Parking on the pavement - legal??

[Yeah I no]

I always park on the cerb - half on and half off at home and at my grandmas house.

Today I went to my grandmas and parked as usual (as I have done for 2 years) - half on and half off the cerb cos its a narrow road, everyone that goes to my grans parks on the cerb, and everyone that goes to the other peoples houses on the street park on the cerb too.

So when I went to my car, I had a letter on the wiper blades saying 'I have reported you for illegal parking' so I chucked it in the car and went back into my grans house, then I seen a woman in a wheel chair going down - a woman was pushing her, I went to my car to go home and my wing mirror was broke.:mad: I have a Corsa so my wing mirrors dont go in.

Did I park illegal?? I have tried to look and net and from what I seen I have parked leal, I left enough room for people to walk.

I always park there - once a week for a couple of hours and its never been damaged before. My aunts park there all day Friday and Monday, and they havent had any bother!

Any advise/help would be much appreciated.
:)

[Pearly]

You may want to trawl through some of this information in the link below that could answer your question. My thoughts are that it's illegal to park on the curb, but I'm not definitely sure...

DirectGov (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069860)

[noog]

You did park illegally yes. Mounting the pavement is always frowned upon, and if you do it in such a way to hinder people being able to walk down the pavement then you should expect your wing mirror to be snapped really..

It's a pain though, I have to park in all sorts of weird places and my car's had so many knocks and tickets as a result :(.

[squeal]

The Council has a responsibility to keep the roads and footpaths safe to use. A London-wide ban on pavement parking is strictly enforced and applies to all parking on pavements, verges and central reservations, 24 hours a day.

Pavement parking is allowed under certain circumstances and signs and white boxes on the ground show where and how far on the pavement it is permitted to park.

Illegally parked vehicles cost the Council thousands of pounds a year in damage to paving and grass verges, and cause serious problems for blind, disabled and older people.

Pavements are constructed and provided for pedestrian use. Vehicles parked on pavements are:

* a hazard to pedestrians causing an obstruction which may result in them having to step off the pavement onto the highway thus putting themselves in danger
* a hazard by restricting the width of the pavement making it difficult for someone with a pushchair or wheelchair to pass safely - again this person may have to step into the highway to avoid the obstruction
* a hazard due to the damage caused by driving on and off the pavement - e.g. broken flags.

Where pavement parking is permitted, markings on the footway will indicate the extent of the area where you can park, and 'pavement parking area starts' and 'pavement parking area ends' signs will be displayed.

[Yeah I no]

You did park illegally yes. Mounting the pavement is always frowned upon, and if you do it in such a way to hinder people being able to walk down the pavement then you should expect your wing mirror to be snapped really..



I did leave enough room tho, she went past ok in the wheelchair, she just decided to break the wing mirror on her way back, when she seen her note had been took off.

Its just doing my head in, I always park like it, everyone in the street parks like it.

From what I have read on the highways code, I parked legally. It only says about parking on the cerb in London. I live in a little town bertween Derby and Nottingham.

[Mist]

Whether you were parked illegally or not does not give people the right to remove your wing mirror.

[Mist]

Also as far as I know it is not illegal to park on the pathway providing that there is not a yellow line at the part where you would be parking, and that you leave room to pass.

It's probably covered by local by-laws.

[randomchap]

Parking on the pavement in itself isn't illegal. Some local councils do have policies in place for targetting illegal parking.

It is, however, of questionable morality and convenience. Putting 2 wheels just over the stone marking the end of the pavement shouldn't cause an issue, but much further and you can cause real problems for those of us who walk dogs, use a wheelchair or motorised buggy, or even have children - whether in a wheelchair or not.

My advice - leave it on the road. Inconvenience the other car users rather than those on foot.

However, the inconvenience does not warrant deliberate damage to your vehicle. If you saw this person take-off your mirror, then I'd go to the police station and make a statement to such effect.

I'd have no right to thump the pillock who urinated on my garden - I'd rightfully expect to be prosecuted for it. Same goes for her - she should expect to be prosecuted for deliberately damaging your property, whilst you should possibly give more thought to other people who may be in a situation similar to hers.

[dapperdipper]

The bottom line is you have parked it illegally and can be reported for or recieve a fine. The fact that most people do this has not stopped the increase in tickets being issued and mainly by PCSO's and street wardens who have nothing better to do.

Guess you was just a bit unlucky!!

[FCUK it]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069860

243 states that you must not park on the lowered section of the kerb and also where you would not cause obstruction to emergency service vehicles (also in section 242) - not causing obstruction to other vehicles.

If two vehicles park on the road, either opposite each other, or tail end to tail end, it's going to cause inconvenience for emergency services - i.e. the fire brigade to get down that road.

I wouldn't suggest you've parked illegally - i'd suggest you have used common sense parking just enough on the kerb to avoid causing inconvenience for pedestrians and not fully on the carriageway - causing an ostruction or inconvenience to other motorists and / or emergency services!

The woman (if it was her - do you have proof???) has no right to damage your property, whether you are parked illegally or not!

Pop a note through her letterbox saying 'and i've reported you for criminal damage' :yippe:

I've had my wingmirror smashed back and / or pushed in by some people and i don't think they would like their property damaged!

I always think about other people - motorists and pedestrians alike when i park, the problem is though...too many cars, not enough road space!!!!:banghead:

[Skive]

Whether you were parked illegally or not does not give people the right to remove your wing mirror.

:yes:

I'd go straight round and threaten to buckle the bitches wheelchair. Go round and call her cunt.

[Yeah I no]

Thanks for all the messages:)

I've got to nip into town tomoz and I told my gran Id go and park there then go into town, dont know if to park there now:chin:

My gran will be out and so will I so if the woman does more damage then I wont see her, or I might just park on the road then I'll probs get hit by a car and damage my wing mirror again!!:confused: I dunno!

I am 99.9% the woman hit the wing mirror. I went out and it was fine, looked out the window to see were my mum was and seen the woman in the wheelchair go by. I only seen her walk by -noone else and I was sitting right oppasite the window.

I might go and see her tomoz and tell her I did not park legally and ask her not to break my wing mirror in future!:mad:

[Olive]

Pop a note through her letterbox saying 'and i've reported you for criminal damage'

:yes:

Ideally written on the back of the law that suggests you didn't park illegally.

