Whinging boring Students

[bluepeta]

it really amazes me how students can feel hard done by. they havre a cruisy life, get up at midday, drink every night of the week and then moan that they don't get enough support from the government (Ie Me and You).<P class="body">Well i'm SORRY, but i have no sympathy!!!<P class="body">I left school when I was 16 and have worked ever since. i was paid practically nothing at first but have now worked hard, long hours and make enough to be comfortable.<P class="body">And now my taxers are paying for students to get pissed up every night. <P class="body">so stop whinging!

[monkey929]

Usually people like that are unaware they have it so easy. Its just a case of "you don't know how good you have it till its gone."<P class="body">I think the best way to look at is there always going to someone better off and worse off than you, so no point in whining either way.

[brandonwalsh]

Originally posted by monkey929:
"you don't know how good you have it till its gone."
<P class="body">wow -- janet jackson is in our midst ;-)<P class="body">seriouslly though, not all students piss their grants away in the union. although, come to think of it, i don't know of any that don't!

[swt_uk]

Hmmmm - so dissertations, exams, essays, presentations, coursework squashed inbetween 2-3 part time jobs doesn't take much effort???<P class="body">If you'd stayed at school a while longer I think you'd have the brain cells to realise that yes, students do actually have to work.<P class="body">Students can hardly be punished for having career aspirations higher than a factory floor worker can they????<P class="body">If you fancy leading the life of a student then get yourself a massive bank debt and stay up 24hrs a day by working, studying and partying. Then try saying it's an easy life.

[DoctorBob]

Originally posted by swt_uk:
If you'd stayed at school a while longer I think you'd have the brain cells to realise that yes, students do actually have to work.
<P class="body">A bit harsh don't you think? But other than that, I agree, all this "bloody student" crap we hear calls for a FACT.<P class="body">FACT: Only through education can we acheive economic growth. And so the fact that this is at least partly subsidised by the Government (your taxes) is good. So stop whining. In short, using my fuzzed-up logic, if you didn't pay for us to go to Uni, you wouldn't even have the job you have yourself.

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[bluepeta]

Originally posted by swt_uk:
Hmmmm - so dissertations, exams, essays, presentations, coursework squashed inbetween 2-3 part time jobs doesn't take much effort???<P class="body">If you'd stayed at school a while longer I think you'd have the brain cells to realise that yes, students do actually have to work. <P class="body">Shit, if i ever needed living proof that students were moaners, then here it is. And you have 2-3 part-time jobs? Yeah right! propping up the bar at the union doesn't count!<P class="body">And no need to get personal - just because i didn't go to university doesn't mean i'm stupid.

[SpikeIsland]

I agree with Bluepeta. I am a student. I love being a student. There are some disadvantages. For a few weeks out of the year I have to work my ass of for exams, essays, etc. I also have a huge amount of debt and right now I have no idea where my next pint is coming from.
The rest of the time everything is great. I have a great social life. I have plenty of free time to do things I want. The time I spend working is time spent on an interesting activity that I chose to study rather than just something to earn a quick buck.
So, in total being a student is great but why begrudge us our fun?

[Pete]

I've got a solution for all you students, don't go out and drink nearly every night, don't book holidays, in fact why don't you use all you hand outs on what they are supposed to be for and thats furthering your education. If you just stuck to studying you would all achieve your goals better and quicker, then you can all get a job like the rest of us! And if you all get a job then you will be able to buy more of they baggy clothes that have chains hanging from every thread <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> And I say to that ignoramis that came to the conclusion that just because you leave school early or don't go on to further education, you are a total asshole, I left at the end of fifth year and I have recently gained promotion to department supervisor within a rather large electronic firm and I earn £20,000 + bonuses a year so learn the facts before you try and bring us down, its people like you, who give students a bad name!

[Charlie]

Okay, guilty as charged - I'm a student and I moan a lot. But doesn't everyone like the odd moan every so often? I think the way University is setup, it encourages students to act like they do. I know that if it wasn't like this, I'd spend more time studying/working at a p/t job than drinking and writing shite on messageboards.
Everyone has their place in society, and yes being a student, like anything else is not the piece of cake many will have you believe. A lot of what you hear is true, a lot merely an overgrown stereotype.

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[laws]

Life is supposed to be fun, and uni is the best time of your life. So please, dont begrudge us it! We've got the rest of our lives for being sensible, saving money, working 9-5 in a job we hate and setting up pension schemes, just enjoy let us it while we can.

