It Justs Gets Worse For Leeds...

[Sofie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/6920103.stm

[drumbeat]

its pretty sad, but it could have been worse. at least they can play in the league now.

[Bri-namite]

Know a couple of Leeds fans and wouldn't wish bankruptcy on anyone.

I bet our Bantam friend is gutted they got relegated now, bet they'd give their right ball to start the season 15 points ahead of the white shite now ;)

[Yerascrote]

I can see Leeds in the conference in a few years time. No shit! :lol:

[Bri-namite]

I can see Leeds in the conference in a few years time. No shit! :lol:

Ey oop, ma name is Jay Ess Tee and am goin to see Leeds play Accrington Stanley at t'weekend!

[pill 'ed]

Hopefully this point reduction will give us a stern kick up the ass and force us to play our nuts off.
:(

[JsT]

Bastard!

Least we can start the season though which is the main thing, we are gonna struggle though!

[Sofie]

Hopefully this point reduction will give us a stern kick up the ass and force us to play our nuts off.
:(

With what money?

[pill 'ed]

With what money?

There's one thing that money can't buy, and that's passion.
Unfortunately our team doesn't seem to have much of that either lol, but the fans certainly do.

[Renzo]

Well, i cant see Leeds going straight back up. They are going to have to have a very very good start to dispel the effects of this.

[JsT]

Its gonna be another relegation battle I think.

[Renzo]

Its gonna be another relegation battle I think.

In League One?! I would have thought you could have got midtable. Maybe.

[JsT]

In League One?! I would have thought you could have got midtable. Maybe.
With a squad of 14?!

[Kermit]

Leeds have got away very very lightly, and if it had been a smaller name (ooh, lets say, Aldershot...) they would never have got the share.

Bates is bent, the administrator is bent, and both of them have got around both the law of the land and the laws of the Football League.

They shouldn't have even been allowed to start the season without the CVA. This is fantastic news for Leeds United.

I hope the Leeds fans are looking forward to the local derby with Farsley next year :lol:

ETA: Don't get me wrong, I'd hate to see the white shite go out of business, but I think they should have been made to stick to the rules everyone else had to. We had to go through two CVAs and the club is crippled because of it, Leeds on the other hand get to write the whole lot off and start again as though nothing ever happened. It's not right and it's not fair.

[Renzo]

With a squad of 14?!

Ah. I didnt realise it was that bad! Look at it as a chance to bring in some youth players (unless thats been shut down too ;))

[Lickalotapuss]

Its going to be hard but at least we're playing!! An appeal against the 15-point deduction will hopefully maybe knock the penalty down a few points at least, but maybe thats wishful thinking!!

Squad of 14 is only because we've being unable to buy any players while all this has being going on, we've still had a number of trialists and out of contract players taking part in all of the pre-season!!

We have some excellent youth coming through still and this year we will see a lot of them! Shame a few of the very talented youngsters have jumped ship to premiership sides but we still have plenty to go at!!

We are not in massive debt now so there will be money there to sign players and offer contracts to all the players who need them!!

Hats off to a lot of the lads who have trained with us without pay all pre-season un-sure of whether the club would be allowed to play next season, thats passion and commitment to a club they obviously want to play for!!

Roll on next season!!

[Sofie]

Just found this on the BBC Sport site:

Leeds fans have written to every League club pleading with them to back Ken Bates' appeal against their 15-point penalty.

Can't see that happening...

[Lickalotapuss]

Just found this on the BBC Sport site:

Leeds fans have written to every League club pleading with them to back Ken Bates' appeal against their 15-point penalty.

Can't see that happening...
Maybe not but it could!! If thats the extent of whats on the BBC website then it doesn't really show what the letter is about!!

The 72 (i think) League clubs will be getting together and it will be them (I think) who decide whether this points sanction will go through, or whether it will be made smaller!!

The letter is not asking them to back Ken Bates, its asking them to think of the fans, most Leeds fans absolutely hate Ken Bates, they would of rather seen him not running the club to be perfectly honest, hence chants of "Get the Chelsea out of Leeds" at recent friendlys!

The letter is stating that fans should not have to suffer because of the way Bates and co has gone through the administration which in turn has led to this 15-point penalty, the fans want Leeds starting on an even keel as the rest of teams in the division, which is fair enough, the fans haven't done anything wrong and would like the other clubs chairmans or whoever to see this isn't fair on the fans and to show some leniency!!

Maybe its a long shot but its worth a try and hats off to the supporters club for doing this, not many fans in this country are as good as the Leeds fans!! Although I do think the protests go overboard at times but that shows the passion I suppose!!

[Sofie]

Personally, I think Leeds should have the 15 points deduction. Either that, or what happened to Boston, should happen to them. (no points deduction, but relegated another division)

[Lickalotapuss]

Personally, I think Leeds should have the 15 points deduction. Either that, or what happened to Boston, should happen to them. (no points deduction, but relegated another division)

Why??

[Sofie]

Why not?

[Lickalotapuss]

Why not?
Good point well argued :rolleyes:
Supposing your argument is just your hate for Leeds which is fair enough but pretty pathetic.
I think Man U should be put in the conference because errrrrr I hate them!! :rolleyes:
:wave: :p

[Sofie]

I don't hate them, but compared to Boston, they got off lightly.

[JsT]

I wouldn't call a 15 point deduction 'getting off lightly'!

[Sofie]

So would you have rather got relegated another division, then?

[JsT]

We still could, we have a huge gap to make up in a tight league. I don't know about Boston's situation so can't comment about the differences, care to provide some links?

[Lickalotapuss]

I don't hate them, but compared to Boston, they got off lightly.
I'm with JST, I don't really know bostons position so can't comment and some links would be very handy!!

As far as I'm aware everyone who has gone through administration has gone through using a CVA, which is what the league specifies. Leeds originally went through a CVA but then this got argued and it was decided to sell the club straight out (not by Leeds but the creditors) which is when Ken bought it for the second time!!

[Sofie]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10062007/1/boston-accept-further-demotion.html is all I've found. There is a little bit on their official website.

[Lickalotapuss]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10062007/1/boston-accept-further-demotion.html is all I've found. There is a little bit on their official website.
From what I've just read on there it seems Boston didn't have the money to pay the CVA!?!?! Maybe I'm wrong, its all very confusing!!

Leeds had their CVA accepted firstly, but then it got some arguments which is why the club got sold without using the CVA.

To me these are two totally different situations so cannot be compared!!

Maybe I'm reading it wrong!?!?!?

[JsT]

I've found some more stuff on the BBC. So Boston couldn't honour the CVA they signed, couldn't pay any creditors and no longer had the financial resources to complete a full season. Which is significantly worse than us! Interesting to read they also got cheated by their owners so I suppose there are some common factors! Its not fair to any club though really, another club destroyed by cheats.

[pill 'ed]

which is when Ken bought it for the second time!!

I wish Bates would get the fuck away from our club tbh.

[JsT]

I wish Bates would get the fuck away from our club tbh.

Agreed! Sadly I think we are stuck with the old cunt.

[Lickalotapuss]

I wish Bates would get the fuck away from our club tbh.
I kind of agree, but like jst said it looks like we're stuck with him so the best thing the fans can do is get behind him and wise, not going to help anyone chanting things like "get the chelsea out of leeds", especially not the players, need to get behind the whole team and that includes wise and bates!!

[Lickalotapuss]

Letter Ken Bates has sent to all the league chairmans, regarding the administration and the subsequent 15-point sanction

http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1087222,00.html

[Renzo]

Letter Ken Bates has sent to all the league chairmans, regarding the administration and the subsequent 15-point sanction

http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1087222,00.html

Why should Leeds get any special treatment? Plenty of other clubs have been deducted points for going into adminstration in the past. I cant see a lot of clubs supporting Leeds in this, especially in League one.

[Lickalotapuss]

Why should Leeds get any special treatment? Plenty of other clubs have been deducted points for going into adminstration in the past. I cant see a lot of clubs supporting Leeds in this, especially in League one.
We haven't being deducted points for going into administration, well thats not what this 15 points is anyway, we got deducted the 10 administration points last season, which was sly admittedly but it didn't break any rules, it was a loophole which we exploited and subsequently the loophole has now being closed so no other teams can do it!!

The 15-point sanction is because we came out of administration without a CVA, but as bates said in the letter we were willing to go through that way until it got blocked for what seems to be political reasons!!

[Sofie]

Why should Leeds get any special treatment? Plenty of other clubs have been deducted points for going into adminstration in the past. I cant see a lot of clubs supporting Leeds in this, especially in League one.

My thoughts exactly.

[Kermit]

The problem is that the original CVA was rejected by the majroity creditor, HMRC, for not being suitable for them, so various offshore companies controlled by Bates and other Leeds United directors came crawling out of the woodwork saying they were owed millions with little proof. The second CVA was then passed, but HMRC are quite rightly launching a legal challenge to safeguard about £10m of taxpayers' money. These offshore creditors also allowed Leeds United's assets to be sold to the new company without a CVA, and coincidentally at least one of the offshore creditors is controlled by a Leeds United director. HMRC are quite rightly launching a legal challenge to this too.