Bloody parking vigilantes. I would suggest that if you're going to inconvenience anyone, it should be pedestrians and not road users (esp emergency services). Much less dangerous that way!

[morrocan roll]

Illegal yes and iconsiderate that an old lady can't use the pavement ...that was built for people with wheelchairs and legs ...not cars.
I park like that often as well ...sometimes you have to but ...if i was in a wheelchair i'd be pissed off with motorists like you


























and me.

[seriouslyunique]

Parking on the pavement is legal as long as there aren't double or single yellow lines on the road (as they apply both on the pavement and road), or any visibly defined parking limitations, as far as I know.

In my experience, if you can't get a double buggy past the car on the pavement then it's officially an obstruction, regardless of where you've parked. This could, in some circumstances, get you a ticket.

I know sometimes the pavement is the only place to park, so as long as you aren't going against the parking limitations on the road, and there is enough space for people to pass by, you should be ok. Any damage done to your car should be reported, as whatever the reasoning, it's still criminal damage.

Good luck.

[Whowhere]

It's only illegal to park on the pavement if:
There are lines on the road
Doing so causes an obstruction to pedestrians, including wheelchair users.

[Yeah I no]

Thanks guys:)

Will park there next week as usual and if she says owt/leaves a note I'll go and see her, tell her that Im parking legally!

[Scary Monster]

It's worth bearing in mind that wheel chair users need a fair amount of space and it needs to be flat pavement, it's not just a case of leaving enough for for someone to be able to just get past.

[Kermit]

It's also worth bearing in mind that you're being a selfish twat for parking on the pavement. Pavements are for pedestrians not cars. Park on the fucking road or park somewhere else.

When I've been pushing a wheelchair I haven't been as careful as I could be when squeezing past someone who's parked on the path. Fair enough I see it. Criminal damage is bad but accidentally damaging your car because of an obstruction is fair dos.

[Yeah I no]

It's also worth bearing in mind that you're being a selfish twat for parking on the pavement. Pavements are for pedestrians not cars. Park on the fucking road or park somewhere else.

When I've been pushing a wheelchair I haven't been as careful as I could be when squeezing past someone who's parked on the path. Fair enough I see it. Criminal damage is bad but accidentally damaging your car because of an obstruction is fair dos.

Excuse me but I wasnt being a 'selfish twat' I know that ambulances have to go up the street so I park on the cerb.

The old woman was ok going up the street, I left plenty of room - I managed to get by with a buggy and someone behind me went past ok with a double buggy.

:rolleyes:

[kangoo]

It's also worth bearing in mind that you're being a selfish twat for parking on the pavement. Pavements are for pedestrians not cars. Park on the fucking road or park somewhere else.

When I've been pushing a wheelchair I haven't been as careful as I could be when squeezing past someone who's parked on the path. Fair enough I see it. Criminal damage is bad but accidentally damaging your car because of an obstruction is fair dos.

It annoys me that you always seem to have to resort to name calling to put your point accross :rolleyes:

I don't think she was being a selfish twat as it sounds like she left enough room for wheelchairs and buggies to go past. It sounds like she tried to come to a happy medium where traffic could still pass easily without taking up more pavement than necessary

[randomchap]

The bottom line is you have parked it illegally and can be reported for or recieve a fine. The fact that most people do this has not stopped the increase in tickets being issued and mainly by PCSO's and street wardens who have nothing better to do.

Guess you was just a bit unlucky!!

Well that's not really true, is it? On the basis that most pavements can comfortably support use by pedestrians, push-chairs and wheelchairs, whilst a vehicle is using the first 10cm or so of it - unless that vehicle is actually prohibiting sensible movement by typical pavement-users, the law isn't being broken.

Don't get me wrong - leaving the car on the road is the best option all-round. If the road can't support parked cars and emergency vehicles, then it should have double yellow lines to ensure speedy movement of emergency vehicles.

Your misunderstanding of the law, but insistence on repeating it, whilst mentioning PCSOs makes me wonder if you are actually a PCSO? It'd fit in with many newspaper reports of these plastic coppers who hide in bushes, and only enforce the laws they see fit...

[Whowhere]

It's also worth bearing in mind that you're being a selfish twat for parking on the pavement. Pavements are for pedestrians not cars. Park on the fucking road or park somewhere else.


How so? If enough space is left for people to comfortably get past why is it selfish? The street near me has no parking space at all, neither do any of the surrounding streets and neither do most streets in the UK. People need to park partly on the pavement to allow traffic through. No doubt you'd be complaining if the road had been blocked.....

[Melian]

It's only illegal to park on the pavement if:
There are lines on the road

Does this include bus stops as well?:confused: Right outside the doctors, we have a bus stop and there's someone who has a white van who always parks there. And I'm sure they also sometimes park on the pavement and leave hardly any room for one person to get past.

[Whowhere]

Does this include bus stops as well?:confused: Right outside the doctors, we have a bus stop and there's someone who has a white van who always parks there. And I'm sure they also sometimes park on the pavement and leave hardly any room for one person to get past.


If a driver is causing an unecessary or wilful obstruction then they are breaking the law. Parking on the pavement and leaving space is legal. parking on the pavement and obstructing pedestrians or vehicles isn't. Usually carries a £60 and 3 points on a licence as well, if it's given out by a police officer.

[Kermit]

I don't think she was being a selfish twat as it sounds like she left enough room for wheelchairs and buggies to go past.

It's not just about the room, though, is it?

Pavements are not designed to take the weight of cars parking on them and kerbstones are not designed to take the impact of cars repeatedly bashing into them. This means that pavements wear out sooner, with potholes and fractured paving slabs.

Firstly, this costs me money as the council have to replace it sooner. And secondly this injures me when I fall over on the broken slab and very nearly snap my ankle in two (which is what happened to me the other year).

But I've yet to see many people parking on the pavement who do allow enough room for people with buggies and pushchairs to park.

If there isn't enough room to park without causing an obstruction in the road then it is not a suitable place to park your car.

Either way, its selfish and twattish to do it. People who do selfish and twattish acts are selfish twats. If you think that's a terrible insult go and get a bit of backbone.

The woman in the wheelchair sounds like she has mental health difficulties though. Report her and say you saw her doing it.

[ShyBoy]

Kermit have you seen streets with terraced houses? It would be causing more of an obstruction if cars parked completely on the road. At least from what I've seen apart from those who play silly buggers and leave 4" of pavement left for some apparent unknown reason (or the white vans that park in town COMPLETELY on the pavement...? I guess they're loading? :s) there is normally ample space for pushchairs or wheelchairs.

