Clubbing Sux :D

[Odelay]

If techno is so great why does it need sex appeal on its TV ads to sell itself?

Dont you think with the commercialisation of music its just a low-cost, quickly produced, easy to rip off bunch of computerised noises set to the SAME tempo for EVERY song? (and yes ive tried mixing my own songs, on a good 16 track; its time consuming and the end result sucks).

I personally hate clubbing a LOT, and this is from experience too, ive been to clubs many MANY times when I thought I had to just to be sociable (altho you cant hear each other talk). EVERY time i went they sucked. The music sux, the drink costs LOADS and even when I was drunk it sucked and the girls were annoying.

So my friend suggested hard drugs, and i figured: if you need anything like that to 'enjoy' yourself, im better off wasting my time posting in forums for idiots to flame me.

Do you not feel like corporate sheep?


If you bothered to read this then congratulations, your not hungover.

[Schnap me Baby]

good for you:rolleyes: If you really hate clubbing with the passion you say you do then stop posting in a clubbing forum and fuck off, simple as that. If you really hate it post in a forum you are interested in because your post was totally pointless in my opinion

[Odelay]

hoho

but in a forum where everyone agrees with me id have no discussion

answer one of the points i posted above, there arent many, and prove to me that techno/clubbing is non of those.

as a side point; pop is worse

[Schnap me Baby]

why do i need to prove to you that clubbing isnt any of those? who cares wheither it is or isnt at the end of the day people enjoy clubbing so let them be

[Odelay]

Do you know any other types of music?

I mean ones that arent constantly promoted all over the tv?

Hendrix? the Kinks? Radiohead? Nirvana? the Beatles (other than the poppy stuff)?



Im bothering to post all this shite cos all i see is ... yay techno, hooray for techno etc.etc.etc. and "all rock sounds the same" whenever i turn the TV on.
Im convinced that most people only like it cos its promoted more than the shit i like (see above). And if you didnt think that by listening to it everybody would suddenly be impressed by you, then i dont think youd bother with it.

[Schnap me Baby]

not all clubbing is techno and even if it was this doesnt mean that you cant like the music you like aswell. Why cant you just except that everyone likes different things and keep your opinions to yourself. This is a clubbing forum so you are not welcome here

[Odelay]

ok, lol, you have no answers to questions you obviously dont like to be asked.

answer to RNT: I'm 20, in my second year of Uni, ive been clubbing enough and ive been to enough good festivals to know the difference.

[Alistair]

Originally posted by Odelay
Hendrix? the Kinks? Radiohead? Nirvana? the Beatles (other than the poppy stuff)?

I listen to and like all those, and STILL also like clubbing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap (unless it's garage, DnB or boy/girl bands :p). Some of the songs are amazingly well done, with an interwoven mix of beats and tunes that combine to produce an amazing experience :D You just need to open your mind :p. I don't take any drugs, yet I still enjoy it. Some people like different things, accept it. I tend to like lots of different genres of music, and my friends accept it, as they know that I don't like a genre for what it's called, but like particular songs in that genre.

[wuckFit]

If techno is so great why does it need sex appeal on its TV ads to sell itself?

So do lots of other things, like newspapers, cars etc. Do they all suck as well just because they use sex appeal to make customers buy there products?? Trying to say you dont use cars or read newspapers??? Think not, daft thing to say

Dont you think with the commercialisation of music its just a low-cost, quickly produced, easy to rip off bunch of computerised noises set to the SAME tempo for EVERY song? (and yes ive tried mixing my own songs, on a good 16 track; its time consuming and the end result sucks

Sounds like your a wannabe DJ that sucks really bad and therefore doesnt like anything to do with dance music. Just leave it to people that have got sense and taste mate, you lack in it and your also doing us a favour not producing it. But hey thanks for seeing that yourself.

I personally hate clubbing a LOT, and this is from experience too, ive been to clubs many MANY times when I thought I had to just to be sociable (altho you cant hear each other talk). EVERY time i went they sucked. The music sux, the drink costs LOADS and even when I was drunk it sucked and the girls were annoying.

Big deal, find something else to do like knitting or stamp collecting which seems like an obvious choice for yourself. Seems like you being sociable isnt accepted by normal people, take the hint and dont go clubbing.

