labour or conservative?

[HARRY!!!]

simple enuf question. Just wondering who ud vote for if u could vote (for those too young).

Id go consevative cos blairs dropping the pound, apart from that not much else bothers me.

[Girl-From-Mars]

........ or lib dems.

im old enough to vote but im not gonna coz i think theyre all as bad as each other.

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[You Don't_Know_Me]

the conservatives seem to jump on the band wagon, or play on peoples fears. People fear the unknown (ie the euro) with no real reason despite the fact it is a change. They like to jump aboard when people criticise labour, but rarely come up with good ideas of their own.

ps i would vote lib-dem or labour

[city_boy]

gfm beat me to it about forgetting the lib dems...Luka wouldnt be too happy <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">
I agree with the person saying about hague bandwagon jumping - he seems to do that alot. I also wont be old enough to vote, but i would probably be going for labour.

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[Burnout_Girl]

I can't answer this obviously, since I'm Canadian, but it's interesting to me nonetheless. I wonder if someone could help me understand a couple of things by answering a few questions.

1. Where to the liberal-democrats fall on the left-wing/right-wing scale? Between the other two parties or somewhere else?

2. Has this party been around long? The rest of the world is quite familiar with your other 2 parties, but I have to admit I've never heard of them.

3. Would you like to see more choice in mainstream parties or are you happy with the current system? In Canada we had a 3 party system for years, but recently the system has changed dramatically. Now there are 5 major parties, which has both benefits and downfalls.

would anyone like to help me out here?

[sunflower]

Liberal Democrats are kinda between the 2 parties (slightly closer to Labour).

I think the group has been around for quite a while, before the 1st world war? Labour and conservatives are the most popular parties which is probably why you have never heard of the liberal democrats.

I think more choice in parties would probably be a good thing. I think there would be more competition between the parties to get elected so they would have to come up with better policies and actually fulfil their promises. At the moment all the groups seem to be equally hopeless and spend most their time critising the other groups rather than doing anything.

Hope this has been a bit of help, I'm sure someone will know exactly when the Lib. Dems. were formed and where exactly they are politically.

[You Don't_Know_Me]

um lib dems are not inbetween. They are the most liberal of the 3 paries. thus the name "liberal democrats"

[Turtle]

Oh for fucks sake, the Euro is not going to ruin your fucking economy. It will increase trade, companies will feel happier in comparing costs of living and generally people will learn to accept it.

As I've already explained, having a strong currency is not always good. Especially at the moment, with meat in a minor crises. You NEED Europe to trade with, for defence and for many other things that I can't list cos I haven;t thought about it long enough.

I would just like to finish by saying the Harry, you are full of fucking bullshit. Where did you get the idea that the Euro will ruin ur economy? What evidence or theory do you have to back it up? C'mon mate, you're in a politics board (which you say you don't read anywa, ahem), you gotta be all prim and proper with your arguments.

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[Turtle]

And in answer to your question, I would vote lib-dems if i could, but i;m too young and not even living in the UK. The Tories are crap. Just crap. Generally, they remind me shit just looking at them. Hague looks like he came out of a dogs arse. Or was abducted by aliens and never recovered <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">.

Blair...yeah, well, he's well meaning, but you gotta be proactive about htings, and you've got to be more in touch with the nation. The petrol crises was a fiasco, but don't worry cos come election time Labour will turn attn away from that. And the FMD, BSE etc was hardly their fault. And don't bring hte Tories back into power, cos look at the mess we've been trying to clear up for the past x years. That'll be their line to win.

And don't worry people anyway - if ur Tory, don't bother voting cos u wont win. If ur labour, don't bother voting if u know ur Tory friends aren't cos they it'll all be even and Blair or whoever will win by a long way. And if you're LibDem, good luck and hopefully you'll get some more seats.

