what do they mean to you? [Archive]

byny

16-12-2002, 03:03 PM

OK...I'm wondering what the following peoplemean to you, how do you perceive them, Do they mean something in the world, or are they utter pants....

Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?

Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthfull looks and fake rebellion?

Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?

Bob Dylan - Poet, maser songwriter, or of no significance to music today

Bri-namite

16-12-2002, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by byny

Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?

Genuine. She's poppy, but that does't mean she aint the real deal.

Originally posted by byny

Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthfull looks and fake rebellion?

Well they are pop. To some people it might mean more because they play guitar, but I think it's a gimmick thing. Like the fake rebellion thing is. I like their music though.

Originally posted by byny

Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?

To be honest, not my cup of tea. I can't see what the fuss is about, but if I liked their music I'd probably understand it better.

Originally posted by byny

Bob Dylan - Poet, maser songwriter, or of no significance to music today

I really don't know who he is. I've head of him, but I'm not sure what he did musically. I'm so ignorant.

my name

16-12-2002, 04:10 PM

avril - havn't really heard or seen enough to really know. though that new song of hers, whatever its called, she has quite a nice voice.

busted - no idea who they are

nirvana - good while they lasted, but they are gone now. i think there is far too much hype on kurt cobain though

bob dylan - horrible horrible voice, but good songwriter.

byny

16-12-2002, 04:15 PM

ERK ...but you're 19...you should find out!! but I guess if you were going to get into him you would have done it in your late teens and you'd probably hate him if you heard his current stuff

NiteSkye

16-12-2002, 06:51 PM

Avril- I really like her album.Genuine.

Busted- don't like them.

Nirvana- not really my thing.

Bob Dylan- again not my thing.

jollyjoe

21-12-2002, 09:59 AM

Avril - eh, don't really care for her much. By the way, any white bread singer songwriter (and yes, she is quite white bread) is a marketer's wet dream, who needs a puppet? Take John Mayer for example, same stuff he was singing before he got big, just a whole lot more early teen girls listening to it.

Nirvana - some of their stuff is good, but most of it isn't really to my taste. A little too drug-depressed for my liking. I'll still sing along with "Smells like Teen Spirit" tho... it's a fun song.

Sera

21-12-2002, 10:11 AM

Avril is sexy, and I quite like her stuff :)

paperBprincess

21-12-2002, 12:49 PM

avril- liked her until i saw her live and realised how much she cannot sing to save her life

busted- should go back to playing air guitar

nirvana- set the way for so many good bands and they rocked
bob dylan, horrid voice but amazing songs

Deeeeb

21-12-2002, 01:43 PM

Avril - Just thinks she is rude

Busted - Trying to look the cool, but failing miserably

Nirvana - Good but over hyped

And who.... :blush:

Guest_

21-12-2002, 06:57 PM

Avril Lavigne - Not sure, but don't like her music.

Busted - A waste of time and energy. Cashing in.

Nirvana - Good (although not to my taste), but overrated.

Bob Dylan - I know nothing much about him.

Creeper

23-12-2002, 02:21 AM

Avril Lavigne - Yet another punk pop cash in with no attitude what so ever. Sk8tr Boi??? I mean wtf??? She plays guitar, a whole four chords per song man!!! Wow!!!

Sorry, but just like New Found Glory, another 'punk rocker' with the attitude of a teeny bopper.

Busted - Haven't heard t'be honest.

Nirvana - I respect them as a band, but believe that they're waaaaay over-hyped. Not bad, but yeah, too many Curt Cobain hoodies goin' round.

Bob Dylan - Haven't really looked in to him that much to be honest. But it's like, I think I've heard a bit and I think I've read a little of his poetry... I dunno.

Man Of Kent

23-12-2002, 01:28 PM

Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?

Early Alanis rip off. Marketing man's dream really, whatever her songwriting quality...

Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthfull looks and fake rebellion?

Hyped, rebellion my arse

Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?

