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squat_tom

31-08-2002, 03:29 PM

Many people are of the opinion that dance music's popularity and quality has now peaked in the UK and it's all downhill from here.

They may have a point. Cream and Gatecrasher have scaled down their operations. Major DJs like Oakenfold are taking their acts to the US, where interest is rapidly increasing.

'Dance Music' is 14 years old this year. Is it time for retirement?

angelbabe

31-08-2002, 04:33 PM

I totally love dance music but lately I havnt heard of as many people who enjoy as much as I do. It just seem to be dying out abit, but then times do change, and with it so does the music so its not really surprising but it is sad cos I love dance music so much but nowadays alot of people think I have bad taste in music when a few years ago it was like the norm to enjoy dance music.

katchika

31-08-2002, 06:09 PM

A few years ago I lived dance music but I hate the stuff that comes out now. It's really commercial or else just covers of old things. The only dance music I like is stuff from a few years ago, nothing new that comes out.

BARTONIOUS

31-08-2002, 08:06 PM

Don't be silly, dance music is not dead. It is just evolving. Cream closing and everything else etc. is good for the scene. We need less faceless superclubs and more underground local clubs.

The commercialisation of the scene is a bad thing and the sooner the "big name DJ's", that charge extortionate amounts of money, piss off the better. DJ's like Oakenfold really annoy me charging £100,000 for a 2 hour set. They aren't even that good DJ's, there are far far better DJ's than Oakenfold these days, the only reason he gets booked is because he is a big name that everyone knows and pulls the crowd. This is the same with Jules and the rest of them. They advertise the name, not their talent. People need to boycott the biggest name DJ's that charge loads of DJ sets and have little talent; we should support more unknown, more talented DJs. Big name DJ's make clubbing far more expensive than it should be because they charge so much for a set. This in turn causes the clubs to charge more for tickets to pay for the DJ fees. DJ's like Sander Kleinenberg should be saluted for doing it for the music. Sander is holding a night in Ibiza at DC10 on the 6th September and the entrance fee is absolutly free!!!

Addict

31-08-2002, 11:00 PM

Dance music aint dead! it is well known that the superclubs are losing numbers however this is due to people moving from these clubs to smaller clubs, where perhaps the nite is alot better. remember its quality not quantity.
I must say the comercial crap gives cause for concern. in local clubs where i live they have started playin this alot more. this is due to the fact that it attracts ur average person, not ur averge clubber. and it also has the effect of keeping the e-heads away, which is excellent news for clubs with drug problems.
However despite this, there are plenty of wild venues & u only have to take a look at sum of these and witness the 1000's still slaves to the dance.

Nash

01-09-2002, 07:54 AM

Dance music dead.... I dont think so! As said before bigger clubs may be losing support but in my area there are plenty of smaller and upcoming clubs that are becoming popular. It seems as though more and more people are taking to this type of music...i know alot of people who have ridden themselves form the sounds of 'shit' music.

I agree that the 'big' name bj's are really a load of bollux...its the smaller local dj's that I am in favour of...non of this commercial shite either!

Dance Music - Always and Forever :D

Yum

01-09-2002, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by PussyKatty
A few years ago I lived dance music but I hate the stuff that comes out now. It's really commercial or else just covers of old things. The only dance music I like is stuff from a few years ago, nothing new that comes out.

I totally agree, the commericial scene has ruined dance music in my opinion, but there are still some banging tunes that give you that same rush, its just a case of finding them. As for the covers of old tunes, thats because they were and still are some of the best tunes about, and you can't beat them. ok its lame doing a 2002 cover of it, but its nice to hear a few of them now and again no ? :) eg Matt Dareys Beautiful.

I don't think dance is dead tho, just gone underground, well for the more hardcore tracks at least. I listen to shoutcast from time to time, have heard some really good tunes on there sometimes, worth a listen :) (but beware, there are some really poor tracks on there too)

I have actually been thinking of setting up a shoutcast radio station dedicated to non-stop hardcore dance/house music, if anyone is interested in helping don't hesitate to drop me a PM.

BARTONIOUS

01-09-2002, 08:09 PM

God not hardcore!!!!! :o Can't stand harcore, too fast.

As for your argument, I dont quite understand it, you say the commericial scene has ruined dance music but you don't think dance is dead tho, just gone underground? :confused:

Hushmuva

04-09-2002, 05:46 PM

Hushmuva

04-09-2002, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by BARTONIOUS
God not hardcore!!!!! :o Can't stand harcore, too fast.

As for your argument, I dont quite understand it, you say the commericial scene has ruined dance music but you don't think dance is dead tho, just gone underground? :confused:
When hardcore first come out mate u were still in nappies

Hushmuva

04-09-2002, 05:55 PM

BARTONIOUS

04-09-2002, 05:55 PM

I know! That's why I can't get into it!

bass_muncher

14-09-2002, 01:37 AM

What ya on about!

Lately Ive heard some of the best tunes in years.. but im mainly into Techno and Hard Trance ........ I think alot of the stuff thats getting released is far better.. The scene at the moment is changing i think,, alot of the big clubs are charging too much and i think alot of people know they can have good nights out at some ot the smaller ones........ I dont think its gonna die,, anyway its just all begun to kick off in places like Aus & NZ big time,, i would say on worldwide scale its getting bigger

Addict

14-09-2002, 01:43 PM

the big clubs are defo losing out, no dominance any more. there loss of grip on the dance industry is epitomised by the closure of cream in liverpool next month...however clubbin is far from dead in liverpool. the smaller clubs will take advantage of the situation and clubbin will survive. on a different note....im goin to this next saturday :):):) http://www.bbmag.com/love02/ just take a look at that line up! is anyone else going?

bass_muncher

16-09-2002, 03:52 AM

nah m8. but looking at that line up i wudn't mind,.,.

DJ Scott Project.. would go just 4 him.,. hes f***** brill! One of me favs... but yeah its a good line up, not too sure about scooter live tho :eek2:

Addict

16-09-2002, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by bass_muncher
nah m8. but looking at that line up i wudn't mind,.,.

DJ Scott Project.. would go just 4 him.,. hes f***** brill! One of me favs... but yeah its a good line up, not too sure about scooter live tho :eek2:

haha, dont worry, ill be nowhere near the scooter performance...self respect and all that. its the Love & Nukleuz areans for me :) only 5 days to go, sweeeet! :D

budda

17-09-2002, 05:00 PM

I think that saying 'dance music' is a bit to broad to say wether it is dying or not. Granted some parts of the culture are scaling down but I think that as others have just said its just evolving. People dont always want huge comercial events, sometimes they want smaller ones, I think thats whats happening now.

Also we are in a period of financial uncertainty, people arent as lavish with they're money anymore, they dont know whether they will have a job in a months time.

As for the big DJ's going to the US, its obvious, its for the money, the events there are bigger and charge more and therefore can give the DJ's more.