So my friend suggested hard drugs, and i figured: if you need anything like that to 'enjoy' yourself, im better off wasting my time posting in forums for idiots to flame me.

Your friend suggested it as a last attempt for you, due to the fact that you're a freak. Why your friend wants to be scene with a moany faced tit like yourself is beyond me. Not everyone needs drugs to go clubbing, some people do but not everyone.

Hendrix? the Kinks? Radiohead? Nirvana? the Beatles (other than the poppy stuff)?

These artists albums are always on TV when they have new albums out, just because they dont produce as much as all the companies that promote "techno" as you would call it, because you have something against "techno" so much, you notice it a lot more, if you looked a bit harder than the surface then you would see many adverts for music!

Do you not feel like corporate sheep?

Are you always a moany faced wanker that wants everything your own way???

[BumbleBee]

Odelay, I thought I hated clubbing too, but I was just going to the wrong places.

Not all clubs play dance, trance 'techno' etc. If you try hard enough you will find a club which plays whatever kind of music you like.

I go to rock clubs where I live and enjoy it loads better than clubs which play 'techno'.

There are clubs to suit every taste.

[Odelay]

Ive been in a band as a singer/guitarist/songwriter for 3 1/2 years:- for the guy who called me a wannabe DJ.

Techno basically sums up all the 'sub-genres' your creating for yourself to make you feel just that little bit more special:- for the guy who mentioned a million marvellous identities you can brand yourself as.

Im pointing out that the music i like doesnt need to whore itself for people to like it.

*your right about bands not being from this era
you guys have had a few good shots at it tho, but still resort to just 'god your miserable' , 'fuck off wanker' , which is stupid.

[Blagsta]

I very much doubt that you've ever actually heard any techno on TV. Stuff like Richie Hawtin, Underground Resistance, Octave One, Carl Craig, Surgeon etc.

But yes, I do hate the commercialisation of the scene, which is why I hate trance/hardhouse/hard trance/whatever they're calling it this week/NRG, 'cos its lowest common denominator rubbish.

Has the spectacle recuperated the late 80’s revolution so well that nothing else can follow?
Gatecrasher/Ministry/God’s Kitchen/Sundissential etc are pure lifestyle products, cynically marketed to today’s apathetic youth looking for rebellion.
Rave/E culture has become so mainstream that today’s kids can have their taste of anarchy and danger in a safe corporate environment.
Take a pill, snort a line, throw your hands in the air to some tedious trance. Has it really come to this?
This is why ecstasy will never be legal – as long as drugs give the youth a feeling of being naughty, the spectacle can continue to recuperate the spirit of acid house. Rebellion without the risk.
Trance has become so mainstream that its used to advertise everything from insurance to washing machines. Give ‘em a pill, let ‘em have their weekend of pretend anarchy, dancing to the soundtrack of a consumerist lifestyle.

[Lizzafins]

Originally posted by Schnap me Baby
good for you:rolleyes: If you really hate clubbing with the passion you say you do then stop posting in a clubbing forum and fuck off, simple as that. If you really hate it post in a forum you are interested in because your post was totally pointless in my opinion

I'm with you on that one.


Odelay: Have you tried hard drugs in club enviornment with tons of people, lights, dancing, and techno? Once you have, you'll understand why other people do it. I didn't get it either until I tried it.

[pistol]

"Music that doesn't have to whore itself to be popular"

Yes. That would be why the Beatles music meant so much to them, they sold the rights to M. Jackson. The Kinks- Boundry pushing 60's band who's top boy (Ray Davies) went on to right and produce the hard hitting, no holds barred album "Waterloo Sunset". Who can forget such tracks as "Mr.Pleasant" and "Holiday Romance"!! And finally Raidiohead (who i lived near to in Oxford years ago) A group of posh boy's venting there rage at the public in between shopping at Waitroes!!!

You see most clubbers have a good knowledge of music. Just can't be arsed with it because it's all about the past. Drugs have allways been a part of music too. How many people at doors gigs do you think you'd of found not off there face on acid?

Personally i just think you want to piss people off so they will reply to your thread. Maybe now you feel popular. So pull up your pants, get in that shower and down to the union bar!