I'd hardly say that HMRC doing their job properly is a "political reason", and the whole Administration seems to have been handled very shadily.

Without a CVA Leeds United should not have been granted the Football League share, and the divisions should have been realigned to keep Chesterfield in Division Two and Torquay in Division Three. A 15-point deduction is a very lenient punishment, probably more lenient than the one given to West Ham United.

The letter is just the usual Bates gobshite, and I can't believe that Leeds United fans are allowing themselves to be manipulated in such a way. Bates will spell the end of the club.

[Lickalotapuss]

My thoughts exactly.
Your thoughts seem very limited as you've not put forward any argument apart from "Leeds should get relegated again"

Kermit, from what I believe (and I no way make out to be an expert in all this as I find a lot of it very confusing), the original CVA was approved by 75.4% of the creditors which means it should of gone through, then it got recounted and once again it was accepted by over 75% of the creditors! Only after a month, and on the final day before the share got passed back did it get challenged!!
It has come out that Bates bid was the best on the table so thats why it was backed by the majority of the creditors!!
I'm not being manipulated by Bates, I just want Leeds playing football and starting the season on a level playing field with everyone else, I don't want to be watching a relegation battle from the first day of the season!

To me Leeds went through the CVA in the first place, it got over 75% of the creditors votes, Leeds directors or not (although theres no proof of that yet so you are only speculating), so Leeds should be starting the season with 0 points and should have had a lot longer to build their squad!!

[Lickalotapuss]

The meeting to decide Leeds fate with regards to the 15-point sanction is taking place today!!

I've read something from Lord Mawhinney (sp?) that they were seriously considering putting Leeds down a division, so I'd rather have taken the points deduction than that!!

Wishfull thinking but as a Leeds fan I hope the deduction gets lowered or quashed but it does look unlikely!!

Relegation battle once again and the season hasn't started!!

My mates Dad put £20 on Leeds going down a day before the 15-point sanction, think he got odds of 20-1, looking like a very good bet!!

[Lickalotapuss]

Appeal has being rejected :crying:

Oh well, what a season this is going to be, Leeds fans have had to put up with some shit from the owners over the last 5 years and it just keeps getting worse!! Hopefully we'll pull out of the relegation, we don't have a bad looking squad!!

[Sofie]

Diddums. :p

[pill 'ed]

Appeal has being rejected :crying:

Oh well, what a season this is going to be, Leeds fans have had to put up with some shit from the owners over the last 5 years and it just keeps getting worse!! Hopefully we'll pull out of the relegation, we don't have a bad looking squad!!

Yeah I reckon we can do it.
It will be a struggle but as you said, our squad isn't bad for this level of football.
If we do pull through this, then it'll give us all alot of hope for the future.

[Man Of Kent]

I don't think that I've commented in this thread so far.

I really don't wish this on Leeds, inspite of the club rivalry. Bates on the other hand deserves everything coming to him.

[Lickalotapuss]

Diddums. :p
Another fact filled, thought out comment :p

[JsT]

Wise reckons we can get promotion and we only need 105 points.

Haha!

[Kermit]

Kermit, from what I believe (and I no way make out to be an expert in all this as I find a lot of it very confusing), the original CVA was approved by 75.4% of the creditors which means it should of gone through, then it got recounted and once again it was accepted by over 75% of the creditors! Only after a month, and on the final day before the share got passed back did it get challenged!!

HMRC have made their position clear from the very beginning that a 1% CVA was not acceptable to them as majority creditor. Bates has attempted to use his contacts to broker the CVA by dragging people out of the woodwork claiming that they are creditors. They may be, but it seems very fishy, and HMRC are quite rightly trying to safeguard about £20m of taxpayers money.

Most creditors did agree to the CVA, but the CVA is awarded on the basis of the money owed.

It has come out that Bates bid was the best on the table so thats why it was backed by the majority of the creditors!!

Bates' bid may have been the best, but that was only because he knew what to offer. Both Pearson and Revie were prepared to put solid bids in, but quite rightly wanted to go through some sort of due diligence first. Bates didn't have to.

I'm not being manipulated by Bates, I just want Leeds playing football and starting the season on a level playing field with everyone else, I don't want to be watching a relegation battle from the first day of the season!

And I don't want my club to have gone through two CVAs and have been dumped in the bottom division for the first time in 27 years.

C'est la vie.

I personally think that the club should not have been granted the share at all unless a legitimate CVA was in place, so they have got off very very lightly with the 15 point penalty. Whilst they have no squad, Leeds have effectively been allowed to walk away from £50m debts without having to pay a single penny. It's back to the bad old days when the likes of us and Middlesbrough could both go bankrupt and not lose anything, which was why the rules got changed in the first place.

[Sofie]

Another fact filled, thought out comment :p

it's the least they deserve...

[Earl Purple]

It's 25 years, not 27.

What happens now? Do they forget all about everything they owed, put all the season ticket money into buying players and paying wages etc?

It's obvious that this season L@@@s will need to get about 65 points which is the realistic target and will aim for promotion next season.

Anyway, even sometime after our administration we had no money at all and had to loan out our top goalscorer last season as well as sell one of out other best players and even with an investor this season's "rebuilding" hasn't really gone far enough and with the likes of Peterborough and MK Dons building decent teams the best we can really hope for is play-offs.

[Lickalotapuss]

HMRC have made their position clear from the very beginning that a 1% CVA was not acceptable to them as majority creditor. Bates has attempted to use his contacts to broker the CVA by dragging people out of the woodwork claiming that they are creditors. They may be, but it seems very fishy, and HMRC are quite rightly trying to safeguard about £20m of taxpayers money.

It actually went up to 8% before it was challenged and also rising a substantial amount if Leeds got promoted etc.

I personally think that the club should not have been granted the share at all unless a legitimate CVA was in place, so they have got off very very lightly with the 15 point penalty. Whilst they have no squad, Leeds have effectively been allowed to walk away from £50m debts without having to pay a single penny. It's back to the bad old days when the likes of us and Middlesbrough could both go bankrupt and not lose anything, which was why the rules got changed in the first place.

Don't know where you get your information from, if Leeds regain Premiership status in the next 10 years they will have paid I think 56p in the pound (56%) back!!

A legitimate CVA was in place, giving the creditors 8p in the pound and which would have substantially risen if we go up the leagues!

So how we've got away without paying a penny confuses me slightly!!

105 point champions :) :yippe:

[Kermit]

The CVA process is not easy to follow, and that's where the confusion is, but the promises of repayment upon promotion are not generous gestures by Leeds United 2007 Ltd, they're how a CVA works. You get more money coming in, you pay more money to your creditors. Every CVA has the same principle attached.

Leeds United 2007 Ltd do not have any debts, they have paid a sum of money to buy the worthwhile assets from the old club. That's how they've got around not paying a penny back to their creditors- the creditors are all still tied to the old club.

Something very very fishy has gone on with Leeds United, and they have really got away with murder. I think they should have been booted out of the league if they were not prepared to follow the CVA procedure correctly.

You also don't understand why HMRC are complaining, and its basically because Bates has wheeled out a load of creditors (who are all conveniently directors of Leeds United 2007 Ltd) and managed to pass the CVA based on their votes. The single largest creditor, HMRC, is against the terms of the CVA because it effectively writes off about £20m of taxpayers money.

Quite why I should have to fork out so Kenneth Bates, who isn't even domiciled in the UK, can make a quick buck is beyond me, and it goes far beyond club rivalry. I'd say the same if it was a club I loved.

The Fat Controller tried to do a similar trick at City in 2001, and I opposed that too, because it's not fair.

[pill 'ed]

ONLY 12 POINTS TO ZERO, LADS!!!!

Not a fucking bad start eh??
I don't see promotion, but I don't see relegation either!

FUCK Y'ALL WHO DOUBT US!
I see a light at the end of the tunnel, and when we pull through this.... we'll be as strong as ever, so fucking watch out!

Thompson played a fantastic game, but well done to Heath and Kandol, for that late winner!

[Lickalotapuss]

Excellent start, we needed to start with 3 points just to get us moving in the right direction, was worried when we went 1-0 down but they've pulled it out of the bag!! Don't think there'll be many tougher away games than Tranmere so to get 3 points is excellent!!

Still too early to start getting excited but if we stay basically injury/suspension free I think we have a good chance of avoiding relegation, when everyones back (as we still have a few injuries/suspensions) theres not gonna be many teams in that league that could match our midfield on paper, games aren't won on paper but we do have the players there to do it!!

Come on the whites!!

[pill 'ed]

Lol Yeah I think I was getting a little bit too excited last night... I've only just remembered writing that! Haha, the wonders of booze...

