School for Gay people ???

[byny]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3105121.stm

Personally I think its terrible that its seen as a good idea to separate Gay pupils (With their consent naturally) from other pupils.

They should be dealing with the problem of bullying, NOT taking Gay students away from others ...it just sends out the wrong message.

Deal with the bullies thats what I say!!

[Zero II]

I have to say I think it's a bad idea as well. There's no way gay kida should be treated differently or taken out of mainstream education without good reason. You're right byny - deal with the homophobes - they're the ones with the problems.

[Shogun]

Yes deal with the bullies but this is a good idea though, gays are always going to picked on, they aren't 'normal', if you have schools for gays with no bullies then both types of schools will be better off, shouldn't this be in the debate board?

[Olive]

:rolleyes:

how do you teach kids that people are 'different'?

by isolating them in their own little schools.

kids need to be taught that gay people (and disabled people/foreign people/ginger people/whatever) are just the same as them and deserve all the same things they do. otherwise they will start to see them as something different to be feared or made fun of.

[Simba T Lion]

i saw a show about that one time (imagine that its in texas :rolleyes: ) and i personally dont agree with it. not only for the fact that its not even an accredited school, but also for the reasons seperating gay people like they are different. though i'm not totally agaisnt it because it is the students choice. they know what they are getting into. and i think that if they want to go to a school like that then that is totally ok. to an extent i dont see anythign wrong with wanting to be in a place that is filled with people more like yourself. a place where they could fit in just a little more. but only because we live in a place where there still are people that are prejudice against them and treat them like shit and different.

[VinylVicky]

when your that age, how can you be totally sure what you are anyway? its a form of control. gay people dont need special help, they arent different from straight people, they dont need extra care, and you dont go to school because of your sexuality...you go to learn :confused:

[BeckyBoo]

Segregating will make the problem worse Id think.

If your brought up around things then it becomes kind of just normal, if your never around Gay people then thats when people begin to start thinking its wrong or whatever.
Go back years ago if you were gay you would never come out as they say, once people were more open about their sexuality then people started telling people and not being afraid to admit to their sexuality.

Silly idea me thinks :)

[Hellfire]

Well If you have Read Why me and read what happened to me you would know im shit scared of them But even i have a standard and that is to low aslong as they dont come on to me or come REALLY close to me i aint got a problem im nervous and scared around them but at this time in moment it is undersnadable But i do think it is wrong to seperate them and What about Bisexuals Where do you put them Gay school or Normal school

Ok im scared of them but that is to low

[EssEmm]

Funny topic.

In this country, certain children are taken away from their friends at the age of five and put in seperate, state-funded, schools, yet a large percentage of the population see no problem with it.

[The Doc]

Originally posted by Rude_boyz
Well If you have Read Why me and read what happened to me you would know im shit scared of them But even i have a standard ...........as they dont come on to me or come REALLY close to me i aint got a problem im nervous and scared around them

:lol: You are afraid of gay people because "supposedly" a couple tried to pull your trousers on? If a woman tried to rape you....OK, well not rape but sexually assualt you, would you be afraid of them? If it really happened, which I am not questioning, why are you not afraid of all men, irrespetive of their sexuality? Who's to say they were gay. There are cases where straight men remove clothes as part of a mugging.

Sorry, that's not the point of the thread. The USA has only just completely gotten rid of white/black segregated schools, and now they are having special schools for gays? They are not disabled in anyway and therefore do not deserve their own school. I wouldn't normally agree with conservative views, but I do on this.

[byny]

Originally posted by Rude_boyz
Well If you have Read Why me and read what happened to me you would know im shit scared of them But even i have a standard and that is to low aslong as they dont come on to me or come REALLY close to me i aint got a problem im nervous and scared around them but at this time in moment it is undersnadable But i do think it is wrong to seperate them and What about Bisexuals Where do you put them Gay school or Normal school

Ok im scared of them but that is to low

This is rediculous! I do sympathise with the situation you found yourself in but I really think you should think a bit more about what you are saying. You say you are 'scared of them' who do you mean by them? Not all gay people are rapists, just as not all men are rapists and not all paedophiles are gay!!

Hopefully you have listened to the advice given in the thread you started and spoken to someone about the trauma you say you have experienced, Try a counsellor or something before you get too homophobic!