;)

[Odelay]

woke up at 8am today which is early cos its the holidays, some guy is sposed to be deliviring my ADSL connection.

I turned on that ch4 show 'rise'

All I saw for atleast 20minutes was exactly what my signature says. Its propaganda and I cant help but feel you like it just cos your suckered in.
Not only that, a few months ago i saw the band JJ72 on that show. They were only asked shit questions like 'do you think the formula of 3 people in a band is a bit done-to-death' and 'dont you think rock just sounds a bit same-ish'

adsl here, cya

[Odelay]

anyway....continuing...

then i watched some guy in Manumission (spelling) get inteviewed about how great everything was, 'do you believe your progressing as an artist' , 'its really mad here aint it?' , 'so whats it like to come this far in 'x' number of years?'

they went to the beach - with Sophie(the best looking BB3 contestant) - spent time with shots of gorgeous girls dancing in the sea, talking about the craziest things theyve ever done...... blah blah blah.

But do you think they'd go to Glastonbury, Reading.... anywhere with rock bands on.... and do the same? Of course not, its not that desperate. Its fucking lame, and as far as im concerned, if you count yourself among that shit-stupid crowd, your just as suckered in as everyone else.

[Odelay]

oh and the reason im posting this is to just highlight this fact to you. And watch you get-out with a bunch of insults about how much i know and bollox like that.

[katchika]

I can't understand why this issue fills you with so much rage, maybe you should see a counseller. I mean, I am not keen on indie clubs and the attitude that a lot of "indie types" have, but I just avoid that scene and don't go on and on moaning about it. Ok, so you don't like it. But I don't see how that gives you the right to slag people off that do, and imply that they are stupid or shallow. Yes so the scene is commercial, but not everyone who is a fan of dance music buys into all of that. I don't like big expensive commercial clubs and prefer small, "unknown" venues. And if people listen to dance music when they are on their own, how can they be doing it to impress other people??

And I think they would go to glastonbury and ask people about similar things, are you trying to say rock fans aren't interested in sex or good looking men/women?

[pistol]

Um, fairly good rant there mate. I think. Unfortunately didn't see the program. Tired after last night. (went out you see).
Well you've totally persuaded me now.
I am going to quit clubbing and go to some more gigs.
Like this really good one I went to at hague hall in wigan a few years back, to see the verve. Man that was wild. It was full of all these carzy drunk northerners. Pointing at the stage, singing along and doing mad stuff like-er- throwing their drink over everyone. I don't lye when i tell you i had to throw away the top i was wearing because it smelt so bad of other people's b.o. Still it is sweaty work- jumping up and down in a group.
Which brings me to my next point. Who's the sheep- the man who wears what he want's, dances how he like's or the man stood with everyone else, facing the same way, singing the same song?

Please find an answer. It's quite amusing watching your tantrums!

[wuckFit]

Which brings me to my next point. Who's the sheep- the man who wears what he want's, dances how he like's or the man stood with everyone else, facing the same way, singing the same song?

What a class statement, sums it up in one!

Brilliant mate :D

Odelay, mind and buy a dummy tit the next time you're out.

[budda]

I think hating something as whide ranging as dance music is somewhat pointless. I mean you may well not like it, a lot of people dont but is it worth your hatred?
If you really have such an aversion to it why dont you try and set up your own club night playing what you want to hear?
If your just going to rant about it and not actualy try and do anything to change it whats the point?

I would aggree that quite a lot of clubs arent really the greatest placest on earth, but have you walked in most pubs in the UK? Most of those are filled with drunk offensive people.
I think, as many have mentioned, it depends on where you go, if you dont like the 'corperate' clubs why dont you try and go to some free or sqwat parties?

Plus I really not sure about the term 'hard drugs' which ones are you refering to exactly. Yes drugs are linked to the clubs but then booze is to pubs. I'd aggree that a lot of people dont use drugs carefully but then a lot of people get too drunk, if you dont like it DONT GO!

[Skive]

Originally posted by Alistair
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap (unless it's garage, DnB or boy/girl bands :p)

Don't ever group D&B together with Garage and cheesey pop!