Still, an excellent and promising start!
Onwards and upwards! :D

[Sofie]

FUCK Y'ALL WHO DOUBT US!


You only won a game...

[pill 'ed]

Yeah ok, lol I admit I was getting slightly too excited last night, but I was very drunk.

Still though, it was a tough game and we played well, definately a promising start.
My mate reckons we can push it for the play-offs, and he's a scouser fan....hmm we'll see :chin: :hyper:

[Addict]

Yeah ok, lol I admit I was getting slightly too excited last night, but I was very drunk.

Still though, it was a tough game and we played well, definately a promising start.
My mate reckons we can push it for the play-offs, and he's a scouser fan....hmm we'll see :chin: :hyper:

a scouser fan? lol. is he fond of people in shell suits with bluff moustaches and curly hair?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38356000/jpg/_38356825_scouser150.jpg

[pill 'ed]

a scouser fan? lol. is he fond of people in shell suits with bluff moustaches and curly hair?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38356000/jpg/_38356825_scouser150.jpg

:lol:

[cocoonrecs]

My mate reckons we can push it for the play-offs, and he's a scouser fan....hmm we'll see :chin: :hyper:

A wise chap then ye ? :thumb:

a scouser fan? lol. is he fond of people in shell suits with bluff moustaches and curly hair?



:lol:

[pill 'ed]

A wise chap then ye ? :thumb:




Well...;)

[cocoonrecs]

Well...;)

:lol:

[Lickalotapuss]

You only won a game...
In normal circumstances then yes its pretty trivial but in the situation Leeds are in every game is like a cup final and its very important, it was absolutely crucial we got off the mark with a win, had we started the season on 0 points like everyone else then it wouldn't have being so important.
I'll defo be celebrating every win like we've won the league, cos every win under the belt is another step towards surviving in this league!!

[Earl Purple]

I reckon after 8 games they'll have made up the 15 point deficit and will be looking up at the teams just above them still around 5 points and with 38 games still to go the gap won't look so insurmountable. i.e. to avoid relegation. No chance of promotion though.

[Lickalotapuss]

I reckon after 8 games they'll have made up the 15 point deficit and will be looking up at the teams just above them still around 5 points and with 38 games still to go the gap won't look so insurmountable. i.e. to avoid relegation. No chance of promotion though.
I hope your right, obviously I would love promotion but my main hope for us this season is just avoiding another relegation, then we can kick on from there next season and be seriously thinking about promotion. Promotion at the minute is just a pipe dream!!

[JsT]

Just staying up has to be our main ago. Anything extra than that will be a plus!

[Kermit]

I don't see Leeds staying up, one flukey win at Tranmere doesn't make a season. 15 points is a big gap when we were relegated with nearly 50.

Prenton Park hasn't been the fortress it once was in recent years.

[Earl Purple]

City won there 5-4 a few season ago during a good run, and drew there 1-1 last season.

[Sofie]

I don't see Leeds staying up, one flukey win at Tranmere doesn't make a season.

Indeed. I can't see Leeds staying up either.

[JsT]

Indeed. I can't see Leeds staying up either.
Wouldn't expect much else from you...

[Lickalotapuss]

Oooo It would be so nice to proove the doubters wrong but it will be a mammoth task staying up but I think we can do it!!

The thing is, last season we would have lost to a team like Tranmere, we would have lost last night in the cup away at a place like Macclesfield (also with 7 changes from the side that beat Tranmere). There seems to be an air of confidence and togetherness at Leeds at the moment and from my experience that hasn't being there for quite a few years!!

Wise seems to have got a squad (limited obviously) that wants to play and fight for each other, that can only be a good thing when we are in the position we are in!!

[Sofie]

Wouldn't expect much else from you...

:confused: Well, they don't have that much of a squad, do they?

[Lickalotapuss]

:confused: Well, they don't have that much of a squad, do they?
Do you actually know anything about the Leeds squad??
You seem to just assume or make things up!?!?!

Leeds haven't got a massive squad but the players they've got are quite good for this level of football. They've managed to keep a core of players from last season, the likes of new captain Alan Thomson who has played all his football at the top level (albeit for Celtic), Prutton who was an England U21 international, Tore Andre Flo who has played at the top level most of his career, Beckford who absolutely stormed this division last year, still got the likes of Matt Heath, Rui Marques, Frazer Richardson, Eddie Lewis in defence who have all played at a higher level, Jonathon Douglas, Ian Westlake, Gylfi Einarsson, Shaun Derry, Andrew hughes who have all played at higher level. Along with a lot of very promising youngsters!! New signings Leon Constantine and Curtis Weston who I don't know very much about but supposedly decent players!!

We have a squad of 29 at the moment with hopefully more to arrive before the deadline.

To me, if we didn't have the 15-point deduction, this is a squad that without injuries and suspensions could win this league!!

Doubt theirs any teams in this league that could match our midfield on paper!!

Just got to hope they play like we know they can!!

[pill 'ed]

I don't see Leeds staying up, one flukey win at Tranmere doesn't make a season.

Does a 4-1 win over Southend change your mind? :D

Flukey win my arse.... leeds are turning things around this season, and everybody knows it, they just can't accept it yet.

[JsT]

Good win yesterday. 9 to go before we ge out of the minus!

[Yerascrote]

Marching on together....we're gonna see you lose! Leeds Leeds Leeds SCUM!

[JsT]

Marching on together....we're gonna see you lose! Leeds Leeds Leeds SCUM!
Wanker!

:p

[MLY]

Indeed. I can't see Leeds staying up either.

I love how you seem to know everything about everything. I didn't really have you down as the footy following type?

Aww i feel sorry for Leeds :( Although i reckon a pt deduction is fair, not sure about 15?

[FireyFirenze]

Do you actually know anything about the Leeds squad??
You seem to just assume or make things up!?!?!

haha, i was thinking that!

[JsT]

We'd be top now if we hadn't lost -15! (Yes I know its only been two games!!)

[Sofie]

I love how you seem to know everything about everything. I didn't really have you down as the footy following type?

Been following footy for 5 years or so now.

[Kermit]

Aww i feel sorry for Leeds :( Although i reckon a pt deduction is fair, not sure about 15?

I feel sorry for the fans (well, the ones who helped us through our financial difficulties- the rest of them can go fuck themselves) but that's not really the point.

I don't think the 15 point penalty was serious enough, they should have been demoted to the bottom division and Chesterfield (who finished 4th bottom) should have stayed up. Leeds are getting away with walking away from their debts, and after the 10-point farce last season, I think the club's attitude to the rest of the league stinks.

I find Bates' grovelling to be pretty sickening really, after the way Leeds have treated the rest of the league. I hope they go down, for exactly the same reason most people hope West Ham go down.

[Lickalotapuss]

Been following footy for 5 years or so now.
Well you don't know shit about Leeds or their squad, so how can you comment?!?! Don't listen to the media, its full of Leeds bullshit bias!!


http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1094376,00.html

The above link makes for interesting reading, I know the likes of Kermit feel Bates just bullshits and that the likes of me are taken in by his "bullshit" but I'm sorry theirs too many facts and figures in the above letter to be bullshit IMO, he could be against lawsuits if he's bullshitted about all that! I love some of his comments, if you manage to read it all then the comment at the bottom cracked me up!

[Sofie]

What are you on about?

[Lickalotapuss]

What are you on about?
Huh?? Which part don't you understand? The part where I said you know nothing about Leeds?
Seriously, What are you on about?? In none of the threads I've actually read a comment by you that shows any knowledge of football what-so-ever, so why bother with your stupid one line comments that are clearly just plucked from thin air!!

[Sofie]

I think you'll find that I do have knowledge of football. Explain this to me then, if I don't have any knowledge of football, how the hell could I actually have followed football for the last 5 and a half years?

[Lickalotapuss]

I think you'll find that I do have knowledge of football. Explain this to me then, if I don't have any knowledge of football, how the hell could I actually have followed football for the last 5 and a half years?
Ok well I'd be happy to be proved wrong and I will admit to be wrong when I see a comment from you that resembles a knowledge of the game and not a comment that just seems to be guess work or copied straight from a newspaper.

[Lickalotapuss]

Well the taxman has now pulled out of the Legal challenge with Leeds United, good news for the club but in hindsight if there going to pull out now then why the fuck did they challenge it in the first place??
If they hadn't done so then the CVA would have gone through and we would have started the season on an even keel with everyone else. Set of twats!!

[Sofie]

What lovely people members of the public are.. There's a Government petition website and one of the petitions is to dock Leeds an extra 15 points because of the way the fans were at the last game of last season...

[Kermit]

I'd go for that.

Deduct them 15 points for the Munich songs, and deduct them another 15 points for the Bradford fire songs, and deduct them another 15 points for the racist filth they come out with every year at Leicester.

'Course, it'd need to be fair, and I'd deduct 15 points from Cardiff too. And 100 points from West Brom for singing about how they wanted us all to burn when we were stuffing them at VP.

