Why the Catholic Church should be eradicated from the face of the Earth

[Aladdin]

The Vatican: condoms 'don't stop AIDS' (http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html)

On top of the millions who have been murdered over the centuries, on top of the tens of millions oppressed and tortured, on top of their corruption, Nazi collaboration, spread of hatred and homophobia and countless other atrocities, the Catholic Church happily helps spread one of the most serious and horrifying diseases in the history of mankind.

How low can you get?



:mad:

[Man Of Kent]

Great isn't it, but they have a point if you understand their faith.

No sex should be taking place outside of marriage, therefore AIDS would only be passed on through other methods and thus a condom is irrelevant. As you should also not be a drug user then the chances of infection are also reduced.

Other than that I can only point out that faith has never really sat well with scientific "fact"... :rolleyes:

[Man Of Kent]

Oh, just read the article.

Morons.

[Aladdin]

Unfortunately in many places in Africa and elsewhere there is pandemic lack of information about STDs- and a pandemic of HIV+ cases, with some countries having up to a third of its population infected.

That the Catholic Church uses its massive influence in many of those countries to discourage the use of condoms could even qualify as manslaughter. It's repulsive beyond belief.

Disgraceful!

[Toadborg]

Surely it doesn't sit entirely well with the faith either?

If you shagged around as a youth but later repent to Jesus and become a god-fearing member of the Catholic Church, then surely you should still be wearing condoms, despite being a 'good' person now? :confused:

[Man Of Kent]

You would not be a "Good" Catholic is you were using condoms. They are a form of birth control and not allowed under Catholic strictures...

[Toadborg]

Wouldn't it be worse to knowingly infect someone with a deadly disease?

Do Catholic scriptures not deal with moral complexities?

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Toadborg
Wouldn't it be worse to knowingly infect someone with a deadly disease?

Nope because the passing of the disease would be an act of God. His way of punishing someone who had sinned...

Do Catholic scriptures not deal with moral complexities?

Not to my knowledge.

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Nope because the passing of the disease would be an act of God. His way of punishing someone who had sinned...





But like I said in the situation above and considering the Christian ideal of redemption and atonement surely that doesn't make sense?

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Toadborg
But like I said in the situation above and considering the Christian ideal of redemption and atonement surely that doesn't make sense?

Ah, but the individual cannot control the virus, thus it is God's judgement whether it gets passed on or not.

Remember, not everyone who has unprotected sex with an infected individual ends up with the disease. It just increases the risk.

BTW I don't subscribe to the Catholic Church's perspective on this (or just about anything TBH) but it helps to understand a different mindset sometimes.

[Toadborg]

I know you don't agree with it........

If Tony Blair did this it would cause utter outrage, but how many people think of the Pope as an utter bastard? Not many

Why do we still apply different standards to religious instituions than to civil organisations just because religious organisations are utterly out of touch with the modern world?

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by Toadborg
If Tony Blair did this it would cause utter outrage, but how many people think of the Pope as an utter bastard? Not many Depend who you talk to though. Most of the people I know well enough to ask for their opinion think he's scum.

Why do we still apply different standards to religious instituions than to civil organisations just because religious organisations are utterly out of touch with the modern world? Good question. So much for separation of Church and State...

[morrocan roll]

aladin i agree fully.
years ago i read a book that was written around 1900, by a catholic priest. i cant remember the name of it but will find out if i can
it is a study of part of the book of revelation. the part dealing with the destruction of 'babylon the great'. it describes the fine garments, the expensive woods, gold silver, purple robes etc. the murder of innocents and the wars it has been involved in. it explains that god sees it blood guilt as piled right up to heaven.
it goes on to explain ...in the bible itself ...that this whore ...sits on the seven hills of rome ....
the only conclusion this priest could come to was that babylon the great was the catholic church. if you ever get the chance to read a plain english bible i think you will agree with his conclusion.
so ...if he's right aladin ...you would find that your desire to see the destruction of the catholic church as being in full agreement with the god of the bible or at least with it's maybe prophetic writers.
keep sasying i must get a bible ...there is stuff in there that is so anti religous that religous people somehow manage to avert their eyes from those passages ...to continue to delude themselves.

