angus deaton/kilroy silk.

[morrocan roll]

i agree with the way the bbc has dealt with mr silk so far but totaly dissagree with the way they dealt with mr deaton.
silk was making extremely political statements.
deaton was living his life style in the manner we know to be quite normal and common for people in the world of entertainment.
where do you draw the line with bringing aunty into disrepute?

[Toadborg]

Well he was doing things that are illegal and I think it is fair enough for an employer to take a harsh line when they know an employee is commiting criminal acts, especially in such a high profile way..........

[Moraji]

I don't think whether it was illegal or immoral had anything to do with it, it was just that Paul Merton and Ian Hislop kept ripping the piss out of him instead of actually playing the quiz/game..

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Toadborg
Well he was doing things that are illegal and I think it is fair enough for an employer to take a harsh line when they know an employee is commiting criminal acts, especially in such a high profile way.......... as far as i know the only ilegal bit was snorting coke wasn't it? a victimless crime.
does this mean ANY ...illegal act should get you the sack? co's surely in that case your going to have to fill the bbc with quakers or hamish or something.

[Aladdin]

No, very few people would agree that any illegal act committed should merit the sack. Who would be left to work?

The Deayton case was an interesting one. The key to it is that he wasn't sacked the first time around- so presumably snorting coke is not necessarily a sackable offence unless you work on children's programmes as that bloke off Blue Peter discovered.

Deayton promised at the time there were no further skeletons in the closet and that nothing of the sort would happen again. Alas it did. The tabloids had a field day with the incident as well. Considering how much the tabloid press of both left and right leaning has been ridiculed at HIGNFY for a decade, this was finally their chance to extract some revenge.

So sadly the BBC bowed to pressure and gave him the boot. True, Merton and Hislop's taunting didn't help- but that's a lame excuse. The comments would have died down after a while, and there has always been a fair amount of banter between Deayton and the other two (Merton and Deayton are not exactly best mates).

I personally deeply resent that he's gone. I understand those who claim that the BBC has a responsibility not to keep people who break the law in such fashion in high-profile employment. But even the police couldn't be arsed, and to be honest if the BBC was to observe a non-cocaine use policy it'd have no anchormen, no guests, no presenters, no nobody.

[Blagsta]

If the BBC had a no cocaine policy, no programmes would ever get made!

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
as far as i know the only ilegal bit was snorting coke wasn't it? a victimless crime.
does this mean ANY ...illegal act should get you the sack? co's surely in that case your going to have to fill the bbc with quakers or hamish or something.

Doesn't matter if it is 'victimless' or not, he also solicited prostitutes I beleive.

I am not sure why you don't understand why a BBC boss who had found that a major employee who has been publically outed as a user of prostitutes and cocaine would not sack this person.......:confused:

Wouldn't you?

[Kermit]

Its as I said at the time- they sack a guy for snorting coke, but then they pay the cunt whos got a conviction for DEALING the stuff a small fortune.

How they treat Kilroy-Silk in the long-run will be interesting- they cant sack HIM because hes a sub-contratcor to his production company, and they cant sack the production company because it would be aunfair breach of contract.

So RKS still gets his cash, if not his mug on the telly.

[Blagsta]

Yes, but the c nt who's got a conviction has served his time. So its dealt (pun not intended) with.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Blagsta
Yes, but the c nt who's got a conviction has served his time. So its dealt (pun not intended) with.

Id normally agree with that but when two people lose their jobs for simply snorting the stuff, and another loses his for saying something stupid, then the BBC has set itself a precendent.

But hey, Johnny Vaughan doesnt get slaughtered in the gutter press, so its all OK.

[Blagsta]

But wasn't what JV did in the past? Before he started working for the BBC?

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Toadborg
Doesn't matter if it is 'victimless' or not, he also solicited prostitutes I beleive.