[Kermit]

Most pavements around here about about 2' wide (about 2-3 paving slabs across). Even parking one wheel on the pavement causes an obstruction, let alone the damage done to the pavement by the weight of cars (which are getting heavier and bigger).

I live in a terraced house ffs.

[kangoo]

Most pavements around here about about 2' wide (about 2-3 paving slabs across). Even parking one wheel on the pavement causes an obstruction, let alone the damage done to the pavement by the weight of cars (which are getting heavier and bigger).

I live in a terraced house ffs.

BUT SHE DIDN'T CAUSE AN OBSTRUCTION!!!!!! What part of that sentence are you failing to grasp? omg :crazyeyes

I agree with shyboy, the terraced streets round here are small and winding so not parking a little bit on the pavement causes serious problems.

As for getting a backbone, I don't think 'selfish twat' is a terrible insult, but I don't think it was called for to call the OP one and its quite childish that everytime you get into a debate you resort to petty insults. They don't add anything to the debate so just leave it out

[morrocan roll]

BUT SHE DIDN'T CAUSE AN OBSTRUCTION!!!!!! What part of that sentence are you failing to grasp? omg :crazyeyes

I agree with shyboy, the terraced streets round here are small and winding so not parking a little bit on the pavement causes serious problems.

As for getting a backbone, I don't think 'selfish twat' is a terrible insult, but I don't think it was called for to call the OP one and its quite childish that everytime you get into a debate you resort to petty insults. They don't add anything to the debate so just leave it out
Kermit is one of the best ranters we have ...possiblt THE best ...when Kermit blows his top he brings a big smile to my face and often a bloody good laugh. Don't take it so seriously:D

[DG]

What I find annoying is BRAND NEW roads being built that aren't wide enough to have two cars parked opposite each other on the public road and have enough of a gap to allow traffic to pass through.

If you look at a lot of the inner roads in Milton Keynes which are not even 10 or 20 years old and so designed well after cars had been about, they've made them so narrow cars cannot pass when two parked cars oppose each other.

There should be laws for newly built road to ensure they're wide enough in the first place.

[girl with sharp teeth]

Kermit is one of the best ranters we have ...possiblt THE best ...when Kermit blows his top he brings a big smile to my face and often a bloody good laugh. Don't take it so seriously:D Hmmm. He gets a lot of practice at home!

[morrocan roll]

Hmmm. He gets a lot of practice at home!

You poor woman!:D
I have to admit ...i found him a little scary myself at first but ...you were even attracted to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's a top ranter ...don't change him.

[Kermit]

BUT SHE DIDN'T CAUSE AN OBSTRUCTION!!!!!! What part of that sentence are you failing to grasp?

Anyone parked on a pavement is causing an obstruction. Both by restricting the width of the pavement and by causing damage to the pavement.

How can you park on a pavement without causing an obstruction to pedestrians? Paths are for people and roads are for cars.

Anyone who parks on a pavement is behaving selfishly and twattishly, hence they are a selfish twat.

It isn't rocket science.

[g_angel]

Anyone parked on a pavement is causing an obstruction. Both by restricting the width of the pavement and by causing damage to the pavement.

How can you park on a pavement without causing an obstruction to pedestrians? Paths are for people and roads are for cars.

Anyone who parks on a pavement is behaving selfishly and twattishly, hence they are a selfish twat.

It isn't rocket science.

You're just being a dick now.

There are some roads where you can't park two cars opposite each other, and yet there is a need for people to park there cars. My old street was a prime example. One side, people parked fully on the road. The other, people parked with one set of wheels on the kerb. There was no other choice, and the system worked. There was nowhere else to park - if people parked their cars on the street on both sides, you could not get a car down the middle. Pedestrians used their brains (well, most of them) and walked on the pavement that the cars were not parked on, even though there was plenty of room for them to get down on the side where cars were. There was rarely an obstruction, unless somebody was a particularly bad parker. If people parked their cars fully on the street on the 'kerb parking' side, people would leave notes asking them to put their car partially on the kerb to allow access. The council were fine with this, the police were fine with this. No doubt you will have issue with this, of course. :yeees:

Let me make this clear. On not one street for quite a distance was there any space for double parking. Space is not a luxury, at times.

What do you suggest people do?



Now, the pictures below were of a particularly shitty piece of parking, and my rather blunt note I left on the window. Superb. They deserved to be called a twat. Oh, the bit under the windscreen wiper says "You fucking idiot". Note how it isn't anywhere near the pavement ;) Oh, and for reference, that is the only street wide enough to support proper parking on both sides of the street.

[Skive]

Anyone who parks on a pavement is behaving selfishly and twattishly, hence they are a selfish twat.

Rubbish.

There are plenty of roads where parking partly on the pavement is the lesser of two evils. Sometimes it's important to avoid obstruction to traffic.
Parking on the pavement isn't necessarily and obstruction and you really are making a meal over the damage a bit of inflated rubber may cause.

Parkign on the pavement isn't ideal but it to call somebody a selfish twat over it really is an over reaction.

If I parked on the pavement and came out to find my wind mirror ripped off I would go after the cunt who did, whether I was causing an obstruction or not.

[randomchap]

Anyone parked on a pavement is causing an obstruction. Both by restricting the width of the pavement and by causing damage to the pavement.

How can you park on a pavement without causing an obstruction to pedestrians? Paths are for people and roads are for cars.

Anyone who parks on a pavement is behaving selfishly and twattishly, hence they are a selfish twat.

It isn't rocket science.

Utter rubbish. You can't make a blanket-statement like your first paragraph - there are pavements that are plenty-capable of accommodating a section of car whilst still allowing good access for pedestrians.

With all due respect, your arrogance and inability to understand the concept of anything other than your single pavement, is making you look like a twat.

Whilst I disagree in principle with parking on the pavement, your arguments just are not valid. I think people shouldn't buy or rent a house without a driveway or garage if they have a car - but expecting everyone to adhere to this is unreasonable, given the cost of housing and popularity of the car.

Certian people on here may admire your 'debating' skills, but I reckon you're just a twonk. You can't fulfil your argument, and start calling people names when they won't listen to your poor reasoning. Congratulations on achieving adulthood. It seems people are still able to create life ,without the small amount of sense required to live and let live.

