Yanks Shoot Protesters Dead

[Heydrich]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/16/1050172608832.html

http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1050172608853_2003/04/16/16war_protest,0.jpg

. . . .United States troops opened fire on a crowd hostile to the new pro-American governor in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul yesterday, killing at least 10 people and injuring as many as 100, witnesses and doctors said. . . .

Welcome to deMOCKRCY, where Yankees and Jews choose your leaders.

"Our blood and our soul we give to Iraq!"

[pnjsurferpoet]

Not true, as told by the people I believe: my government and the troops that were there.

Logically, one of the points of our being there now is for better relations with the Arabs.

There were shots, probably, from the human sacrifice cult of the Arab world.

[Heydrich]

Not true, as told by the people I believe: my government and the troops that were there.

To KILL Iraqi civilians, to shoot them dead in their OWN streets. To END their independence.

Logically, one of the points of our being there now is for better relations with the Arabs.

This is about as ridiculous as saying the 9/11 terrorists hit the world trade center in order to “improve relations with America.”

Good

http://goddoubleplusblessamerica.org/jest/card-shock_and_awe_iraq.jpg

Evil

http://goddoubleplusblessamerica.org/jest/card-shock_and_awe_us_soil.jpg

There were shots, probably, from the human sacrifice cult of the Arab world.

There were shots fired by Yankees, into a crowd of Iraqi civilians in their own country, who were protesting the installation of a dictator supported by the American military upon their own sovereign soil.

[Man Of Kent]

Heydrich, anychance you can post links, rather than the pictures? Apart from taking me ages to download, this site is aimed at teens and some of your pictures are a little graphic... not sure that will be appreciated.

As for your actual position... you undermine it by admitting to being a racist.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by Heydrich



Welcome to deMOCKRCY, where Yankees and Jews choose your leaders.
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Think I can find you the perfect friend in here. Not the only one with that stance...

[Semper Eadem]

Not its your interests I suppose to post pictures of Saddams regime though is it ;)

Leftists propaganda, will stop at nothing to get thier twisted view across.

[Darth Fred]

Originally posted by Semper Eadem
Not its your interests I suppose to post pictures of Saddams regime though is it ;)

Leftists propaganda, will stop at nothing to get thier twisted view across.

Neither will rightists, so don't attribute this kind of behaviour purely to leftists. Both sides do it. After all, we now live in the glorious age of spin doctors and soundbite politics.

[Semper Eadem]

I try not to personally, though I admit to having a special place in the heart for the Iraqi Information Minister ;)

[pnjsurferpoet]

You're right Jac.;)

Hey Jac, did you read that racists have lower I.Q.'s than people who aren't racist? It's true. They don't have the intelligence to distinguish the differences among people.

Hey man. You're so right. What was America thinking when it let all of those Jews in...like Einstein? I mean, what did he contribute to America and the world?

[Heydrich]

You're right Jac. Hey Jac, did you read that racists have lower I.Q.'s than people who aren't racist? It's true. They don't have the intelligence to distinguish the differences among people.

I would be willing to compare my grasp of political science and history to yours anyday.

Hey man. You're so right. What was America thinking when it let all of those Jews in...like Einstein?

You mean the traitor who supported the Rosenbergs?

I mean, what did he contribute to America and the world?

Well he helped arm the Soviet Union with nuclear weapons by supporting the Rosenbergs. I suppose that is a blessing indeed.

[Man Of Kent]

Whereas Heydrich came up with the extermination camp.

[Heydrich]

Whereas Heydrich came up with the extermination camp.

What should we call it, Auschwitz or Oklahoma Territory?

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Heydrich
What should we call it, Auschwitz or Oklahoma Territory?

Call it what you like, personally I thought Treblinka had a nice ring to it.

Or perhaps Belsen.

In fact, I'm sure that you have a list there some where. One of your "must see" places?

Worth noting, that of your two examples above, only one of them has gas chambers, only one was designed with the sole intention of killing as many people as possible in the shortest possible time, in the most cost effective manner.

And it wasn't the one in the US.

[Heydrich]

Worth noting, that of your two examples above, only one of them has gas chambers, only one was designed with the sole intention of killing as many people as possible in the shortest possible time, in the most cost effective manner.