[fabio]

i agree with bluepeta im only 16 but i work full time i started my own business last year and i dont need to go out everynight getting pissed to have a good time, things are to easy for most of you lol,

[lucy180485]

i dont agree but probably only cos im 15!!!!!

[Really]

It is a fact that over the past fifteen years that the government has been systematically taking all benefits off students.
In 1985, we had a student lodger, at that time he recieved housing benefit and a grant.
The money he recieved allowed him to study and pass his course.
I believe that people are out of touch with the current financial situation of students reliant on the Government to maintain them throughtout their studies.
Please rest assured that 'free education' for the over twenty's is now a myth.
People studying these days have to pay back ALL of the money they use during their studies.
These are the facts.

[GwaiMui]

I was forced to leave home at 16 years of age and I supported myself through my A-Levels and my time at uni.

In the end I didn't finish my degree and I have shit loads of debt from studying.

I am successful now and I must admit that there were some complete and utter wankers at uni but please remember not to generalise.

Not everyone is the same and it is narrow minded to believe that they are.

I feel more angry that my taxes pay for some lazy asses to sit on their butts all day simply because they don't want to work but they think its ok to keep having scores of kids.

Not everyone on the dole is lazy. I had no choice but to sign on at a point in my life.

So some students are sad moaners and some doleys are lazy wasters, but not everyone is the same.

nuff said!

[helly]

to bluepeta,
sounds 2 me like ur kinda jealous of the li8fe as a student at college and uni. i think that if u have the guts, and ambitions 2 go 2 uni, college then u deserve a little alcohol and partyin.
if ud remained at school, or gone to college then u wouldnt of had shit pay.
education is 1 of the most important things now adays, u need all u can get. although its been proven that most of the degrees studied arnt actually used in the jobs the students then do. so i suppose it would b awaste of time for most, but at least u could have a few letters after ur name, it sdounds kinda good.
please dont take offence
love ya helly

[Neph]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bluepeta:
"they havre a cruisy life, get up at midday, drink every night of the week and then moan that they don't get enough support from the government"

i am a student from reading college and although i am not scheduled to be IN college all day every day, we have to spend all day everyday working on assignments.

of course after all the hard work we need to have one or two.
it is also very important to have a social life or at least to get out. students dont go out everynight.
most cant afford to.
we have to juggle part time jobs with college work, exams, being dragged away by the parents, and bills when we live away from home.

i spent the whole of last year living in a flat i rented and working for peanuts everyday at a shit sports chain. i was 17 then.
the whole experience has made me grow up much quicker, and i can see things from both points of view.

i hope you dont have anything shit to say about this as i have not slagged you off.

please reply.

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[Mortal_Wombat]

The thing is, you can moan about students all you like, but thhen what the economy be like without them?

As someone mentioned - a nation full of factory workers. It's lucky not everyone is stupid enough not to go to uni, and we have a couple of people who work hard to earn more than a measly £20k p.a.

It just seems stupid to me that people want to leave school at 16 and then go and get a crap job on crap wages and mis out on all the moaning and whinging that uni life can give you.

[sashana]

I disagree strongly, I am a thrid year university and feel you see only the steriotypical image of student but think about this:

1) we now no longer get a grant so have to get a loan.
2) we now pay fees so our loan gets swallowed up.
3) for those who get a job they can't hold it that long due to their studys so in the end no money is coming in
4) the amount of work we have at any year we need at least 29 hrs in a day as all lecturers forget we have other subjects.
5) most of us are away from home so travelling back to our family costs quite a bit now!

okay i have had my say

oh yeah...

6) we still have bills to pay: phone, rent, electricity, water, gas for some people and that does not include the hundreds of pounds needing to be spent on books

no money left for getting pissed at the end of that!!!!! but then again no money for essentials either GOVERNMENT, BUCK UP YOUR IDEAS!!!!!!