Excellent. You could wear a burberry cap with pride.

[FCUK it]

Whilst I disagree in principle with parking on the pavement, your arguments just are not valid. I think people shouldn't buy or rent a house without a driveway or garage if they have a car - but expecting everyone to adhere to this is unreasonable, given the cost of housing and popularity of the car.

Spot on random chap - the car is too popular now.

For many people, there is no sensible/affordable alternative. E.g. for me, i work stupid hours, through the day and night - 20 miles from home, so a car is my only suitable option. Do we have space to park my car and the others in our house? Yes, we have a garage and drive for about 6 cars - which we don't need. Thankfully. lol.
However, when people visit us, they park on the road outside our house - if it's parked in an inconvenient place, i ask them to move it.

Parking on the kerb is necessary though, as if anyone across the opposite side of the road parks on the street and a visitor to our house had, then the road would be blocked. Therefore, our visitors, us and our neighbours have accepted that it is a necessity to park slightly on the pavement.

FYI in the 25 years we have owned our house and had people parking outside our house, the neighbours houses etc etc, there has never been any damage to the pavement caused by parking there.

I'd rather park a few inches onto the pavement and know that the ambulance or fire engine was able to get to the house down the road, rather than park completely on the road and block off access.

I think that if you are unaware of your parking - whether you are leaving your vehicle completely on the road, or 75% on the pavement or whatever - then you should not be driving. Driving a vehicle requires the person to be aware of their actions and the actions of others. If you are not aware of how your parking will affect others - whether a motorist, pedestrian or emergency services, then you shouldn't be driving.

This is clearly not the case for the OP, as they have had the decency to ask us what we think - this shows they are concerned about this incident.

I don't subscribe to Kermit's theory about anyone parking on a pavement being a selfish t*at. Like i said, i'd rather know that the fire brigade were able to get to my friends/partners/parents (delete as appropriate) house and save them from the house fire, or car crash etc rather than be stuck on a residential road and having to get out and move the vehicles (which i have seen the fire brigade have to do).

[girl with sharp teeth]

Perhaps it's just because I know him better but I find it really interesting to see how people take Kermit's posts seriously! He will exaggerate almost any view to the point of hyperbole and he loves playing devil's advocate.

Hmmm.

[Whowhere]

At the end of the day, if you park on the pavement and allow space for people to get past you are NOT breaking the law.

Someone who is so obsessed with the issue that they will damage someone's car, simply because it is on the pavement, causing an obstruction or not, really needs to take a look at how pointless their life has become.

People who constantly complain about parking that isn't illegal, and isn't causing a problem need to go out and get a life. And on another point, road tax pays for the upkeep of the public highway, which includes pavements. I pay more to keep the pavement fixed than the pedestrian who decides to smash my wing mirror.

[g_angel]

Perhaps it's just because I know him better but I find it really interesting to see how people take Kermit's posts seriously! He will exaggerate almost any view to the point of hyperbole and he loves playing devil's advocate.

Hmmm.

But to be fair, he can come across as quite offensive - especially to those who are not used to his posting style...

[Kermit]

Now, the pictures below were of a particularly shitty piece of parking, and my rather blunt note I left on the window. Superb.

Who the hell parked that, Stevie Wonder? :lol:

Parking on the pavement isn't necessarily and obstruction and you really are making a meal over the damage a bit of inflated rubber may cause.

More often than not it is an obstruction, though. It certainly restricts the width of the pavement making it harder for people to get past.

It's not something I really thought about myself until I started pushing someone around in a wheelchair. The chairs do take up a lot of room, much more than most people realise, and I've lost count of the number of times that I've had to take the chair into the road to get around a car parked on the path. A wheelchair takes up most of a 2' pavement and someone parking on the path often means that people can't get through.

As for the damage, uneven paving stones are caused by people parking on paths. You can see this where people regularly park on the path. The paths aren't designed to hold the weight of cars and so they buckle and fracture. It's only getting worse as cars get bigger and heavier. And then pedestrians fall over the broken stones, nearly breaking their ankles, as happened to me.

I don't think people parking on the path are setting out to be selfish and twattish but that is what it ends up being. Most people completely underestimate the amount of space that disabled people, particularly wheelchair users, need and as such that sends the most vulnerable pedestrians into the road. I never realised how much room a wheelchair user needed until I used a wheelchair and most drivers (thankfully) will never need to use one.

As for the person wilfully damaging the car, well they're a twat too and it sounds like they have serious mental health difficulties.

[g_angel]

Who the hell parked that, Stevie Wonder? :lol:




You know - I never did see the driver. I spotted the car on a few further occasions, but parked a little more suitably :D

It was one of the few times I've genuinely been angry enough to write a note to somebody as they'd completely blocked access to the other road :lol:

[Melian]

*agrees with Kermit*

[kangoo]

You're just being a dick now.



I'm glad someone said it :banghead:

[kangoo]

Perhaps it's just because I know him better but I find it really interesting to see how people take Kermit's posts seriously! He will exaggerate almost any view to the point of hyperbole and he loves playing devil's advocate.

Hmmm.

Devils advocate is one thing, but calling someone a selfish twat when they're just looking for some advice is another. If his posts aren't to be taken seriously then whats the point of posting here, except to wind people up

[SuzyCreamcheese]

i get annoyed with people parking on the pavement a lot, because often i have to take my pushchair actually onto the road to get past a bloody car, although if theres enough space, then i dont see why they would have been bothered, unless it was just one of her pet hates.
If you left enough room big enough for at least a double buggy to get past then shes got no right to touch your wing mirror, although if you hadnt left enough space, i wouldnt blame someone for doing that - ive been tempted often enough!
I hope you dont get fined though, is there nowhere better you can park?

[FireFly85]

Nothing to say except that I sympathise, I had my car vandalised last year by some twat who didn't like where I had parked. Just makes me wonder, what happened to approaching someone, explaining the situation and asking them politely and nicely to move their car, or failing that, leave a nice note doing so? Why is it that people feel they have to vandalize someone's vehicle or leave really horrible notes on their windscreen as the first course of action before even *asking* them to move. All it does is create conflict and animosity when a simple "oh would you mind moving your car because (whatever)" would suffice.