Gassing someone is only one means of killing them. Indeed, we gas prisoners in the United States all the time to this day. There are more effective American ways of exterminating populations in order to make way for transcontinental railroads. One effective method is to annihilate the food supply of indigenous populations, such as the Buffalo, in order to deliberately starve to death women and children in the dead of winter. Of course, occassionally it is possible to engineer artificial famines as was the case of the Irish and the East Indians under British rule. One effective British strategy of supressing Indian insurrections in the Mississippi Valley was deliberately giving Indians blankets infested with the smallpox virus as a crude biological weapon to wipe them out by the thousands. William T. Sherman described this as "the final solution to the indian problem." In a December 18, 1890 letter to the New York Times Sherman expressed his deep disappointment over the fact that, were it not for "civilian interference," his army would have "gotten rid of them all" and killed every last Indian in America. (Marszalek, p. 400). This strategy can be modified depending upon the terrain of the country involved, like in Vietnam when America deliberately attempted to annihilate the Vietnamense food supply by blowing up dams to starve millions of people to death or in Iraq where it targeted water purification systems in order to encourage the spread of lethal bacteria. Unlike poisonous gas, which kills relatively quickly, mass starvation is a more painful way to deal with such "savages."

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Heydrich
In a December 18, 1890 letter

Please remind me when the War of Independance took place...

[Heydrich]

Please remind me when the War of Independance took place...

We are not discussing the Revolutionary Era. GG

[Man Of Kent]

No, you are talking about the era after the revolution.]


You know, there weren't many railroads around in the 1770s

[Heydrich]

No, you are talking about the era after the revolution. You know, there weren't many railroads around in the 1770s

I never suggested that. I was discussing William T. Sherman's actions in the Reconstruction Era and the Gilded Age from 1865-1890.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Heydrich
I never suggested that. I was discussing William T. Sherman's actions in the Reconstruction Era and the Gilded Age from 1865-1890.

and what the hell has that got to do with me, a British citizen?

Or is this your way of avoiding any discussion about your namesake's plans for the Jews? Is this you attempting to avoid a discussion about Auschwiitz?

[morrocan roll]

i find heydrich a very interesting and knowledgeable man.

[pnjsurferpoet]

i find heydrich a very interesting and knowledgeable man. :rolleyes:

I didn't say a thing. *smirk*

[Heydrich]

and what the hell has that got to do with me, a British citizen?

It is not incumbent upon you to respond to anything I post.

Or is this your way of avoiding any discussion about your namesake's plans for the Jews?

I have no sympathy whatsoever for traitors who use their influence abroad to start world wars. I have no sympathy for Jewish warmongers like Morgenthau who are responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans. I do not sympathize with the Jewish war against Europe anymore than I sympathize with today’s proxy Jewish war against Iraq and tomorrow’s Jewish war against Iran and Syria.

Is this you attempting to avoid a discussion about Auschwiitz?

The only regret I have about Auschwitz is that we cannot reopen the damn thing and send Richard Perle, Ariel Sharon, Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, Ari Fleischer, Norm Podhoretz, David Horowitz and every other one of today’s Jewish chickenhawk neoconservative warmongers to the gas chambers.

[pnjsurferpoet]

Turns out this story is a lie.


Iran has sent 5,000 Muslim nut-jobs into Iraq to kill themselves as well as Iraqi citizens. They shot at the crowd from roof tops as well as from within the in order to screw up the coalition's efforts. They want a Shi'it Muslim state....not a democracy since Iraq is mostly Shi'it.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
Whereas Heydrich came up with the extermination camp.

Youre on dodgy territory there MoK, dont ever forget the British invented concentration camps, and especially when it came to the camps for black Boers, they were little more than death camps.

[Kermit]

Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
Turns out this story is a lie.


Iran has sent 5,000 Muslim nut-jobs into Iraq to kill themselves as well as Iraqi citizens. They shot at the crowd from roof tops as well as from within the in order to screw up the coalition's efforts. They want a Shi'it Muslim state....not a democracy since Iraq is mostly Shi'it.

But dont the Iraqis get to choose? Youll be buggered if they choose to end democracy like they did in Iran.

Oh, silly me, the colation wont allow real choice.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Kermit
Youre on dodgy territory there MoK

Indeed I am, the ice is verythin under my feet on this issue.

Difference is that I don't deny that it happened, nor do I defend it. The other aspect worth considering is that the extermination camp was designed to kill as many people as possible, in as short a time as possible and in the most cost effective way.

No other goal but genocide.

The British may have acted in a way which offends me, but nothing they did in the Boer War compares to that.

[pnjsurferpoet]

Oh, silly me, the colation wont allow real choice.