However the latest round in the battle between the US government and the 'raves' is being won by the government. They have brought in a law which makes the organisers of raves liable if people at that rave use drugs. Its suposed to stop the spread of pills in the US which is by far the worlds largest growing market for them.

johno

22-09-2002, 03:33 PM

bass muncher are you into proper techno or the crap that picotto tries to pass as techno?

the techno scene will die soon if people like picotto & fergie don`t leave it alone...they should stick to their trance.

i read a tracklisting of fergies and he was palying stuff by ben sims, deetron & dj rush to name a few, in a couple of weeks he will be playing something else..... i hate the way these dj`s jump on the band wagon of what ever is popular.

they are not techno heads as they wouldnt play trance aswell if they were.

and none of them can dj, judge jules fergie tiesto all them can`t dj for shit, they are about as technical as me nan with a pair of beltdrives!!!!

Addict

22-09-2002, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by johno
bass muncher are you into proper techno or the crap that picotto tries to pass as techno?

the techno scene will die soon if people like picotto & fergie don`t leave it alone...they should stick to their trance.

i read a tracklisting of fergies and he was palying stuff by ben sims, deetron & dj rush to name a few, in a couple of weeks he will be playing something else..... i hate the way these dj`s jump on the band wagon of what ever is popular.

they are not techno heads as they wouldnt play trance aswell if they were.

and none of them can dj, judge jules fergie tiesto all them can`t dj for shit, they are about as technical as me nan with a pair of beltdrives!!!!

what the fuck are you talkin about?? fergie is a brilliant dj, as is jules. tiesto is fair. i have seen all these guys. fergie loads, he is a legend. picotto and fergie dont play trance :lol: fergie is pure hardhouse with a bit of a techno cross over sumtimes just to play about. picotto doesnt try and pass anything as techno. he plays a different sort of techno to every1 else, its not a pure techno, and he aint tryin to play pure techno. dont get me wrong, i see where u are comin from mate but dont be soo narrow minded about it all. if this is what they wana play give it a chance. fergie has got loadsa abuse for playin techno in his sets but u dont see him rushin to change it, so maybe he has a genuine interest in the genre. u never know, he may well be the best thing for the genre since Umek, hahaha

johno

22-09-2002, 11:48 PM

umek is one of the worst things in techno at the moment! he is making tunes that people like fergie are playing.

he gets cheesier by the second, what i am on about is in a few months fergie wont be playing techno it will be something else.

the way it is going we will have cybers and beer boys in all our techno clubs ruining the night.

techno clubs are for people who apreciate intelligent electronic music. not shitty trance, and techno because it is popular.

do you go to shine at all mate? i go there now and again as most of my family are in ireland and i am over there regulary.

Silverberg

23-09-2002, 12:00 AM

I certainly hope it's dead.:D

Addict

23-09-2002, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by johno
umek is one of the worst things in techno at the moment! he is making tunes that people like fergie are playing.

he gets cheesier by the second, what i am on about is in a few months fergie wont be playing techno it will be something else.

the way it is going we will have cybers and beer boys in all our techno clubs ruining the night.

techno clubs are for people who apreciate intelligent electronic music. not shitty trance, and techno because it is popular.

do you go to shine at all mate? i go there now and again as most of my family are in ireland and i am over there regulary.

fergie does mix and match a bit. especially if u listen to him on radio1 as opposed to his live sets. its a complete different ballgame mate. personally i prefer his live sets cus i more or less swear by hardhouse. my mate is well into techno so he is lovin this newest venture of mr fergusons. maybe it is just a passing fad, who knows, enjoy it/hate it while it lasts.

nah mate. aint been to shine yet however my mate is goin to queens this yr and has got a flat. i dont live in belfast u c but i will b visitn him sumtimes so i will be goin then. probably network as well..u been there? i go 'the met' mostly in armagh, even though i live in enniskillne. its the nearest place 2 me that i can hear quality music. the resident chris davis is an absolute legend.

johno

23-09-2002, 09:58 AM

cameras ready prepare to flash! i suppose you take that off that dj elite - that fuct camera tune?

did you know the original is actually flash by green velvet a TECHNO tune?

Addict

23-09-2002, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by johno
cameras ready prepare to flash! i suppose you take that off that dj elite - that fuct camera tune?

did you know the original is actually flash by green velvet a TECHNO tune?

:lol: yea i take it of dj elite's tune. i love that tune, its soo hard to get it on 12' though :confused: yea i know the green velvet - flash tune as well. i always thought it was more progressive than techno. its great 2, very funny as well. ya kant beat dj elite version though, that tune tears dancefloors up. fergie & jules swear by it :p

johno

23-09-2002, 10:28 PM

i sold a copy of that fuct camera for £45, if you are after a copy i know someone who would sell it (probably for cheaper than i sold mine for)

Andy_Booth

23-09-2002, 11:04 PM

People are just fed up of having the same thing every week, they want to go, and think they are part of something special, id imagine at cream with all the scouse beerboys its hard to think u are part of something special

You're having a laugh! The locals get (got (ultimately their downfall)) treated like shit. The bouncers used to walk down the queue and pick out random groups saying their clothes we'rent suitably fashionable, whilst a coach load from, say nottingham, would go straight to the front of the queue. Everyone gets pissed off and goes to better clubs in the city. It just turned into a tourist attaction which has now lost it's appeal.

IMO Garlands is the best club in town, even if a bit burnt!

Addict

23-09-2002, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Silverberg
I certainly hope it's dead.:D

what the fuck r u doin in the clubbing message board if u dont have ANYTHING good to say about any type of dance music :eek2:

Addict

24-09-2002, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by johno
i sold a copy of that fuct camera for £45, if you are after a copy i know someone who would sell it (probably for cheaper than i sold mine for)

ive seen it in e-bay goin for around £30. i hear ull b able to get it of the shelves soon for a fiver so ill hold out.
didnt think sum1 who swears by techno wud have dj elite :lol:

johno

24-09-2002, 10:46 AM

i sold it on a mate for a fiver and pocketed 40 quid.

same as i would have done if you wanted to buy a copy.

Addict

25-09-2002, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by johno
i sold it on a mate for a fiver and pocketed 40 quid.

same as i would have done if you wanted to buy a copy.

what??

Kazbo

25-09-2002, 08:01 PM

I said 2 years ago when dance music started to become comercial that it would ruin the whole dance scene.

I've been going to Feel for 4 years or so now and when I first started it was absolutely brilliant, (still is the best club around in my eyes) but each year has got slightly worse. The people haven't been as friendly, not as much into there music and so on.

Too many cheesy mixes are around like the ministry of sound cd's etc. It's meant that more people have started liking dance and so there's less difference between the underground world and the commercial world.

Underground has tried to counter this but in my opinion most of the stuff that is around these days is s**t. It's a long time since I actually heard a tune I really liked.