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[EvilH@cker]

Oh my god u r so stupid. i hate posh people like you. i am a factory worker you dickhead and thre aint noting rong with me is ther!

u r so stupid, i h8 ur sort, i thinc every1 here does 2 because educated does not mean you are better than any1 else does it becos realy u think u r so clever but realy we are the clever ons ho no much more than u do

cos at leest we have jobs and r not scronjing off the guverment and stuf for monee and things anyway cos i dont cos i have my money i am a factory worker so dont take the piss out of your elders

u must be a student, i can smel u off a mil away u idiot. i wil nt u one if i see u. i shal kil u if u dont wach it u cokky git

[dirty_harry]

you can smell us, what about ur body odour? we're not posh, we just aint quite as low as factory workers. I guess we must seem pretty posh getting education and all. We dont scrounge money. At least you got a job? We got jobs too and they're alot better that factory jobs. what qualifications u got, anything? hmmmm....A level computing, business, accounting? I'd lick ur as if you managed that.

Anyway, think ur a hacker, c'mon, hack my computer then if u think ur hard enough.

[This message has been edited by dirty_harry (edited 03-11-2000).]

[dirty_harry]

and bluepeta stop ur bitching. You seem to be the whiner.

[GwaiMui]

Listen up everyone...

I am working class and I am in the higher rate of tax payers!

Intelligent people can rise up from the slums, its all about knowing what u want and going out there and getting it.

It should be said that intelligent ppl and dumbasses can come from any social background.

I have an education and so can anyone else in this country that has got the brains and the ambition regardless of their backgrounds.

If I become a millionnaire I will still be working class and god damn proud!

Just because someone works in factory does not make them dumb and just because someone is a well off does not make them 'posh'

Stop the fucking class hatred for crying out loud!

[Mortal_Wombat]

Damn right! I come from a shithole and I've been offered scholarship from Berkeley and Cambridge, and I'm chuffed and I know it'[s because I've WORKED MY ARSE OFF!

So dickhead hacker twat, FUCK OFF!!!

[dirty_harry]

mortal wombat, respec'

[Wind]

Don't you just love it when people slag off students??!!
I am studying to become a teacher, i apologise for the fact that this involves me going to university, but i have no choice in the matter. I apologise for the fact that i am given no financial support whatsoever to do this, other than a loan which i will pay back myself once i start teaching on a low salary. Yes I do go out and socialise and get drunk, but i pay for it, it is no different to my working friends at home who go out and do the very same thing. Students may not have full days of lectures (and some do) but there is a lot of self directed study and if everyone just dossed about as was originally suggested then they wouldn't get degrees at the end of it. Everyone has different talents in life so who are we to stop those whose talents are academic? No, going to university doesn't make you a better person it just allows you to develop what you are good at.

[Carriage Return]

Originally posted by Wind:

I am studying to become a teacher, i apologise for the fact that this involves me going to university, but i have no choice in the matter. I apologise for the fact that i am given no financial support whatsoever to do this, other than a loan which i will pay back myself once i start teaching on a low salary.

no, you won't start paying it back until you are on an average salary, which is around 18k

[Broken Heart]

Originally posted by bluepeta:
it really amazes me how students can feel hard done by. they havre a cruisy life, get up at midday, drink every night of the week and then moan that they don't get enough support from the government (Ie Me and You).&lt;P class="body"&gt;Well i'm SORRY, but i have no sympathy!!!&lt;P class="body"&gt;I left school when I was 16 and have worked ever since. i was paid practically nothing at first but have now worked hard, long hours and make enough to be comfortable.&lt;P class="body"&gt;And now my taxers are paying for students to get pissed up every night. &lt;P class="body"&gt;so stop whinging!

LOLOLOLOLOL Get up at midday?!!!! I NEVER get up any later that 7am unless I book the time off work!

Monday I work from 9am till about 8.30pm. Then I get home & have tea, take the dog for a walk. It's then getting on for 10pm when I can relax.

Tuesday I'm at college from 9am till 4.15pm. Then I get home at about 5pm. I take the dog for a walk have tea. Then I do coursework.

Wednesday I work 9am till 5pm. I then normally go to a football training session till 7pm (OK thats my choice) I get home about 8pm and then i take the dog out again and do coursework if I didn't finish it the night before.

Thursday I'm at college from 9am till 3:15pm. I rush home, get changed and and get to work for 4.30pm. I usually get out of work at about 8.30pm. Go home have tea and take the dog for a walk. Do coursework.

Friday, I'm at college from 9am until 4.15pm I get home for about 5pm. Have dinner, take the dog for a walk. Then I do coursework. Then I pass out!

I can't go out Friday nights cause I have to be up for 6am the next day. I work from 8am till 4pm go home walk the dog have tea etc etc. So I have a free Saturday evening. I still can't go out and enjoy myself cause guess what?