A radical Islamic nation is no choice. Iranians don't even want it anymore....the military and less than 100 clerics keep that country in line.

The World's political agenda will be set by the US and its allies.

[Clandestine]

The World's ploitical agenda will be set by the US and its allies

And if that be the case then you admit that you subscribe to the notion of imperialism and conquest. So much for the self determination and sovereignty of nations! :rolleyes:

And in time when, like all great empires, even our mighty nation enters its decline, will you be so willing to accept the domination and dictates of the next nation or bloc of nations which will assume pre-eminence?

I highly doubt you have thought your bravado laden claims through to that logical conclusion.

Truth be told, with ignorant claims like this becoming the norm in the US it may well not be long before we have no allies whatsoever. I doubt even the UK would long tolerate a indiscriminate and flagrant abuse of our might in such a manner.

[pnjsurferpoet]

France, Belguim and Germany showed their hands Clandestine. America knows their agenda and that we're not at war with your adopted country, but we don't view them as turstworthy allies either.

[Clandestine]

Once again speaking of what you have neither the academic nor professional credentials to claim. Notwithstanding that fact, your response had nothing whatseover to do with the points put to you.

Just more of your emotional and pointless utterances. :rolleyes:

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
A radical Islamic nation is no choice.

It may the the Iraqis choice though.

Iranians don't even want it anymore....the military and less than 100 clerics keep that country in line.

You're right they don't, but they do have free elections is why they are able to move away from such a regime. Hence proving that even a radical Islamic regime can offer such progressive changes

The World's political agenda will be set by the US and its allies.

You know hoe infrequently Clandestine and I agree on things PNJ. In this instance I think the UK would back away from such a notion. We've had our empire...

You need to check on history, all empires come to an end. best the US starts planning for that now, if your statement comes to fruition.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by Clandestine
Once again speaking of what you have neither the academic nor professional credentials to claim. Notwithstanding that fact, your response had nothing whatseover to do with the points put to you.

Just more of your emotional and pointless utterances. :rolleyes:

Again... "The Irony".

Obviously, he uses the same tactic as you do.

[Clandestine]

Hardly. Although you and he do share a common lack of substantive analysis in just about every post.

[pnjsurferpoet]

Once again speaking of what you have neither the academic nor professional credentials to claim
Clandestine

Few people on the site do because, hello, the site is devoted to people in school or just entering the work force.

But since you asked for my professional credentials, I shall repond in kind sir.

I ran my own business for one day: A lemonade stand. I had three customers: My dad, my mom and the mail man.

I was hired by the town to put up American flags...all over the place.

I was hired by the town to put up Christmas lights...all over the place...while my friends followed me around singing "dick the halls" and other favorites.

I dressed like a Victorian and drove a horse and buggy for tourists. The horse had gas.

I polished the brass on yachts for wealthy and unhappy people who were elsewhere during my entire work.

[Dear Wendy]

So how is your posting tactic superior to everyone else'?

You fucking go off on the same tangent over and over again, and avoid points by highlighting things which are irellevant.
If you really do what you say you do, then I feel sorry for your emplyers paying to read bullshit as yours.

[pnjsurferpoet]

Clandestine you have no depth of understanding to see the myriad of reasons for policy that includes core values of a culture.

You also don't see the differences between people of a religion or ethnic group. Some of the wealthiest Jews in America were and are against the war. Some Jews are pro war. Some Jews don't give a darn either way. It takes intelligence to see that Clandestine.

I think my responses are more measured, fair, accurate and mature than yours.

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Clandestine
Hardly. Although you and he do share a common lack of substantive analysis in just about every post.

Wheras you offer a detailed analysis of every issue?

Don't make me laugh. You present a one-side argument just like PNJ does. Just becuase you use longer words and more obscure sources doesn't mean that your argument is any more valid than his. Just because people don't agree with your version of "the truth" doesn't mean that they haven't carried out their own analysis.

What these two people do offer though is a recognition that they don't know everything. Something your arrogance prevents your from seeing about yourself.

[Clandestine]

With over 2000 posts under my belt You need only go back and see that the vast majority are more highly substantive and backed with legitimate citations than ive seen from either yourself , jacq, or pnj.

The bulk of what ive seen you post since you first showed up in this forum has consisted of either snide remarks towards me or others who dared even mention Israel in any way shape or form, or else denials of any wrongdoing by your precious Likhud Party.

As for pnj, I am in good company here in recognising that all but a handful of his posts are mere reguritations of sensationalistic and grossly distorted reports from Murdoch's media empire.