I think the worst thing was when hard house hit the scene. Along with cyber kids and glow sticks! Argh!!!!!!:mad:

viridis

23-10-2002, 09:31 PM

First of all who was it that said techno was just catching on in the US.? I've been going to the Miami winter music conference for 6 or 7 years and have always been told that is one of the biggest techno music conferences out there. And didn't Sasha and Digweed move years back to NYC? Originally, if you want to look past the influences of Kraftwerk, techno started in Detroit, but did become mainstream in England. But I've still been confronting frequent partys for at least 11 years over here. I think when you look at techno its important to look past the paul van dykes and the global underground stuff and look at all the many outfits it comes in and what it doing with other types of music. Most of you are from England and quite familiar with reggae. I love the many forms dub has taken on as well as ragga jungle. I hear more and more influences it has in rap, world music, and even jam band music. Its amazing to see dj Logic spinning for hippy bands like widspread panic over here, or to hear how bands like sound tribe sector nine and lake trout have incorporated drum and bass beats and scraching into live music. DJ spooking remixing sonic youth and thurston playing giutar in his songs or Dr. israel doing jungle/ragga versions of war pigs by black sabbath. Also the abstract sounds of Amon Tobin, Plaid, and squarepusher as well as some of the stuff coming out of Japan. Then you have trip hop like dj shadow and dj Krush collaberating with all types of people. You have the philly scene with influences like king Britt, and victor duplaix. Dj spinna mixes hip hop, soul, and house now. I know I'm just rambeling, but my point is that techno goes way beyond what is popular in England megga clubs or clubs like Twilow in NY or the music conference and Ibiza. We here it on commercials and soundtracks and restaurants and everywhere we go now.

mozo

05-02-2005, 12:44 PM

if its any help, im 13 yrs old. still pretty young, but go to clubs. the one i go to has a young person day-anyone can go in. maybe it was my bro who liked the same sorta thing, i dont know, but hell its the best music ever! and anyone who says its dieing out is just sad! if dance is dieing out why are new dance songs coming out every week?

VinylVicky

05-02-2005, 12:54 PM

I hate the term 'dance music' it's so fuckin cheesey! n if you thinks it's peaked your'e either listening to the wrong sort/going to the wrong places.

ruby_soho

05-02-2005, 01:46 PM

if its any help, im 13 yrs old. still pretty young, but go to clubs.

It might have been some help if this thread wasn't 2 years old ;)

05-02-2005, 04:57 PM

I don't think it can die to be honest...

If you study anthropology you'll see that people have been stomping thier feet for thousands of years to various beats... Club music is just an evolved variation of the same theme.
Some people don't like it, well, they don't have to go clubbing do they?

Makoto

06-02-2005, 12:29 PM

viridis, Techno is it's own genre, it doesn't cover every style that is 4/4 music.

There are 2 types of DJs we have. One is more often seen in the underground style of music like Hardcore & Drum & Bass. These types of DJs will enjoy what they do more than any other, play music they love & share it with everyone else that has the same passion as them and also have their own unique style of playing out and will take risks with new music, find music what no other DJ will get their hands on.

The other type of DJ is more seen in the Dance music scene especially in the last 5 years, around the mid to end of 1999. These types give Dance a bad name because they will do it more so to get an image & find music that nobody will have for 3 months, tottaly rinsing the tune which then be played by other DJs that only have one type of music they play and will charge stupid amounts of money to play mainstream crap that's already been played to get rich and an image. These DJs drag Dance down & get it pigeon-holed and as long as they do what they do and maintain a hold over the UK's youth, the music that used to be great will be gone forever and the shit that is todays Dance will be the only Dance music around.

If we had more of the underground type of DJ in the Dance scene and if these so called "superstar" DJs would let the budding new DJs and producers play out more then it would be more fun and wouldn't be as shite as it is now. Dance as a genre will not die, ever but there are sub-genres that will die but not die soon enough. I've been listening to Jungle since the Ragga era and we are into the so called Brakbeat Kaos era now and if you listen to it, it's never really changed as much as Dance music has because it's never been ruined by fame hungry DJs and producers like Dance is today.

BlackArab

07-02-2005, 12:26 AM

Felix methinks viridis may not answer, check the dates, good post anyway. IMO I would blame apathy rather than the dj's. If Superstar DJs can get away with charging the earth why shouldn't they? Its the crowd who are mugs for paying to see them.

Plus nobody ever 'let' me play out, I promoted my first night alongside friends.

Did anybody else pick up on the Dance music being 14 years old line in the first post? :lol:

morrocan roll

07-02-2005, 01:01 AM

it's dead now ...or close ...ask the people who invest in clubland.
it's over ...like every other genre ...it's time is up.

Skive

07-02-2005, 01:47 AM

it's dead now ...or close ...ask the people who invest in clubland.
it's over ...like every other genre ...it's time is up.

Is it fuck.
Comercialised 'Clubbing' is becoming less popular but the underground rave scene is thriving.

Makoto

07-02-2005, 09:46 AM

I took my time to write that, didn't see the date. Twat.

budda

07-02-2005, 10:35 AM

Dance music is a FAR too broad term anyway, it has changed the way that people socialise and influenced many other forms of music.

Yes, people are turning their backs on the 'trance by numbers' type stuff, but thats with good reason.

Given that this thread was started 2 years ago I think the poster has been proven wrong.

stargalaxy

07-02-2005, 04:32 PM

it's dead now ...or close ...ask the people who invest in clubland. it's over ...like every other genre ...it's time is up. In a sense, I agree with this. Dance music seems to be going through a process of re-inventing itself at the moment. There are still people out there producing good dance music, like Myles MacInnes, (aka Mylo) Alter Ego and Lemon Jelly. But I would say there's a lot more crap about now than there used to be.

VinylVicky

07-02-2005, 05:32 PM

In a sense, I agree with this. Dance music seems to be going through a process of re-inventing itself at the moment. There are still people out there producing good dance music, like Myles MacInnes, (aka Mylo) Alter Ego and Lemon Jelly. But I would say there's a lot more crap about now than there used to be.
I'd say it's better than ever before! The past year I've really gotten into hardstyle, been listening to it for ages without actually realising there was a name for it. I thought it was just hard european/german trance. And yes, it's like chart music in Germany and has cometo and end there it's just kicking off here. The good thing about 'dance' (ggrrr) is it's forver progressing and moving forward. Some of my best mates are djs and for us it's a way of life and all the other 1000s of clubbers that go out every wknd!

Blagsta

07-02-2005, 06:07 PM

You cannot call "hardstyle" moving forward. It's cheesy commercial nonsense that hasn't changed in nearly 10 years.

stargalaxy

08-02-2005, 01:07 PM

You cannot call "hardstyle" moving forward. It's cheesy commercial nonsense that hasn't changed in nearly 10 years. I agree partly. A lot of the stuff that is heard now, particularly on the Clubland compilations, are re-hashes of old rave anthems.

BlackArab

08-02-2005, 09:42 PM

Skive/Bongbudda totally agreed

The only thing thats happened is that all the journo's complaining are either going through early mid-life crisis or are so out of touch they no longer know which promoters to blag freebies off.