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[city_boy]

Originally posted by You Don't_Know_Me:
um lib dems are not inbetween. They are the most liberal of the 3 paries. thus the name "liberal democrats"

But the lib-dems work closely with labour about somethings whereas they have sweet fa to do with hague and his gang.

PS - will the monster raving lonely party be running for election? I know their 'leader' Screaming Lord Sutch (i think) died but didnt the bloke taking over say the party was to carry on? They always bring a <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"> to my face in a sometimes boring election campaign.

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[Whowhere]

I would vote labour.
for the reason that they have only had one term in office, anybody needs more time than that to successfully fulfil their promises. The euro is something that if anything will strengthen our economy.
We do far more trade with Europe than with America and stand to lose more if we have a strong currency. Like I said before the only people who benefit from a strong pound are tourists leaving the country. Consumers here are at a disadvantage because we cannot easily compare prices.
Maybe, when the Euro is brought in they could have regional versions, like we do for scotland, wales e.t.c. So a british euro would have the union jack and brittannia on it, a french one would have the cockerel or tricolour and the germans could have a erm...(something german) on theirs. It would be worth the same as any other euro, the only difference would be what it looks like.

[city_boy]

Originally posted by Whowhere:
So a british euro would have the union jack and brittannia on it, a french one would have the cockerel or tricolour and the germans could have a erm...(something german) on theirs.

A hairy woman??



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[city_boy]

I better apoligise for that before someone starts having a go at me

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[Girl-From-Mars]

Originally posted by Whowhere:

snip...and the germans could have a erm...(something german) on theirs. It would be worth the same as any other euro, the only difference would be what it looks like.

a frankfurter?



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[Turtle]

Oh FFs...we all know they'll have a picture of a sausage and beer.

and maybe add a hairy woman to that. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">

Seriously, no, they wouldn't do that. The EU doesn't like the idea of nationalism, cept when towards a united Europe.

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[HARRY!!!]

Originally posted by Turtle:


Where did you get the idea that the Euro will ruin ur economy? What evidence or theory do you have to back it up?



i wish I taped that money program now. Well its in the papers, the political programs n everything so bullshit urself u dumb twat.

it may not ruin the economy but it could damage it and its that that everyones fear is based on, even if it is ranging to the paranoid.

[rasputin]

I take it no-one has ever considered the green, independent or socialist alliance?

the idea of a vote is that it's a choice. current politicians want to make you have no choice at all i.e. for which of the three main collection of gits you hate least.

You have a choice now fkin use it.

[LUKA]

Originally posted by HARRY!!!:
The pound is one of the strongest currencys in the world, maybe even beating the US dollar. 1.61 dollars to the pound.


Firstly for your information the exchange rate has not been higher than $1.46 to the pound for over a year and on the 3rd when u made this statement it was only $1.41 which had risen 1 cent... but that's just me being picky.

A strong currency is not a good thing it fcks up the sales for our industries when it comes to exporting, because it is cheaper to look elsewhere, I'd have to go into my loft and dig out my old business studies stuff to highlight my point, but I am sure there is a business or economics student who could inform you about currencies and export. It is a shame to have the greatest engineers in the world only to loose trade to inferior quality because of the strength of the pound.



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[Drifter]

labour

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Stand by me

[Turtle]

Originally posted by LUKA:
Firstly for your information the exchange rate has not been higher than $1.46 to the pound for over a year and on the 3rd when u made this statement it was only $1.41 which had risen 1 cent... but that's just me being picky.

A strong currency is not a good thing it fcks up the sales for our industries when it comes to exporting, because it is cheaper to look elsewhere, I'd have to go into my loft and dig out my old business studies stuff to highlight my point, but I am sure there is a business or economics student who could inform you about currencies and export. It is a shame to have the greatest engineers in the world only to loose trade to inferior quality because of the strength of the pound.



I've done that in two other posts already. Not a third time, sorry.


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[~*LIBERTY*~]

Labour used to be left wing, but since Tony Blair took over they're as right wing as the Conservatives. I don't see why the two parties don't just join together, William Hague can learn that change isn't bad and er, Tony Blair... can learn 2 talk funny?