Also - can you not use the phrase 'normal school' please as it suggests you believe that gay people ar abnormal!!

Frankly your attitude is very scary and immature and suggests that you have not engaged your brain vefore talking! The world is made up of all sorts of people and the sooner you get out and meet a few of thes diverse communities out in the world the sooner you will realise that people cannot be put in little boxes marked 'scary' and 'not scary' PLEASE...get some help!

[D'OHnut]

More effort should be used to ensure that both homosexual and hetrosexual people live harmoniously within society, not segregated into groups so that this evident divides becomes increasingly apparent. What will be next? Seperating people into different neighbours on the basis of their sexuality? How ludicirous!

[molo]

everyone will have a go at me but..

don't you think there would be a lot of clit lickin and bumming goin on in the toilets?

these teenagers jus found out their gay and then all of a sudden every student around them is gay?

[Simbelyne]

Itdss qyuite clearkly BOLOOCKS. RTthe way to solcve harassnment is to ecducate ppl that theres nothing 'icky' aor wtrong or different with homosexuality. It as as mnsatural as you are., Stupifd gay rights wankers.

[Franglais]

hmmm, now all those who think the boy dubbya is a fascist say aye.....
it would only happen in america tho.... which means britain will be doing it before you can say sexual discrimination... 52nd state and the dog follows the stick...... the "stick and carrot method" of truman and his doctrines anyone?maybe they will find a senator mccarthy figure and run a house of un-american activities all over again..... remember kids the gayman is takin over your goddam country with a red flag

[D'OHnut]

Originally posted by molo
don't you think there would be a lot of clit lickin and bumming goin on in the toilets?

Do hetrosexual people do "a lot" of shagging and things in the toilets at school? I certainly didn't and don't at uni!

This is a good example of the foolish misconceptions of homosexuality.

[molo]

Originally posted by D'OHnut
Do hetrosexual people do "a lot" of shagging and things in the toilets at school? I certainly didn't and don't at uni!

This is a good example of the foolish misconceptions of homosexuality.

how is it foolish??

i know you would all love homosexuality to be 'normal' for some strange reason, but you can't compare the two can you.

and hetrosexual people do a lot of shaggin and things in most school, jus cus you didn't get your hundreds and thousands in someones jam.

i'm saying this because i'm guessin its kinda hard and scary for young homosexuals to find and go for people they like. but as soon as they know for definate whose gay and whose not.....


'foolish' whatever.

[byny]

Originally posted by molo
everyone will have a go at me but..

don't you think there would be a lot of clit lickin and bumming goin on in the toilets?

these teenagers jus found out their gay and then all of a sudden every student around them is gay?

So in your world a heterosexual man fancies EVERY woman he sees, and a Gay man fancies EVERY man he sees...it just doesn't work like that!!

[D'OHnut]

Originally posted by molo

i'm saying this because i'm guessin its kinda hard and scary for young homosexuals to find and go for people they like. but as soon as they know for definate whose gay and whose not.....

What? Nonsense. I have it! Why doesn't my girlfriend and I have sex in the street... :rolleyes:

[Kurt]

I think everything sane that could be said about this has been said already so I'm not even going to bother going off on one.

Tis just fooked up :eek2:

[D'OHnut]

It's pathetically inaccurate to assume that homosexuals are going to instantly jump into bed (or go into the toilets) with any other homosexual person they see (oh, there's one! Let's go! Oh, there's another...). It does not work like this. In fact, I am confident it's precisely the same as for hetrosexuals, i.e. based upon attraction and interest.

[molo]

i could sit here and explain my points but you wouldn't fucking listen anyway. because it seems you feel you have to stick up for homosexuals and fight their battles. blah blah blah.

yes lets try make him look stupid.

all these homosexuals are going to be really mature and not want to experiment at all since there at school...


fuck off.

[D'OHnut]

Originally posted by molo
i could sit here and explain my points but you wouldn't fucking listen anyway. because it seems you feel you have to stick up for homosexuals and fight their battles. blah blah blah.

I stick up for those that cannot represent themselves, be them gay, black, disabled or anything else.

all these homosexuals are going to be really mature and not want to experiment at all since there at school...

lol. You don't understand that homosexuals, besides being of a different sexual orientation, are no different that us hetrosexuals.