VinylVicky

08-02-2005, 09:53 PM

You cannot call "hardstyle" moving forward. It's cheesy commercial nonsense that hasn't changed in nearly 10 years.i could have sworn u hadnt heard of it last time we spoke...must be someone else....yes in many parts of Europe this is true but it's just kicking off here especially in the scene/clubs/promotors/dj circle I'm in. Nothing can beat that dirty hard bass line....but u could play this style of music to cheesey boppers on a Friday night and they would think it's pish. None sense my arse!

08-02-2005, 10:56 PM

I still go, although I drink slightly less so I don't get myself in shit because I'm a terrible drunk!
Plus I end up shouting in the High street causing a nuisance. I must look like a complete prat!

morrocan roll

08-02-2005, 11:18 PM

Is it fuck.
Comercialised 'Clubbing' is becoming less popular but the underground rave scene is thriving.
you have said it for me skive ...when music comes from underground ...like most popular styles always did ...and then returns there ...it's the death knoll.
punk blues jazz etc ...all have done the same thing ...will always have their fans but ...something else is on the horrizon and i'd be putting my money on musicians.
this time round ...eastern european yiddish ...seriously.
fiddles the lot with a technological edge.
bet ya ...

Skive

08-02-2005, 11:56 PM

you have said it for me skive ...when music comes from underground ...like most popular styles always did ...and then returns there ...it's the death knoll....

The underground styles are radically different to the dance music you hear on your radio you know. As Bong said dance music is a very broad term - It's like me saying guitar music is dead.

Most of the underground scene has never become 'popular'. How much Hardcore, Jungle, D&B and Gabber have you heard?
These scenes are still thriving.

...something else is on the horrizon and i'd be putting my money on musicians.
this time round ...eastern european yiddish ...seriously.
fiddles the lot with a technological edge.
bet ya ...

Quite possibly, but that is not to say that dance music is dead.

morrocan roll

09-02-2005, 12:30 AM

Quite possibly, but that is not to say that dance music is dead.
no music ever dies ...it just kind of fades and stops being the thing ...which means interest and sales drop off ...which is happening right now ...which means the people who put the money in ...the record companies and PROMOTERS ...etc ...move on to other things with their wallets ...as is happening.
i'm not trying to diss your taste here ...just s aying what i have seen with ...punk blues ...guitar bands etc ...and now with the MONEY ...THAT MATTERS.

Yerascrote

09-02-2005, 01:14 AM

morrocan roll

09-02-2005, 01:43 AM

depends what you mean by dying, if dying is a reflect of the quantity and quality of dance in the charts then you may have a case but there is still a huge fan base for it, a few of my mates are getting into djing just like many kids are learning to play the guitar, there'l always be a support for dance and if it gets shoved totally underground, then who cares, at least we don't have to hear flip n fill.this still a fan base for elvis and cliff richards ...the beatles and the stones ...but it's a bit different than being the thing it once was.
face it ...every kind of music has its moment and then fades away ...and thats where dance is at the moment ...fading away.

Skive

09-02-2005, 09:05 AM

no music ever dies ...it just kind of fades and stops being the thing ...which means interest and sales drop off ...which is happening right now ...which means the people who put the money in ...the record companies and PROMOTERS ...etc ...move on to other things with their wallets ...as is happening..

What you are taling about is 'popular' dance - clubs like Cream and Ministry.
Totally different scenes mate.
Dance music is such as broad term, to say that it's all dead or dying is just rubbish.

dr sad

09-02-2005, 09:21 AM

prolly so but give me sum hard house trance/dance any day

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 09:22 AM

i could have sworn u hadnt heard of it last time we spoke...must be someone else....yes in many parts of Europe this is true but it's just kicking off here especially in the scene/clubs/promotors/dj circle I'm in. Nothing can beat that dirty hard bass line....but u could play this style of music to cheesey boppers on a Friday night and they would think it's pish. None sense my arse!

Hardstyle is another name for Nu NRG/hardhouse/hardtrance. A sound that hasn't really moved on since Tony de Vit died. And I'm sorry, you can't call what that nonsense does "dirty hard bass". Neh neh neh on the off beat. That ain't bass! Listen to grime/eski, yardcore, ragga if you want dirty hard bass!

Makoto

09-02-2005, 09:54 AM

i could have sworn u hadnt heard of it last time we spoke...must be someone else....yes in many parts of Europe this is true but it's just kicking off here especially in the scene/clubs/promotors/dj circle I'm in. Nothing can beat that dirty hard bass line....but u could play this style of music to cheesey boppers on a Friday night and they would think it's pish. None sense my arse!

I think it would clear a dance floor in about 30 secinds unless there were people there who actually liked this type of music.

stargalaxy

09-02-2005, 11:33 AM

Dance music is such as broad term, to say that it's all dead or dying is just rubbish. Of course. A lot of what's in the dance charts now is admittedly terrible. Dig deeper, though, and you'll find some brilliant stuff. The Internet is where I find most of my music nowadays. For examples, there's Stonebridge, Hott 22, Robbie Rivera, Thin White Duke (love his mix of Gwen Stefani "What You Waiting For?") and Basement Jaxx. The good music never went away - you just have to dig a bit further to get to it.

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 01:30 PM

Thin White Duke (love his mix of Gwen Stefani "What You Waiting For?")

David Bowie is doing dance remixes these days?!

stargalaxy

09-02-2005, 01:56 PM

David Bowie is doing dance remixes these days?! Astonishingly, there is technically a little bit of truth in that. In 2003, his track "Heroes" was remixed by a French DJ called David Guetta.

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 06:21 PM

Hardstyle is another name for Nu NRG/hardhouse/hardtrance. A sound that hasn't really moved on since Tony de Vit died. And I'm sorry, you can't call what that nonsense does "dirty hard bass". Neh neh neh on the off beat. That ain't bass! Listen to grime/eski, yardcore, ragga if you want dirty hard bass!
haha just cos u don't like it then it must be nonesense. A tad closed minded there I think.
grime/eski, yardcore, ragga are not my scene and if you look back I said I was listening to harstyle for ages without realising it had a different name.
TDV Was a god to me and god knows where music would be if he was still alive. TDV was the first dj i ever heard play hardstuff back in the day when he was a resident at a back street club in Derby (and i had the pleasure of meeting him on a few occasions, i was also goin to sundissential when he was resident on a sunday sfaternoon). The music he played, u can tell hard music of today evolved from it but it's hardly like the hardstyle played out today. If you're not that into then I guess u don't listen to it much which explains your theory on the bass line.

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 06:54 PM

Yeah, yeah, whatever. I used to DJ hardhouse/NRG/acid techno etc about 10 years ago, went off it 'cos its a fairly limited genre that went down a dead end years ago. I hear enough of it at the occasional squat party I go to and it bores me to tears. Shit music for ketmonkeys.

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 07:02 PM

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 07:05 PM

oh if anyone's thinking what the fuck is hardstyle lol get down to Religion's 3rd (3 years might I had, hardly something that has died, more up and coming/coming back) birthday. Daniel Mondello, who won best dj in the world 3 years running has been bagged to play!