I walk Sunday 9am till 2pm. Then I have the rest of sunday free.

If your still with me then well done but that isn't going out having fun every night getting pissed and getting up at midday! Us students do a hell of a lot SO GET OFF OUR BACKS WILL YA!

Remember when your older! You'll want us to pay your pention! If we don't study and get decent wages then you won't get a decent pension <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">

I could go on and on but I won't bore you all anymore!!


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[j9j9]

So how do you get the time to come here Broken Heart lol.

J9

[Broken Heart]

Originally posted by j9j9:
So how do you get the time to come here Broken Heart lol.

J9

I haven't had much coursework this past week <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> i managed to get it all done in lesson



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[Spirit]

I reckon students living off the DSS are not such a bad thing as everyone makes out. If people didnt go to university or college we wouldnt have people who were Doctors, Nurses, Dentists, Scientists, Designers of all things, Computer Analists and ,any more jobs like that.

[Broken Heart]

OK bluepeta what else have you got to say? Next time you slag us students off make sure you can back yourself up!


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[j9j9]

Originally posted by Broken Heart:
OK bluepeta what else have you got to say? Next time you slag us students off make sure you can back yourself up!




You probably won't get much of a response, last time bluepeta posted was 14th July!!

<IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> j9

[Broken Heart]

Originally posted by j9j9:
You probably won't get much of a response, last time bluepeta posted was 14th July!!

<IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> j9

Yeah but he never backed himself up then



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[Broken Heart]

aa crap afternoon lessons were cancelled <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">

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[JB]

I know this topic is a bit at an end, but I thought I'd give my pennysworth.

I go to Warwick Uni. Quite middle class, but better than most of the other top ten uni's in terms of public/private/independent school people versus state school (includes me).

Firstly, there are a shitload of people who get drunk a hell of a lot at Uni. Can't be denied. But fact is that most of the people I know who do that also work more than 60 hours a week at their degree and part time jobs. They get drunk to relax. Then of course, there's the difference between first years and third years (finalists). When they first get there, first years tend to go a bit mental. By the third year, most of them work their ass off to do the best they can.

The other thing is, that people who just get pissed all the way through tend to do much worse than the people who don't. And loads get chucked out as well, and don't come back in any shape or form. Also like ppl have said the whole Loans thang means you really don't want to waste your time here. Most students now come out of Uni 8000 to 15000 pounds in debt.

BTW, as for lazy: what's the most hours you've worked in a week? I run my own business as well as being a finalist and trying to do other stuff, and last year over 1 month I averaged 140 hours a week. As a result I was ill for a while and am now an insomniac and workaholic. But hey, we've all got our faults.

BTW this is my week off. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">

[JB]

Originally posted by j9j9:
When I ran my own business I used to do 12-14 hour days (not very good for your marriage!!)

j9


Yeah, I have the same problem with my girlfriend and I.

[j9j9]

Originally posted by JB:
Yeah, I have the same problem with my girlfriend and I.

No, it's you girlfriend who has the problem lol.

j9

[AndyD]

seeing as everyone else seems to have rambled on about this I thought I'd add my two-pennies worth.

Everyone's views have a validity based on their different life journeys. I have worked full-time, done full-time study at Uni and presently I'm doing a masters with the Open University (presently part-time, perhaps going full time next year). So that's where I'm coming from.

Ultimately I believe that with the vast amount of food farmers can now fairly reliably produce, it should be a human right for everyone's basic needs (basic education, food, healthcare and shelter) to be met. If they are met, then in turn people will give back to society. Perhaps through rearing children, managing the economy, studying and discovering new knowledge for mankind etc...

If some people then feel they want to work in a factory and others in front of a computer or study in a library so be it.

Someone suggested we need education for economic growth. I would contest this and point out we also need education for people to consider alternatives to economic growth! Growth to what end? Progress, happiness?

In the UK our basic needs r essentially met and after than it should be the right of the individual to determine how their time in life is spent. I would argue on this basis that virtually-free Education (life-long: institutionalised learning or self-directed) is a right and that if people enjoy working sixty hour weeks to develop a business then so be it - let them get on with it, but that should not be at the expense of people at the lower end of the wage scale not having their basic needs met.