They were good for their time, but I'm not sure they would have lasted anyway. I'm now wondering who really was the most talented one in the band...

Bob Dylan - Poet, maser songwriter, or of no significance to music today

Ah, they answer to this one, is blowing in the wind...

Kiezo

23-12-2002, 01:44 PM

Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?

Shite.

She can't play guitar. Despite what people say.

She is also pop. Despite what people say (ie she's not a punk, retards).

Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthfull looks and fake rebellion?

Never heard of them.

Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?

Really good band, but at the same time, way too over-rated. Probably due to Kurts death.

Bob Dylan - Poet, maser songwriter, or of no significance to music today

Love his music. Probably influenced alot of bands that're around today.

byny

23-12-2002, 01:48 PM

HURRAH!!!!!:D

Kiezo

23-12-2002, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by byny
HURRAH!!!!!:D

...? :eek2:

BumbleBee

23-12-2002, 07:39 PM

Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?
She is lyrically backwards, she cannot play guitar, she isn't a 'punk' but she is fecking gorgeous. So, yeah, a marketing man's dream.
Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthful looks and fake rebellion?
Again, can't play guitar, mime badly and and generally trying to cash in on the pop-punk generation. And working. Meh, good luck to them....
Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?
Weren't the first grunge band despite what people say, BUT were important in that they opened up grunge and alternative music to the masses. His influence on many can't be denied, but I have absolutely no respect for Kurt Cobain. His death was a cop out. saying that, I have no respect for Courtney Love either.
Bob Dylan - Poet, master songwriter, or of no significance to music today
Not a fan, don' think he has a very nice voice if I'm honest, but of great musical importance.

Deeeeb

24-12-2002, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Man Of Kent
[B]They were good for their time, but I'm not sure they would have lasted anyway. I'm now wondering who really was the most talented one in the band...

Dave Grohl...

Lemur

24-12-2002, 09:10 PM

paperBprincess

24-12-2002, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Black Hole Sun

Avril - rock bandwagon, just like Pink.
i like pinks stuff, yea it isn't rock, but she seems a nice enough person. avril should just be gagged and cement shoes

Imagine

24-12-2002, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by byny
Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?

Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthfull looks and fake rebellion?

Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?

Bob Dylan - Poet, maser songwriter, or of no significance to music today

Avril=Not a fan of hers, however all credit to her if she writes her own songs, I dont find them amazing but hey:rolleyes:

Nirvana=A little over rated, but they opened the door for bands impersonating opps :naughty: I mean "expressing their emotions". They were successful because of the time they were exposed, that it was a new sound and how people could relate, blah, blah.

Bob Dylan= Poet, songwriter, and he is one of few that has a major influence in some artists today.

Smash

25-12-2002, 01:47 PM

Avril - She's an over-styled rinky dinky pop wonder girl who's going to sell a shitload of records and then vanish without ever having left anything truly lasting.
It's tolerable, but dull. Congratulations, you write your own lyrics. Shame they're completely retarded.

Busted - I'm not particularily fond of their 'music.' Seem to have that 'boybands suck!' chip on their shoulder.

Nirvana - I was never a great fan. I think they are given too much credit for shaping music today and I really don't see Kurt Cobain as any kind of song-writing genius.
Dave Grohl can come round to mine for tea anyday, however.

Bob Dylan - Some of his songs I love. Others I can pass on. I think it is a shame that so many people feel they can't 'dislike' him though, simply because he is considered to have been so important to the music bizz.

Guest_

25-12-2002, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Deeeeb

Dave Grohl...

:yes:

chaos_insomniac

25-12-2002, 08:11 PM

Avril - she's a singersongwriter as far as I know

Busted - the thing they have to offer is a very catchy tune, don't expect a musical masterpiece.

Nirvana - I think overrated but they were still pretty good.

Bob Dylan - I've heard OF him, so no comment.

byny

31-12-2002, 01:59 PM

Do you know what...This has kind of restored my faith because I was getting really confused about Avril whatshername..I thought that perhaps people had really fallen for the idea that she created her product when infact she is created to sell a product.