[Whowhere]

Nothing to say except that I sympathise, I had my car vandalised last year by some twat who didn't like where I had parked. Just makes me wonder, what happened to approaching someone, explaining the situation and asking them politely and nicely to move their car, or failing that, leave a nice note doing so? Why is it that people feel they have to vandalize someone's vehicle or leave really horrible notes on their windscreen as the first course of action before even *asking* them to move. All it does is create conflict and animosity when a simple "oh would you mind moving your car because (whatever)" would suffice.


I agree, there seem to be a lot of angry people around. We get a lot of calls at work from people who are unwilling to simply ask someone to move a car/turn some music down e.t.c. using us as the first port of call, and it really bugs me.
Whenever someone parks in the way of my car, or when my neighbours have had really loud music on then I've politely asked them to change whatever it is they're doing, and it's always worked.

[guilde]

:nervous: parking along a pavement is just not a good idea. it blocks others that is, pedestrian and pets even wheelchaired persons. thats rather better to a place to place or park your car safely. it often happens that parking a car on pavement may lead to bother thieves to your own car??? beware!!!!:confused: :naughty:

[girl with sharp teeth]

If his posts aren't to be taken seriously then whats the point of posting here, except to wind people up Kermit can take care of himself so I won't answer for him, but I've often played devil's advocate on these boards myself. It means that others need to examine their own view points and validate their reasons for supporting one opinion over another.

Whether you agree that his opinion on parking is right or not, it is an absolute fact that everyone is unintentionally selfish on occasion. If you've ever smoked in front of a non smoker without asking them if they minded, that's being selfish. If you've parked somewhere without considering if you have blocked access for someone then that's selfish. If you've played music loudly where other people can hear it, then that's selfish. It doesn't make you a bad person to have done anything like that, but everyone needs to recognise that their actions can affect other people in ways that you might not have considered.

Whether or not her acccess was affected, there is no way I can condone the lady in the wheelchair damaging cars. However, I can put myself in her place from pushing my sister around, and I know how frustrating it is for people in wheelchairs to find that their routes are blocked off by people who just haven't thought about how much space they are leaving. Sometimes it's taken me a good few minutes to manouvre my sister through a space that would be no problem for a pedestrian but poses huge issues for a wheelchair or a pram.

[z-]

Kermit can take care of himself so I won't answer for him, but I've often played devil's advocate on these boards myself. It means that others need to examine their own view points and validate their reasons for supporting one opinion over another.

its not playing devils advocate thats the problem its being down right abusive to people.. most people know not to take it to heart but thats not the point, 90% of other people wouldn't get away with talking like it

[kangoo]

its not playing devils advocate thats the problem its being down right abusive to people.. most people know not to take it to heart but thats not the point, 90% of other people wouldn't get away with talking like it

:yes:

It wasn't the selfish that I had so much of a problem with, than calling the op a 'twat' when they were asking for advice. I haven't got a problem with playing devils advocate I just hate unnecessary aggression and abuse, and to be honest its not the first time its pissed me off which is why I'm making such a fuss about it, rather than just letting it go which I would probably do if it was a one off

[g_angel]

its not playing devils advocate thats the problem its being down right abusive to people.. most people know not to take it to heart but thats not the point, 90% of other people wouldn't get away with talking like it

Exactly.

Another example of some posters seemingly being outside the rules. Imagine a noob (or whatever the stupid term is) coming on and calling somebody a selfish twat etc. They'd straight away have people telling them not to, and a mod informing them of the good manners guide etc etc etc.

David needs to just watch his e-tongue a bit, as a lot of the time it is unnecessarily and unfairly barbed.

[lea_uk]

Exactly.

Another example of some posters seemingly being outside the rules. Imagine a noob (or whatever the stupid term is) coming on and calling somebody a selfish twat etc. They'd straight away have people telling them not to, and a mod informing them of the good manners guide etc etc etc.

David needs to just watch his e-tongue a bit, as a lot of the time it is unnecessarily and unfairly barbed.
I agree.

[girl with sharp teeth]

*shrug*

You're not saying anything I haven't told him before :D

I thought I'd point out he doesn't mean anything by it - whether or not it comes across that way is another matter!

[morrocan roll]

This thread :D :lol: :eek: :crazyeyes :eek2:

[Yeah I no]

I hope you dont get fined though, is there nowhere better you can park?

Not really, its a really narrow road and ambulances have to get past, I only park there when I go and see my Gran which is once a week for a couple of hours.

I also get pissed off when cars park on the pavement and I can get past with a my pram and Ive got quite a big pram!! But I always make sure I leave enough room on the pavement - I have to walk past my car with the pram so I know I have left enough room.

[leedsblokey]

Parking on the pavement is legal as long as there aren't double or single yellow lines on the road (as they apply both on the pavement and road), or any visibly defined parking limitations, as far as I know.

In my experience, if you can't get a double buggy past the car on the pavement then it's officially an obstruction, regardless of where you've parked. This could, in some circumstances, get you a ticket.

I know sometimes the pavement is the only place to park, so as long as you aren't going against the parking limitations on the road, and there is enough space for people to pass by, you should be ok. Any damage done to your car should be reported, as whatever the reasoning, it's still criminal damage.

Good luck.

What utter crap - people like you, who have no idea should keep shtum and learn the law before you start dribbling your crap!

IT IS ILLEGAL TO PARK ON PAVEMENTS - HIGHWAY CODE Laws CUR reg 98, 105 & 107, RVLR reg 27 & RTA 1988 sect 42.

Bottom line, if a car has it's wheels beyond the kerb then it is illegally parked.

I have some twat opposite us (on a T junction) doing it, I have had 3 penalty notices put on their crap car and had it towed away. That's the law and I know it and use it.

As for the twat who says it's fine to call a cripple a cunt, you need a slap you disrespectful twat.

ALL YOU CAR DRIVERS SHOULD BE CHARGED £5K CAR TAX THEN YOU'LL LEARN THAT THE HIGHWAYS (INCLUDING PAVEMENTS) ARE FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST YOU LOT WHO THINK COS YOU HAVE A CAR YOU CAN PARK WHEREVER YOU LIKE.

Put it this way, someone blocked us in, parking on our drive so I borrowed a digger from the building site and cemented it to our drive - legally, I was within the law - why? Cos they had parked illegally on MY, yes that is correct, on MY property and as such I can do what I want. OH, sorry to clarify, at the time I said I was conducting works to my drive and had every right to do what I done because the car was in effect trespassing, in a way!

