things ARE worse today ...

[morrocan roll]

it comes up in so many different threads.
vandalism ...drunkenness ...violence and other crimes against the person ...theft ...muggings ...burglaries etc.
i have been around long enough to witness this detereation.
no i don't have rose tinted specs thankyou.

[Kermit]

They've always been there, and always will be.

Bradford in the early 1800s had more brothels than public houses, rape, disease and violence were rampant. Things haven't changed at all.

There never was a "golden age" of safety. The only reason why people never used to lock their houses was because they didn't have owt worth nicking.

[wee wuman]

i think its just in the press more and more.

we discussed this is my child protection class as in is child abuse on the increase or are people just more aware of it now because of press.
crime and abuse has been going on since time began.

[Godders]

I agree with Kermit. Everythings always been there its just because of technology etc, everyone hears about it now. It probably was going on more in the 'olden days' :p

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by wee wuman
i crime and abuse has been going on since time began. yes it has but it is now worse. in your face. on your street.
and it is true that there was nowt worth nicking and you could leave your door open. our great consumer society has increased greed and violence and dishonesty.

[LabRat]

Originally posted by Kermit
They've always been there, and always will be.
Bradford in the early 1800s had more brothels than public houses, rape, disease and violence were rampant. Things haven't changed at all.

Not true.
I know that government study for the years 1890-92 found only three handgun homicides, an average of one a year, in a population of 30 million. In 1904 there were only four armed robberies in London, then the largest city in the world. Crime rate in UK was dropping during 19 century and was rising during 20th century.
Nothing surprising.
Things go as they must go. In 1800’s the country developed toward less State’s power and more individual freedom and capitalism. In 1900’s the reverse button have been pushed and the country is falling into socialism and democracy. Freedom and responsibility tend to walk hand in hand and if individual freedom is grabbed by ’society’ ( as politicians name themselves) responsibility has nothing but to follow its sibling.
It is an axiom for all countries and all times.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
it comes up in so many different threads.
vandalism ...drunkenness ...violence and other crimes against the person ...theft ...muggings ...burglaries etc.
i have been around long enough to witness this detereation.
no i don't have rose tinted specs thankyou.

I don't think they are really. You just get more aware as you get older and more aware of your own mortality.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Blagsta
I don't think they are really. You just get more aware as you get older and more aware of your own mortality. what makes it all stand out to me is the fact that I ...me ...has to have security cameras and extra locks. the streets are full of cameras as are the shops. not becuase the technology is available but cos we don't trust each other anymore.
your right about the mortality though ...

[Blagsta]

Oh yeah, we're a lot more paranoid as a society and our perception of crime has changed. But I'm not sure if the reality has got worse. I think there might be more kids getting mugged by other kids for their mobile phones etc, but is this that much different from getting mugged for your lunch money, which used to happen when I was at school.

[Major Tom]

one thing that has deteriorated is the decline in respect for authority figures, for example a park keeper wouldn't tell people off for dropping litter these days as they would be told to fuck off by an increasing minority of the public. this might seem a petty example but if this attitude permeates society we are all in trouble.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Oh yeah, we're a lot more paranoid as a society and our perception of crime has changed. But I'm not sure if the reality has got worse. I think there might be more kids getting mugged by other kids for their mobile phones etc, but is this that much different from getting mugged for your lunch money, which used to happen when I was at school. talking about school ...the word mugging or any other equivalent didn't exist in a childs language cos it just didn't happen.
just like ...beating teachers up didn't happen ...or spitting at them or telling them =to fuck off ...your father would have been down on you dangerous had you behaved like that.
now ...your father goes into the school and makes a complete twat of himself and terrifys another teacher out of a job.

[BlackArab]

Look Mr.Roll the only reason I see things getting worse at the moment is we are lacking an important ingrediant for our moral fibre and wellbeing. Something to keep our feet on the ground and lives in perspective.













WHERE IS BECKYBOO :confused:

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by BlackArab
Look Mr.Roll the only reason I see things getting worse at the moment is we are lacking an important ingrediant for our moral fibre and wellbeing. Something to keep our feet on the ground and lives in perspective.













WHERE IS BECKYBOO :confused: probably in jail ...



























for having a roll up in a public place ...

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
talking about school ...the word mugging or any other equivalent didn't exist in a childs language cos it just didn't happen.
just like ...beating teachers up didn't happen ...or spitting at them or telling them =to fuck off ...your father would have been down on you dangerous had you behaved like that.
now ...your father goes into the school and makes a complete twat of himself and terrifys another teacher out of a job.

All that happened at my high school, 20 years ago...