Also check out the Switzerland night, looks amazing and I can't wait for it!

http://religionuk.com/

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 07:10 PM

whatever?!haha not much of a come back dear.
oh well, sorry ur scene died, maybe it's just buzzing where I am.

Naaah, the scene didn't die (check out the London squat party scene, its still happening every weekend), the music just got really fucking predictable.
But if you like linear beats with no surprises, so you don't actually have to be able to dance, thats up to you.

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 07:21 PM

u don't have to be able to do anythin set...u do what u want to music. What one style of music can do to one person, another style gives that feeling to the next person. Dissing people's music taste is in bad taste.
A hardstyle beat for me takes me to another level, ok i think there can be a tad few many break downs but it takes a good dj to make it unpredictable.

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 07:26 PM

Each to their own, but calling hardstyle progressive is absurd.

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 07:29 PM

calling progressive music progressive always struck me as absurd but so many people think it does progress!
anyway i never used the word progressive, i said a good dj can make it unpredictable. different people, different ears.

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 07:30 PM

How is a linear 4/4 beat "unpredictable"? How are ten zillion breakdowns an hour "unpredictable"?

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 07:34 PM

rifs....samples...faster/slower basslines......

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 07:36 PM

Oh yeah, very unpredictable.

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 07:39 PM

I answered you question and proved myself right and u answered exactly how i thought you would!
This convo has gone stupid now, so we'll leave it on a pre-predicted note. I'm right.
:D

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 07:40 PM

Errrr...yeah, right. :rolleyes:

As I said - each to their own, but IMO hardstyle has no imagination, no funk, no soul and is a creative dead end. The tunes sound the same as they did 10 years ago.

VinylVicky

09-02-2005, 07:42 PM

ur beginning to sound like ur theory....and a tad tooo serious

Blagsta

09-02-2005, 07:44 PM

Eh? :confused:

The Matadore

21-02-2005, 07:04 PM

Lets hope the whole Dance culture is dead and buried and wil never rise again in any shape or form.

Yerascrote

21-02-2005, 07:23 PM

Lets hope the whole Dance culture is dead and buried and wil never rise again in any shape or form.

why? thats just like me sayng "lets hope death metal just dies and all the depressed egotistical fans die aswell" which is bullshit, dance has loads of branches, there are instrumental dance groups, there is emotion, lyrics and the choons are good aswell, well to me and a lot of others but you can't judge just because you don't like.

The Matadore

21-02-2005, 08:12 PM

Yes I can.

Blagsta

21-02-2005, 08:18 PM

Lets hope the whole Dance culture is dead and buried and wil never rise again in any shape or form.

Coming from a man who likes heavy metal, a genre that's the preserve of inadequate spotty males who can't get laid...

The Matadore

21-02-2005, 08:20 PM

Blagsta

21-02-2005, 08:33 PM

You could say that, but you'd be chatting complete ignorant bollocks, like all the rest of your posts. Get back to pretending you're the devil and wanking over shit air brush fantasy art.

Makoto

21-02-2005, 08:53 PM

EDM will never ever die. Even if the commercial side of things dies, there will always, always be an underground following just like there has been since the birth of any form of EDM.

I could retort by saying that those who like dance music are pathetic drugged up nobodies who like having a repetitive beat pounding at their skull until they finally just give up and overdose.

And I could say that would be one very ignorant comment as you obviously have no real clue to what dance music is. It's not all about going out, necking pills and dancing like a cunt. That's like me saying everyone who listens to Heavy Metal sniffs glue & cuts them selfs while listening to some prat screaming down a mic saying how his gonna cut someone open and fuck them... which is not actually to far some lyrics I heard on a metal track not so long ago.

VinylVicky

21-02-2005, 09:15 PM

I am indeed partial to that particular genre, but many others also.

I could retort by saying that those who like dance music are pathetic drugged up nobodies who like having a repetitive beat pounding at their skull until they finally just give up and overdose.
typical! People who haven't got a clue about the music thinks everyone overdoses every wknd!

I hope the fact the sceene is alive and kicking really irritates you!
:)

Yerascrote

22-02-2005, 07:18 PM

who like having a repetitive beat pounding at their skull

and distorted palm muted power chords with inane screaming and shouting down a mike is so much more musical and talented, like "real" music and all :rolleyes: get a life

stargalaxy

23-02-2005, 03:23 PM

I hope the fact the scene is alive and kicking really irritates you! (The Matadore that is, not me) The scene's changed over the years. Believe me, not everyone in dance music takes drugs!

VinylVicky

23-02-2005, 04:46 PM

The scene's changed over the years. Believe me, not everyone in dance music takes drugs!
lol where have i said it hasnt changed or where did i mention drugs? Or did u quote me by mistake??? :confused:

Skive

23-02-2005, 06:50 PM

Believe me, not everyone in dance music takes drugs!

No there's still a few lightweights. But then then they like their music slow anyway. You can usually find them in the trance arena standing still with their hands in the air. They like clubbing, they don't know raving.

I like to rave, fast and hard with plenty of class A's. :D

VinylVicky

24-02-2005, 12:43 AM

No there's still a few lightweights. But then then they like their music slow anyway. You can usually find them in the trance arena standing still with their hands in the air. They like clubbing, they don't know raving.

I like to rave, fast and hard with plenty of class A's. :Dhave you ever come a cross a straight (non drug inluenced) person while at a rave? And what did you think of them?

Blagsta

24-02-2005, 08:31 AM

I know a few people who go partying and don't take drugs. So what?

Skive

24-02-2005, 10:38 AM

have you ever come a cross a straight (non drug inluenced) person while at a rave? And what did you think of them?

Fair play to them, I've been clubbing straight before but it's not as much fun as when your off you tits.

budda

24-02-2005, 11:22 AM

Ahhh, but then you get those strange few who dance like nutters longer than the druggies just because they love the music.

Kazbo

24-02-2005, 12:41 PM

I could retort by saying that those who like dance music are pathetic drugged up nobodies who like having a repetitive beat pounding at their skull until they finally just give up and overdose.

Hmm now thats a little stereotypical is it not? I like dance music but have never touched drugs in my life....thats including weed.

Yes dance music has progressed over the years and todays stuff in my opinion isn't the same or as good as 4 or 5 years ago so I rarely go for dance nights out any more.

Yes I'm a progressve house fan, but to skive, that doesn't mean you'll find me or my mates standing still with hands in the air.

Kazbo

24-02-2005, 12:41 PM

Ahhh, but then you get those strange few who dance like nutters longer than the druggies just because they love the music.

:yes: :D

That would be us lot :D

tommo24

24-02-2005, 02:52 PM

house music is the past present and future.

learn it

Skive

24-02-2005, 04:21 PM

house music is the past present and future.

learn it

It's far too slow.

budda

24-02-2005, 04:23 PM

house music is the past present and future.

learn it

Only for lightweights.

stargalaxy

24-02-2005, 04:29 PM

house music is the past present and future. Nothing wrong with house, in my mind. If someone starts a mix with house tunes, that's fine, but move onto the trance later.

tommo24

24-02-2005, 05:29 PM

Trance is DEAD.

and thank god for that

tommo24

24-02-2005, 05:29 PM

Oh and if its too slow, then you're doing something wrong or listening to pop

VinylVicky

24-02-2005, 05:34 PM

I know a few people who go partying and don't take drugs. So what?
I wasn't making a deal about it, just wondered what his/peolle's opinions were :D

Makoto

24-02-2005, 05:50 PM

Trance is DEAD.

and thank god for that

Trance is live and kicking and will will be for a very long time.