[g_angel]

What utter crap - people like you, who have no idea should keep shtum and learn the law before you start dribbling your crap!

IT IS ILLEGAL TO PARK ON PAVEMENTS - HIGHWAY CODE Laws CUR reg 98, 105 & 107, RVLR reg 27 & RTA 1988 sect 42.

Bottom line, if a car has it's wheels beyond the kerb then it is illegally parked.

I have some twat opposite us (on a T junction) doing it, I have had 3 penalty notices put on their crap car and had it towed away. That's the law and I know it and use it.

As for the twat who says it's fine to call a cripple a cunt, you need a slap you disrespectful twat.

ALL YOU CAR DRIVERS SHOULD BE CHARGED £5K CAR TAX THEN YOU'LL LEARN THAT THE HIGHWAYS (INCLUDING PAVEMENTS) ARE FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST YOU LOT WHO THINK COS YOU HAVE A CAR YOU CAN PARK WHEREVER YOU LIKE.

Put it this way, someone blocked us in, parking on our drive so I borrowed a digger from the building site and cemented it to our drive - legally, I was within the law - why? Cos they had parked illegally on MY, yes that is correct, on MY property and as such I can do what I want. OH, sorry to clarify, at the time I said I was conducting works to my drive and had every right to do what I done because the car was in effect trespassing, in a way!

:lol:

... and breeeeeaaaathe

[FCUK it]

What utter crap - people like you, who have no idea should keep shtum and learn the law before you start dribbling your crap!

IT IS ILLEGAL TO PARK ON PAVEMENTS - HIGHWAY CODE Laws CUR reg 98, 105 & 107, RVLR reg 27 & RTA 1988 sect 42.

Bottom line, if a car has it's wheels beyond the kerb then it is illegally parked.

I have some twat opposite us (on a T junction) doing it, I have had 3 penalty notices put on their crap car and had it towed away. That's the law and I know it and use it.

As for the twat who says it's fine to call a cripple a cunt, you need a slap you disrespectful twat.

ALL YOU CAR DRIVERS SHOULD BE CHARGED £5K CAR TAX THEN YOU'LL LEARN THAT THE HIGHWAYS (INCLUDING PAVEMENTS) ARE FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST YOU LOT WHO THINK COS YOU HAVE A CAR YOU CAN PARK WHEREVER YOU LIKE.

Put it this way, someone blocked us in, parking on our drive so I borrowed a digger from the building site and cemented it to our drive - legally, I was within the law - why? Cos they had parked illegally on MY, yes that is correct, on MY property and as such I can do what I want. OH, sorry to clarify, at the time I said I was conducting works to my drive and had every right to do what I done because the car was in effect trespassing, in a way!

woah, now that is a rant!:eek2:

lol, charged 5k car tax? not far from that now is it! haha:lol:

[lea_uk]

As for the twat who says it's fine to call a cripple a cunt, you need a slap you disrespectful twat.



Yeah because calling a disabled person a "cripple" is going to make them fell better :rolleyes:

[Skive]

As for the twat who says it's fine to call a cripple a cunt, you need a slap you disrespectful twat.

Disrespectful twat?
Anyone that vandalises my car, whether I be parked on the pavement or not doesn't deserve my respect, and I'd quite happily call them a cunt whether they're a 'cripple' or not.

Or do you think being a 'cripple' as you so eloquently put it, is an excuse for such behaviour.

Tit.

[ShyBoy]

Put it this way, someone blocked us in, parking on our drive so I borrowed a digger from the building site and cemented it to our drive - legally, I was within the law - why? Cos they had parked illegally on MY, yes that is correct, on MY property and as such I can do what I want. OH, sorry to clarify, at the time I said I was conducting works to my drive and had every right to do what I done because the car was in effect trespassing, in a way!

Erm..

You're mental :)

Any sober minded person would have used their noggin and asked the person whose car it was to move it. People say this country is going to the dogs and there is no sense of a community, well maybe that's the case round your area because rather than talking to your neighbours you get their cars towed away or cement them to the pavement :p

Seriously, try being nice :)

[FCUK it]

I somehow don't think that taxing cars '£5k' would be beneficial to the economy!

People simply would not be able to go to work and those that depend on their car for mobility who could not afford to pay would have to give up their cars, thus losing their mobility.

Sorry, but who are you to decide who should have mobility and not???

Errr, can't seem to find anything about parking being illegal in section 42 of the Road Traffic Act!! Take a look yourself:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_4#pt2-pb1-l1g42

Errr...also can't seem to find where in the highway code it states that it is illegal to park on the pavement??

It's funny, because the subsections you refer to, which are here btw: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:-Cwwdl-bFkcJ:www.directgov.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069860+HIGHWAY+CODE+Laws+CUR+reg+98,+105+%26+10 7&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
state nothing of the sort...if i were you, i'd do a little bit more research before you go cementing people's cars to your drive.

Did you turn it in to a water feature, or do you keep chickens it in now?

[ShyBoy]

I did find a small subsection but it's a bit vague as to exactly where it applies:

244

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

[Law GL(GP)A sect 15]

Living in Leicester there are a lot of the old redbrick terraces (was one of the industrial towns) and everyone on so many streets park on the pavements. I've never seen any notices saying it's legal or illegal, but never seen anyone ticketed for it either.

[FCUK it]

I did find a small subsection but it's a bit vague as to exactly where it applies:



Living in Leicester there are a lot of the old redbrick terraces (was one of the industrial towns) and everyone on so many streets park on the pavements. I've never seen any notices saying it's legal or illegal, but never seen anyone ticketed for it either.

Agreed.

It doesn't state that it's illegal - it just states that it shouldn't be done and that's mainly for london and places like oxford etc. lol

If theres no signs saying no stopping/no parking - i.e. clearway and as long as you're considerate when parking, which it seems like the OP was, then i'd say go for it.

[ShyBoy]

I've just been googling and they were having a similar discussion about exactly the same topic on the ubuntu forums. They said it was amusing because there are plenty of traffic laws that contradict each other i.e. sometimes the signage in London advises you to park on the pavement even though according to law there is a London-wide ban on parking on the pavement. TBH I always err on the side of caution (I've got a bike) and would love to put it on the pavement but always been worried about some over zealous PC coming to clamp it. Never really an issue just leaving it on the road because it doesn't stick out into the road. On occasion I've tried to get it closer to lamposts :) so I can chain it up properly, but I'm sure the authorities would rather not have to deal with a theft than a bike on / very near the pavement.