[Jon_UK]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
it comes up in so many different threads.
vandalism ...drunkenness ...violence and other crimes against the person ...theft ...muggings ...burglaries etc.
i have been around long enough to witness this detereation.
no i don't have rose tinted specs thankyou.

Oh Mr Roll, is it just me or do i remember the two of us having an extremley long debate on this topic a long time ago.

Its not that things have got worse ... its that our awareness of the problems have got better. We are bombarded with the world's evils by the tv, papers and the internet. We create ever more mediums with which to inform us of our own misbehaviour. Fifty years ago people just didn't know that the various problems were happening.

Actually no our debate was on the evil(?) of technology. Nevermind.

[Jon_UK]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
just like ...beating teachers up didn't happen

No because the teachers were beating the students. Because there weren't as many students.

Were the teachers not beat up because the students had better morals than today or because if they even looked at them funny they had a stick smashed on their wrist?

Don't worry mr roll, its only natural to talk about the good old days ... you are getting older ;) :p

[Man Of Kent]

I am not aware of any crimes being committed in my village (about 1000 houses) in the five years I have lived there.

Does that mean that we are crime free?

[Blagsta]

No.

[Man Of Kent]

Exactly, I'm just not aware of it, so I feel "safe".

If I knew of the crime which occurs in my area, I'm sure I would feel less so...

The point I am trying to make, is that we are all more aware - thanks to better information channels than we were back in the 70s etc. I'm not sure that we are less safe, just that we percieve ourseleves to be...

[Blagsta]

Yeah, I said that about 10 posts ago :p

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Yeah, I said that about 10 posts ago :p

I know you did.

I was just supporting you, from a different perspective.

I was going to use your comments as a source, but we all know how people on here hate unreliable sources ;) :p

[Olive]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Exactly, I'm just not aware of it, so I feel "safe".

If I knew of the crime which occurs in my area, I'm sure I would feel less so...


totally true though.

on my parent's street, all the neighbours chat, so i know that the man 2 doors down had his door smashed down a few weeks ago, the woman opposite was burgled a few months ago, and the 95-year-old lady next door had her house broken into last year. so when i'm in their house, i feel edgy. i don't feel safe, cause i know exactly what happened in each case.

in my house i used to feel safe, cause i didn't know all the scary details. then we were burgled, and we found out from the policeman that virtually all the houses on my street had been burgled in the last year, and i am actually a whole lot safer in my parent's house.

[lukesh]

your the lucky ones. My street area and city has never been so bad. Drugs, theifs you name it we have them in every street.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by lukesh
your the lucky ones. My street area and city has never been so bad. Drugs, theifs you name it we have them in every street.

Never been so bad? Compared to what? You're 16 ffs!

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Never been so bad? Compared to what? You're 16 ffs! whats that got to do with it? Age I mean. It wasn't this abd 5 years ago. Your a part!

[Blagsta]

How do you know? You were 11, you wouldn't have noticed half the stuff that goes on.
Unless you can provide verifiable crime statistics, I'll continue to think you're an idiot.

And how am I a part? I haven't been to Stoke for about 12 years.

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
How do you know? You were 11, you wouldn't have noticed half the stuff that goes on.
Unless you can provide verifiable crime statistics, I'll continue to think you're an idiot.

And how am I a part? I haven't been to Stoke for about 12 years. you don't understand. you know everything.

[Blagsta]

No I don't. Thats why I'm asking you, you muppet. :rolleyes:
What evidence have you to back up your assertions? Crime stats? And how am I the cause?

Or are you just being silly again?

[lukesh]

Originally posted by Blagsta
No I don't. Thats why I'm asking you, you muppet. :rolleyes:
What evidence have you to back up your assertions? Crime stats? And how am I the cause?

Or are you just being silly again? i'm obviosuly being silly again. :crazyeyes

[Renzo]

I do think the drugs are bad. I have experienced it kind of. A few weeks ago I had a party, a friend asked if they could be a friend of theirs. This friend of a friend was doing magic mushrooms at my house. (Not sure what class it is) I was very annoyed about it and I wanted to chuck him out. I didn't for some reason. He passed out at some point. He deserved it.

Really, going into someone you do not know's home and taking drugs :(

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by lukesh
It wasn't this abd 5 years ago.

Says who?

Is a comparison with 5 years ago realistic and have you applied the understanding of Statistical Process Control to these figures?

This would allow you to understand whether these are what can be considered "normal" crime levels for your area, or if something specific has changed...?

The example would be a journey, by car, to the same destination everyday. Sometimes you will catch every lights at red, sometimes at green. This mean that although the journey had route may remain the same, the time it takes you can differ. Therefore if you just compared an "all-red" day with an "all-green" day you would say that your journey had got a lot worst, when in reality there was always the statitiscal probability that this would happen, whatever else you did...