[MrG]

Lets be showing a bit of support for the poor guys for once, i mean a couple of more matches and they could be into positive points!

[MrG]

Well just imagine what it would be like if the UK in the eurovision song or tonights dance contest, had a minus 15 points starting level, i dont think we would ever score.

So comparatively leeds have done quite well.

[Lickalotapuss]

What lovely people members of the public are.. There's a Government petition website and one of the petitions is to dock Leeds an extra 15 points because of the way the fans were at the last game of last season...
Not surprised it seems its Leeds against the world at the minute and tell you what I fucking love it after going to Elland Road at the weekend!! Theres a real togetherness at the club from the fans the players and the management and its apparent for the first time in a lot of years!! Everyone is fighting for the cause and now only 3 points from 0, I'd love us to keep going and get promotion to stick a big twos up to the FA and everyone who is desperate to see us fail.

Marching on together indeed.

Still got some hope of having this 15 points overturned aswell, the taxmans a cunt and was just trying to make an example out of Leeds because they don't get priority over footballing debts anymore. Keep the bullshit rolling in cos we will pull through it!!

"Fuck off to the football league"

[LuckyStrike]

i partly want to see them come back up to the championship just so we can beat the scum again (unless we go up this year), but also a part of me would love to see them fall into obscurity.

fair play to them for clawing back points so quickly.

but still "we all hate leeds SCUM, we all hate leeds SCUM"

[Lickalotapuss]

Seriously though - who the fuck are Burnley??

Your gonna hate Leeds cos although a division below we are getting more fans in the Kop than you get in your full stadium!! Your a little club looking for a big club to hate!!

Promotion?? Keep dreaming kidda :)

"Everyone hates us, we don't care"
"Dirty Dirty Leeds" - and proud, get stuck into the fucking haters!!

Whoooop de whooop (think I'm getting excited cos nearly my hometime lol)

[LuckyStrike]

:shocking: a leeds fan ranting on about their support, thats a turn up for the books.

just face it, you've fallen from grace, and all leeds fans are unable to accept it, you gambled and failed.

get over yourselves, i can think of at least 5 clubs i hate more than scummy leeds.

"champions league, you're having a laugh! champions league, you're havin a laugh!"

[Man Of Kent]

Theres a real togetherness at the club from the fans the players and the management

Yes, I particularly love the way Bates has said "the reason there's a Cockney in charge is because Yorkshiremen have short arms and long pockets". Even better is the fact that he banned FiveLive from the stadium for playing the interview (with them!) where he said it.

He added that the only reason people are being linked with putting money into Leeds is because they want their "ive minutes of fame". Once again missing the irony of the fact that they only reason he has any fame is.. well see if you can work it out.

Finally, just to avoid any controversy, he's also apparently threatened legal action against anyone who claims the the CVA etc wasn't "above board". So, 72 writs on their way to the league chairman who voted for the 15 points deduction then - oh and another to the Football League for taking action in the first place. Or is that threat about publicity?

[Sofie]

the taxmans a cunt

Why? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Leeds want to pay back something stupid like 8p for every £1 they owed?

[Lickalotapuss]

:shocking: a leeds fan ranting on about their support, thats a turn up for the books.

just face it, you've fallen from grace, and all leeds fans are unable to accept it, you gambled and failed.

get over yourselves, i can think of at least 5 clubs i hate more than scummy leeds.

"champions league, you're having a laugh! champions league, you're havin a laugh!"
Hmmmm, unable to accept it?? Don't think theres anything else any Leeds fan can do!! We gambled, we failed - correct, we've fallen from Grace - correct!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but have Burnley EVER being near the Champions leage?? We lived the dream for a short while now we're paying for it!! Bothered?? Well yes but times move on!!
Yes, I particularly love the way Bates has said "the reason there's a Cockney in charge is because Yorkshiremen have short arms and long pockets"
And?? Your point being?? People on Saturday were talking bout this and laughing, we have a sense of humour up t'north ya know, I love Bates honesty, seems you have more of a problem with it than Leeds fans!!
Finally, just to avoid any controversy, he's also apparently threatened legal action against anyone who claims the the CVA etc wasn't "above board". So, 72 writs on their way to the league chairman who voted for the 15 points deduction then - oh and another to the Football League for taking action in the first place. Or is that threat about publicity?
Get facts right before spouting will ya!?!
I'll give you the proper facts tomorrow when I've brought them from home!! Its more about the Media than the 72 clubs!!
Why? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Leeds want to pay back something stupid like 8p for every £1 they owed?
Which would have gone up greatly with success etc.
The taxman is a cunt because...I believe he's made an example out of Leeds, in previous years when a club went into administration the taxman gor priority over debts etc. now the taxman is last in line after all footballing debts!! He's put a legal challenge against the CVA/Leeds Utd, this in turn has caused KPMG (administrators) to scrap the CVA and sell the club on the open market!! Because we didn't go through a CVA is why we have had 15 points docked!! Now the taxman has dropped the legal challenge!!
So.... If he has dropped the case then no good (for the taxman) has come out of him challenging in the first place......If he hadn't have challenged then the CVA would have gone through, Leeds started on 0 points....voila the taxmans a cunt
:)

[Sofie]

Because none of this is Leeds' fault, is it? :rolleyes:

[Lickalotapuss]

Because none of this is Leeds' fault, is it? :rolleyes:
Haha, your comments have not got any better, thought you might start thinking through your replys instead of making 1 line plucked from thin air comments, back your comment up please and I will start to listen!!
I'm sure someone on here might be able to back a comment like that up but I really don't think you can!!

[Sofie]

Well, you are going on like Leeds have done nothing wrong and going on like it's someone else's fault that they're in debt.

[Lickalotapuss]

Well, you are going on like Leeds have done nothing wrong and going on like it's someone else's fault that they're in debt.
Once again...huh?? Where do you get these random comments from?? Do you read anything or just decide stuff in your head and reply??
Read below....
IT IS Leeds fault we are in debt....well the Leeds board from when we were "living the dream" but still its Leeds Utd.
So I dunno where you made the last comment up from but I have never said its someone elses fault we are in debt!!

It'd be nice if you read something I wrote for a change and made your case by arguing my points, then we could have a proper discussion about it, instead of this random bull you are writing!!

[LuckyStrike]

Hmmmm, unable to accept it?? Don't think theres anything else any Leeds fan can do!! We gambled, we failed - correct, we've fallen from Grace - correct!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but have Burnley EVER being near the Champions leage?? We lived the dream for a short while now we're paying for it!! Bothered?? Well yes but times move on!!


fair enough, we havent been in the champions league, but we've won old div 1 and been in the then biggest european competition.

we havent done nowt for years, but im currently happy.

i think you may be surprised how well we do this year. aiming for playoffs at least.

:thumb:

[Lickalotapuss]

fair enough, we havent been in the champions league, but we've won old div 1 and been in the then biggest european competition.

we havent done nowt for years, but im currently happy.

i think you may be surprised how well we do this year. aiming for playoffs at least.

:thumb:
Playoffs......maybe......just, don't think they'll be gracing the Premiership next season though to be brutally honest!!
I wouldn't mind if they did get to the Premiership tbh, although my boss is a Burnley fan so might have to quit my job lol !!

[Kermit]

Ah yes, that old chestnut about how "big" the club is. Forest fans are still going on about that too, and they can't understand why everyone hates them either.

The CVA is of course completely above board and legal, and I will say that until the cows come home because of Bates' penchant for issuing legal procedings against those who canot defend themselves (at least two Chelsea fanzines folded in fear because of his threats through London's most expensive lawyers).

However I think the HMRC behaved perfectly responsibly, and they have obviously withdrawn their legal challenge for the greater good.

Lets not that get in the way of "everyone hates us" though. Everyone does, but Leeds fans are being even more nauseous than the Hammers scum at the minute. Man City fans didn't create like this when they were in that division.

[Lickalotapuss]

Come on Kermit.... Have you being spending time with Sofie?? Your comments are just as random!!
When have I said anything about how "big" Leeds are?? I mentioned to crowd, not the club!!
Withdrawn for the greater good of who?? If they wanted more money (the reason they started a legal challenge) then surely dropping the case hinders this?? Also without the legal challenge Leeds would have gone through the CVA and would have started on 0 points. SO.... The legal challenge has neither helped the HMRC or Leeds Utd so what good has come out of it?? (obviously people against Leeds will say minus 15 points but ya know!!)
Fucking hell Kermit..... Create like what??? I'm not complaining about being in this division, I'm actually enjoying it!! Did Man City have 15 points knocked off?? You need to hook up with Sofie, now that would be a random conversation :p :thumb:
It does seem like everyone is against us, 70 out of 74 clubs along with the taxman and the Football league, but thats nothing new for Leeds Utd, its something I've grown up with and accept, I love it and so does everyone at the club at the minute and it shows!!
Top of the REAL Division 1 and Marching on UNITED

[Sofie]

No he hasn't. I've only ever spoke to Kermit on the board.