[leedsblokey]

Alright people,

Sorry for the confusion and for calling the disabled person a cripple. I still work on 80's ethics, i.e. spastic isn't very PC, granted, but there are still the spastic society shops. I think it says it all, cripple or not it's not meant to be offensive - its factual - just a play on words and what people determine to be politically correct or not.

Point remains, i'd never call a disabled person a cunt - you just wouldn't but to be honest you did make me laugh with that one - good on you! Funny :thumb:

Regards to the law; highway code says do not obstruct pavements, they also say don't park on a T-Junction - especially in a small cul-de-sac which needs the room.... all new builds have little room so why do those with 4 cars think they can just own the road - bugger off, buy a multi-storage car park if thats the way to be otherwise pay £5k tax, yea

I'm not a nutter for cementing the car in, its a case of standing up for what is right - like the bloke who tipped manure on council doorstep - fair play to him!!!!! p.s. no damage was caused to the car, well only the wheels! Let the air out, sorted :p

[leedsblokey]

Take a look here chappies (and chapettes)

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tal/parkingmatters/pavementparking

:shocking:

[leedsblokey]

I somehow don't think that taxing cars '£5k' would be beneficial to the economy!

Why? I think it would make us appreciate having the facility to be mobile instead of being arrogant. Before cars, was there such a thing as road rage? Nope!!!

People simply would not be able to go to work and those that depend on their car for mobility who could not afford to pay would have to give up their cars, thus losing their mobility.

Then they should obey laws - not park wherever it suits them. As you say, if they are that worried about mobility then park further away and walk! After all, the other option is no mobility - what, we all bend over and take it hard because of drivers? I think not!!!

Sorry, but who are you to decide who should have mobility and not???

I have an opinion, as do you and I am simply voicing it.

Errr, can't seem to find anything about parking being illegal in section 42 of the Road Traffic Act!! Take a look yourself:

I've posted a link and will post more with exact laws when my lawyer back on Monday.....Still, it is illegal and the car can be towed if deemed necessary

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_4#pt2-pb1-l1g42

Errr...also can't seem to find where in the highway code it states that it is illegal to park on the pavement??

Lol, its everywhere - open those eyes and you shall find :shocking:

It's funny, because the subsections you refer to, which are here btw: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:-Cwwdl-bFkcJ:www.directgov.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069860+HIGHWAY+CODE+Laws+CUR+reg+98,+105+%26+10 7&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
state nothing of the sort...if i were you, i'd do a little bit more research before you go cementing people's cars to your drive.

Lol, i've done my research thanks - have you? I think i'm right as i've had them towed and ticketed in the past!!!! Have you took this action? Nope!

Did you turn it in to a water feature, or do you keep chickens it in now?

Hahaha - thats the funniest thing you've wrote yet. I actually use it as a ramp for my bmx ;-)





AS YOU CAN SEE, MY REPLIES ARE IN BOLD

[leedsblokey]

More examples (relevant points are bold/underlined for ease)..... Pay close attention to this: You should not park on pavements in london, nor elsewhere.... it's bold for you at the bottom! So there you go, its all over - not just London!!!!

241

You MUST NOT park in parking spaces reserved for specific users, such as Blue Badge holders, residents or motorcycles, unless entitled to do so.

[Laws CSDPA sect 21 & RTRA sects 5 & 8]
242

You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.

[Laws RTA 1988, sect 22 & CUR reg 103]
243

DO NOT stop or park

* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus or tram stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing/tramway crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users and powered mobility vehicles
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend
* where you would obstruct cyclists? use of cycle facilities except when forced to do so by stationary traffic

244

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.


Extracts taken from: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:-Cwwdl-bFkcJ:www.directgov.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069860+HIGHWAY+CODE+Laws+CUR+reg+98,+105+%26+10 7&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

[leedsblokey]

Erm..

You're mental :)

Any sober minded person would have used their noggin and asked the person whose car it was to move it. People say this country is going to the dogs and there is no sense of a community, well maybe that's the case round your area because rather than talking to your neighbours you get their cars towed away or cement them to the pavement :p

Seriously, try being nice :)

Haha - my house is £500k, very nice area but too many drivers and too many posh buggers!!!! nice is for pussies :mad:

[leedsblokey]

Disrespectful twat?

Apologies - twat was a nicer way of calling you a cunt lol but going by your attitude - plain english is easier! You disrespectful cunt! Better for you?

Anyone that vandalises my car, whether I be parked on the pavement or not doesn't deserve my respect, and I'd quite happily call them a cunt whether they're a 'cripple' or not.

Try parking near me and call me a cunt, if I told you to move, and see what happens...... it'd be the last time you done it that's a fact. Anyway my point is that doesn't get you anywhere and calling someone with impairments (in a chair especially) a cunt is bang outta order - why not just run the 'cunt' over if thats how you feel? Get it over with..... (see here: http://www.deccanherald.com/CONTENT/Mar72008/scroll2008030755990.asp)

Or do you think being a 'cripple' as you so eloquently put it, is an excuse for such behaviour.

Nope, granted it's no excuse - although they do milk it at times.

Tit.

Spot on, i'm white with a big red boil on my head - my nickname is tit lol



My replies are bold again lol :eek:

[leedsblokey]

Yeah because calling a disabled person a "cripple" is going to make them fell better :rolleyes:

Apologies, no offence meant with this comment. I meant to use the term disabled.

[leedsblokey]

http://simonstevens.com/blog/?page_id=14

Some light entertainment regards to disabilities:yes:

[leedsblokey]

Parking on the pavement is legal as long as there aren't double or single yellow lines on the road (as they apply both on the pavement and road), or any visibly defined parking limitations, as far as I know.


Utter nonsense - read my posts for factual details - it is illegal.....

[katralla]

You're a bit thick really.

[Scary Monster]

No it's not illegal in itself, unless it contravenes another rule at the same time. 'Should' is not a rule, it's a request.

[lea_uk]

None of those things say "illegal"

[ShyBoy]

If you see my post above it does say there is a law but it doesnt define the law brilliantly, basically - not in london.