I'm voting green.

[LUKA]

Originally posted by Turtle:
I've done that in two other posts already. Not a third time, sorry.


go on T-man you know you really really really want to <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">, besides maybe a 3rd time will drive it in a thick skull that keeps missing the point, and raising pointless arguments..

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[Turtle]

Originally posted by LUKA:
go on T-man you know you really really really want to <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">, besides maybe a 3rd time will drive it in a thick skull that keeps missing the point, and raising pointless arguments..



No, i've gone braindead. (see other post elsewhere that's yet to be posted)

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[Drifter]

Originally posted by ~*LIBERTY*~:
I'm voting green.

Mmmm i reckon that cud b a gud idea, some things need changing in this world and country, that i think they mite b good at starting

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[naughtyboy]

I would agree to scrap the pound because as mentioned above for trade reasons. But the euro is only worth about 65p to the pound so when the euro gets higher than the pound then britain should go in.

I also would vote Labour because they have only had one term in office and need a longer period to fulfill their promises in they made in the election of 1997 dont they?

Dont let things like the fuel crises (September2000) or the outbreak of foot and mouth disease (Febuary-? 2001)put you off voting Labour. The conservatives raised taxes year on year and they were in power from 1979 - 1997. Finally the Liberal Democrats would give lighter punishments to criminals and they just dont understand anything so dont either think about voting for them. My advice is Labour and well... i'll see after that. In 2005/06 will be the time i may suggest the Tory's depending on how Labour do in the next parliament.
Please comment on what iv just typed thank you!!

March 2001

[Meryn]

Yeah...everyone has been so disappointed with Labour cos they "haven't lived up to expectations" etc. but they've only been in ONE TERM - the Tories had 18 years to fuck this country up. We NEED to vote Labour to help them finish the job and put this country back on track again (hmm.."again?" Has it ever been on track??)
Also William Hague is a scary twat and I shudder to imagine him as PM. Not that he's got a chance!
And yes, I am a member of the Labour Club at uni..such cool people there which is an added attraction!
Meryn

[Turtle]

Originally posted by Meryn:
Yeah...everyone has been so disappointed with Labour cos they "haven't lived up to expectations" etc. but they've only been in ONE TERM - the Tories had 18 years to fuck this country up. We NEED to vote Labour to help them finish the job and put this country back on track again (hmm.."again?" Has it ever been on track??)
Also William Hague is a scary twat and I shudder to imagine him as PM. Not that he's got a chance!
And yes, I am a member of the Labour Club at uni..such cool people there which is an added attraction!
Meryn


so ur sayin we should vote for the tories, right?

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[charley]

whats the actual difference anyway?

[Meryn]

Originally posted by Turtle:

so ur sayin we should vote for the tories, right?


Ooops, sorry - sounded a right political nut there didn't I?! I'm not really - honest, I just get a bit overexcited: I only recently joined the Labour Club you see. I went to the AGM, met lots of cool people and what I expected to be a really mundane meeting turned into a meeting-pub-restaurant-club extravaganza and I ended up snogging one of the committee members, hee hee (we're now going out proper, like!)
So there you go!

[Turtle]

remind me NOT to joint he labour club then.

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[Meryn]

Please don't be mean to me turtle, I'm only a newbie <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> I promise not to go off on one again, ok?!

[Turtle]

i ain't being mean <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif"> why do peeps htink i'm mean?! hmmph *sulks* i'm a kind hearted turtletoise!

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[Persil]

Originally posted by Turtle:
i ain't being mean <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif"> why do peeps htink i'm mean?! hmmph *sulks* i'm a kind hearted turtletoise!

Didn't know turtletoises were cold hearted I always thought they were cold blooded, but hey biology never was my strong point. lol.