Oh - and I appreciate the contestability of what are 'basic needs', but will ramble another day on that front if u like. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">

Sorry if the argument is not totally coherent and fully explained, but it is late.

bw

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[JB]

Just thought I'd say that there are huge numbers of people in our society who are completely failed and whose needs are met in no way at all.

Homelessness and housing, poverty, malnutrition, etc. are all still big problems in the UK, though it's easy sometimes to overlook them (never mind problems such as child abuse). Loads of related problems e.g. if you're homeless you're excluded from much of the NHS (can't register at a GP's surgery). The problems on this site are the tip of the iceberg (everyone here has inet access); there are people far more disenfranchised by society, so I think it is a bit naive to say people's basic needs are essentially met.

[Whowhere]

bluepeta may be a tax payer now, but what about when he retires? Then he'll expect US to pay taxes. He doesnt realise that when he is at home wetting himself and peeing in a bag it will be us earning money and paying for HIS home help. And in todays world £20,000 isnt a lot of money. Think about where u would be now if u had A-levels and a degree? So dont call us wasters, we are the future, you need us more than we need you

[Broken Heart]

I agree!!!

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[AwaitingFate]

This post is more then dead. Its decomposing - i know.

But I gotta add my comments...

This whole argument of "if we didn't have students the economy would be in a poor state, so those without a uni education should fuck off". What a load of COCK!

ANYONE can go to university. I mean anyone. Almost anyone can go to a decent uni if their memory is good enough to regurgitate shit onto paper during their a-levels. And if you can't... then take a GNVQ, and you can shit albeit at a constipated rate.

This isn't really a bad thing, but to be honest, going to uni in this day and age, says fuck all about your level of intellect. What it does say is you are motivated (if you get through), willing to work, and have some idea what you are talking about.

However, if you have an ambition, and you can reach it without going to University. Then I see no reason to go. All of my friends are going to Uni. Education seems to be the last thing on the agenda, and good luck to them, wish i could join them sometimes. However i'm following my own career path - the route i chose was high risk and felt a bit more fun.

There is something you maybe should note. Education is a gift - yes. Does the government hand out this gift for YOUR personal satisfaction? No. How can a country maintain a healthy economy. By providing a large stream of trained minds to companies allowing them to maintain their competitive edge. For two brains to be better than one, you have to sing the same song. This is why when you study you'll read the same books. Your minds are synchronised. The government are also relying on something else to keep the economy afloat - innovators. Granted, many of these come from Uni, an alarming proportion do not. And why? To innovate you MUST think differently. This is incredibly hard if you are told what to think. Another huge proportion of innovators are university dropouts, those that felt conflict with the system. These tend to be the people that go on to change the system.

These people musn't be forgotten. After all, these are the people you will be working for when you finish your education. Its your choice. My advice - educate yourself. If you do it well enough, your mind will truly be unique and innovative. Obviously, this is still possible if you go to Uni. But don't accept the rules written in the book, challenge them. Change them.

[Talyn]

I`m a student and I bloody hate it. I prefer going to work to going to college.
I have to get up at 7.15 am, don`t finish will 4.30.
I have shitloads of essays, assignments, coursework, not to mention doing stuff around the house and working 18 hours a week.
I don`t party much though, don`t see the point in getting pissed every night if you`re just gonna regret it the next day.
College can be very mentally exhausting, cespecially in the IT course i`m doing which will be worth 3 A-Levels if I pass.

I admit some students do use it as an excuse to get pissed/stoned and not work, but please don`t paint us all with the same brush.

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[ConfusedMale]

I'm going to uni in the next few weeks, and at least I'm going to do something with my life.

I have absolutely no grudge against anyone who works, or whatever. And yeah, some people go to uni, arse about, drink themselves silly, and whatever. Fine. But dont typecast all students like that, a lot (including me) go there to try and get qualifiactions and experiences that will set them up for life.

I also thing that the financial side helps the student come to terms with budgeting, and this is damn important when it comes to later life etc.

Personally I think students ARE hard done by, (okay im scottish, goin to a scottish uni, so im gettin my tuition fees paid by the gov) <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> but every penny loaned out is paid pack in time, often with interest.

Dont diss people beacuse they want to do something with their lives.

