Thank you Tony Blair!

[Murph the Surf]

I speak for a great many Americans when I express my gratitude for your support of our cause.

I cannot believe that a great many in England, where many of the relatives still live, are against helping the USA. We would never think of doing that to you folks.

I am glad Blair is no Chamberlain.

And now time for a joke.........

The French really have a say in what goes on in the world! :) :D :lol:

[Aladdin]

A) Not 'your' cause. The cause of G.W. Bush and the oil barons, and supported by warmongering Republican supporters and people who should know better.

B) The great majority of people here are against an uncalled for and unnecessary war driven by political and financial interests; not against the people of the USA

C) Shock horror. The French are not only having a say in world affairs, but so far successfully managed to delay a war that should have been under way by now. Eventually your president will attack since it has always been his intention, but it's up to the French and others whether the UN will back you or you will have to go alone and suffer international isolation.

P.S. Remember: if it wasn't for the French you'd still be a British colony :D

[Clandestine]

A great many in the UK arent against "helping the USA", they are (as are a "great many" Americans) against blindly following the "US administration" in its bid to destabilise the middle east and further exacerbate global terrorism under the hypocritical pretext of liberating the people of Iraq and "imposing" democracy (itself a contradiction in terms).

Obviously you can't see past the simplistic knee jerk spin either.

Hey pnj, seems like we found you a playmate! :lol:

[monocrat]

Originally posted by Murph the Surf
I speak for a great many Americans when I express my gratitude for your support of our cause.

I cannot believe that a great many in England, where many of the relatives still live, are against helping the USA. We would never think of doing that to you folks.

I am glad Blair is no Chamberlain.

And now time for a joke.........

The French really have a say in what goes on in the world! :) :D :lol:

First, do you REALY need 'help' in ousting Saddam. Militarilly you are by far the most powerful nation on Earth.

Secondly, most Americans are against the war (as are, supposedly, most Brits).

[perfect***day]

The problem which you've just illustrated is that it isn't 'your cause' and it shouldn't be something in which America is the leader and the others follow. The issue is a war which will certainly cost thousands of innocent lives, so it needs to be dealt with in a serious manner without rushing into it.

As it happens, I agree with you and whilst I hate the thought of war (I know people who are going to and already in the gulf, ready to fight and maybe lose their lives) I do think it's a just cause and Saddam needs to be got rid of - something which it's becoming increasingly probable that we can't do without military action.

But careful what you say - it isn't just your battle!

[morrocan roll]

i've got a spliff in my hand. i am breaking the law. should the police attack the entire town in order to arrest me?
this great superior american military are going to kill a half a million people to get one man! taking a sledge hammer to crack a wallnut. this doesen't sound superior to me. all brawn and no brains comes to mind.
all this technology and they still cant get an individual. what happened to that osama bloke then? is he back home with mum and dad in saudi? having tea at mr bush's ranch? anyone going to war with alquida? i shut up and finish my spliff.

[Greenhat]

Originally posted by morrocan roll
this great superior american military are going to kill a half a million people to get one man!

Glad you are so capable of predicting the future...

[Murph the Surf]

Oil Barons? :D Georrge W. is going in to tidy thiings up.

France is a divsersion. Do you really think we need the U.N.?

A veto has the U.S. without the U.N.. We shall then dictate the peace. 60% of the American people support the war with Iraq.

Rant,rave, and gnash your teeth but the "arrogant" Americans will dictate the wars course. Anyone notice how the #3 man in Al-Qaeda has just been captured?

By the by Aladdin, Britain could no more hold on to America than she could the rest of her empire, France or no France!:p :D

The war will start when we are ready. The French are a silly bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys. Given the way the English have been beating up on them for centuries do you think they are an intimifating for?:lol:

Now be a good bunch of folks and hold the water bucket for us. We'll fight the bad man you are all so afraid of!
:wave:

[Clandestine]

Rah rah, guess your pickup finally got fixed there Jimmy Ray, now go don your white sheet and rush on out the meetins already started! :lol:

Yes folks, the finest example of the Rush Limbaugh school of global insight, brought to you by the the gang down at Joe's bowling alley with special thanks to the Washington spin factory! :lol:

[RoyalSubject]

We would never think of doing that to you folks.

May 10th 1941. The Blitz. 3000 people die. That's the same amount as the WTC. However we'd been having that every day for a month! Did America come to our aid? Not really, no.

This whole Chamberlain idea is stupid. The situations were completely different.

[perfect***day]

Originally posted by Murph the Surf
Anyone notice how the #3 man in Al-Qaeda has just been captured?


I believe that was by Pakistan...

[Greenhat]

Originally posted by RoyalSubject


May 10th 1941. The Blitz. 3000 people die. That's the same amount as the WTC. However we'd been having that every day for a month! Did America come to our aid? Not really, no.


Hmmm... so you didn't like those firearms we provided for your home guard, I take it? Well, you could have returned them if that is how you felt...

I guess those pilots we sent weren't of much use either. The Chinese did seem much more appreciative...

And the Navy combat patrols that let those ships of food and bullets and trucks and tanks and airplanes get to you... Could have let us know if you didn't want them, or if you would prefer we let the German U-Boats send them to the bottom of the Atlantic (they sent enough as it was).

:rolleyes:

[RoyalSubject]

The pilots you sent over? You didn't send pilots over. Eagle squadron was all volounteers. Men who saw it was only a matter of time before America HAD TO get involved with the war. Many Americans were also SOE.