[Sofie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/6983220.stm

[Lickalotapuss]

No he hasn't. I've only ever spoke to Kermit on the board.
It was a joke my love :)

"The reason that non-football creditors have not yet been satisfied is that the CVA (Company Voluntary Arrangement) was not completed due to the stance of the HMRC"

This new sanction doesn't affect us so nowt to worry about! All football related debts have being paid and its the HMRC legal challenge (which they've now dropped) which is the reason behind them not being paid. Taxman trying to use Leeds as an example cos they cannot handle being last in line for payouts of clubs going into administration, as I've stated before!! Keep the sanctions rolling in!!

"fuck off to the football league"

[LuckyStrike]

makes me laugh how LUFC have been printing league tables ignoring the deduction, not gonna get em anywhere.

their fans really do have a chip on their shoulder about everyone hating them.

[Renzo]

makes me laugh how LUFC have been printing league tables ignoring the deduction, not gonna get em anywhere.

their fans really do have a chip on their shoulder about everyone hating them.

Yeah. I was prepared to give them a chance but all this "fuck the football league" crap is getting on my nerves already.

[JsT]

makes me laugh how LUFC have been printing league tables ignoring the deduction, not gonna get em anywhere.


I havent seen them! Although we would be top ;)

[LuckyStrike]

I havent seen them! Although we would be top ;)

you would indeed, but you're not, thats the thing. no matter how much they want to "fuck the football league", they are still in their league.

i heard they are even printing the "REAL" league in their programmes. tut.

Leeds scum :P

[Man Of Kent]

Is it true that Leeds have been kicked out of the FA for not paying money owed to other clubs, when they came out of administration?

ETA: Apparently so... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/6983220.stm)

[Kermit]

What makes me laugh most about the white shite is how they think the football league hates them by giving them a fifteen-point deduction.

By rights, the share shouldn't have been transferred to the new company at all without a CVA. Mawhinney should have stuck to his guns. At the very least Leeds should have started with a 15 point deduction in the bottom division, and Chesterfield should have been reinstated to division three.

Leeds have got away very lightly with a blatant disregard for the rules. But then they're a "big club", and everyone bends over backwards for them. Funny how the same courtesy wasn't extended to Boston or Scarborough, isn't it...

[Lickalotapuss]

HaHa, I fucking love it!!

Why can't the fans sing "Fuck off to the football league" ?? What have the fans done?? The fans haven't done anything to deserve having a 15-point deduction and so would rightly be dis-gruntled!!

Nope MoK is "NON-footballing debts", i.e the fucking taxman!!

Yes the "real" football league is printed in the programme, also page number 15 is actually -15 and in the squad list theres "-15 football league", I find it quite comical but obviously people outside the club find it hard to deal with!! tut!!

Kermit - blatent dis-regard to the rules??? A CVA was in place - FACT, the taxman challenged it - FACT, KPMG (Administrators) removed the CVA to sell Leeds on the open market - FACT.
It wasn't Ken Bates/Leeds Utd selling it on the open market, it wasn't Ken Bates/Leeds Utd who removed the CVA, it was the taxman mounting a challenge that forced KPMG's hand to remove the CVA, a legal challenge that has now being dropped!!

their fans really do have a chip on their shoulder about everyone hating them.
The proof is in the pudding, only 4/5 clubs voted for the sanction NOT to be imposed, no chip mate - FACT!!

But seems everyone was expecting us to be talking about relegation already, we're on 0 points and after the best league start since 1973 the club is buzzing (its being a while I can tell ya), 3 more points to get out of the relegation and we've only played 5 games :) :yes:

[Man Of Kent]

Puss. The fans of the other teams which Leeds beat, thanks to players they couldn't afford, did nothing wrong either.

The taxpayers who have funded Leeds overspending did nothing wrong either. Neither have the companies who supplied goods but have still not been paid in full for them

But it seems everyone else should be happy to pay the price of Leeds ambition. The chip on your shoulder is a reflection of the fact that rules have been applied to Leeds - hell even the FA have imposed sanctions - and whilst everyone accepts that Leeds did wrong and should be punished, Leeds fans don't seem to understand that.

So yeah, fuck off to the Football League is OTT given that they could have refused you permission to even play anymore - or considering what happened to other clubs in similar positions recently. You got off lightly. be pleased with that.

And yes, I'd picked up that it was non-football debts, I meant to amend my post to reflect that.

[Kermit]

Why can't the fans sing "Fuck off to the football league" ?? What have the fans done?? The fans haven't done anything to deserve having a 15-point deduction and so would rightly be dis-gruntled!!

Eh?

Leeds have got away with not making any payments at all to non-football creditors. That's more than the 30-odd clubs before them ever got.

We've been through two CVAs and dropped four divisions in six years? Did we do that? Did we fuck. But our club has to pay for the Fat Controller's behaviour.

Why should Leeds get away with it when Scraborough were driven out of business for the same thing?

The proof is in the pudding, only 4/5 clubs voted for the sanction NOT to be imposed, no chip mate - FACT!!

Aye, because the other 66 clubs knew that Leeds should have had a sanction imposed for their blatant disregard to the rules.

And the way Leeds have managed to walk away from £80m debts in two years, and still have enough money to spend millions on new signings, goes to show just how much the whole affair stinks to high heaven.

They've walked away from their debts, put countless small creditors out of business, and then to rub it in go and spend a fortune on new players. A fortune that should have gone to the creditors.

I love the way that I get to pay for Leeds' shiny new strikers, though, as does every other taxpayer in the country. Not that I'd expect Leeds fans to give a toss about anyone but themselves.

[Lickalotapuss]

Eh?

Leeds have got away with not making any payments at all to non-football creditors. That's more than the 30-odd clubs before them ever got.
.
Your making things up Kermit, I'm not doing your research for you but look into it properly and you'll realise what a bullshit comment this is!!

But just a quick insight, Leeds haven't paid non-footballing debts YET, its going through the standard procedure it always does which takes time, time that was wasted with the whole nonsense of this legal challenge, otherwise they would have being paid by now!!

C'est la Vie!!

[Sofie]

With what money?

[Lickalotapuss]

With what money?
Uncle Kens

[Kermit]

I don't expect a Leeds fans to admit that what their club has done has been exceedingly dodgy.

But I would like to know where the club are finding the money to buy Premiership players like Huntingdon when they can seemingly only afford to pay a miserly eight pence in the pound to the British taxpayer.

[JsT]

I don't expect a Leeds fans to admit that what their club has done has been exceedingly dodgy.



I still dont trust Ken Bates and his financial tricks but then again I'm trying to stick with whats happening on't pitch

[Kermit]

Aye, I don't think it's fair that the fans and the player suffer for the boardroom's decisions, but that's life.

I'd hate to see the white shite go out of business, much as I loathe them, but I think they've got away very lightly with some very dodgy dealings. Especially when you compare Leeds to our fall from grace, after two CVAs we've got tuppence to rub together and I'll be amazed if we will be out of the basement for years.

[JsT]

Aye, I don't think it's fair that the fans and the player suffer for the boardroom's decisions, but that's life.

I'd hate to see the white shite go out of business, much as I loathe them, but I think they've got away very lightly with some very dodgy dealings. Especially when you compare Leeds to our fall from grace, after two CVAs we've got tuppence to rub together and I'll be amazed if we will be out of the basement for years.
A good chunk of the on field stuff comes from having a good manager, which you have.

I'd rather have McCall than Wise! Although Wise did get a it of respect for trying to knock ten bells out of Kevin Blackwell who's twice his size!

[Sofie]

But I would like to know where the club are finding the money to buy Premiership players like Huntingdon when they can seemingly only afford to pay a miserly eight pence in the pound to the British taxpayer.

I would as well.

[Lickalotapuss]

I would as well.
I bet you would!!

Ken Bates sold Chelsea for £100million didn't he?? He's the chairman, he's bankrolling the club!! Also average gates of over 27000 will also help!!

Kermit once again the 8p in the pound figure is false, I believe this is the INITIAL price but then increases substantially depending on success at the club within the next 10 years!! A good sensible move IMO, Bates will want success and with that success comes money so when the money comes in he pays more back of the taxmans debt!! To me a good piece of business instead of crippling himself so the club has no funds for transfers etc. But obviously the likes of yourself will have other ideas of what you'd call it, am sure you wouldn't be arguing if Bradford Shitty had done the same!!

[Kermit]

Eight pence in the pound is ridiculous regardless of any future success. The money spent on Huntington should have been spent on the creditors. Leeds have walked away from their creditors, and they've dumped on the British taxpayer from a great height.

Still, I should rest assured knowing that my taxes are bankrolling Leeds' promotion push.