Yes this site indeed caters predominantly to those of school age, however, Ive seen far less bravado, jingoism, unquestioning acceptance of politically inspired media claims, and blind nationalism from the vast bulk of our fellow posters than either of you have ever demonstrated here.

If you wish to feel sorry for anyone jacq, feel sorry for those who like yourself think that force of arms and the excusing of our own nations' hypocrisies can ever bring about the global stability that you claim to care about.


MoK, no not every post is substantive, that I readily admit. When responding to snide remarks I confine my response to similar retorts.

And if pnj or jacq had ever aknowledged that they dont truly know what they are talking about Id be the first to welcome and respect that. What we have seen though, without fail, is continual jingoistic and sensationalistic claims about what Europe is or what it believes, etc.. by a boy who has experienced little more than his NJ beachfront world.

If he had ever asked me to attempt to correct reports he has heard or to try to clue him in to the thinking prevailing in EU discussions, I would have gladly assisted in his understanding.

And I challenge you to show how internationally respected sources like the Federation of American Scientists, MediaWatch, and other such links I have provided are considered "esoteric". To those who deal with policy matters these are well respected sources whether or not one agrees with their conclusions on any given issue.

[Dear Wendy]

Lets not forget that a great deal of those substantive posts come from perving in the sex forum...

[Clandestine]

oh gosh, god forbid anyone should ever post in the sex forum. Are you a non sexual entity then jacq? :lol:

[pnjsurferpoet]

I post articles for debate and as proof. The fact that old skool liberals are so closed minded that they can't contemplate all sides of an issue, is evidence, to me, that I am dealing with someone who has held the same opinions for years and refuses to budge or even to comtemplate that there may be more than one reason for an action by a country. Things are rarely ever black or white...good or bad.

[Clandestine]

Indeed, things are rarely balck and white. A fact Ive tried to get across to you too many times to count, only to be responded to with further mindless BS about Europe (or various countries within its borders).

You rarely make any point whatsoever, you merely regurgitate some sensationalist article youve read without so much as a question or contribution of well reasoned analysis.

I rarely take anything liberal or conservative on face value. You on the other hand seem to accept only that which points the blame for all the world's ills anywhere but Washington.

That is what undermines your credibility.

[Dear Wendy]

Originally posted by Clandestine
oh gosh, god forbid anyone should ever post in the sex forum. Are you a non sexual entity then jacq? :lol:

You keep on preaching about your substantive posts, and I'll remind you what a great deal of them consist of...

[Clandestine]

As Ive not posted in that forum for well unto 6 months now, I can safely say the vast majority of my posts remain confined to this forum alone.

[pnjsurferpoet]

You on the other hand seem to accept only that which points the blame for all the world's ills anywhere but Washington.

Nope. Oil does enter into this war...on all sides. Is it the only or most important issue? Nope.

I'm not allowed in the sex area of any of these sites. I gave my word to my dad.:rolleyes:

[Greenhat]

Heydrich,

Why don't you go over to Iraq and personally take part?

[Heydrich]

Heydrich, Why don't you go over to Iraq and personally take part?

A. I am not an Iraqi.

B. I respect the sovereignty of Iraq - unlike imperialists in the U.S. and the U.K.

C. I do not care who runs Iraq, a nation on the otherside of the world.

D. I do not care if Iraq is a threat to Israel, in fact, that would please me.

E. That would be a waste of time and of money.

[Greenhat]

Originally posted by Heydrich

C. I do not care who runs Iraq, a nation on the otherside of the world.
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So why do you keep whining?

[Heydrich]

So why do you keep whining?

See "B."

[Greenhat]

I suppose you support Abu Abbas as well.

[Clandestine]

I suppose you supported Suharto?

[Heydrich]

I suppose you support Abu Abbas as well.

I suppose you support the Contras.

[Greenhat]

Originally posted by Heydrich
I suppose you support the Contras.

Sure did.

Right up to the point that free elections occurred in Nicaragua and Daniel Ortega lost.

[Clandestine]

Next youll be claiming that Pinochet was legitimately and freely elected too I suppose? :rolleyes:

The Contras were intimidating and murderous thugs who had as much civilian blood on their hands as the government Washington sought to depose at the time. Of course its clear that killing civilians is acceptable to you as long as they are committed in the furtherance of Washington's perceived interests.

[Greenhat]

You were there, Clandestine? Or are you just going by third-hand information from sources who weren't there either?

I was there. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.