[Namaste]

So why does everybody rip on the Catholic church when there are other mainstream religions that hold masogynist, racist or homophobic qualities?

What about the cult of Malcombe X for example (an anti-white islam sect) or that jewish prayer where they thank god that they were not born a woman? What about the caste system?

I don't understand why everybody gives Christianity such a hard time when any fundamentalist religion holds some values that we may see as wrong After all, these books are written by somebody hundreds/thousands of years ago and are bound to be dated and biased.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by MoonRat
So why does everybody rip on the Catholic church it's entire history is bloodshed. people who tried to teach the bible ...killed. people who translated the bible into common languages ...tortured then killed. how can you equate that with christianity? holding the bible up to be there book of truth ...but don't let the people see what it realy says.
it's support of hitler and the gassing of jews? loads of religions are bad ...maybe all of them but this one ...have a read of the book of revelation as i stated before ...who else sits in power, over many sees and is based on the seven hills of rome?

[Namaste]

I do not agree with the behaviour of some Christian fundamentalists and I alwso recognise that there are a lot of gospels and books missing from the Bible including one that mentions a goddess called Sophia.

But at the same time, I've never seen any posts about here saying how Hindu fundamentalism or muslim fundamentalism is wrong... why does everybody pick on the Christians?

[morrocan roll]

at least the other bad religions kill the followers of other bad religions as a rule if i'm not mistaken ...i'm not talking your average war where christians kill christians, more ...the catholic church has a history of killing catholics and christians ...i don't understand how people manage to think that catholic = christian!
if we could ask the guy who started it all ...mr christ ...or at least read some of his writtings ...do you think he would see the catholic church as resembling in the slightest the christian faith?
what would he make of the pope? mr christian rode into town on a smelly donkey ...the pope is carried on a bleeding throne! people have to bow to him and kiss his ring! did you know when ever a head of state, be it king or president ...meets the pope, they have to kiss his slippers! while mr christian was humble enough to wash the dirty feet of a common man ...wheres the christian bit then?

[Namaste]

Wow, you'll still awake too?

I agree with what you're saying in that I don't believe a lot of fundamentalists follow the original teachings. mary magdeline was a prostitute for example... yet many Christians have a problem with sex before marriage... still, jesus was cool with her.

As for the pope, he's amazingly rich, but doesn't the Bible say something like...

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god" ?

The Catholic church has billions invested in arms yet the Bible says "thou shalt not kill" and there are so many books left out of it...

[Hellfire]

Well according to many people chrisianity not just catholic is suposedly one of the biggest hate groups ever...

here is what my seach on google said

Christian Identity
... The FBI calls it the nation's most dangerous hate group. And it's growing in Missouri
Christian Identity beliefs The movement "is not Christian," says minister ...
Description: Collection of archived media coverage of the group.

and the matching url for this

Christian. the biggest hate group ever (http://www.rickross.com/groups/christian_identity.html)

Now this is a tiuchy subject for me as i am a christian and i believe in some but not all there ways....

[hobbs]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
...i don't understand how people manage to think that catholic = christian!
if we could ask the guy who started it all ...mr christ ...or at least read some of his writtings ...do you think he would see the catholic church as resembling in the slightest the christian faith?
what would he make of the pope? mr christian rode into town on a smelly donkey ...the pope is carried on a bleeding throne! people have to bow to him and kiss his ring! did you know when ever a head of state, be it king or president ...meets the pope, they have to kiss his slippers! while mr christian was humble enough to wash the dirty feet of a common man ...wheres the christian bit then?

spot on and absolutly right, the catholic church is about as far removed from christianity as taught in the Bible as paganism is.

read the article and yes: morons with a massive lack of understanding and compassion (that they are meant to show)

:mad:

So yes Al, the system should be eradicated, but perhaps not the people.

BTW the Bible, in my opinion, doesn't really teach that God punishes people for sinning eg. psalm 130 If you, O LORD , kept a record of sins,
O Lord, who could stand?
But with you there is forgiveness.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by hobbs




So yes Al, the system should be eradicated, but perhaps not the people.

definately not the millions of catholic faithful! the organisation yes.
"get out of her my people .......