Martin_Bashir

24-02-2005, 06:54 PM

anythings alive if you love it

Yerascrote

24-02-2005, 07:46 PM

anythings alive if you love it

ah last words of a necrophiliac. :D

Blagsta

25-02-2005, 08:22 AM

Nothing wrong with house, in my mind. If someone starts a mix with house tunes, that's fine, but move onto the trance later.

I hate trance. It's been a creative dead end for about 10 years now. (IMO natch, before Vicky throws another hissy fit)

budda

25-02-2005, 10:03 AM

ah last words of a necrophiliac. :D

Fantastic, very good.

VinylVicky

26-02-2005, 01:17 PM

anythings alive if you love it
my pet goldfish when i was a kid??

VinylVicky

26-02-2005, 01:20 PM

I hate trance. It's been a creative dead end for about 10 years now. (IMO natch, before Vicky throws another hissy fit)pmsl!
haha hissy fit...someone doesnt get when they are just being humoured :D Oh blagsta you do make me smirk!

N I hate trance too, your average fluffy floral trance that is. Hard/German trance :thumb:

Blagsta

26-02-2005, 09:37 PM

Nicely deflected there. :rolleyes:

TheCure

26-02-2005, 09:53 PM

Dance music has kinda peeked in my opinion. There are now two types commercial drivel and that produced by DJ's and record labels who are right up their own arses.

Time to step back and go old school, for the younger of you out there dig up some old stuff from the very late 80's to the mid 90's there is gold to be found if you aint heard it before. Im currently enjoying Shades of Rhythm, Bizzare inc, Prodigy etc as well as old school DJ sets from the likes of The Rat Pack, Jumpin Jack Frost, Grooverider etc...

VinylVicky

27-02-2005, 12:56 PM

stargalaxy

28-02-2005, 12:01 AM

Im currently enjoying Shades of Rhythm, Bizzare inc, Prodigy etc as well as old school DJ sets from the likes of The Rat Pack, Jumpin Jack Frost, Grooverider etc... Look, there's nothing wrong with the past. I think we should indeed celebrate the earlier dance tracks. But we shouldn't be held hostage to it. The scene now is not the same one as when it was starting out in the late 1980s.

Yerascrote

28-02-2005, 12:06 AM

But we shouldn't be held hostage to it. The scene now is not the same one as when it was starting out in the late 1980s.

dance has been around before the late 80's

stargalaxy

28-02-2005, 12:09 AM

dance has been around before the late 80's Well yes, I'm just referring to when the Strings Of Rhythm records and the like were first seen. Dance music is of course a mixture of other music. House, for instance, was preceded by disco, there's no hiding from it.

Yerascrote

28-02-2005, 12:16 AM

Well yes, I'm just referring to when the Strings Of Rhythm records and the like were first seen. Dance music is of course a mixture of other music. House, for instance, was preceded by disco, there's no hiding from it.

i don't think any music has a definitive root...maybe the first sounds or whatever but all styles have an influence...that influence is developed and messed about with to create a new unique one...thats why i think there'll always be music and it'll never become too mundane though it's been gettin shitty this past while...all genres included.

stargalaxy

28-02-2005, 12:21 AM

...all styles have an influence... that influence is developed and messed about with to create a new unique one... thats why i think there'll always be music and it'll never become too mundane though it's been gettin shitty this past while...all genres included. I'll agree with that. I think dance music is in unchartered territory nowadays, all much more commercial. There'll always be good music out there. Sadly, there's always be crap music too.

Yerascrote

28-02-2005, 12:28 AM

I'll agree with that. I think dance music is in unchartered territory nowadays, all much more commercial. There'll always be good music out there. Sadly, there's always be crap music too.

yes but sadly there's more crap than good...it saddens me when people mention dance they conjour up images of cheesy tunes with some girls voice over the top...i supose some of it is listenable but there's so much more variety in dance that people are oblivious to and is forcing so many sub-genres into the underground...but is that really a bad thing

Skive

28-02-2005, 09:50 AM

conjour up images of cheesy tunes with some girls voice over the top...

"Come give me your hardcore feelings with your raving meanings...." :lol:

Makoto

28-02-2005, 01:34 PM

Trance is better than HardStyle by far. HardStyle is not musical what so ever, it has no decent rythem and it will never change but being at 170BPM or what ever it is, with a few wanky tech synths in it.

Yerascrote

28-02-2005, 06:02 PM

"Come give me your hardcore feelings with your raving meanings...." :lol:

lol i actually like that tune...charlie lownoise and mental theo...yea???

VinylVicky

28-02-2005, 06:13 PM

Makoto

28-02-2005, 06:30 PM

I was checking out a mix and sounded pretty, well, naff, point me in the direction of the good stuff?

Born Slippy

01-03-2005, 07:43 PM

Dance music is not dead, but it's dying. I have no interest in any commercial rubbish like Call On Me but there are talented DJ's out there, and there is allways Underworld to fall back on.

Martin_Bashir

01-03-2005, 08:09 PM

turlough
ah last words of a necrophiliac

:yeees: alright, you can have that one :thumb:

VinylVicky

01-03-2005, 09:05 PM

I was checking out a mix and sounded pretty, well, naff, point me in the direction of the good stuff?
well just a tester first....go to http://www.religionuk.com/ and turn your sound up...you can choose track 1, 2 and 3. Have a bash on www.germantrance.com too and listen some tunes. If you look it I'll tell you where to download some good mixes,

Skive

01-03-2005, 10:02 PM

lol i actually like that tune...charlie lownoise and mental theo...yea???

Although it happens to be the most cheesey bollocks ever produced?
...brilliant aint it! :D

Blagsta

02-03-2005, 09:25 AM

well just a tester first....go to http://www.religionuk.com/ and turn your sound up...you can choose track 1, 2 and 3.

Well I'm listening to track 1. My main criticisms would be use of an excessively cheesy sample, lumpen 4/4 rhythm, no bass line.
Track 2 - cheesy melody using a cheesy pre-set synth sound, lumpen rhythm, no bass line.
Track 3- cheesy melody using a cheesy pre-set synth sound, lumpen rhythm, no bass line.

Utter utter shit IMO.

Makoto

02-03-2005, 11:18 AM

I thought that sounded more like Hard Trance & Hard House.

By the way, the guy on the front og that flyer, the one with the blad head and goatee. Is he a DJ, he looks like someone who I used to kinda know.

Blagsta

02-03-2005, 01:17 PM

Hard trance, hard house, hard style. All the same thing really.