[DemonK1d Skatewear.Inc]

Jeez why are you so bitter bluepeta dude? It sounds a lot like you're envious of the life everyone is having that you didn't get! And I am one of those baggy chains hanging everywhere (well, only out of 1 pocket <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"> ) people. Wowhere was totally right about you needing us more than we need you. You don't get anywhere in life anymore without a uni degree under your belt and that my friend is a fact. I'd like to see you try to get a job working for the Times with what you've got. "Life experience" pah, don't make me laugh!

[Miss P]

QUOTE: You don't get anywhere in life anymore without a uni degree under your belt and that my friend is a fact.

In my opinion that is total crap!! You don't have to have a Uni degree at all to do well. I for example chose not to go to Uni after doing a GNVQ in Business I decided I wanted to get out into the big wide world and start earning some money. I've now been working for 5 years and I am an Accountant for a large charity, get paid shit loads of money and have a very good job. I chose to carry on studying but part time thus giving me the best of both worlds - carrying on with my Education while at the same time gaining work experience and getting paid for it aswell.

To become an Accountant people that have gone to Uni still have to do at least a year of the proffesional Accountancy qualification i.e ACCA/CIMA after their degrees so they are no better off and they have no work experience.

I think the only thing that I missed out on by not going to Uni is the social side of it. But then again my social lifes pretty good anyway as I have the money from working to do pretty much what I want.

So I think the statement that to get anywhere in life you need to have gone to uni is bollox!!

[Justin Sane]

I've been reading this debate with interest and have decided to join in.. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">

I'm working class myself, so-so salary, I went to college but dropped out and I've been paying taxes since I was 16..

You don't get anywhere in life anymore without a uni degree under your belt and that my friend is a fact.

As mentioned before thats totally BS, these days just because you go to college or Uni for that matter doesn't mean you'll get a job and if you don't doesn't mean you won't make it anywhere... thats the kind of arguement that damages students in general. I left school without many qualifications, dropped out of college to join the army and since then have spent the time sorting myself out, I'm now an IT Systems Support Technician and in my attitude am doing better than quite a few of my mates. Just because I don't have a degree doesn't mean I can't do well for myself, for my age I think I'm doing pretty darn good.

bluepeta may be a tax payer now, but what about when he retires? Then he'll expect US to pay taxes.

At the rate the current govenment is going the NI pension will be abolished by then, thats why all people are expected to take out private pensions these days which pay for themselfs by years of installments.

And in todays world £20,000 isnt a lot of money. Think about where u would be now if u had A-levels and a degree?

This I agree on, personally I know if I'd got my A-Levels and a degree then I'd be earning more than I am now, but just because you have a degree doesn't mean you ever stop learning and if you don't have one doesn't mean you won't get one in the future... the one thing I've certainly learnt is that in todays society you never stop learning, your always expected to continue educating yourself whether thats on-the-job training or qualifications.

So dont call us wasters, we are the future

This I also agree with, students aren't wasters they do work hard, some students do let the name down for others and thats who I sometimes have disagrements with. I suppose people can get the wrong impression reading about how students wax their loan on cars/stereos and clubbing then take out other loans to fund the actual course. From mates of mine (maybe a minority) they certainly do spend a percentage of the loan on spoiling themselfs but everyone deserves some form of congradulation for making it that far, besides they always have to pay it back.

I suppose the only time students bug me, being honest, is those ones who complain openly, frequently and expect special treatment. I understand that students aren't always listened to, but sometimes they get a bit out of hand, especially when they compare themselfs to others working or think they can change the world. This as well is also a minority.

I think why some younger people (U25) can get annoyed is that sometimes students moan how difficult it is for them studying and trying to earn a living and think its easy for those working, which is often not the case.

I know from my own experience that the govenment basically just doesn't really cater for those on a so-so income who live alone and are just above the income support tax bracket. They have to survive on thier own and often hold down several jobs to sustane that property, some jobs also except that individual to study various courses outside of work along with expecting them to learn to drive when they literally have £30 left after all deductions each week, and the govenments just expect you to get on with it.

Maybe that kind of lifestyle could annoy people especially when they hear students forever moaning....

Basically what I've been saying is that yes students aren't wasters and don't always get it easy but then nor do workers of a similar age, however students have more voice (in a workers opinion) then they do... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">

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[DemonK1d Skatewear.Inc]

Miss P you say you work as an accountant for a charity organisation?? AND you get paid shit loads of money?!?! Fuck that then if that's where the money goes when I donate to causes!

[Miss P]

Demonk1d did you really think that everyone that works for a charity doesn't get paid?! I suppose that just proves that some students don't have a clue about the 'real' world.