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by MoonRat
So why does everybody rip on the Catholic church when there are other mainstream religions that hold masogynist, racist or homophobic qualities?



because the topic was started in response to a major new story and the catholic church is one of the biggest religions in the world, simple really............

[LadyJade]

Originally posted by Toadborg

If Tony Blair did this it would cause utter outrage, but how many people think of the Pope as an utter bastard? Not many

Why do we still apply different standards to religious instituions than to civil organisations just because religious organisations are utterly out of touch with the modern world?

I agree, can you imagine if a government in one of the affected countries made this governmental policy? There would be worldwide outrage and condemnation of the ignorance which would lead to such a policy. Because it is the holy mother church it is seen as acceptable policy, no matter what harm it will cause and how much work it will undo from organisations like the WHO.

[Aladdin]

I know money is usually no problem for the Catholic Church :rolleyes: , but a first step would be removing all help, whether direct or indirect that they receive. Such as 'charity status', tax relief for donations, etc.

The Pope (and his soon-to-be-in-charge successor) should be declared 'persona non-grata' in countries everywhere until they make a public rebuttal of their earlier comments (pretty much what they've been doing to scientists and thinkers everywhere who dared to suggest the earth was not the centre of the Universe, under the threat of death) and banned from travelling to those countries if they do not comply. An abandonment of their homophobic, hatred-filled position towards homosexuality would have to change too.

And we could start converting old Catholic churches into nightclubs. They make superb venues! :D

[Namaste]

Originally posted by Aladdin
An abandonment of their homophobic, hatred-filled position towards homosexuality would have to change too.


Actually I think it was only the gospel of Paul that had homophobic teaching... so really, if Christians are educated enough then they'd understand that this is just one man's opinion... but aaaaah, ignorance is bliss eh?



Originally posted by Hobbs
the catholic church is about as far removed from christianity as taught in the Bible as paganism is.

But Christianity takes a lot from Paganism, not the other way round. For example the placing of the Christian callender... in fact when early Christianity came to the british Isles they seemed to get on alright, although the Christians did try and convert the celts. Early celtic Christianity had some beautiful concepts, such as the Anam Cara. However, the Catholic church... I don't agree with what they do even if I hold the belief that we should be free to have our own beliefs.

One thing that a lot of people don't know is that there are five other gospels 'convieniently' left out of the Bible (going back there wasn't a 'Bible', only a collection of texts written at that time). These were the Gospel of Thomas, the Egyptians, of Philip, of Mary and of Truth.

[LadyJade]

Hey Moonrat, do you have a source for that info, I'd be interested to have a look.......

[Dear Wendy]

Moonrat, when you state Bible do you mean the old testament? New testament? or the two combined?

Btw, christianity has a lot of customs origining in paganism. Initially so the pagans would adapt to the new religion faster and easier.
For example the christmas tree. The fewest people know why people celebrate christmas with a tree, but it is a pagan tradition to mark teh fact that the days are now getting longer and thats oon nature will start blooming again. Has nothing to do with christianity whatsoever.

[LadyJade]

Same with Easter, and most of the Christian feast days are held on the same days as traditional pagan ones - All Hallows Eve and Halloween????

[Captain Slog]

Originally posted by LadyJade
All Hallows Eve and Halloween????

is the same event.

Anyway, many people have had beef with the catholic church over the years. That is why the whole protestant movement started. Oliver Cromwell (a famous puritan) hated catholics. He (and others like him) believed the church should be devoid of all decoration. He wasn't too keen on the pope, with all his riches etc. Can you blame him?

[Kermit]

Originally posted by LadyJade
Because it is the holy mother church it is seen as acceptable policy, no matter what harm it will cause and how much work it will undo from organisations like the WHO.

But the simple fact that if people listened to the word of God and DIDNT SHAG AROUND, then AIDS would soon disappear from the Earth.

Saying that condoms dont work is dangerous in the extreme, but the policy behind the gobshite is one that shouldnt be mocked so easily. If people wre monogamous and stayed away from drugs then, in quite a short space of times, AIDS would disappear. The reason why AIDS is so prevalent in Africa is because they are deeply, deeply promiscuous. Simple as.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Aladdin
An abandonment of their homophobic, hatred-filled position towards homosexuality would have to change too.