[molo]

Originally posted by D'OHnut
I stick up for those that cannot represent themselves, be them gay, black, disabled or anything else.



lol. You don't understand that homosexuals, besides being of a different sexual orientation, are no different that us hetrosexuals.

yes i'm glad i'm amusing to you with your much higher intelligence but if you actually took the time to read what i'm sayin instead of of guessing an idea from quickly scanning.

i'm sure if they are the same they can represent themselves, and of course no hetrosexuals want to experiment.....

can you not see how it would be a chance for them to hook up? then think about how old they are, there at school, eager to try things..
it is clearly much easier for hetrosexuals to get with someone they like. what with the new schools, it will then be jus as easy for homo's as they will not have to worry 'what if there not gay'


please please read what i'm actually saying, instead of fallin to the level of makin me look stupid and laughable to increase the size of your head.
thank you.

[D'OHnut]

Originally posted by molo

can you not see how it would be a chance for them to hook up? then think about how old they are, there at school, eager to try things..
it is clearly much easier for hetrosexuals to get with someone they like. what with the new schools, it will then be jus as easy for homo's as they will not have to worry 'what if there not gay'


Are there any gays to represent themselves? No. So who else will? You? I doubt it.

Yes, of course it would be easier for homosexuals to meet others because they'd all be in the same area. So?

[byny]

Originally posted by molo


yes lets try make him look stupid.


fuck off.

No need mate...you're doing a good enough job all by yourself!

[Lil Laura]

Um.. I think molo may actually have a point :rolleyes:

Obviously, just because they are surrounded by other homosexuals doesn't mean they'll all fancy each other. Just like among heterosexual people.

But I think molo may have a point with the experimentation thing..

At the age these students would be (which I think is ridiculous - at that age they may not know their sexuality entirely, and certainly not want the world to know about it) in a 'normal' school environment (sorry for use of the word normal, I know it's not appropriate) they would be surrounded by mostly heterosexual people. It would be harder for them to find people that they could possibly form relationships with.

If they are surrounded by gay people, then if they fancy someone, they know that the person is gay, rather than thinking 'he/she is probably straight, oh well, it's just a fantasy'.

And, from experience with gay friends, I can say it seems to me that because of the lack of 'definately gay' people around them, when they know someone is gay they are more likely to be attracted to them. Just in my experience.

Obviously it doesn't mean that there will be any more sexual goings on than in a 'straight' school, but I think molo does have a point.

Apologies if this makes no sense, or if I haven't put my point across well. I'm tired :)

[molo]

Originally posted by byny
No need mate...you're doing a good enough job all by yourself!

so i'm stupid because i typed in 'fuck off'

good grounds.

i'm sorry i ever doubted the homosexuals, the best type of people on the earth, who will all be perfectly well behaved when thrown into a world where they now have a much better chance with someone, at a time where their hormones are going crazy.


get real. i'm going to bed now so you can all have a good laugh at how ignorent and homophobic i am. hope you enjoy yourself.

[Kurt]

Originally posted by molo
please please read what i'm actually saying, instead of fallin to the level of makin me look stupid and laughable

Oops, too late.

You really haven't thought this through have you? It sounds like you're trying to encourage underage sex with random people, it doesn't matter what way your door swings. What would the school's name be, the School of STDs?

[D'OHnut]

Originally posted by Lil Laura
Um.. I think molo may actually have a point :rolleyes:

Obviously, just because they are surrounded by other homosexuals doesn't mean they'll all fancy each other. Just like among heterosexual people.

But I think molo may have a point with the experimentation thing..

At the age these students would be (which I think is ridiculous - at that age they may not know their sexuality entirely, and certainly not want the world to know about it) in a 'normal' school environment (sorry for use of the word normal, I know it's not appropriate) they would be surrounded by mostly heterosexual people. It would be harder for them to find people that they could possibly form relationships with.

If they are surrounded by gay people, then if they fancy someone, they know that the person is gay, rather than thinking 'he/she is probably straight, oh well, it's just a fantasy'.

And, from experience with gay friends, I can say it seems to me that because of the lack of 'definately gay' people around them, when they know someone is gay they are more likely to be attracted to them. Just in my experience.

Obviously it doesn't mean that there will be any more sexual goings on than in a 'straight' school, but I think molo does have a point.
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Yeah, it would be easier for them because they would know that they are gay or bi sexual. But Molo was suggesting that they'd be jumping into bed with one another and suchlike which would be no more the case than with hetrosexuals.