I still think Nirvana are important but I think people forget bands like Tad and the Meat Puppets and the Pixies and sonic Youth were far more influential before Nirvana came round.
I think Kurt Cobain has a lot in Common with Eminem, only Eminem has managed to get his head out of his arse.

Busted..no comment

but Dylan I can see what people mean when they say it shouldn't be a crime to dislike dylan. Myself..I love him mostly. Tehre are songs i can't abide but then I just have to listen to some others and I love him to bits again just for his lyrical craftmanship!

Lorna

31-12-2002, 03:41 PM

Avril Lavigne, personally, I do like her songs. Granted, they're not musical genius, but listenable. And yes, someone is obviously trying to sell her (she does have a band after all, why is it just her that gets the mention?). But you know, shes enjoying herself, and people like he music, so wheres the harm.
But she pouts too much. :p she plays to much on the rebelling girlie thing, which just annoy a lot of people.

Busted, I don't like their songs, and its like hey 'boybands suck', even though thats what they are. Maybe they'd appeal more if they didn't try to be something they're not, coz that puts people off.

Nirvana, yeah, good band, but who knows where the may have failed if Kurt Cobain was still alive?

Bob Dylan, I've not heard a great deal of his stuff, just the more well known stuff, but a lot of bands that came after him looked to him as inspiration, so thats gotta mean something.

byny

31-12-2002, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Lorna
(she does have a band after all, why is it just her that gets the mention?).

He he he :D :D :D :D

One of the Nobodies

01-01-2003, 03:47 PM

Avril Lavigne - Personally, i can't stand her and it annoys me to death when people say she's punk. As someone said in another post, how can she be punk when she has never heard of Sid Vicious? She's a smash hits wannabe rock star. Big wow if she can play a guitar, so can a lot of other people and a lot better than she can. She's a pretty girl dressed up in baggy clothes and made to frown a lot. Not rebellious, just following the pop/rock trend thats about at the moment.

Busted - Aparently, they played Leeds festival a few years ago under another name. Their songs are crap. They're cashing in on the current music trend just like Avril Lavigne. I saw something about them on cd:uk. They were doing a record signing and guess who was there, but a whole load of screaming school girls holding up posters of them the got out of top of the pops and smash hits magazine. They claim to hate boy bands when they are one. Seems strange to me.

Nirvana - Were good in their time, have influanced a lot of bands today but i think that they are very over rated.

Bob Dylan - I know who he is but have never *knowingly* heard any of his music. So i can't comment. :)

FireyFirenze

01-01-2003, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by One of the Nobodies

Busted - Aparently, they played Leeds festival a few years ago under another name. Their songs are crap. They're cashing in on the current music trend just like Avril Lavigne. I saw something about them on cd:uk. They were doing a record signing and guess who was there, but a whole load of screaming school girls holding up posters of them the got out of top of the pops and smash hits magazine. They claim to hate boy bands when they are one. Seems strange to me.

I don't think they've ever claimed to hate boy bands...in fact I'm sure I read an interview and they said they knew they were all lads in a group but they werent a typical boy band cos they didn't do ballads and stuff...hmmm. But they dont hate them. And I don't think they're trying to be something they're not because they do describe their music as pop so they dont think they're some heavy rock band.

And they do have a drummer! well hes in the band and he plays drums he just plays guitar in most of the videos.

*walks off whispering 'I'm not a massive fan of Busted, honestly...:D*

Joey_Joe

02-01-2003, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by byny
Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?

marketing mans puppet

Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthfull looks and fake rebellion?

Who?

Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?

Somewhere inbetween I guess.
At least he went out with a bang ;)

Bob Dylan - Poet, maser songwriter, or of no significance to music today

Don't like him but what do I know? I am only 22 and am sure he did a lot for music of his type.

hurrahbro

07-01-2003, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by byny
OK...I'm wondering what the following peoplemean to you, how do you perceive them, Do they mean something in the world, or are they utter pants....

