death/torture/nothing at all

[Hellfire]

If you could choose death/torture or just leave them in prison for a serious crime what would you choose.

also what do you think benifits from these method and is there any you would add, do you think any of these are wrong and shouldn't be used at all?


if you pick other on the poll please state what it would be and why:)

[Hellfire]

Originally posted by Aspartame
I think "rehabilitate" should also be an option. I chose "other" to reflect this.

Naturally, there are cases when rehabilitiation would not be particularly useful, for instance, when the person will not ever be released into society.

Thats a good suggestion but theres one problem. you try to rehabilitate a murderer and all he has to do is say "im sorry im rehabbilitated" they let him out. he commits another crime,

personly i don't think you can rehabilitate a murderer and but i see where your coming from. maybe if there mentaly ill there could be an acception but someone who is sound of mind who murders for fun will allways be a murderer, the same goes for rapists, serial killers ect,

maybe people like con men can be rehabilitated and if there crime hasnt involved people dieing or coming to any harm. i don't see why they can't TRY to rehabilitate although i think it would fail,

its a very good idea but there are alot of problems with that,

nice thought but if only it was that simple.

[Renzo]

Putting someone to death is just wrong. Torturing someone is even worse.

[sniper666]

I think they should just be locked in an airtight metal room with no light, no food/water, and just leave them there until they suffocate. Although many people would consider that inhumane, why should a murderer be given any rights at all if they have taken someone elses? Probably the best way to deal with murderers is the death penalty as it costs taxpayers less to just kill murderers than it does to put them in prison.

[Clandestine]

Not true. Actually putting someone to death costs significantly more than what it would cost to keep them imprisoned for life.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html

http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html

[sniper666]

Originally posted by Clandestine
Not true. Actually putting someone to death costs significantly more than what it would cost to keep them imprisoned for life.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html

http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html

:eek: I always thought it was cheaper to kill them. Well in that case just total isolation from the outside world in an airtight box, no food or anything until they suffocate, thats the cheapest method. You don't need to maintain the room you throw them in or anything, becuase its not designed for their well being, it's designed to kill them.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by sniper666
You don't need to maintain the room you throw them in or anything, becuase its not designed for their well being, it's designed to kill them.

Good idea to maintain it, that way it will work when you want it to :rolleyes:

[sniper666]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Good idea to maintain it, that way it will work when you want it to :rolleyes:

Well apart from the seal around the door, there's not much to maintain as there's nothing else in the room. Maintaining an empty room is nowhere near as costly as maintaining an electric chair.

[sniper666]

Originally posted by Aspartame
Next resident Bushbot?

Actually I hate president Bush

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Rude_boyz
you try to rehabilitate a murderer and all he has to do is say "im sorry im rehabbilitated" they let him out. he commits another crime.

Thats an extremely simplistic view of the parole board, who comprise of prison officers, solictors and legal counsel, and good smattering to psychologists.

So, do you have stats to back up this viewpoint?

personly i don't think you can rehabilitate a murderer

Mary Bell killed two little boys for fun when she was a child, and she is rehabilitated into the world. She has a healthy normal child, and she hasnt even got a parking fine since. And it happens all the time- can you prove me otherwise?

maybe people like con men can be rehabilitated and if there crime hasnt involved people dieing or coming to any harm.

Why can a professional con artist, a person whose done it all their lives, be rehabilitated but a murderer, who might have lost control in a fit of rage for one moment, not be? Why does killing someone mean that you cant be sorry and go on to lead a good, honest, selfless life, but stealing all someones money mean you can?

Oh, and sniper, the cost of putting someone to death is so high for the simple fact that the state has to be extra certain of guilt in order to kill somebody- theer are many appeals, and I think the average stay on Death Row is about 12 years.

And even then they get it wrong :rolleyes:

Thats the main trouble with the death penalty- mistakes are made. If we had the death penalty the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four would both be dead, and thats ten innocent people murdered by the state. Mistakes happen, but theyre not very easy to rectify if the person is six feet under.

Though I always find it amusing how its the Bible-belters who love the death penalty most, given Jesus' teachings on love and forgiveness and all that...

[BeckyBoo]

Once upon a time id say hang the barstewrads who committed serious offences like murder etc, now id say no make then repay for what they have done.
Id love to be a boss in a prison and boy oh boy would I flog ass, id make them work like they did in the old films, all chained one to another. Make them do a 12 hr shift putting something back in the community.
I have no sympathy for people who are locked up, they commited the crime then they do the time......without complaint and moaning that conditions are bad.

waits to be slaughtered :D

[Kermit]

Originally posted by BeckyBoo
I have no sympathy for people who are locked up, they commited the crime then they do the time......without complaint and moaning that conditions are bad.