02-03-2005, 03:43 PM

Lol... If someone convinces you it is over, then you stop going, it will be over. :rolleyes:

Yerascrote

02-03-2005, 06:27 PM

Although it happens to be the most cheesey bollocks ever produced?
...brilliant aint it! :D

:lol: it's unashamed cheese thats what i like about it

VinylVicky

02-03-2005, 06:45 PM

VinylVicky

02-03-2005, 06:46 PM

Well I'm listening to track 1. My main criticisms would be use of an excessively cheesy sample, lumpen 4/4 rhythm, no bass line.
Track 2 - cheesy melody using a cheesy pre-set synth sound, lumpen rhythm, no bass line.
Track 3- cheesy melody using a cheesy pre-set synth sound, lumpen rhythm, no bass line.

Utter utter shit IMO.that's cool ;) track 3 isn really good in my taste either. Did u go on german trance?

VinylVicky

02-03-2005, 06:50 PM

here's a mix
http://www.religionuk.com/mp3/Tim_Hidgem_December_04_LowQ.mp3

not sure who that bald guy is, I'll ask Tom the designer...clubbing circles tend to be one big circle dont they?

Blagsta

02-03-2005, 06:53 PM

Awful cheesy shite, for much the same reasons as previously given. I like dance music to have a bit of soul, funk, rhythm, you know, something I can actually dance to, move my hips to, get low down deep and funky. Not something that sounds like a military marching band.

VinylVicky

02-03-2005, 07:00 PM

that's cool, glad to hear your opinion again....I'll sure it'll sink in one day. ;)

Anyway, back to Felix Da Housecat, let me know what you think, it's not for everyone....I love a good old stomp to it........everyone likes different things, the music I posted is to my taste and I love to express myself to it...it's whatever flicks your switch though :D

Anyone still listen to Northern Soul?

Blagsta

02-03-2005, 07:01 PM

Anyone still listen to Northern Soul?

Now yer talking! :D

btw you ever been to House of God in Brum?

VinylVicky

02-03-2005, 07:09 PM

Now yer talking! :D

btw you ever been to House of God in Brum?never! explain!
mum used to be a northern souler...ive only ever listened to snippets of her's. It's actually my mumu that got me into clubbing. She used to go wigan casino and twisted wheel in Manc. She's sneak out her window at night. Then she went mod, then punk and then electronic (incidently she likes hardtyle ;) )

So what's House of God like and where can we go to hear Northern Soul?

Blagsta

02-03-2005, 07:13 PM

Its not a northern soul club, its a techno club in Birmingham, just celebrated its 12th birthday. Well, they used to play some northern soul in the back room, but I haven't been in about 3 years so I dunno if they still do.. If you like hard (but quality, e.g. Surgeon, Dave Clarke etc) style techno, check it out. It was a regular haunt of mine 10 years ago in Brum. They play everything from tech-house to hard as nails techno in the main room, breaks, jungle and drum'n'bass upstairs and house, hip hop, soul, funk, reggae and other random stuff in the back.

http://www.hog.org.uk/

VinylVicky

02-03-2005, 07:19 PM

sounds good, might have to to take a trip down there one day. I tend to like it hard but with a bouncy edge but i like all sorts.
Let me know if you know of any northern soul all nighters. :thumb:

Makoto

04-03-2005, 11:52 AM

Vicky, that wasn't to bad that mix tbh. Not really my thing tho dude.

VinylVicky

04-03-2005, 05:18 PM

Vicky, that wasn't to bad that mix tbh. Not really my thing tho dude.
:thumb:

morrocan roll

17-10-2005, 12:08 AM

so ...has it died yet?

Skive

17-10-2005, 09:40 AM

so ...has it died yet?

No.

Skive

17-10-2005, 11:43 AM

Infact the a particular dance scene I'm into is as big as it has ever been.
Rolly, do you not like or approve of dance music?

GoodFella

17-10-2005, 12:46 PM

Still alive and well for me :D

budda

17-10-2005, 03:28 PM

Rolly, do you not like or approve of dance music?

I think he is just wondering how it is doing, given that this thread predicting its death is now 3 years old and still going.

That and he's one of those old cogers who think music was best back in the 60's, not that he can remember back that far.

stargalaxy

17-10-2005, 03:38 PM

That and he's one of those old cogers who think music was best back in the 60's, not that he can remember back that far. What was music like back in the 1920s then, you old git? :p

budda

17-10-2005, 03:51 PM

What was music like back in the 1920s then, you old git? :p

Ahh, the old speak easy's, you dont know proper partying little man. In a few years time you will be just about old enough to have a shandy in a pub, isnt that exciting.

VinylVicky

17-10-2005, 05:32 PM

so ...has it died yet?not where i go!

morrocan roll

18-10-2005, 08:58 PM

Rolly, do you not like or approve of dance music?
like the odd tune ...especialy when a little high but ...my kids have driven me crazy with the stuff so ...it is something i have backed away from somewhat.

Bing ...i'm actualy not a big fan of much 60's stuff ...more a seventies man but ...i do buy brand new stuff as well.

Skive

21-10-2005, 02:45 PM

like the odd tune ...especialy when a little high

Rolly check out the mix (http://www.nuenergy.co.uk/audio/djmixes/mattstylebkt095.mp3)

Good stuff eh? :D

That's what you call hardcore.

Blagsta

21-10-2005, 06:08 PM

Christ, that's dreadful cheese.

Skive

21-10-2005, 06:18 PM

Christ, that's dreadful cheese.

That aint cheese. Care to put up a 'hardcore mix'?

Blagsta

21-10-2005, 06:44 PM

No, I don't like hardcore post 93. Although I have a soft spot for The Bug, Shitmat, Venetian Snares, Bong-Ra etc.

Skive

21-10-2005, 06:56 PM

No, I don't like hardcore post 93. Although I have a soft spot for The Bug, Shitmat, Venetian Snares, Bong-Ra etc.

I think 94/95 was the golden era in hardcore evolution - when the breakbeat and kickdrum sounds existed as one, and when it had started to break away from jungle.

It may not be as dark as you like but it's hardly what you can call cheesey.

Do you like this sort of stuff more? Ellis Dee & Robbie Dee (http://savefile.com/files.php?fid=5490529)

icey

21-10-2005, 07:04 PM

That aint cheese. Care to put up a 'hardcore mix'?

I wouldnt call it hardcore but i wouldnt call it cheese either...

This is cheese (http://www.dc-productions.net/download.php?id=2&l=1)

Can't really find any hardcore mixes online so um.. shoutcast? (http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=happyhardcore.&numresult=25)

what you have is old skool :D

Skive

21-10-2005, 07:08 PM

You can't just label something 'old skool'. It could be old skool house, old skool hip hop, old skool whatever you like.

That first mix I posted is hardcore.
The 2nd mix is a jungle mix.

What's being played in clubs now is a hybrid of hardcore and hard trance and the stuff being played between 96 and 2000 you could coutn as 'happy hardcore'.

Sub genres and styles flying all over the shop.