Avril Lavigne - Is she really genuine or a marketing mans puppet packaged as a singer songwriter?

Marketing mans wet dream more like.

Looks, Sarah Michell Gellar's cute kid sister
Style, Mall Rat meets Skate/punk (note American punk is NOT the same as UK Punk)
Songs, Hummable, enjoyable Alanis Morrisettish with a few thrashy fast numbers and none of the cringe worthy ernestness.
PS she also writes them, Kudos with the 'real music brigade'

Good luck to her, 3 Albums and she will be gone though.

Busted - Do they have anything to offer other than youthfull looks and fake rebellion?

Even the Sex Pistols pedeled fake rebelion.

At last, a boy band that sings fun disposable pop, not over-ernest ballads or cringe worthy cod RnB

Nirvana - Over-rated or musical genius?
Over-rated, Good, very good, blast of fresh air when they came along, but not the gods they are made out to be.
Bob Dylan - Poet, maser songwriter, or of no significance to music today

Little significance. His influence is more in the Strokes and in the indie guitar underground. Still he did make some corkers, and a losd of tosh as well.

amz

07-01-2003, 10:39 PM

Avril Lavigne, I must admit I like some of her stuff, Its some of the only pop I like, and her lyrics arent masterpieces but one fo the songs i can relate to, so thats probably why i like it..and its easy to understand for ppl like me :D :rolleyes: But yea, shes there to make loads of money by being promoted as a sexy punk 'who does her own thing and doesn't care what anybody else thinks of her'..:rolleyes:

Busted
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dont mention them, I canNOT stand them!! What is with them?? Thinking theyre a band..adn like soembody else said they havent even got a bloody drummer????? I heard a song by them....I'm telling you the lyrics were genious :rolleyes: soemthing about going to the year 3000, and a fit granddaughter or soemthing? :eek2: They are a pile of shite!!! And yea..need to practice theyre miming techniques :rolleyes:

Nirvana
Not that into them, but recently actually properly listened to some of theyre stuff, and my friend taught me the base to come as you are, which was fun, and made me listen and appreciate it a lot more, but yea, way over hyped, and again like soembody said..what is with all them hoodies?

Bob Dylan...sorry, haven't heard much of his stuff, although heard a lot of bands and artists say how inspirational he is, so must mean soemthing, eh?

:)

SuzyCreamcheese

07-01-2003, 11:40 PM

1.shit
2. never heard of
3. OK, but overrated. Nevermind was good, the rest was shit.
4. fantastic. hard rains gonna fall and it aint me babe are 2 of my most favourite songs (although i do have a lot of most favouritest songs)

pinkstar

08-01-2003, 02:49 PM

Avril - Not my cup of tea but her songs are so damn catchy! I think, as so many others have said, she's a marketing man's dream - a pretty young girl who can write songs and can be marketed as a rebel. She really annoys me when she's on tv singing with this big scowl on her face tho. :mad:

Busted - awful! thats basically all I have to say. But I don't think they're aimed at anyone other than teenage girls.

Nirvana - were good for getting grunge and rock music in general more into the mainstream at a time when it had become 'uncool' to like anything other than crap. Personally I do think they're overrated but they did write some great songs and were good performers. I just don't think they'd be so popular if Kurt hadn't killed himself. I suspect they would've split up anyway and just been forgotten by the majority of people.
As for the hoodies - I used to work in a shop in Glasgow that sells all that kind of stuff and seriously, we'd get the Nirvana hoodies in and all the small sizes would be gone in a matter of hours! Its crazy cos most of these kids were just babies when kurt killed himself! Some probably weren't even born yet!!

Bob Dylan - a great songwriter and a massive influence on a lot of bands. I don't think he has a horrible voice like others have said. Pluys, he produced a beautiful son (Jacob Dylan) who went on to form a really good band (The Wallflowers).

Those are just my opinions tho. Each to their own and all that :p