The hate is a bastardisation of parts of the Bible though. And its not good catholic beliefs, in the same way that just because some social workers like interfering with children, and some others cover for them, that does not make all social workers evil.

All through both Testaments it is stated that sex outside of marriage is a sin, and that the SOLE PURPOSE of marriage is to procreate. Hence why a) homosexuals cannot have sex and b) contraception is against God's will. The Catholic Church's default position is not anti-homosexuality, but anti-sex outside of marriage. And as at marriage you promise to have children, and stay monogamous, de facto that means that homosexuals cannot have sexual relations.

[morrocan roll]

organised religion should be banned. it leads to death. full stop.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
organised religion should be banned. it leads to death. full stop.

No, it doesn't. It's the institutions using religion as a way to obtain power.
It's all political, and believers and decent churches and organisations shouldn't suffer under this.
I might as well say atheism should be banned it leads to death, on the background of Stalin and Hitler :rolleyes:

[Namaste]

Originally posted by LadyJade
Same with Easter, and most of the Christian feast days are held on the same days as traditional pagan ones - All Hallows Eve and Halloween????

Oook, I'm back ;)

All Hallows Eve is one of the few celebrations used in Western tradition that actually celebrates an eve and not the day time, seeing as the celts measured the turning of the day by the moon (I think). I've actually booked it off work to celebrate, it's the pagan holiday called Samhain (pronounced "sow" as in a female pig and "en"... "sow-en"), the celtic new year. It's also a time of mischief and what many cultures use to celebrate the dead and the afterlife. So my friend and I are skipping college to make masks and hopefully we'll have a party :D

Ladyjade, you'd like a link.... Hold on...

Gnosis.org (http://www.gnosis.org/)

There we go! That'll have the missing gospels from the collection of books that we now know as the Bible (old and new testement) that were found in Egypt in the 1940s.

But the simple fact that if people listened to the word of God and DIDNT SHAG AROUND, then AIDS would soon disappear from the Earth.

Actually, HIV can even be carried by mosquitos now and AIDs is an epidemic in Africa. People could be born with it because the parent was affected and not know they've got it. Also, in poorer countries they aren't educated about things like that.


The Catholic Church's default position is not anti-homosexuality, but anti-sex outside of marriage.

So why can't gay priests get ordained?

organised religion should be banned. it leads to death. full stop.

I wouldn't say so. I'd say that without a religion of some sort somewhere, society would fall in to a state of anomie. Also, you cannot tar every religious person with the same brush. Look at Mother Teresa for example, she did a lot for the world as do many religious charities.

You could argue that a Christian cannot commit a self-less act as they do everything to get in to heaven though. It's the powerful grabbing hold of religion and distorting it that leads to death... the affluent. In my opinion of course.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by MoonRat


I'd say that without a religion of some sort somewhere, society would fall in to a state of anomie. Also, you cannot tar every religious person with the same brush. Look at Mother Teresa for example, she did a lot for the world as do many religious charities.

not the individuals but the organisation. mother t would have done the same thing without a popes blessing.

[Namaste]

Yeah I guess she would, but at the same time, religion also inspires art. By restricting people from worshipping who they believe, it's the same as then trying to convert.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
not the individuals but the organisation. mother t would have done the same thing without a popes blessing.

Interesting that the last world leaders to think like that were Maximilien Robespierre, Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot.

Just a thought.

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Kermit
Interesting that the last world leaders to think like that were Maximilien Robespierre, Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot.

Just a thought. oh dear ...good point.

[LadyJade]

Thanks Moonrat.

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by Kermit
The reason why AIDS is so prevalent in Africa is because they are deeply, deeply promiscuous. Simple as.

Nice generalisation...........

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Toadborg
Nice generalisation...........

Its true in many cases though. Or certainly it wouldnt spread anywhere near as fast if everyone stuck to one partner.

[Aladdin]

No country or people can boast that they stick to one partner. We all do it (not literally all of us, but all countries or people). Despite certain moral and religious codes that seem out of touch with human nature, we will always have several partners.

Let's not forget that HIV is a problem in this country too, with heterosexual cases now growing faster than homosexual cases or drug-related ones.