I am not sure why you don't understand why a BBC boss who had found that a major employee who has been publically outed as a user of prostitutes and cocaine would not sack this person.......:confused:

Wouldn't you? no. would you sack people for drinking and paying for sex? why should your sexual habits have anything to do with your job? paying for sex is not illegal.
he's wasn't driving a bus. he wasn't using machinery. are you telling me that the john burts aren't downing scotch at their desks?

[Uncle Joe]

Originally posted by Kermit
Id normally agree with that but when two people lose their jobs for simply snorting the stuff, and another loses his for saying something stupid, then the BBC has set itself a precendent.

But hey, Johnny Vaughan doesnt get slaughtered in the gutter press, so its all OK. Not following you. What job has Kilroy-Silk lost? Who lost their jobs for 'simply' snorting coke?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Not following you. What job has Kilroy-Silk lost? Who lost their jobs for 'simply' snorting coke?

1. The noise coming from the BBC indicated that the BBC will fire RKS.
2. Richard Bacon I was thinking of, and also Angus Deayton to a lesser extent.

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
no. would you sack people for drinking and paying for sex? why should your sexual habits have anything to do with your job? paying for sex is not illegal.
he's wasn't driving a bus. he wasn't using machinery. are you telling me that the john burts aren't downing scotch at their desks?

If I knew that one of my employees was a drug abuser then I would most likely sack them.

Not only could it affect the quality of work done it could bring the company in to disrepute.

i do not see how this is unreasonable.......

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Toadborg
If I knew that one of my employees was a drug abuser then I would most likely sack them.

Not only could it affect the quality of work done it could bring the company in to disrepute.

i do not see how this is unreasonable.......

User? Or abuser? Would you sack staff for going to the pub on a Friday or Saturday night? Whats the difference between that and someone who likes a couple of lines of charlie on a Saturday night?

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Blagsta
User? Or abuser? Would you sack staff for going to the pub on a Friday or Saturday night? Whats the difference between that and someone who likes a couple of lines of charlie on a Saturday night? well said.
drugs are not like alcohol where you end up falling about hurling abuse at people ...realy. most people wouldn't go to work under the influence of drugs or alcohol but ...if your in the entertainment business then i do think an exceptional exception should be made. it's not a propper job grinning at people is it.
...and do you believe that people who use drugs are just stupid helpless morons?

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Blagsta
User? Or abuser? Would you sack staff for going to the pub on a Friday or Saturday night? Whats the difference between that and someone who likes a couple of lines of charlie on a Saturday night?

Well, he said abuser and I think he has a very valid point, just as he would if he was talking about alcoholics.

If someone turns up at work incapable through drug abuse (be that Class A, or alcohol) then their behavious constitues Gross Misconduct - in most places this is a sackable offence.

NB Recent case of pilot incapable through drink comes to mind...

[Blagsta]

Obviously if someone is incapable of doing their job due to drug or alcohol use, then thats a sackable offence. But using drink or drugs does not necessarily mean that they would not be capable of doing their job.

[Aladdin]

Exactly. Look at Rio Ferdinand for instance.



:p

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Exactly. Look at Rio Ferdinand for instance.

Was he using?


@ Blagsta, it depends what job you do, and what the company has in your contract of course.

[morrocan roll]

i smoke with an anesthatisd (sp) ...he smokes and snorts with a couple of surgeons. of course they avoid going to work under the influence. i know many coppers who use coke ...less and less of them smoke weed as it stays traceable on a RDT ...for a couple of months. these people are proffesionals who YOU have to deal with on a daily basis. you won't know they are using drugs.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Was he using? That's what many think... but it was a cheek in tongue comment anyway.

[Doofay]

Kermit, Blagsta, don't you mean Cunt? :p

[Aladdin]

How did you do that??

[Uncle Joe]

Aladdin, reply to Doofay with quote to reveal all...

Evil genius in da house :cool:

[Aladdin]

Thanks! Clever little trick.

Incidentally, this issue of Private Eye carries a feature on Kilroy listing all the clever observations he's made over the years. Blacks, Arabs, the French, the Irish, the Scotts, the Germans... no one is safe from his wrath.

I'll scan the article and post it if I have a minute.