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Skive
Don't ever group D&B together with Garage

Why not? Theres loads of similarities, especially between breakbeat garage and the more jump up, ragga end of drum'n'bass/jungle. All part of the same scene if you ask me.

[Mindless all the way]

What you are ranting about is commercial 'techno' (which is not techno at all). And like there is with any type of music, there is a commercial section to the 'techno' genre. You talked about how they wouldn't do that with Glasto, or festivals like that. But Glastonbury gets live Tv coverage, with all the papers going on about it, everyone hyping it up, Jools presenting it saying hows its the best glastonbury ever (every year). Vfestivals are commercial....
Look at the charts. There's commercial 'techno', commercial garage, hip-hop, rock, everything. You insult the entire rave-culture, from what you know of (what sounds like) the commercial end of it. You wouldn't hear me saying that all rock is crap because I've heard Crazy Town (who are shite), because I know that Crazy Town is the commercial end of it all.

Try going to a proper underground club, before calling it crap based on the commercial ones.

[Skive]

Originally posted by Blagsta
All part of the same scene if you ask me.

Not at all... if you were into D&B/Jungle the difference between the scenes is quite noticable - Jungle is wicked, Garage is gash!

Have a listen to ShyFX (http://www.drumandbasszone.co.uk/shyskibashabba.ram)

[100% Chevalier]

Originally posted by Odelay
they went to the beach - with Sophie(the best looking BB3 contestant) - spent time with shots of gorgeous girls dancing in the sea, talking about the craziest things theyve ever done...... blah blah blah.

But do you think they'd go to Glastonbury, Reading.... anywhere with rock bands on.... and do the same? Of course not, its not that desperate.

Erm, RISE did do OBs and interviews from Glastonbury and Reading, and there was an extremely good reason for the lack of bikinis and dancing in the sea: they were filming in Glastonbury and Reading. :rolleyes: *giggles*

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by Skive
Not at all... if you were into D&B/Jungle the difference between the scenes is quite noticable - Jungle is wicked, Garage is gash!

Have a listen to ShyFX (http://www.drumandbasszone.co.uk/shyskibashabba.ram)

Yes, I'm listening to it, and there is a huge similarity between it and the ragga end of the UK garage scene - rough breaks, deep bass, ragga chatting etc. Garage is a bit slower and has more soul/r'n'b elements, but they are very similar.

Have a listen to some of the pirates and you'll see.

[Blagsta]

In fact take a look at this track listing from a Heartless Crew CD and then tell me theres no crossover between hardcore, jungle and UK garage

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000066A1A.02.MZZZZZZZ

Track Listings
Disc: 1
1. Earth Wind & Fire - Lets Groove
2. George Morel - Morel's Groove
3. The Ant'ill Mob - Burning
4. Big Bird - Flava
5. Reel 2 Reel - I like To Move It
6. Tina Moore - Never Gonna Let U Know
7. Missy - Lick Shots
8. Tables Have Turned - Tables have turned
9. Pretty Boys - Brass Pocket
10. Ice Rider - Riddim Track
11. Mr Reds - Closer
12. Roy Davis Jnr - Gabrielle
13. Pretty Boys - Sexy Boy
14. Heartless Crew - Heartless Theme
15. Urban Myths - Makin Me Feel
16. Dave Kelly - Show Time
17. DEA - Circles
18. Menta - Sounds Of Da Future
19. Smooth - Undercover Lover
20. The Jam Experience - Feel My Love
21. M-Dubs - Over You
22. Donell Jones - Playa's In The Hood
23. Jammin - Hold On
24. DJ Hatcha - Bashment

Disc: 2
1. Brandy - I Wanna Be Down
2. Shy FX - Nothing Gonna Stop
3. Shy FX - The Message
4. Origin Unknown - Truly One
5. Leftside & Esco - Double Jeopardy
6. DJ SS - MA2
7. Pascal - P-Funk
8. Richard Browne
9. Dope Skills - 6 Million Ways
10. Andy C - Roll On
11. Rohan Fuller - Rice & Peas Version
12. Shy FX - Funkin Dem Up
13. DJ Hype - Peace Love & Unity
14. DJ Stretch & DJ Ride - Selector
15. Nate Dogg - I Got Love
16. Adina Howard - Freak (jungle mix)
17. Danny Breaks - Easy
18. Tweet - Oops Oh My
19. The X - New Dawn
20. Shy FX - Wolf (remix)
21. Kang - Scatter
22. Sunshine Anderson - Heard It All Before


Have a listen to The Stanton Warriors - The Stanton Session as well

[budda]

There is a similarity with Garage and Drum and Bass in their beat structure, the way that they are laid out, and they both are similar to soul and that type of thing.