Seriously turletoise you are not cold hearted, far from it you are a compassionate young dude with a wicked sense of humour, you were one of the first to greet me here and offered me some excellent advice, please don't change you are a great turtletoise persil <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">



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[Meryn]

Don't worry Turtle - I wasn't really offended. Anyway you've had a lot on your mind recently, what with your Dad's new girlfriend etc. so I think you've got an excuse to be evil sometimes! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"> You're a cool person and give good advice - respect!

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Turtle:
The EU doesn't like the idea of nationalism, cept when towards a united Europe.



Think you get to the nub of the point here Turtle. This is EXACTLY what's wrong with Europe.

A single business partnership is one thing, but to hide people's identity is dangerous. This is what has caused the balkans conflicts in the past few years and it's a form of racism. "You must have no identity but the one we give you". Sorry but that's bullshit.

As for voting, Girl, you need to register how you feel, if you don;t want to vote for a specific party then spoil your paper. If you do nothing then that's what will change - nothing. For christsakes people stand up and be counted because as many coutries have found - eventually it's too late and you no longer have a choice.

As for liberals - they were once known part of a two party system with the tories. that is until the first world war when the labour party were founded.

Oh, and yes I will vote but I'm not saying who for. You'll have to guess

[Justin Sane]

My personal belief in all this is that politics is failing, no matter who is voted in taxes will go up for everyone because public spending increases... ok, maybe some things will go down, but others will go up to make this possible...

Politicians are the biggest fraudsters I have ever known, they constantly lie to get public support and side-track issues when they screw-up... if people lie about something its known as 'fraud' therefore a good 75% of politicians are 'fraudsters', 'fraud' under the law is a criminal offence and should be dealt with accordingly.

The govenment is corrupt, large-corperations have more political power than the govenment and they're cash and influences sway govenmental decision.

I honestly think political parties should be abolished and everyone should stand as individuals and not sheep who follow a so-called leader who gets screwed by every foreign official.

I don't understand Labour, in their eyes it seems to stem that if you work you pay shite loads to people (and I excuse the few general people who have problems) who can't be arsed working and would rather sit on their fat backsides and let everyone else work for them and then complain about the amount they recieve for doing NOTHING!

I'm 19, I'm not on income-support cause I don't believe in it and I live on my own in my own flat, I don't have a great deal of money left when I've finished paying all the taxes and crap but at least I have my pride. Yes I have a pretty decent job for my age but its not great £13k a year, which I worked my arse off getting, but one thing I can say is that if I ever lost it and had the option of either doing a £3.25/hr job as a cleaner or sitting on my arse, I'd choose the cleaning job, everyone starts somewhere, you can't except to begin your working life as a chairman earing £30k a year.

I think people who don't work should be forced to do community service in return for the unemployment benefit, some people often use the excuse that 'there aren't any jobs', utter bullshit, obviously those people have never been to a job centre.

((( Apologies for the rant )))

So I'm not voting this year as there is no point, Labour will win again as Hague has about as much respect as a piece of used bog-roll and the country will carry on getting even more corrupt than it already is.... its on reverse now, I think the message in todays society is:

Those who don't work cause they can't be arsed will earn more money than those who do...

Personally I think thats bollox! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif">

[This message has been edited by Justin Credible (edited 14-05-2001).]

[alexanderlebbon]

I have to say i do not like the tories. For local government i would say lib dems but for national Labour.

[Whowhere]

I would say I would vote for the Tories.
I don't particularly mind about the Euro, but Labour have fouled everything else up. I am a policeman's son, so everything they say about the police is of interest to me, and believe me, moral is low. My dad was trying to discourage me from joining because things were that bad. As for health care, you've seen what a mess they have made of that, the same thing goes for the armed forces. They havent made improvements or kept their promises on any thing they orgianally said, and now they have changed their promises, in order to fix the mistakes they have made. Now they say they will give more money to health care, if they had done it in the first place they wouldn't need to.