The Salary I get is no more or no less than the average rate for an Accountant. Just because I work for a charity doesn't mean I should get paid any less than someone working in the Private Sector.
If Charities didn't pay the going rate they would end up having to employ a lower level of staff i.e Graduates with no work experience and no idea of how a business works.

A charity operates the same way any other business does it just doesn't make a profit as its resources are used to assist their cause.

[DemonK1d Skatewear.Inc]

Well I think that people who work for charities shouldn't get large wages as they give up this for others. Maybe I'm just being too moral for some people.

[Justin Sane]

Well I think that people who work for charities shouldn't get large wages as they give up this for others.

Think about it on another level then, a charity in context is a large non-profit making organisation which is funded by the kindness of the people.

As it has an income it needs accountants and various other departments to look after its finanial stability and structure along with other administrative roles, this isn't no part-time job and it isn't something any run-of-the-mill (excuse the phrase) person could do coming from your average street.

Its a professionals area and they don't come free, these guys need to work full-time and need wages to pay for themselves, they still have to eat, have cars, morgages and pay for their family don't they?

I could hardly see many accountants work for nothing when they could earn say £30k working in the business sector.

.... did you think about it that way? <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">

[DemonK1d Skatewear.Inc]

Lol point taken Justin.

You sure like your long posts don'tcha? <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">

[Justin Sane]

You sure like your long posts don'tcha?

I've got a lot to say and a big mouth... heh

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[byny]

Is it true that students HAVE to pay back all their loan - I thought that was only true if they earned over a certain amount (Something like £14, 000?)

It's just that I never took up a Student loan, I had an overdraft instead and I've been paying it back for 10 years! The most I have ever earned is £13,000. If I'm right in my first assumption I wouldn't have to pay off my student loan (Had I got one) and I'd be £110 better off each month - I might even be able to save for a deposit on a house, or have a kid.

[byny]

Me again -looks like this thread is coming to a halt?

I think all us Ex students/ never been students are only feeling the same way that most students will feel in the future. It's not jelousy but a real concern that students, while taking the high ground when it comes to politics and protests, won't ever know what the real world is like - until they are struggling in it, and the struggle doesn't start until you get a job and start paying for things yourself.

[bpbfluteband]

I would just like to say to the person who posted this comment you are the one that is complaining and yapping. I am not defending Students but myself as I know there is dead beat students out there who don't deserve 2p never mind thousands of pounds. Really what I am trying to say is that don't tar everyone with the same brush.

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[Snow White]

The way I see it, it doesn't matter if someone's a student or not. If the government isn't giving out grants anymore then why is it anyone's business what people do?

There are just as many working people who go out drinking every night and don't do much as there are students in my opinion, just as there are workers who put all their energies into their jobs and those who don't. And the end result in both cases is pretty much the same - those who succeed in university will get their degree, those who fail will get kicked out... Those who succeed in the workplace will get raises and promotions (provided it's a half decent workplace... But I won't get into that 'cause it'll turn into a rant) and those who don't will be fired.

I think it's unfair to look at students as a "race of lazy people" as the word "student" encompasses a whole load of people in different situations, with different backgrounds, working habits, and so on.



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[lovedup]

My, what an interesting topic!

[emmex]

Lol really got a little debate going here haven't we. Thus i will throw my two cents worth into the ring.

I am currently in my second year at uni doing an honours degree in psychology. Although mostly all we did in first year was go out to the union and get wasted, there was still work and assignments to be handed in. Now second year has come, and the shit has hit the fan. The workload has increased dramatically, thus in order to get it done there is no way you are able to go out 7 nights a week, unless you want to flunk out that is.

And, to address your second point of us leaching of the government, we actually need this money to stay alive for the term. Once you have deducted rent, food bills and the dreaded book list allocation, it's amazing that we have enough money to go out at all. And before you accuse me of being a typical student 'moaning on' i am just laying down the facts.

Having said all of this, i love being at uni, and studying a course that may get me into the job i want at the end of all this. I know there are some students who make us look bad with their drunken stupors 24/7 but the majority came here to get an education.

Therefore i can see how we come across, but this really is only the stereotype that you are describing, not actually the way it is.

Oh and by the way, it really seems like you are the one doing all of the whingeing so before you accuse us students of it, take a look at your own letter!!!