[Kurt]

Orientation really doesn't have anything to do with it. At the end of the day you go to school for an education, not too hook up in the toilets. And if you are to go to this school, you'd have to be gay already yes? How many people who are homosexual admit this when they're 16 or under? If you're gay you're gay, there's no need for 'experimentation'.

[EssEmm]

Just a thought - Would you have to be gay to work there? Or more so, would it be frowned upon if a teacher there wasn't gay?

The state-funded seperate schools in these parts like to employ 'their own', and rarely employ anyone 'different', even when it comes to jobs like dinner lady and janitor.

Why should it be different?

[D'OHnut]

Originally posted by Kurt
At the end of the day you go to school for an education, not too hook up in the toilets.

:yes:

I wonder what the knock-on effects would be. Would these people work in gay-only firms with only gay employees?

What needs to be further addressed is the sexual discrimination, perhaps at school.

[byny]

Originally posted by molo
so i'm stupid because i typed in 'fuck off'

good grounds.



Now thats not what i meant and you know it young man!! Swearing Shmearing...I meant your other pathetic 'arguments'.

Sorry if I confused you!

[EssEmm]

Originally posted by D'OHnut
:yes:

I wonder what the knock-on effects would be. Would these people work in gay-only firms with only gay employees?


Like Vaseline? Or at the Babycham brewery?

You might get hetrosexual people going to the new school to be trendy or to be different. Like the 'token straight' person.

[D'OHnut]

Originally posted by EssEmm
You might get hetrosexual people going to the new school to be trendy or to be different. Like the 'token straight' person.

It seems to me that we're going backwards, not forwards. Work on educating people! It's like seperating black people from white people or the rich from the poor. It should not happen. Integration and education are the key to success.

[Kurt]

Just think how the students who attend this school would be treated by the small minded kids and even adults of the surrounding area. They'd be waiting for them at the gates baying for their blood, no doubt about it. It's just a bad idea on so many levels.

[monocrat]

I think it's better to challenge homophobia than surrender and create an all gay school.

[BumbleBee]

Originally posted by monocrat
I think it's better to challenge homophobia than surrender and create an all gay school.
Did I miss something?

When did you come up with something sensible to say? :eek2: :eek2:

[Fairytale_Girly]

Don't we have schools separated according to religion and gender already?

We also have fee-paying and state schools?

Is this just like that?

It seems odd that we can allow seperation of this form in schools yet the law & equal opportunities would be down on you like a tonne of bricks if an employer only employed women, or Sikhs ...

if school is supposed to teach us subjects and equip us for life surely this form of separation is bizarre when it isn't allowed in other aspects of society?

Separation leads to people not learning about differences and celebrating them ... it perpetuates lack of understanding & intolerance

But thats just my opinion ;)

[EssEmm]

Originally posted by Fairytale_Girly
Don't we have schools separated according to religion and gender already?

We also have fee-paying and state schools?

Is this just like that?

It seems odd that we can allow seperation of this form in schools yet the law & equal opportunities would be down on you like a tonne of bricks if an employer only employed women, or Sikhs ...

if school is supposed to teach us subjects and equip us for life surely this form of separation is bizarre when it isn't allowed in other aspects of society?

Separation leads to people not learning about differences and celebrating them ... it perpetuates lack of understanding & intolerance

But thats just my opinion ;)

*applauds* :thumb:

Finally, some sense in this thread :yes:

(Your post is quality because it totally coincides with my opinion :))

[Kurt]

Umm.. they have schools for different religions because for parents who want religion to be in their child's lives these are the places they are taught in such matters. R.E anyone? The same goes for other religions.

Just try to have a think before you say something, yeah? You might look back and wonder how you could write such pap.

[EssEmm]

Originally posted by Kurt
Umm.. they have schools for different religions because for parents who want religion to be in their child's lives these are the places they are taught in such matters. R.E anyone? The same goes for other religions.

Just try to have a think before you say something, yeah? You might look back and wonder how you could write such pap.

Seperate schools are fine, but they shouldn't be state funded.

If you want a seperate education then you should have to pay for it.

[pnjsurferpoet]

I think it's a good idea. It's difficult to watch out 24/7 for bullies...there's too many places off campus that bullies could get them.