For the Catholic Church to say "well if you obeyed 'God's Decree' :rolleyes: and stayed monogamous nothing would happen" is simply evil. Not the fiercest promises of eternal hell and pain are going to stop people from sleeping with more than one partner. It's just an instinct or urge we can't repress. However many of those same people will not wear a condom if the murdering scum at the Vatican tell them not to. That is a decision they have more willpower to make, and the very last thing we need is those stupid idiots telling people not to wear condoms because the only protection they need is to stay faithful.

As far as I'm concerned the fat one and his gang should be prosecuted for manslaughter.

[Namaste]

Its true in many cases though. Or certainly it wouldnt spread anywhere near as fast if everyone stuck to one partner.

And you have proof of this?

For the Catholic Church to say "well if you obeyed 'God's Decree' and stayed monogamous nothing would happen" is simply evil. Not the fiercest promises of eternal hell and pain are going to stop people from sleeping with more than one partner. It's just an instinct or urge we can't repress.

Hrm, I'd say that that's societal and based on time. For example, a woman found pregnant outside of marriage a couple of hundred years ago would have been locked up and diagnosed with 'nymphomania'. You could argue that secularisation has caused a decline in values... or that we have nothing to be ashamed of sexuality-wise (or that religion is not really in decline, it is simply now more 'specialised').

I'd say that a lot of people in the middle ages and up to the mid twentieth centuary were very religious, in my opinion and they didn't sleep around as much because of their moral values (apart from prostitutes). Personally I don't think it's that we can't repress it... but more we no longer have to behave in such a prudish manner.

However many of those same people will not wear a condom if the murdering scum at the Vatican tell them not to. That is a decision they have more willpower to make, and the very last thing we need is those stupid idiots telling people not to wear condoms because the only protection they need is to stay faithful.

Indeed, according to the Catholic church sex is entirely for procreation... which is probably why my brother's friend has so many brothers and sisters. The protestant church however are more leniant on contraceptives although isn't most of the religion in Africa Islam and Totemism anyway?

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[Namaste]

surely its common sense? if everyone stuck to one partner then the spead of the disease would slow as fewer people were being infected via different partners.

Maybe I shoulda quoted this...

The reason why AIDS is so prevalent in Africa is because they are deeply, deeply promiscuous. Simple as.

[morrocan roll]

Originally posted by Aladdin

For the Catholic Church to say "well if you obeyed 'God's Decree' :rolleyes: and stayed monogamous nothing would happen" is simply evil. .

you know my feelings toward the catholic church but i think the above statement is a bit naieve (sp) aladdin.
the whole idea of religous belief is to seperate oneself from the life of lust and materialism of the world and to aim for higher ...or other things. there is nothing wrong with someone believing and teaching marital/sexual/moral issues that we don't like.
those who don't agree should not be catholics.
if you join a men only club and you know the rules, the standards etc that are expected of you ...you wouldn't expect to be let in with a female. if you disagree then go and join some other club.
this is why i cant understand why gay people want to join the church of england. go and start your bloody own in stead of dismantling someone elses.
i would still love to see the destruction of all organised religion though. i believe it will destroy itself before long.

[Aladdin]

I disagree mate.

Regardless of whatever their rules might say, many people will find it impossible to stay monogamous or to have sex only within matrimony. Just as every last person in the world has had at some point 'impure thoughts', regardless of divine commandments or threats of fiery demons and eternal hell.

And since that is the score, it is extremely idiotic and irresponsible at best (although I rather see it as manslaughter) for the fat one and his minions to say that as well as being against god, condoms are useless against HIV, and that staying monogamous as per god's decree is all the protection a catholic needs.

The catholic church is unfit to give any kind of health advice and should shut the fuck up.

[Paul_2]

Catholicism may be bad, but its still a million times better than Islam.

[girl with sharp teeth]

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[BeckyBoo]

Can you remember a while ago I posted about me being CofE and daughter going to Catholic school, anyway just to let you know she is not going to take her First Holy Communion. If we wanted her converting then its like a big ceremony type thing and basically we decided to leave her till she is old enough to make her own mind up.
She wasn't very happy that she would not be taking the First Holy Communion but at the end of the day I think its best left till she is older.

[Aladdin]

LOL. Don't let bigotry and ignorance blind you Paul.