I would actually be arguing the same if my club had behaved so reprehensibly; I was always very vocal about the Fat Controller's dubious financial habits even when we were promoted to the Premiershit. Because I actually look beyond my club to the wider game.

It's a shame the Munich chanters can't do the same...

[Sofie]

I
Kermit once again the 8p in the pound figure is false,

What is it now then?

[Lickalotapuss]

What is it now then?
Goes up to something like 54% on success over next 10 years!

So Kermit, you would rather your club be bankrupt and pay the taxman everything you owe them in a big lump sum to start with and not be able to afford new players, rather than keep a bit back, buy a few players, plan for success and then plan to re-pay the money on your success?? Don't be silly!!

[Kermit]

I don't think the club should be spending tens of thousands of pounds on new players when they have outstanding creditors. And I don't mean people like the taxpayer, per se, I mean the small unsecured creditors. The ones who will be put out of business if their debts don't get paid.

Paying back with success is only right, but there's investment and there's taking the piss. Leeds United fall firmly in the second group.

[Sofie]

What kermit said.

So Kermit, you would rather your club be bankrupt and pay the taxman everything you owe them in a big lump sum to start with and not be able to afford new players,

I would.

[Lickalotapuss]

I don't think the club should be spending tens of thousands of pounds on new players when they have outstanding creditors. And I don't mean people like the taxpayer, per se, I mean the small unsecured creditors. The ones who will be put out of business if their debts don't get paid.
Name them?? Cos I don't know or have heard of any and I'm sure the media would have being all over it if like you say, small creditors have gone out of business cos of Leeds! If you can proove to me they have then I will take back what I've said and agree with you that these debts should be paid before investing more in the squad!!


I would
Another insightfull and well thought out comment, you've won me over now and I agree with you :rolleyes:

[Kermit]

I doubt the media would have done, certainly there was no mention of the small companies who struggled after our CVA. And at least they got something; Leeds won't be paying a penny.

[Lickalotapuss]

I doubt the media would have done, certainly there was no mention of the small companies who struggled after our CVA. And at least they got something; Leeds won't be paying a penny.
Evidence?? Come on Kermit stop making these accusations without backing them up because until you show me some evidence my mind will not change, as far as I'm aware its only the taxman that isn't getting right much and he will get a lot more depending on Leeds success!!

Theses "small creditors" you mention...who and where are they?? How much is likely to be owed to a "small creditor"?? How have Leeds got away with not paying them anything (as u say)???

Stop spouting stuff you can't back up. I've already said if you back up your so far fresh air statements about "small creditors" then I'll agree with you, I personally don't think you can though, so until you can please stop spouting!!

[Kermit]

As Leeds United's list of creditors is confidential of course I can't name names, and you know that, but put it this way, I've heard of small suppliers really struggling because Uncle Ken won't pay up. Perhaps you should start by looking at the fanzines that have lost money.

And you keep mentioning the "taxman" like he's the bogeyman. The HMRC represent the taxpayers, and because Leeds United FC won't pay their fair share then my tax bill goes up.

Why the fuck should I have to fork out more cash because the multi-millionaire Ken Bates won't put his hand in his fucking pocket and cough up what is owed? Answer me how that's fair and I might sympathise with the penalty.

IMHO Leeds should have been relegated to the bottom division and had a 30 point penalty.

[Lickalotapuss]

And you keep mentioning the "taxman" like he's the bogeyman. The HMRC represent the taxpayers, and because Leeds United FC won't pay their fair share then my tax bill goes up.

Why the fuck should I have to fork out more cash because the multi-millionaire Ken Bates won't put his hand in his fucking pocket and cough up what is owed? Answer me how that's fair and I might sympathise with the penalty.

Leeds will eventually pay a decent share!! Tell me how much did Braddy Shitty pay the taxman?? Was this in the days when the taxman got priorty?? If so, how many footballing debts got unpaid??
Without looking into it I'm sure in your administrations some debts didn't get paid, cos if they did then there was no need for administration, right?? So do you think you should have being relegated to the lower division and started on minus 30 points??
IMHO Leeds should have been relegated to the bottom division and had a 30 point penalty.
That doesn't surprise me!!

[JsT]

14th now! 8 wins and a draw.

The top half by the weekend :D

[Kermit]

Leeds will eventually pay a decent share!!

There's nothing legally forcing them to do so, and that's what the issue is. The debts remain with the old company (which has nothing to do with LUFC 2007) and as such are the liability to repay the debts lies with the old company. That'll be the old company that has no assets and has, to all intents and purposes, ceased trading, then.

And the late Matthew Harding would, I'm sure, have things to say on the soundness of Ken Bates' word.

No CVA = no agreement to repay the debts. And that's why LUFC 2007 should have had the penalty. If they'd done it properly then I wouldn't be saying that.

I see Leeds got another jammy win last night after being dominated. There's no fucking justice.

[pill 'ed]

I see Leeds got another jammy win last night after being dominated. There's no fucking justice.

Lol So it's been 'jammy wins' all the way has it? We've come from -15 points down to 14th place through a series of flukey wins?
Christ, when will you people just accept that Leeds are coming back, whether you like it or not.

[Kermit]

They've not all been jammy wins, but the wins at Forest, Oldham and Tranmere definitely were. Even Wise agreed about two of them.

That's nine points of the 10 *shrug*

[Lickalotapuss]

They've not all been jammy wins, but the wins at Forest, Oldham and Tranmere definitely were. Even Wise agreed about two of them.

That's nine points of the 10 *shrug*
No, Wise would agree that we didn't play at our best but gound out the win!! Sign of a good team when there still winning games when not playing at there best!! Also sign of a good fit team when we are getting late winners!!
All the signs are there at this early stage for Leeds to do something special this season, just hope it continues!!

[Kermit]

I think Leeds have made some good buys this season, to be fair to them.

Quite where they got the money from, when they should be subject to a CVA (which means all spare cash rightly goes to creditors) is a different matter altogether :thumb:

[Lickalotapuss]

I think Leeds have made some good buys this season, to be fair to them.

Quite where they got the money from, when they should be subject to a CVA (which means all spare cash rightly goes to creditors) is a different matter altogether :thumb:
Get over it, jealousy gets you no where!! :wave:

[Kermit]

I'd rather see my club go bust than have the Ken and Dennis show.

[Lickalotapuss]

I'd rather see my club go bust than have the Ken and Dennis show.
I think you'd change your tune if you were unbeaten in the league at this point in the season, with only 1 draw blemishing the 100% record!!

[Melian]

What's your point? You're only playing the likes of Oldham, Hartlepool, Swindon, Gillingham, etc. Hardly decent teams.

[Bri-namite]

Leeds are a joke club, can't stand fans who seem to think they're the worlds best fans just because they were "there" when they were in Division Two.

[Lickalotapuss]

What's your point? You're only playing the likes of Oldham, Hartlepool, Swindon, Gillingham, etc. Hardly decent teams.
Huh? Whats your point?? Obviously thats who we're playing because thats the standard of football we play now at Leeds you muppet!! We're no premiership team, we're no championship team, we're a division 1 side so play against division one sides, duh!!! Can only play whats put in front of us, like at any level of football!!
I know, cos I'm suited we're winning games for the first time in 5/6 years we'll play Arsenal next week :rolleyes: get with it!!
Leeds are a joke club, can't stand fans who seem to think they're the worlds best fans just because they were "there" when they were in Division Two.
Explain?? Or more bullshit cos of jealousy because everyone expected Leeds to be well adrift at the bottom by now but instead we've come out fighting with our backs against the wall and are doing well SO FAR!! And because of whats happenend in the last 5/6 years Leeds fans have a right to be happy, i'm telling you it meks a fucking change!!
Oh and I had a season ticket when we were in the "old 2nd division", I was in Bournemouth for the last game of the season when Leeds got promoted to what was then the 1st division, Chapman header 1-0, so really a bit of a bullshit statement with regards to me!!
Oh and Leeds getting an average home gate of nearly 30000 in the 1st division is better than any div 1 side, most championship sides and quite a few premiership sides!!

[pill 'ed]

:lol: It's almost funny, the amount of bitterness against Leeds. What's your fucking points? Grow up and get over yourselves.

Of course we're 'only beating the likes of Gillingham, Swindon e.t.c'....well duh, that's because we're in the same fucking league as them, playing the same standard of fucking football. Just because we were in the Premiership a few years ago, do we have any of the same players? Nope. For us, this is an achievement, wouldn't you be happy if your team was unbeaten so far this season against teams of similar ability?!

Who said anything about us saying we're the world's best fans because we were 'there' when they were in league 2?! :confused: We're just supporting our club and happy that they're starting to do well as we have done for most of our lives. We're not saying we're better fans than any other club's fans, we're not quite that sad and quite frankly I couldn't give a fuck about any other clubs or how loyal their fans are.

[Addict]

Do Leeds have the best record in the football league at present? I think Arsenal have only drawn one match, but have played less games.