[fck vwls]

i think we should all vote green or socialist alliance not cos they stand a chance of becoming the goverment but because if they can get some seats and some power then they can put some pressure on the goverment to make some changes.

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[Meryn]

And the Tories would make things better would they?? Oh, ffs....

[MacKenZie]

Originally posted by Justin Credible:
Politicians are the biggest fraudsters I have ever known, they constantly lie to get public support and side-track issues when they screw-up...

But of course. What do politicians want? Power. In a country where people vote to decide who gets it, how does one achieve it? By convincing people that one should have it. Why? Because &lt;political spiel&gt;.

Don't be surprised that the current breed of politicians lie and try to improve their image. They have to make themselves seem good in the eyes of the electorate. It's what they have to do to survive. Those that are best at it will flourish; those that are crap at it will lose, and go and do something else.

[dazed_dan]

stuff labour, tory or lib dem - i'm all for voting:

MEBYON KERNOW

or, for the non-cornish of you, the cornish national party (dont laugh. no seriously dont) at least, i would vote for them if they had some decent policies......

one of their members came up with a suggestion to dig a canal through from bude (north coast of cornwall) to the river tamar (flows to the south coast), thereby making cornwall 'an island nation'. you'll only understand if you live in the south west of england, or you look at a map, but that was one of their better plans!

seriously, for me it has to be the lesser of 2 evils - labour. besides, i met tony blair's wife once. no, its not what you're thinking.... leo blair is NOT my responsibility <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">

[Girl-From-Mars]

rofl dan, god they're mad. i def WONT be voting for them! crazy people. what do they want cornwall to be an island for anyway?! i know i dont, thats for sure.

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[Turtle]

thats almost as hilarous as the welsh national party <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">

i mean, u give wales independance and 2 minutes later the place will be run by the sheep! ffs. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">

*ducks susie's hand*

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[SusieLovesCalvin]

Originally posted by Turtle:
thats almost as hilarous as the welsh national party <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">

i mean, u give wales independance and 2 minutes later the place will be run by the sheep! ffs. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">

*ducks susie's hand*



leave them alone.

anyway.. at the end of the day people, somebody is going to have to win. so unless youre planning to get into politics, at least vote for the party that runs with most of your standards. people FOUGHT to get that vote, and now everyone seems to take advantage of that fact.
and sorry emma, you brought that one out of me with your first post <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">

[This message has been edited by SusieLovesCalvin (edited 30-05-2001).]

[Turtle]

Originally posted by SusieLovesCalvin:
leave them alone.

anyway.. at the end of the day people, somebody is going to have to win. so unless youre planning to get into politics, at least vote for the party that runs with most of your standards. people FOUGHT to get that vote, and now everyone seems to take advantage of that fact.
and sorry emma, you brought that one out of me with your first post <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">

[This message has been edited by SusieLovesCalvin (edited 30-05-2001).]


yes mother, i'll leave them alone.

and interestingly enuff, you've got a point. as someone has said, it'll probably end up being a vote for the lesser of two evils (and the lib dems <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"> lmao)


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[Girl-From-Mars]

well the lib dems want to abolish tuition funds <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> so i might change my mind on the day and hop on down to the voting place... right... quick Q... my mum insists that im wrong, but you have to register to vote right? i rememebr seeing all these ads about march time about registering to vote. coz if you DO have to register, i missed that boat didnt i <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif">

we live in a lib dem constituency, i sawour MP with his long flowing coat in truro once. isnt that interesting <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">

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[Dom Waghorn]

Originally posted by Girl-From-Mars:
well the lib dems want to abolish tuition funds <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> so i might change my mind on the day and hop on down to the voting place... right... quick Q... my mum insists that im wrong, but you have to register to vote right? i rememebr seeing all these ads about march time about registering to vote. coz if you DO have to register, i missed that boat didnt i <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif">

we live in a lib dem constituency, i sawour MP with his long flowing coat in truro once. isnt that interesting <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">