For you information, Islam was teaching Christianity many lessons about harmony, tolerance and respect for women as long ago as the the 11th century. The Christians were the original barbarians, and in many parts of the world little has changed.

Sadly there will always be a few idiots who use their religion as a pretext to commit atrocities. Muslims extremists for instance. Or George W. Bush.

[Kermit]

And you have proof of this?

It makes perfect sense. Without meaning to sound hateful, if everyone only had one sexual partner then the spread of HIV and AIDs would practically stop- the main ways of spreading HIV are through sex (and the more sex you have, the more likely you are to catch ANY STD) and drug needles. If each HIV+ person only slept with one person, then at the very most only one more person would catch the disease. Its simple biology.

let's not forget that HIV is a problem in this country too, with heterosexual cases now growing faster than homosexual cases or drug-related ones.

Its not an African problem solely, and if it sounded like I was having a go at Africa then thats unfortunate. Its a global problem, and in the UK the problem is women especially having unprotected sex. Hence why the Catholic Church's position on condoms is ridiculous.

Not the fiercest promises of eternal hell and pain are going to stop people from sleeping with more than one partner.

Not everyone is promiscuous. It depends on when and where you find "the one" really.

the very last thing we need is those stupid idiots telling people not to wear condoms because the only protection they need is to stay faithful.
The catholic church is unfit to give any kind of health advice and should shut the fuck up.

And therein lies the problem. People should aim to be faithful to one partner, the idea doesnt crop up in every single world religion, monotheistic or multitheistic for nothing. To say condoms dont protect against HIV is as dangerous as the African myth that sleeping with a virgin cures you of HIV, and for that the Catholic Church should be deeply deeply ashamed of itself.

But the simple fact does remain that no-one would get the clap if no-one slept around.

[quote]Catholicism may be bad, but its still a million times better than Islam.

Ever read the Koran?
No?

Well fuck off then.

[LadyJade]

No need to get personal, people...............

And just a reminder not to make sweeping generalisations about a group of people that could be considered defamatory, hateful or profane.......... Please back up your opinions with facts.

[Dear Wendy]

Who here has read the Quran?
All of it, not just random passages?

Who here has even read all of the Bible?
And would it even matter if you haven't read the two in their original language?

People get quotes from the two, and build their perception out of those.

[Aladdin]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
Who here has read the Quran?
All of it, not just random passages?
Let's pray that Ashia doesn't check this forum any time soon... ;)

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by Aladdin
Let's pray that Ashia doesn't check this forum any time soon... ;)

I don't even believe that she has.

She can have been taught in a Muslim school, going around in Muslim circles etc. but never read the Quran from one end to another.

[Toadborg]

Originally posted by LadyJade
No need to get personal, people...............



You must have noticed that Paul 2 has never made a sensible comment on here though.................:rolleyes:

[Namaste]

Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
Who here has even read all of the Bible?
And would it even matter if you haven't read the two in their original language?[B]

*Puts her hand in the air* I used to be a devout Christian and I have a few things to say on the matter...

[b]the whole idea of religous belief is to seperate oneself from the life of lust and materialism of the world and to aim for higher ...or other things.

Ok, I'll start on this. I respect your belief Mr Roll and it is very applicable to most world religions, however... I'd argue that there's a difference between original texts and how the church has interpretted and enforced it. I have so far of all religious texts only studied the Bible.

According to Jesus we should live our life "in all fullness" (Jn 10:10) and you could interpret this in a multitude of ways. Living life to its fullest to one person could be seeing the world and to another, just chilling with some smokes. In fact the Bible teaches a lot of very relevent values... yet at the same time it's been twisted by the Churches in to something homophobic and mysoginist and power hungry (as well as some gospels having been left out). For example, in the third centuary St Augustine emphasised the importance of fidelity, of keeping to one partner... and then goes to blame women for tempting men in to evil ways.

Yet the Bible, if you look deeply enough in to certain parts of it is not mysoginistic at all (apart from Paul... him and his homophobic fascist letters). Women have a role to play... but then they're mostly virgins or widows which, maybe backs up what Augustine said in some ways.

Catholicism may be bad, but its still a million times better than Islam.

By attempting to compare an organised religion to a denomination of Christianity, I immediately assume that you have no idea what you're on about.