[Lickalotapuss]

Do Leeds have the best record in the football league at present? I think Arsenal have only drawn one match, but have played less games.
I think so yes, but like someone has quite cleverly pointed out we're only playing the likes of Gillingham etc lol

Like Pill'ed said, its an achievement, these are teams of the same standard as Leeds and it does make a change that we have something to shout about!!

[Bri-namite]

Explain?? Or more bullshit cos of jealousy because everyone expected Leeds to be well adrift at the bottom by now but instead we've come out fighting with our backs against the wall and are doing well SO FAR!!!!

The absolute last thing it is is jealousy matey boy, my team are playing away to Athletico Madrid at the end of next month.

A quick look at the fixture list suggest you’re away to Cheltenham and Port Vale around the same time.

I’m not angry at Leeds or hope they fail, but it doesn’t mean they aren't a joke club who’ve cheated the system.



Oh and Leeds getting an average home gate of nearly 30000 in the 1st division is better than any div 1 side, most championship sides and quite a few premiership sides!!


Good for you, give yourselves a Pride of Brtain award :rolleyes:

[Lickalotapuss]

The absolute last thing it is is jealousy matey boy, my team are playing away to Athletico Madrid at the end of next month.


Good for you, give yourselves a Pride of Brtain award :rolleyes:
Well matey boy sunny jim, for such a mighty team playing the likes of Althletico Madrid you'd think they'd pull in more than 13000 fans on average really!! Fucking Leeds would make it into Europe in that Pop and Crisps League!!
Pride of Britain award is standing pride of place on my fireplace!!

[Bri-namite]

Well matey boy sunny jim, for such a mighty team playing the likes of Althletico Madrid you'd think they'd pull in more than 13000 fans on average really!! Fucking Leeds would make it into Europe in that Pop and Crisps League!!
Pride of Britain award is standing pride of place on my fireplace!!

Wooooow, I bet your transfer/wage budget is at least twice of ours, not too bad for a club that's meant to be skint.

If you're on such a good wage budget is it any wonder you get better players and big attendances, full of fans thinking they're something special by going to watch them play smaller teams.

Please don't make out Leeds fans are saints for going to games, cause they could have fallen a lot further and had to put up with a lot worse standard of team.

[Lickalotapuss]

Wooooow, I bet your transfer/wage budget is at least twice of ours, not too bad for a club that's meant to be skint.

If you're on such a good wage budget is it any wonder you get better players and big attendances, full of fans thinking they're something special by going to watch them play smaller teams.

Please don't make out Leeds fans are saints for going to games, cause they could have fallen a lot further and had to put up with a lot worse standard of team.
Who's mentioned wage budgets?? Doubt we pay players more than you!!

We play a shite standard of football aswell, with a few moments of class throughout the whole league in a weekend, same as the Scottish Prem I'd say!!

Better players and attendances is because its a bigger club with some of the best footballing facilities in the whole of Britain!! Theres probably only a handfull of Premiership (English) teams that have better training facilities than Leeds, so yes we will attract the best players because players of that standard don't get many opportunites to play in front of 30000 fans every week and have training facilites the quality of a Premiership side!! Its not rocket science my friend!! Which player in League 1 wouldn't want to have access to them facilities and them crowds, these players will absolutely love playing in front of this many fans, it will be like a dream for them!!!

[Kermit]

I'll have to check about the 30,000 claim, since last season the only thing I could see were 30,000 empty seats.

I'm not jealous of Leeds, but I'm angry at the way they have been allowed to walk away scot-free from #30m of debt, and they've been allowed to be in a position to buy Premier League players like Huntington without having to repay their football creditors, let alone creditors like the taxman.

My club weren't allowed to, and nor were the other 20-odd teams who've been through a CVA since ITV Digital went tits-up.

Leeds have done OK this season, they've been very jammy, but you can only beat what's in front of you. But Leeds shouldn't be in a position where they can go and spend money on the new players that they have done. That money should have gone into a CVA and should have gone to the creditors not Bates.

Bates and LUFC 2007 have pulled a fast one and got away with it.

[Bri-namite]

Who's mentioned wage budgets?? Doubt we pay players more than you!!


I’d doubt it, I’d be amazed if we could afford wages for players like Alan Thompson and Tore Andre Flo.

We too “lived the dream” during the 90’s and spent more than we can afford. The difference is, we’ve done it the hard way – our wage controls are now beyond strict, so we’ve got a decent squad full of local lads not blessed with the most amazing talent who work hard with the odd decent player chucked in.

Easy to proclaim yourself as a real fan even after one or two seasons of relative failure. If Leeds fans had to suffer 10+ years worth of abonimable football and dire results we’ve had to suffer (which is purely down to our cost cutting measures we’ve implemented) then let’s’ see if they’d still be getting 30,0000 fans every week.

[Lickalotapuss]

I’d doubt it, I’d be amazed if we could afford wages for players like Alan Thompson and Tore Andre Flo.

Why do you think we've had to sell so many players if we could afford high wages?? Your far from the mark and I very much doubt the two players mentioned are earning mega bucks, quite the opposite I reckon!! We've had to sell the likes of Healy because of his wages, young players like Aaron Lennon because his wages were too high, the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and has done for the last 5 years!!
We too “lived the dream” during the 90’s and spent more than we can afford. The difference is, we’ve done it the hard way – our wage controls are now beyond strict, so we’ve got a decent squad full of local lads not blessed with the most amazing talent who work hard with the odd decent player chucked in.

And Leeds have all their local talent coming through, the difference at this point is that all the local talent that were experienced enough to play for Leeds first team has had to be sold due to cost cutting!!
Easy to proclaim yourself as a real fan even after one or two seasons of relative failure. If Leeds fans had to suffer 10+ years worth of abonimable football and dire results we’ve had to suffer (which is purely down to our cost cutting measures we’ve implemented) then let’s’ see if they’d still be getting 30,0000 fans every week.
Are you having a fucking laugh?? I'm not pro-claiming anything and surely am a REAL fan, fucking cheek!! Ups and Downs and I've being there and will continue to do so until I die, my blood runs white!!
Relative failure?? hehehe, do you know anything?? Leeds were in the Champions League semi final 5/6 years ago, we're now playing in the johnstone paint trophy, if thats not the biggest fall from grace EVER seen in football then I'd like to hear the story of what is, maybe you can enlighten me on this one??
Your gonna suffer crap football for the rest of your life because your watching a shite standard of football in Scotland week in and out, your Scottish so your just going to have to deal with that!!
I'll have to check about the 30,000 claim, since last season the only thing I could see were 30,000 empty seats.
We've averaged home gates of 27000, wouldn't even fit that into Shitty's ground!
Leeds have done OK this season, they've been very jammy, but you can only beat what's in front of you. But Leeds shouldn't be in a position where they can go and spend money on the new players that they have done. That money should have gone into a CVA and should have gone to the creditors not Bates.

Jammy?? Late goals aren't Jammy!! We've scored some cracking goals aswell!! Wise has got them very well organised, very hard to break down, we don't play the best football but who does in League 1?? We haven't got the best players either but to say we're jammy when we are unbeaten is fucking hilarious and only someone who doesn't have a clue about football would say it!!
Bates and LUFC 2007 have pulled a fast one and got away with it.
Its happened, whatever has gone on which quite frankly you really haven't got a clue and your just guessing more often than not, but its happened, time to get over it!!

I've also come back from my holidays and notice you never answered my questioned about Bradford Shittys administration??

[Lickalotapuss]

I've also come back from my holidays and notice you never answered my questioned about Bradford Shittys administration??
Well I'm at work so not much time on my hands but it seems Bradford Shitty had a debt of 35million and was bought out and taken out of administration with £900k?? And had money then to strengthen the squad?? Surely some debts didn't get paid Kermit, or was this a magic 900k like the loaf of bread that fed thousands??
The ONLY difference I can see is that it wasn't challenged by anyone?? The CVA was accepted by the majority of creditors, so was Leeds Uniteds!! The only difference is that at that time I believe the taxman had priorty over the debts whereas now footballing debts get priority!! So when it came round to Leeds even though the CVA was accepted by over 70% the taxman wasn't happy and challenged it, basically forcing leeds to sell on the open market without the CVA!!
You have a fucking nerve talking about debts not being paid, you really do, and then Shitty still had money to strengthen their squad also, tell me again how that works??
Fuck me!!!

[Kermit]

We have money to strengthen our squad? That must come as something of a shock to Stuart McCall, I must say. The £200,000 from Wideload going to Hull got spent on the free transfer signing of, er, Barry Conlon. He's hardly a Premiership-quality defender like Huntington. There goes your point, straight out the window.

The CVA hasn't repaid every penny, but there has been a legal agreement drawn up- with the consent of ALL the creditors- which means we have to pay the money back. We don't pay all the money back but that was the creditors' choice. (Incidentally, both our CVAs went through with the full support of HMRC- funny that.)

