... do they celebrate the 20th of November? I don't want to miss the counter-celebrations this year... :D

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by lukesh
1) The council should provide. It's a chance for them to get the community together. People pay enough taxes and council tax. Pride needs to be spread about.

I don't pay my taxes so that someone puts on a parade. I pay so that I get my refuse collected, my streets cleaned, a police force, fire service etc.

2) Don't worry, our councils getting too. London is the English capital. So isn't it obvious that they should hold the largest parade? They hold prades for everyone else.

Do they? Please tell me when the St Andrews Day Parade is, I have a scottish friend who would love to attend...

3)Why? isn't it obvious... so we can all celebrate it together. Why the need for a Chineese new year parade? Why the need for Pakistanis for celebrate it's independance.. come on!!!

If you want to celebrate with other people, arrange it. Personally I would rather that my taxes were spent on what is actually important.

4) Yeah celebarte sin london. Small poxy ones. We need a massive parade to show what it means to be English. At least they are trying.

Surely if the parade was to show what it mean to be english then our usual apathy would mean that no-one turns up :confused:

5) I fully agree with my self that 99% of Enlgish people support an parade. If you don't your not every patriotic.

I would start worrying if you disagreed with yourself FFS.

I want to know why you think that 99% of the population agrees with you when the opinions on this board show that to be false. You haven't even got 50% support on this board.

I don't think that 99% support becuase I don't think that most people actually care about a parade. Not because I am unpatriotic.

If you want your child to be bron in a country of your choice then you do that!

Yes but the child doesn't make that decision therefore, for them, it is an accident of their birth....

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
I don't pay my taxes so that someone puts on a parade. I pay so that I get my refuse collected, my streets cleaned, a police force, fire service etc.

So will a parade cost millions of pounds eh? I don't think so, anyway the local council should get invloved with the community.


Originally posted by Man Of Kent



Do they? Please tell me when the St Andrews Day Parade is, I have a scottish friend who would love to attend...

Thats another thing, they never celebrate theres too. Everything un British is celebrated except British stuff, it's uttyly crazy.

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
If you want to celebrate with other people, arrange it. Personally I would rather that my taxes were spent on what is actually important
why not? whats wrong with a little cash spent on the people for a parde? I certainly prefer cash to be spent on a festival than bogus asylum seekers and people like Hooky (Abu Hamas).

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Surely if the parade was to show what it mean to be english then our usual apathy would mean that no-one turns up :confused:

what are you trying to say? That none cares about a parade? Your so wrong.

Originally posted by Man Of Kent

I want to know why you think that 99% of the population agrees with you when the opinions on this board show that to be false. You haven't even got 50% support on this board.
[QUOTE]
I'm not suprised it's only 50%, this board is full of left wing liberals. So what do you expect? They wouldn't agree with a parade to celebrate English.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Man Of Kent
I don't think that 99% support becuase I don't think that most people actually care about a parade. Not because I am unpatriotic.



Is that what you think? Most people don't care? lol You mean you and your pals don't care and just image everyone else is like you. Well I can tell you that millions of English people would like a parade. Just look at them messages on the BBC London site for starters.
Unpatriotic people don't give a toss about their country.

Originally posted by Man Of Kent

Yes but the child doesn't make that decision therefore, for them, it is an accident of their birth....
I'm not sure what I'm susposed to say here. If your born in England thats a bad thing or not anything special?

[Blagsta]

Oh fuck off :rolleyes:

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Oh fuck off :rolleyes: ow god get your mouth washed

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
Unpatriotic people don't give a toss about their country.


I'm not sure what I'm susposed to say here. If your born in England thats a bad thing or not anything special?

Why not try reading this thread (http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63154) again?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Why not try reading this thread (http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63154) again? crap!

[RiSe & ShIne]

Originally posted by lukesh
crap!

Phew, you finally realised what you were talking.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
crap!

What specifically is crap?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
What specifically is crap? most of it.


hey have you washed your mouth out? Why do you have to swear all of the time?

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
most of it.

Do you know what the word "specifically" means?

Originally posted by lukesh
hey have you washed your mouth out? Why do you have to swear all of the time?

'cos you're a twat.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Do you know what the word "specifically" means?



'cos you're a twat.

specifically means that you want something specfic, individual thing...


I;m a TW*T?

God am I really? lol

What isd up with you... swearing because I don't agree with you.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
specifically means that you want something specfic, individual thing...

So tell me what specifically is "crap" in that thread. I seem to recall you agreeing with me that class was more important than race/culture.

I'll make an anarchist of you yet :D


You twat :p

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
So tell me what specifically is "crap" in that thread. I seem to recall you agreeing with me that class was more important than race/culture.

I'll make an anarchist of you yet :D


You twat :p i'm not in the mood with your igorance and swearing... mpoderators do you allow swearing or am i making him swear?

I'm stressed and tired.

[Blagsta]

Fuck me, you're a bit sensitive ain't you?

I'm having a laugh, taking the piss, teasing etc.

Get a thicker skin, its a tough old world out there. :p

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Fuck me, you're a bit sensitive ain't you?

I'm having a laugh, taking the piss, teasing etc.

Get a thicker skin, its a tough old world out there. :p hummm i'm nit good today or this week for that matter.

[Blagsta]

Anyway, you gonna answer my question or what?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Anyway, you gonna answer my question or what? ok sorry. ok... what is that thread for? firstly.

[Blagsta]

I give up, I really do. :rolleyes:

Good night.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I give up, I really do. :rolleyes:

Good night. awww thank you.

If you find i'm not fully alert.. i'm not to good. :(

ok mate... nite.

i really hate arguing, i really do!

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by lukesh
So will a parade cost millions of pounds eh? I don't think so, anyway the local council should get invloved with the community.

No-one has suggested thatit would cost millions, but even £10k would be too much.

I'd rather see that spent on school books.

Thats another thing, they never celebrate theres too. Everything un British is celebrated except British stuff, it's uttyly crazy.

The jocks tend to celebrate Burns' Night more.

I would argue, in response to your Britishness/Englishness comment, that actually showy displays of "patriotism" are not quintessentially "British" anyway...

what are you trying to say? That none cares about a parade? Your so wrong.

Did I say "no-one" cares? I said that one of the "English" traits which I recognise is apathy about events like the one you want...

Is that what you think? Most people don't care? lol You mean you and your pals don't care and just image everyone else is like you. Well I can tell you that millions of English people would like a parade. Just look at them messages on the BBC London site for starters.
Unpatriotic people don't give a toss about their country.

Your are right, unpatriotic people don't give a toss. But we aren't talking about unpatriotic people. We're talking about people who don't feel that they need a parade to underline their national identity. We're talking about people who are so comfortable with their patriotism that they don't feel the need to prove it to anyone else...

I'm not sure what I'm susposed to say here. If your born in England thats a bad thing or not anything special?


Oh, FFS, are you looking for a flaming contest here or something?

I've been trying to cut you some slack, to treat you with the same respect that I would give anyone else on here, to be patient with you and to argue my point reasonably. But I'm starting to think that the word "fucktard" was invented to describe people like you.

Being born into any country isn't a choice issue. It just is. We have no control over where we are born. As a consequence some people feel that they shouldn't therefore feel that they owe a nation something just because they happen, by chance, to have been born within it's boundaries.

I don't personally I agree with them, but I can understand why they might think like that.

At the same time though, I also don't feel that I should have to prove my patriotism to you or anyone else. That is something which is very personal. And I suspect that many other people feel the same way.