There's info on registering here http://www.thesite.org/action/voting_made_simple.html

and some general stuff about different policies including tuition fees here http://www.thesite.org/action/

Dom

[Girl-From-Mars]

ahh cheers dom <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">

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[Girl-From-Mars]

ah turns out i am registered as my voting card came through the door the other day and my parents only decided to tell me today, as i was asking them to phone the council and stuff for me! (im lazy) <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">

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[dazed_dan]

GFM, you live in matthew taylor's patch dont you? if so, then you might as well vote lib dem, coz he's never gonna be unelectified. 11% total tory swing needed - aint gonna happen. unless you vote for CONAN JENKIN - mebyon kernow man! aka the barbarian. on second thoughts, dont. he might start pillaging redruth if he gets elected. not that theres anything in redruth to pillage.

***REALITY CHECK***

none of you have a CLUE what the hell im on about do you. 'cept maybe GFM. your loss evry1! come live in cornwall, among the disused mineshafts and sewage treatment works, the traffic congestion and the angry yokels. then you will understand.........

(sorry, its been one of those mornings)

[Outsider]

I thnik one of the most important characteristics of a PM is someone who the nation trusts. As far as I know Blair is probably going to take us into the euro. I am worried about changing currency becasue i dont know what it means for me but im only 13 so i dont have a say.

I feel Blair should adopt a "down with the people" attitude as opposed to a "over the people" one. I read the other day that the total cases of foot and mouth could be double due to a cover up. I dont know if it is true but the PM should always be truthful to the population, in the end everyone will respect him for it. probably

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Outsider:

...the PM should always be truthful to the population, in the end everyone will respect him for it. probably

It would ensure that he would never be elected again. Look at the statements that both main parties make.

They say what they think we want to hear - better services but lower taxation. The Thatcher years proved that this isn't possible, lower taxes lead to cuts in services.

The only party who are upfront about this issue are the LibDems and that's because they know they won't be forming the Govt.



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"So raise your fists and march around
Don't dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed"

[Turtle]

Originally posted by Outsider:
I thnik one of the most important characteristics of a PM is someone who the nation trusts. As far as I know Blair is probably going to take us into the euro. I am worried about changing currency becasue i dont know what it means for me but im only 13 so i dont have a say.

I feel Blair should adopt a "down with the people" attitude as opposed to a "over the people" one. I read the other day that the total cases of foot and mouth could be double due to a cover up. I dont know if it is true but the PM should always be truthful to the population, in the end everyone will respect him for it. probably


as a 13y.o, it probably wont affect u greatly. by the time it does affect u, people will be settled with euro and things will be relatively normal again.

but fair enuff, i can see where ur coming from.


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[Girl-From-Mars]

Originally posted by dazed_dan:
GFM, you live in matthew taylor's patch dont you? if so, then you might as well vote lib dem, coz he's never gonna be unelectified. 11% total tory swing needed - aint gonna happen. unless you vote for CONAN JENKIN - mebyon kernow man! aka the barbarian. on second thoughts, dont. he might start pillaging redruth if he gets elected. not that theres anything in redruth to pillage.

***REALITY CHECK***

none of you have a CLUE what the hell im on about do you. 'cept maybe GFM. your loss evry1! come live in cornwall, among the disused mineshafts and sewage treatment works, the traffic congestion and the angry yokels. then you will understand.........

(sorry, its been one of those mornings)

lol... nah its paul tyler, same as you <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"> talking about it the other day with someone, who were disgusted that cornwall mainly seemed to vote conservative lol... even tho its lib dem where i am <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"> im thinking its gonna be lib dem for me tho.

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[Justin Sane]

I'd like to have a dabble at politics one day, maybe stand as an independent...

I suppose if I do tho, I would adopt the slogan 'I dare to tell the truth' and not sidetrack everything, I'd also own up to things when I screwed up, it always puzzles my why politians don't try giving that a shot, it could work...