The firearms for the home guard came after America joined the war when Thompsons were given to the men. The shipping protection was nothing but the US Flag yet America didnt seem to care when Germany sank it's ships. It just carried right on. The only reason we got those supplies was because of the promise of hard gelt.

Where's the gelt for Britain in this situation?

[Greenhat]

Originally posted by RoyalSubject
The pilots you sent over? You didn't send pilots over. Eagle squadron was all volounteers. Men who saw it was only a matter of time before America HAD TO get involved with the war. Many Americans were also SOE.

The firearms for the home guard came after America joined the war when Thompsons were given to the men. The shipping protection was nothing but the US Flag yet America didnt seem to care when Germany sank it's ships. It just carried right on. The only reason we got those supplies was because of the promise of hard gelt.

Where's the gelt for Britain in this situation?

Volunteers? Yep. Volunteers that somehow were allowed out of their current military contract/obligation in order to fly for Britain or China, and who ended up back in US uniform as soon as the US was officially in the war. Funny how that worked.

Shortly after Dunkirk, large numbers of civilian weapons were collected and shipped from the United States to Britain for the purpose of arming the Home Guard. After the war, Great Britain dumped them at sea.

Naval combat patrols that sank U-Boats are nothing? Really, please do a bit better research.

[Kermit]

I find it funny how selling us lots and loots of weapons in order to restart the stagnat US economy can be seen as an act of generosity. In fact, we are still in debt to the USA financially because of the war, as far as I am aware- if the US were really looking out for the old folks back home, surely itd be a donation not a transaction?

Not that they werent helpful, of course, just dont think that we owe the US anything for that. Not before 1943 anyway.

[Greenhat]

Originally posted by Kermit
I find it funny how selling us lots and loots of weapons in order to restart the stagnat US economy can be seen as an act of generosity. In fact, we are still in debt to the USA financially because of the war, as far as I am aware- if the US were really looking out for the old folks back home, surely itd be a donation not a transaction?

Not that they werent helpful, of course, just dont think that we owe the US anything for that. Not before 1943 anyway.

Guess we should have sold weapons to the Nazis and Japanese as well. Btw, you might want to do a bit of research into the facts of the small arms donation post-Dunkirk as well as the terms of Lend-Lease.

[pnjsurferpoet]

Your joke made me burst out laughing because of it being a non-joke. I don't blame the French for trying to create organizations or situations where they can still be major players, it's just beyond me why any country would want to join them as an underling. They already set the tone for the new members of the EU: "SHUT UP."

A pro-USA rally was held in Paris this weekend.

I agree with you on Tony Blair. I think in history he will be seen as someone who saved the UK from Al Qaeda at the expense of his political career.

[Toadborg]

Why in the bollocks are your prayers with Musharaff?

:crazyeyes :confused:

[Clandestine]

Because, toadborg, he's a young gullible kid who's never experienced life outside our own shores and thinks that the picture painted for him on US tv by the hawkish agenda is a comprehensive picture of the global political reality. He has about as much understanding of the nature of the Pakistani regime as he does of Europe. Absolutely zero!

[pnjsurferpoet]

Toadborg I feel that he's risking his life to get these Al Qaeda guys. He could have told the US either...go find them yourself. Or they're not in Pakistan.

[Toadborg]

You claim to be all for democracy........

He is a military dictator who rigs elections........

Do you see the flaw there?

:rolleyes:

[pnjsurferpoet]

I see that viewpoint. But Toadborg, he's keeping people from killing Americans and our friends. That's what over-rides that viewpoint.

You could argue that as bad as Saddam is, if he was protecting American lives I might support him too. You might be right. In the case of fighting Al Qaeda. Maybe.

[Clandestine]

There is no magnanimity in Musharoff, pnj. He isnt protecting American lives, he's padding his own nest by complying with the CIA. There's a vast difference there actually, that difference being that he wouldn't give two hoots for Amercians who might be killed if we didnt have an economic and indeed military gun to his head as well.

[Aladdin]

So dictatorships armed with illegal WMDs and on the brink of nuclear holocaust are okay so long as they are mates of the US administration. Whereas democracies such as Germany, France and now Turkey are to be punished for questioning the motives behind America's wishes to bomb another country.

Imagine for a second that Iran were to be seized tomorrow by ultra-fundamentalists who announced they had nuclear weapons and expressed their dislike of the US. As Iran's sworn enemy, could we yet see Saddam elevated again to America's best friend and pnj here saying his prayers with Saddam Hussein?

[Clandestine]

Im sure pnj's dad could tell him how many Americans were believing the spin in the 80's that ignored Saddam's atrocities and painted him as our man in the Middle East, fighting against the evil Kohmeni who had deposed our puppet the Shah (and his death squads - also never mentioned to the American public). If pnj had been around then, im sure his prayers would have been with Saddam as well, yes.

Ahh the mind numbing power of the US media spin machine!

[Toadborg]

Why are American lives more important than anyone elses?

If you had to kill a 1,000 Iraqis to save 2 Americans would you do it pnj?

[pnjsurferpoet]

"Why are American lives more important than others."

I don't know the others. My dad was MIA all day on 911 and so was his friend...whose pregnant wife was in our livingroom crying all day.

I don't ever want to go through that again. Nor take the chance that I would.

Aladdin. Funny thing you should mention Iran. The news reports today are all about two key Al Qaeda figures operating from Iran. Personally, and despite any fundamentalism, I can't imagine Iran sanctioning their being in Iran.

[Toadborg]

But that woman could easily have been a brazillian or a japanese lady, why are people more important because they were born on the same coloured area of the atlas as you?