[Skive]

Try parking near me and call me a cunt, if I told you to move, and see what happens...... it'd be the last time you done it that's a fact. Anyway my point is that doesn't get you anywhere and calling someone with impairments (in a chair especially) a cunt is bang outta order - why not just run the 'cunt' over if thats how you feel? Get it over with..... (see here: http://www.deccanherald.com/CONTENT/...8030755990.asp)


I'd quite happily call you cunt all day long if you behave like one.

Are you expecting people here to take you seriously? Your very loud and seem rather worked up, you seem to have some serious issues. And tough guy acts via the web and bullshit stories are a little pathetic I think.

I call a spade a spade, and if somedody purposely damages my car they're a cunt, regardless of whether or not they're in a wheelchair. I rather judge people on their behaviour rather than there physical attributes. There's no excuse for vandalism.

[Skive]

Utter nonsense - read my posts for factual details - it is illegal.....

Highlight the bit where it says any parking on the pavement is outright illegal.
You can't because it's not.

[FCUK it]

Highlight the bit where it says any parking on the pavement is outright illegal.
You can't because it's not.

Agreed.

Leedsblokey - you don't need to go through that section of the highway code and RTA and highlight it for me - i know it.

Nowhere in those articles does it state that parking on the pavement is illegal - it says you shouldn't do it where it causes inconvenience and that local authorities can enforce it - which they would through parking bays and clamping or fines - hence parking permits etc.

It does not state that you 'cannot' park on pavements outside London, just that you should not. As mentioned, this is more of a request.
The articles are somewhat dubious anyway - but it clearly does not state that it is illegal to park on the pavement.

On the other hand, would you rather 2 cars double park on the street (neither parking on the pavement), meaning emergency services could not get to your house?

Didn't think so.

So what did you do with this persons car that you cemented to your drive? Bit extreme wasn't it? As was delivering horse crap to a council...some people have too much time on their hands!:eek:

[ShyBoy]

Haha - my house is £500k, very nice area but too many drivers and too many posh buggers!!!! nice is for pussies :mad:

I have to disagree unfortunately, I know plenty of people with houses worth £500k, more, and less, who don't feel compelled to cement people's cars instead of asking them :).

What you need to invest in if it really worries you is some iron gates or something at the entrance to your driveway. My brother has got some because where his house is there is a highish risk of being burgled.

We don't need to go all crazy :)

[Melian]

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London,

That only applies to London. Either way, parking on the pavement is selfish.

[Skive]

Either way, parking on the pavement is selfish.

In every situation?

Don't be silly. Parking on the pavement can be a necessity sometimes to make sure other road users have access. If you do park on the pavement for those reasons and still leave plenty of room for pedestrian and wheel chair access then why is it selfish?

[Melian]

Well, where I live, if there's cars on the pavement, it's not possible to get past them. And no, I don't want to walk on the road, because that's really unsafe. And I'm sure Kermit (?) said something about how parking on the pavemet damages the pavement.

[Skive]

Point is parking on the pavement is sometimes a necessity, it doesn't automatically mean you being selfish and blocking access for pedestrains.

Some of the authorities in London actaully grant permission to residents of certain roads to park ont he pavement because they realis it's often the lesser of two evils. Park on the pavement or cause access problems for other traffic?

As for the damage it causes. Obviosly it's going to cause wear, I'm not sure if it's to any significant degree however, and that is someting that gets covered by the outragously high taxes we pay to run our vehicles.

All I'm saying is that while parking ont he pavement may not be ideal, it not always selfish and it's sometimes a necessity.

[Kermit]

It's never a necessity: go and park on the next street. You have legs.

As for the damage, went over on my ankle again this weekend on a badly damaged paving slab. Funnily enough it was on a street where most people park on the pavement. It must just be a pure coincidence, eh?

The taxes go to pay for people who badly hurt themselves on pavements badly damaged by cars.

[TheKingOfGlasgow]

Parking alongside pavements and dropped kerbs: legality (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tmaportal/tmafeatures/tmapart6/secparkingfactsheets/parkingonpavements)

[Click to see more]

It's never a necessity: go and park on the next street. You have legs.

As for the damage, went over on my ankle again this weekend on a badly damaged paving slab. Funnily enough it was on a street where most people park on the pavement. It must just be a pure coincidence, eh?

The taxes go to pay for people who badly hurt themselves on pavements badly damaged by cars.

Did you not see the damaged kerb?

[Jim V]

Wow - now there's a topic I never expected to see people get so riled up about :P

Please remember (and new posters be aware) that if you want to discuss something - especially something like parking on a pavement - then there's no excuse for being overly agressive or unpleasant.

Rule of thumb - if you are actually shouting outloud what you are typing then you probably want to count to ten and check it before posting. ;)

[Skive]

It's never a necessity: go and park on the next street. You have legs.

Well it seems even the authorites recogmnise that it a necessity soemtimes. Else they wouldn't grant permission to residents of some roads to park on the pavement.
There are areas in most cities where parkign in the next street isn't a viable alternative, because those streets are just as bad or narrow.

And if you've had a job invovling the unloading of large amounts of kit to premises where there is little parkign available you'd understand that in some cases it is the only sensible way of doign your job.

As for the damage, went over on my ankle again this weekend on a badly damaged paving slab. Funnily enough it was on a street where most people park on the pavement. It must just be a pure coincidence, eh?

Maybe you should get a white stick? :)

The taxes go to pay for people who badly hurt themselves on pavements badly damaged by cars.

Road tax pays for highway maintenence, if the pavement is in an unsuitable condition then the blame lies with the council. The damage caused by cars pales in comparrison to weather damage.

[Kermit]

Did you not see the damaged kerb?

Yeah course I saw it, I thought I'd fall over for shits and giggles.

What do you think?

Maybe you should get a white stick? :)

If I'm fully sighted and fell down a hole, what hope does a blind person have.

As always, the convenience of car users takes precedence over everyone else...

[Skive]

As always, the convenience of car users takes precedence over everyone else...

Parking on the pavement is a lesser evil than backing up traffic and potentially blockign access for emergency vehicles.
If I didn't somtimes use the pavement to park, then I wouldn't be able to do my job properly.

There's obviously a need for it at certain times, even the authorities in London recognise that, else they wouldn't grant permission for residents of some roads to do so.

I don't agree with pavement parking in most circumstances but I recognise that there is a need for it sometimes and that blanket statement's such as 'ALL people that park on the pavement are selfish twats' is quite frankly shortsighted and complete bollocks.