No such agreement has ever been drawn up during the sale of the old Leeds United to Leeds United 2007 Ltd. There is no agreement saying that the debts of the old club have to be repaid. What will happen is the assets of the old club (i.e. the pittance that were the proceeds of the sale) will be divided out between the creditors, and if that's not good enough they'll just have to whistle.

The only reason why football creditors will be paid is because the condition of the share being transferred was that the new club took on footballing liabilities. No other liabilities were taken on board, so all the other creditors can go whistle.

It's a shame Leeds couldn't do it honestly, but it seems they're just following in the proud tradition of their forebears Leeds City. Old habits die hard, eh?

Oh, and on the attendance thing, your average last season was a cracking 21,000. That meant there were 20,000 empty plastic seats at every game. Just before you go on about the "loyalestest fans in all the world" shite.

And we have an average attendance that is only bettered by two teams in the bottom two divisions- you and Forest. Not bad considering how fucking shit we are these days, with no money to spend and a reliance on loan players from Barnsley reserves.

[Bri-namite]

Relative failure?? hehehe, do you know anything?? Leeds were in the Champions League semi final 5/6 years ago, we're now playing in the johnstone paint trophy,


Instead of telling us all how you're a great fan who's always there etc, why don't you try reading what I'm saying?

You've fallen a long way, but there's still a lot further you could (and some might say should) have fallen. Some people don't have a team to support because they've gone bust, some people support teams who've ended up in the Conference and even lower. Easy to say you're fans are loyal, sure attendances would drop even further if your club went lower.

You've had it "bad" for four seasons or so, we've had a similar level of football for 10 years and more and we put up with it so it's not a massive amount of loyalty required. Kermit's team Bradford were in the Premiership not so long ago and now look at them, what makes you think you've got a divine right to whinge just because you consider yourself to be a big club?

Quit whining and lose the "everybody hates us" shite.


your Scottish so your just going to have to deal with that!!


I'm just going to have to deal with the fact that I'm Scottish? Okaaaaay then....

[Kermit]

Kermit's team Bradford were in the Premiership not so long ago and now look at them, what makes you think you've got a divine right to whinge just because you consider yourself to be a big club?

Exactly.

And all the "what have Shitty ever done" bollocks is exactly why people want Leeds to do badly. It's the same with Forest- they're stuck in that league because their fans are so arrogant.

Man City were never hated like that, although most people still think that they should still be in that league and they only got away with it 'cause of a bent ref.

When you look at what the Football League and Football Conference did to Scarborough and Boston, Leeds got away with it so fucking lightly it's obscene. So less of the "everyone hates us" shite- the FA and the FL sucked Bates' cock big time to even let the club compete this year.

If it had been Dagenham or Morecambe who'd done the same thing they wouldn't have had the share transferred, put it that way.

[Kermit]

Actually, it seems I'm being unfair, all Leeds can really afford is this donkey (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/sol/newsid_7040000/newsid_7040000?redirect=7040007.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1).

Do Leeds fans want some salt and vinegar with that chip on their shoulder?

[Lickalotapuss]

We have money to strengthen our squad? That must come as something of a shock to Stuart McCall, I must say. The £200,000 from Wideload going to Hull got spent on the free transfer signing of, er, Barry Conlon. He's hardly a Premiership-quality defender like Huntington. There goes your point, straight out the window.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/sport/2004/12/bradford_city_administration_10.shtml
"However, the ongoing financial problems saw the club placed back into administration in February 2004. The £900,000 from Rhodes' new deal will be used to settle debts under the terms of the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) which was approved by a majority of creditors"
Where I've got my info from, unless thats a lie?!?! Or are you once again fabricating stuff??
The CVA hasn't repaid every penny, but there has been a legal agreement drawn up- with the consent of ALL the creditors- which means we have to pay the money back. We don't pay all the money back but that was the creditors' choice. (Incidentally, both our CVAs went through with the full support of HMRC- funny that.)
Thats what adminstration is isn't it, not all debts get paid, you pay an amount in the pound and if my quick sums are correct yours works out at about 2p in the pound!!
Are you not fucking listening, back then the HMRC GOT PRIORITY, have you seen it this time, they had priority over all your debts BY LAW, now footballing debts get priority BY LAW, so the HMRC have used Leeds as a tool because they are not happy about the decision that they don't get priority anymore, FUNNY THAT!! Last time I'm gonna explain that, if you choose to ignore it this time your a bigger div than I thought!!
Also 70% of Leeds creditors accepted the CVA, this means BY LAW it is accepted and should have gone through, only the HMRC resistance BECAUSE they don't get priority anymore is the reason we're having this debate!!
No such agreement has ever been drawn up during the sale of the old Leeds United to Leeds United 2007 Ltd. There is no agreement saying that the debts of the old club have to be repaid. What will happen is the assets of the old club (i.e. the pittance that were the proceeds of the sale) will be divided out between the creditors, and if that's not good enough they'll just have to whistle
Your making stuff up again, why do you talk such shite?? Whats all this 20p in the pound which was approved by over 70% of the creditors, whats this 54p in the pound which gets paid to the creditors and HMRC depending on future success???
Oh and I will point out once again, now the HMRC has done what it set out to do and set an example it HAS NOW DROPPED THE CASE!! This means the CVA would and should have gone through initially and once again we wouldn't be having this debate!!
So future success see Leeds pay there debt back at 54p in the pound whereas it seems Shitty paid about 2p in the pound?? Show me evidence that am wrong!!
what makes you think you've got a divine right to whinge just because you consider yourself to be a big club?

Whos fucking whinging??? I'm happy about Leeds doing well, I have fuck all to whingew about, its the likes of you and Kermit whinging!! I'm happy as a Leeds fan for a change, simple, I have no reason to whinge yet, I couldn't give two flying fucks whether everyone around England loved OR hated us, just like me personally couldn't give a fuck in real life if someone liked me or not!!
When you look at what the Football League and Football Conference did to Scarborough and Boston, Leeds got away with it so fucking lightly it's obscene. So less of the "everyone hates us" shite- the FA and the FL sucked Bates' cock big time to even let the club compete this year.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't shitty carry on playing even without their football share?? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the PFA give shitty £5m to help them?? This is the football association giving you money to help with your debts and administration, whos cock is getting sucked there??

I'll carry on being happy my club are finally giving the fans something to smile about, you keep whinging and saying we don't deserve it, we deserve to be out of business, deserve to be playing non-league football blah de blah de blah, and we'll keep marching on!!

Oh and the crowds were smaller last season for a number of reasons, the main one was bates upping ticket prices along with moving season ticket holders to different seats when they'd sat in the same place for years

[Kermit]

The £900,000 from Rhodes' new deal will be used to settle debts under the terms of the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) which was approved by a majority of creditors"

Where I've got my info from, unless thats a lie?!?! Or are you once again fabricating stuff??

Are you a bit simple (don't answer that, you support Leeds).

The CVA was agreed by the creditors, and there is a legal framework which means City have to repay the debts in accordance with the CVA.

I believe the #900k relates to the second CVA.

Leeds United have walked away from their debts; there is no legal framework for non-footballing creditors to be repaid at all. The old company has the debts, but no assets to repay them with. So there goes their money.

The HMRC challenged the validity of the CVA because there were some debts declared very late just to make sure the HMRC's debts were less than 30%. They've dropped the action probably because the only remedy they have is against the old club, which thanks to Bates has no assets.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't shitty carry on playing even without their football share??

Nope, we've always had the share. Which is why we are full members of the FA and Leeds United aren't.

We did receive a loan from the PFA in 2002 to make sure our players were paid, but that loan is to be repaid in full.

About 35 other FL teams received loans because of the collapse of ITV Digital too.

And I do wish you'd stop saying "shitty" because it just confirms all the stereotypes about retarded Leeds fans:)

[pill 'ed]

I was at the game against Brighton at the Witherdean today, and I have to admit, we didn't deserve to win. But then again, neither did Brighton really.

Brighton played very well and were all over us in the first half, but we came back a bit in the second, with a VERY near miss from Beckford. The goal from Kandol wasn't great, but at the end of the day it's still a goal and it's the score that counts.

LEEDS UNITED 1 - 0 BRIGHTON & HOVE ALBION

MARCHING ON TOGETHER!

[Lickalotapuss]

Only seen the goal which was a right fuck up from the Brighton defender but from the reports I've read in various places it seems although Brighton had the lions share of possesion they never actually really threatened our goal and overall Leeds seem to have had the best chances!

Theirs only 1 stat that matters!! 0-1

Anyway, I think now we can really try kick-on our season, the 15 points have gone and are no excuse anymore, we're in 9th place, 6 points behind the leaders and if we get relegated now then we can't really blame the 15 points, we're now in a position on a relative even keal and this is where the work starts! Just hope that first defeat (it will come) doesn't start a downward spiral!! For now things are looking rosey, long may it continue!!