Every major issue could have a referendum, that way the country decides what it wants... I'd also not get drawn into this daft slagging match that they all seem to do.. the 'I'm the best, they are evil, the country will go in the ice age if they get in'... it didn't when Labour got in, nothing really changed... it never does...

(unless your in eductation, single mum, pensioner or ill)

... and all that happens is that you get more money and everyone gets taxed some way or another...

Politics is failing!

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Justin Credible:
I'd like to have a dabble at politics one day, maybe stand as an independent...

I suppose if I do tho, I would adopt the slogan 'I dare to tell the truth' and not sidetrack everything, I'd also own up to things when I screwed up, it always puzzles my why politians don't try giving that a shot, it could work...

Every major issue could have a referendum, that way the country decides what it wants... I'd also not get drawn into this daft slagging match that they all seem to do.. the 'I'm the best, they are evil, the country will go in the ice age if they get in'... it didn't when Labour got in, nothing really changed... it never does...

(unless your in eductation, single mum, pensioner or ill)

... and all that happens is that you get more money and everyone gets taxed some way or another...

Politics is failing!

nice in principle, impossible in practise.

Basically owning up to your errors is like saying, "Hey I'm an idiot vote for me" ditto the truth issue. Even though we know most politicians are idiots, none are stupid enough to admit it.

As for referendum on every major issue - I hate to say this but, like millions of others, I have a job and don't really want to be in the polling station every day/week. And the cost involved, jeez. I'm a polling clerk on Thursday and will get paid £100+ for the day - the senior officer in my station will get over £150. Add that up for every station in the country! (That said I AM looking forward to the Euro referendum - money in my pocket even though I will probably vote NO)

Where do you draw the line? What issue is important enough to have a referendum and which one gets decided by govt?

It's true that politics doesn't really work but what realistic alternative is there - dictatorship, anarchy?

[Justin Sane]

Basically owning up to your errors is like saying, "Hey I'm an idiot vote for me" ditto the truth issue. Even though we know most politicians are idiots, none are stupid enough to admit it.

I'd have to disagree here slightly, yes going saying 'I'm an idiot' isn't going to get you votes but when certain things crop up which make people see politicians as human they gain more support... take 'Two Jags' John Prescott, he got into a fight and actually managed to use it to his political advantage... ie. 'I know who I'm voting now..'

Where do you draw the line? What issue is important enough to have a referendum and which one gets decided by govt?

Major issues don't come up that oftern, I mean ones particually where the country is divided near enough 50-50 on it... we had one a while ago on the monarchy, thats a major issue along with the EC and Euro, other issues slightly less important could just be drawn up in the person's manifesto and who you vote for dictates what laws will be past.

You can never please everyone, which they seem to miss out on... and side-tracking issues just pisses people off big time, people ask a question 'why are NHS waiting lists so high' and they go off on a tangent about how 'under a conservative govenment' without actually saying a truthful answer that would commend more respect..

ie. "We know NHS waiting lists are high and we are dealing with it, but it takes time, we're building more hospitals and getting more nurses and doctors into the system.. unfortunatly these things cost money and can't be completed over night."

[This message has been edited by Justin Credible (edited 05-06-2001).]

[Man Of Kent]

Originally posted by Justin Credible:


He also lost alot of votes because people see him as a hot head who can't hoild his temper...

[b]
"We know NHS waiting lists are high and we are dealing with it, but it takes time, we're building more hospitals and getting more nurses and doctors into the system.. unfortunatly these things cost money and can't be completed over night."

[This message has been edited by Justin Credible (edited 05-06-2001).]

Good subject to pick on. This one relates to my job. For once the politicans are right. You can't change the NHS overnight. And they do cost a shit load of cash.

I have been given £2m to change a system which has been in place for 40 years. I am redesigning it from the patients point of view. But changing things in the NHS is like running through treacle. I could change the whole thing tomorrow. Except then it wouldn't be done properly. You have to take little stepes, make sure that there is an improvement and then take the next step. If you do it all at once, you will have a mess. Every little change you make affects something else (what Star Wars calls a symbiotic relationship).