The difference is in the Clubs, go to a garage event and your'll get lots of moody arses snorting their own weight in charlie and trying to look like 'the man' Why they dont just messure their dicks outside and get it over and done with I dont know.

Now go to a Jungle club and most, not all but most will be big fans of the music who are there just for that reason and couldnt really give a fuck about other people they just want to dance.

Also for some unholy reason they have started having garage rooms at hardcore events, fuck knows why so I guess you could say theres some cross over there. However they are in beat structure quite different.

[Blagsta]

Originally posted by bongbudda
The difference is in the Clubs, go to a garage event and your'll get lots of moody arses snorting their own weight in charlie and trying to look like 'the man' Why they dont just messure their dicks outside and get it over and done with I dont know.

Jungle clubs had that perception as well, back in the early 90's. Personally, I wouldn't know, I very rarely go to clubs these days. But the parties that I hear garage at round here (mixed up with jungle, dancehall, hip hop etc) are OK, the odd moody fucker, but you get that everywhere, generally everyone gets on and gets down.
Anyway, I was talking about the music - and there is a lot of crossover.

[edited to add]
BTW a friend of mine's 18 year old son just came back from holiday in Falariki where he met and hung out with some members of So Solid Crew, and they were really nice and down to earth, not gangsterish at all. Dane Bowers was a twat though, apparently.

[Skive]

bongbudda explained exactly what I wanted to say. There may be similarities in the music but that's where it ends... the two 'scenes' in every other sense are quite different.

Even though there are similarities the difference is clear, well it is to me anyway. There's enough of a difference for me to dislike one genre and absolutley thrive on the other! :D

[Blagsta]

To dislike a genre of music due to the perception you have of some of the fans is a bit odd IMO.
I don't go to garage or jungle clubs, but I like both genres of music...

[Skive]

Originally posted by bongbudda
To dislike a genre of music due to the perception you have of some of the fans is a bit odd IMO.

When did I say that is why I dislike Garage?

Sorry if I was unclear in my last post but what I was trying to say is that I see enough of a difference in the Music for me to dislike one and enjoy listening to the other!

[Blagsta]

I originally posted that, not bongbuddha.
Sorry if I misunderstood you.
Anyway, I still stand by my original point - there is a lot of crossover between the jungle and garage scenes.
For the record, I hate all the bullshit macho gangsta posturing that comes with garage, and used to be part of the jungle scene as well. But that kind of posturing comes from the Jamaican dancehall/ragga scene which has quite an influence on early jungle and UK garage, theres a good article here
http://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/thielen.html
about 'slackness' in the reggae/dancehall scene.
Sometimes to understand a music and its associated culture, you have to know a bit about the history of where it comes from. But having said that, if you don't like it, you don't like it, fairynuff, but don't dismiss the connections between jungle and UK garage - they are there.

[Airbus_pilot]

Obelay,

the "clubbing people"((hmm..who come from the club planet??)) have pea sized brains,and its a well known fact that absolutely everyone who goes clubbing takes drugs,honestly,look at the syringe stockpiles outside :rolleyes:
And they are generally all dropouts from school / college ((yeah,right)),blokes trying to impress the sluts ((fact of life)) because anyone with a brain doesn`t need to be herded together with a group of pissed morons to have fun,((I kinda agree))and the music is sh1te anyway ((its not the music,its the bass..)).And afterwards all they want to do is fight and smash up cars / windows. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ((Again,untrue.they also start fights with ordinary members of the public and throw glass bottles at them)).

Seriously,told to me by my 14 year old nephew,he is an expert you see and from his years of clubbing experiance he shared his wisdom.I thought i`d share it with you.Do you want his e-mail address??? You should start a campaign against clubs!! (C.A.C):rolleyes:

Seriously though,try a wider range of clubs before you generalise them and write them off.