Also NYC has separate schools for kids going into the performning arts, math geniuses, etc. so it's not as odd as it sounds.

[EssEmm]

Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
I think it's a good idea. It's difficult to watch out 24/7 for bullies...there's too many places off campus that bullies could get them.

Also NYC has separate schools for kids going into the performning arts, math geniuses, etc. so it's not as odd as it sounds.

Totally different!

Schools like that are for pupils to excel in what they're good at. A school for gays is hardly going to help pupils 'excel in being gay'.

[Fairytale_Girly]

Kurt, I do think about what I want to say before I make a posting, its one's of those things that I find useful in life, along with not insulting people's points of view.

There are some who argue that religion and it's teaching should be taken out of the education system entirely believing it is the guardian's and organised religion's "job" to educate young people in those matters ... I believe this is the case in the French system, although I'm not 100% sure on that

I don't share that belief as I think different religions and traditions should be taught alongside the need for respecting those who are of differing faiths ... then again I also endorse the teaching of ancient philosophy and the works of Plato, Aristotle etc ... and perhaps am also in favour of the teaching about more 'new age' religions

But many oppose this believing that school-age children cannot handle this big issues and thoughts ... my answer is how do they (adults, government even parents) know this unless they open up the possibility.

How can you learn about those perhaps different to yourself, and accept them as maybe different but equal if they are shut away in different schools?

Is this not a ploy for 'out of sight out of mind' as were Jewish Ghettos under Nazi rule?

Embrace & celebrate differences ... don't hide them away

Stand proud to be who you are ... sooner or later people will recognise your inner strength and be completely amazed & inspired by it

Stay true!

[Creeper]

Do they teach the YMCA in P.E? :p nah I'm kidding.

Well, I dunno what I'll say about this one. I'm against private education and seperating different socio-economic groupings, but gay and straight kids?

[hobbs]

Originally posted by Fairytale_Girly

There are some who argue that religion and it's teaching should be taken out of the education system entirely believing it is the guardian's and organised religion's "job" to educate young people in those matters ... I believe this is the case in the French system, although I'm not 100% sure on that

In my experience of france (lived/worked and studied there for a year) the church (RC) plays a bigger role that it does in the UK. I think this is the same for Spain & Italy, that family are still catholic even if they dont practice, and still encourage their kids to go through communion even if they only go to church once a year them self. Whether this is right or wrong is irrlevant in this discussion, I'm just coloborating what you say.

within this discussion I haven't read the whole thread but surly part of school is about learning social skills, integration and learning about diversity. In my opinion a school for gays would hardly help any of this.

[Fairytale_Girly]

Originally posted by hobbs
In my experience of france (lived/worked and studied there for a year) the church (RC) plays a bigger role that it does in the UK. I think this is the same for Spain & Italy, that family are still catholic even if they dont practice, and still encourage their kids to go through communion even if they only go to church once a year them self. Whether this is right or wrong is irrlevant in this discussion, I'm just coloborating what you say.

Thanks for that Hobbs ... as I said I wasn't sure on that one :)

Although as I understand (from vague recollections of GCSE French here :P) that in schools they have a form of education civique which is like citizenship.

Do members of the Gay and Bi communities really face so much difficulties within the education system? There are those that are openly gay, lesbian & bisexual at my 6th Form and it doesn't seem to be an issue for anyone. I don't categorise my friends according to their sexuality, they are who they are.

But perhaps I'm just lucky in my school? Or perhaps there's more prejudice lower down the school (we start at yr9). I'm not saying that people don't face bullying as a result of their sexuality but it seems that human nature enjoys picking on others ...

I was overweight when I was younger - I was picked on coz of that. Others are bullied for having ginger hair, wearing glasses, different clothing, wealth, manner of speaking, homelife, religion ... people can be picked on for anything and everything it seems, sexuality is perhaps another one in that long list

[hobbs]

Originally posted by Fairytale_Girly
Thanks for that Hobbs ... as I said I wasn't sure on that one :)

*sidetracks*

I have a lasting memory of the family I lived with in france for a few months. on palm sunday they went to church (the only time in 5 months) and got given a bit of palm leaf to take and home and tie to the crucifix that hung on the kitchen wall. well this proved quite difficult and the language used to cuss the leaf and bit of wood made me wonder if she really cared about what she was doing...

[Creeper]

What school do you go to if you're bisexual?