So you think pregnant girls, jailed for non-payment of TV License fees, deserve to be forced to slop out every morning, and in summer live in cells where urine on the window-sills congeals, causing infection?

Or maybe they deserve to have to live in clothes too small for them because the prison has run out of the right-sized garments?

Or maybe they deserve to be ritually beaten by the prison guards because they speak out about prison brutality, and guard corruption?

Or maybe they deserve to be bullied and beaten so severely by the other inmates, and by the guards, that they feel that the only solution is to take their own life?

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Kermit
So you think pregnant girls, jailed for non-payment of TV License fees, deserve to be forced to slop out every morning, and in summer live in cells where urine on the window-sills congeals, causing infection?



Depends why they got put there in the first place. Constant offenders just because they happen to be pregnant dont deserve my sypmathy, however obviously for petty crime and 1st time offenders and like non payment of T.V license is stupidity, I agree with what you say.

edited to add if a woman is pregnant then obviously I wouldnt expect her to do hard graft, my main concern would be the unborn baby. So id expect a pregnant woman to be fed properly and be looked after for the sake of the baby.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by BeckyBoo
Constant offenders...dont deserve my sypmathy

So they deserve to be bullied, habitually beaten, and forced to live in dangerous conditions?

Yeah?

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Kermit
So they deserve to be bullied, habitually beaten, and forced to live in dangerous conditions?

Yeah?

Depends why they are there. You see your portraying them as poor little souls been put in prison, now if they have had a handful of offences and they were violent themselves or they harmed children then if they get bullied so be it.

for non payment of TV license they shouldnt be there in my opinion.

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by Kermit
So you think pregnant girls, jailed for non-payment of TV License fees

That bit got me thinking, now obviously people have to buy a tv license if they want to watch television, its the law.
Now what i think they should introduce for petty stuff like this and stupid 1st time offences I think they should start tagging them, thus make the offender stay in her house for shall we say 28 days or whatever is reccomended. Obviously remove her tv if she still aint got a license lol

What do people think about that ?

[morrocan roll]

half the people in jail shouldn't be there. we jail more people than anyone else in europe i believe. but this country has always been like that. for pinching an apple in victorian times you could be transported to the colonies!
most murderers i met in jail were family murders or drunken fights with no intention whatsoever of killing. there was no evil intent just circumstances getting out of control. like your husband becky could find himself grappling with someone trying to have his takings away ...he knocks the guy down ...the guy splits his head and dies ...are you going to tell your little un that daddies in jail cos he's evil and desevrs it? how do they even start to rehabilitate an honest hard working man like your husband?
people who plan and succeed in robbing large amounts of cash without any members of public or staff being threarened or hurt can get huge sentences ...but you can rape an old lady and batter her husband into an institute for the rest of his life and get a few years. money is more important than human life.
if you spent six months in a jail ...you'd meet the good the bad and the ugly. the evil and the sad. pensioners who haven't paid the rates ...people who found they consistently couldn't get it together to pay for a speeding fine.
prison is a complex society outside of the society you know ...
i believe that most prisons should be tough ...and they are.
it pisses me off when the likes of archer or any other celeb can serve their sentences in theatres and restaurants. especialy archer ...who with no knowledge at the time of what prison was like, was, as tory party chairman screaming from the roof tops about how we should make jail ever tougher ...and then complains cos his toast was cold and his egg was too fucking hard boiled!

[BeckyBoo]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
most murderers i met in jail were family murders or drunken fights with no intention whatsoever of killing. there was no evil intent just circumstances getting out of control.

have to say things like this I can understand do happen, these are not the ones who I feel any bitterness to, its the likes of premeditated murderers, rapists, sex offenders things to do with kids, the elderly getting raped and stuff like that.
I am human and i do have some feelings but they are for the people who by accident have killed someone, but they still should be punished but not as harshly compared to someone who was just pure vicious.

[byny]

Prison

torture is inhumane and I don't believe in killing people

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by BeckyBoo
have to say things like this I can understand do happen, these are not the ones who I feel any bitterness to, its the likes of premeditated murderers, rapists, sex offenders things to do with kids, the elderly getting raped and stuff like that.
I am human and i do have some feelings but they are for the people who by accident have killed someone, but they still should be punished but not as harshly compared to someone who was just pure vicious. ...and like i said becky ...half the prison population should'nt be there. the scenario i used regarding your husband is a very common one. some get sentenced for man slauaghter some for actual murder ...your husband had set out to do his days work ...not commit any kind of crime whatsoever. but he ends up in jail for ...his working day going terribly wrong.
there are men and women doing life for killing their spouses in the middle of some mad drunken domestic moment ...the family left behind on the outside usualy still dearly love the murderer that is now behind bars.
i think what i'm trying to say is that very few of the people in jail are evil or wicked ...mostly unfortunate.