Blagsta

21-10-2005, 07:12 PM

I think 94/95 was the golden era in hardcore evolution - when the breakbeat and kickdrum sounds existed as one, and when it had started to break away from jungle.

I think it was a terrible time for hardcore because it went a different way from jungle.

It may not be as dark as you like but it's hardly what you can call cheesey.

Pre-set synth stabs and chipmunk vocals are the epitome of cheese IMO.

Do you like this sort of stuff more? Ellis Dee & Robbie Dee (http://savefile.com/files.php?fid=5490529)

I don't know, it won't download. Tbh, I'd rather listen to Derrick Carter.

icey

21-10-2005, 07:19 PM

You can't just label something 'old skool'. It could be old skool house, old skool hip hop, old skool whatever you like.

ok then, well personally i'd say its old skool hardcore because it sounds a lot like the sort of mixes heard by people like carl cox or slipmatt back in 92.
It wouldnt be classed as hardcore by todays standards however which seems to be an upbeat nu-energy hybrid.

Skive

21-10-2005, 07:22 PM

I think it was a terrible time for hardcore because it went a different way from jungle.

It evolved into light and dark - if it didn't go a different way would it not still be jungle?

Pre-set synth stabs and chipmunk vocals are the epitome of cheese IMO.

The are 3 tracks at most with high pitched vocals in an 1hr10min mix.

Skive

21-10-2005, 07:24 PM

ok then, well personally i'd say its old skool hardcore because it sounds a lot like the sort of mixes heard by people like carl cox or slipmatt back in 92.

Nah that's different again - that's what blaggy's on about.

Blagsta

21-10-2005, 07:38 PM

It evolved into light and dark - if it didn't go a different way would it not still be jungle?

Jungle took all the basslines, riddim, soul and funk and left happy hardcore with cheesy stabs and chipmunk vocals.

The are 3 tracks at most with high pitched vocals in an 1hr10min mix.

I must admit, I only skimmed through it, but the predominance of off beat one note basslines and awful brass stabs made me turn it off sharpish.

Blagsta

21-10-2005, 07:39 PM

all IM (not so) HO, natch ;)

Skive

21-10-2005, 07:57 PM

Jungle took all the basslines, riddim, soul and funk and left happy hardcore with cheesy stabs and chipmunk vocals.

That's over simplified things though.

Although hardcore did develop cheesy stabs and chipmunk vocals it wasn't staright from the split with jungle.

Happy Hardcore didn't really arrive until late 95/96.

Blagsta

21-10-2005, 08:13 PM

That's over simplified things though.

Well, yes. I'm posting on a bulletin board, not writing a cultural studies thesis. :p

Although hardcore did develop cheesy stabs and chipmunk vocals it wasn't staright from the split with jungle.

Happy Hardcore didn't really arrive until late 95/96.

Probably, I'm not too sure tbh. Although looking back from 2005, it seems to me that jungle took the good stuff, leaving the shite to turn into happy hardcore and then influence hardhouse and hardtrance.

*shudders*

Yerascrote

21-10-2005, 08:16 PM

Not much wrong with cheesy euphoric tunes imo..quite inspirational actually.

GoodFella

21-10-2005, 11:06 PM

God i hate cheesy stuff :yuck:

FilthyChav

21-10-2005, 11:25 PM

God i hate cheesy stuff :yuck:

I :heart: it. With a passion. But I also :heart: a bit of rave, d'n'b, jungle and bigbeat. Its whatever gets you going, and whatever mood you're in.

I can't stand trance, funky house and breakbeat, however.

GoodFella

21-10-2005, 11:29 PM

I :heart: it. With a passion. But I also :heart: a bit of rave, d'n'b, jungle and bigbeat. Its whatever gets you going, and whatever mood you're in.

I can't stand trance, funky house and breakbeat, however.

Some trance is good, funky house is not bad but you can't beat some good old techno :yes: .

We all have our tastes i guess .. but still cheese and happy hardcore is a no no for me :no: :D

Skive

21-10-2005, 11:33 PM

Probably, I'm not too sure tbh. Although looking back from 2005, it seems to me that jungle took the good stuff, leaving the shite to turn into happy hardcore and then influence hardhouse and hardtrance.

*shudders*

Good jungle survived longer than good hardcore IMO. But what has become of jungle now?

Again happy hardcore didn't arrive properly until 96 way after the scene had split. Out of all the hardcore styles gabber has surived without the most change, although it has slowed down a little noiw.

I still go raving, and although the music now isn't what I came to love when I first got into it, I see others with as much enthusiasm as I did way back then.
As long as people love their music for what it is rather than image, I'll never diss them or their music.

Blagsta

22-10-2005, 11:35 AM

what has become of jungle now?

Mutated and split into drum'n'bass, UK garage, grime/eski/dub-step, yardcore and breakcore.

Again happy hardcore didn't arrive properly until 96 way after the scene had split.

Naaah, people were calling it happy hardcore in 95.

Out of all the hardcore styles gabber has surived without the most change, although it has slowed down a little noiw.

Can't stand gabba, although its had a bit of an influence on the yardcore/breakcore scene.

I still go raving, and although the music now isn't what I came to love when I first got into it, I see others with as much enthusiasm as I did way back then.
As long as people love their music for what it is rather than image, I'll never diss them or their music.

I'd agree with that. Although arguing about music is fun. If you don't think that your own taste is superior then you don't care enough :p

Skive

22-10-2005, 11:47 AM

My poitn was that good Jungle disapeard quite quickly too.

And 94/95 hardcore still had breaks, it was only later on that Happy Hardcore (which lacked breaks) came through.

Skive

22-10-2005, 11:59 AM

Blagsta are you that mix won't download? Works for me.

seaweed

23-10-2005, 04:59 AM

Some trance is good, funky house is not bad but you can't beat some good old techno .

We all have our tastes i guess .. but still cheese and happy hardcore is a no no for me

I like funky house man, Love psy trance and techno, old skool garage as well, if you like eat static or zubzub check this new remixed album out of a guitarist im into TRACK 5 and 8..... (http://www.rubbishrecords.co.uk/shop/cds/daveskipper.htm) ... theres some other dancet ssamples on the site as well, :D

Makoto

23-10-2005, 11:16 AM

I :heart: it. With a passion. But I also :heart: a bit of rave, d'n'b, jungle and bigbeat. Its whatever gets you going, and whatever mood you're in.

I can't stand trance, funky house and breakbeat, however.

I like Trance, I don't really like the Top 40 type of stuff but I do love Progressive/Psy/Minimal Trance and some Goa.

Also love Progressive/Minimal House, Progressive Breaks and Atmospheric DnB.

Blagsta

23-10-2005, 01:47 PM

I like funky house man,

I love me house, but whenever anyone says "funky house", it makes me want to kill people. All house is funky by very defintion. Unfortunately, most "funky" house is anything but. It's usually tired old disco loops chucked through a filter with terrible vocals. It's what we used to call "handbag house" back in the day. Give me proper deep house or Chi-town any day.