As for this shower of a Govt we have now, I can actually defend them. They ARE making a difference in the NHS - a positive one. They ARE putting money in - which the last lot didn't do (they took money out!).

The reason that Doctors are so up in arms is because is means that their cosy little world and god like status is being erroded and they don't like it. Well, I'm sorry but the patient comes first.

It takes time but it IS coming and I for one would hate to see a return to the cost cutting service cutting of the eighties.



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[bpbfluteband]

I think the Labour government are personally trying to destroy the United Kingdom. We have seen devolution handed to Sccotland, Wales and England and they also encourage to go full steam into the European Union. A long long time ago countries and different languages were created for a reason. This was because when the people were one they thought they could do anything. I think we should keep our individual identities and vote for the Conservatives. Not because I totally agree with everything they say but it I disagree more with what Labour says.

[shine]

well i would vote conservative...... due to being a country girl! and having a horse etc etc tony blair fucking up the foot and mouth too!

and no way do i want euros! as i have only just got to grips with pounds! only taken 18years!

[dazed_dan]

Originally posted by shine:

well i would vote conservative...... due to being a country girl! and having a horse etc etc tony blair fucking up the foot and mouth too!


sorry shine, but i dont agree. how exactly can the government be blamed for the foot and mouth outbreak? i believe (from what i have read) that a report was published some 10 or 12 years ago and largely supressed during the BSE crisis, that states that modern farming methods are leading British and European agriculture towards a potential disaster. this report suggested that in the event of a highly contagious disease being spread in the UK, the only logical solution was a compulsory contiguous cull of all neighbouring farms, to be continued until such date as the outbreaks were 'sufficiently isolated and sporadic' to step-down form epidemic levels. this was professional advice given to MAFF, and the Tories would have followed exactly the same policy. yes, it is very costly in terms of livestock, and harrowing for all involved, but it is the only logical option in such circumstances. admittedly, the vaccine for foot and mouth had not been fully developed at the time of publication. however, in the recent outbreak it was farmer's unions that turned down the offer of vaccination during the crisis. essentially, the government has done absolutely everything it possibly could.

to be honest, we are lucky to still have enough MAFF vets to deal with the crisis after the sweeping cuts of the tory years forced many of them in to private practise.

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[Gabz]

Originally posted by city_boy:

PS - will the monster raving lonely party be running for election? I know their 'leader' Screaming Lord Sutch (i think) died but didnt the bloke taking over say the party was to carry on? They always bring a <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"> to my face in a sometimes boring election campaign.



Ummm . . . I was told that he had lwft the party to his cat when he died . . . maybe I was just being gullible . . . oh well . . .

Gabz

[Gio_speedster]

id have to have gone for the tory's merely cos they wont drop the poound and also cos they pledge not to increase money on public spneding. They made the valid statement that labour over -tax it for us and veeyone thinks its o.k cos its going on public services but all its needs is to be better managed and you coudl achieve the same standard with less cash

[BBH]

liberatarian! oh wait you don't have those over there do you? Basicly the government stays the F*ck out of your life and doesn't have any programs or bullsh!t taxes. Just enough to have a military, law enforcement and education

[Balddog]

BBH, yes we do have them over here.

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[Ali_G]

Lovely to see you all talking about the lib dems! Most of you were failry accurate..
1, Yes we are in coalition with Labour in Scotland and Wales but it was our policy that was scrap tuition fees. You can show your support on our fab webby www.scraptuitionfees.com (http://www.scraptuitionfees.com)
2, No we didn't start at the first world war... The liberals existed but we came from a merger of them and the SDP(Social Democratic Party) which was fairly receent.
There were some other bits.. Anyway if you have any questions feel free to get in contact with us at ldys@cix.co.uk!
Ali Goldsworthy
Lib Dem Youth and Students Vice Chair Communications:-)