Richard Littejohns nice take on Suffolk murders

[budda]

Just in case you missed this lovely commentary on the murders of five young women in the Daily Mail the first time I thought I would share. It really sums up the Mail nicely I think;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=423549&in_page_id=1772&in_author_id=322&expand=true#StartComments

[Kermit]

There's no justice in the world, is there?

Why can't someone rape it, torture it and then beat it to death? I'd buy whoever does it a pint and a pork pie.

[_guest]

I am absolutely staggered by that article, I can't believe people actually think like that. If what he has written wasn't bad enough; I then came across this gem in the following comments:

I wonder how many men would buy sex if they were not out on the streets tempting them?

- Mavis C, Chester-le-Street

Eat shit and die Mavis C.

[Toadborg]

While it is hardly news that Littlejohn is scum, it is worth highlighting the fact from time to time, seeing as this man seems to get a lot of respect from certain quarters.

A total twat and no mistake.....

[Jim V]

I fucking furious reading that - at least these victims never did anything as disgusting, repulsive or damaging to society as Richard Littlejohn. Prostitutes they may be, speading hate for money they certainly didn't.

[Nikki*]

That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

What a sweetheart :yeees: Remind me to send him a Christmas card.

Some people piss me off. People have lost their daughters, granddaughters, nieces, mum, sisters, aunties, best friends, girlfriends etcetc, and he's trying to say that it isn't a great loss? Yes people grieve, as he goes on to say, because of their huge loss. And why? Because some person decided to take their lives into his own hands. These familes have had someone close to them ripped away with no explanation, and he's telling them to blame themselves. Either he's a heartless bastard or he's never lost anyone close to him.

[migpilot]

The other day when the first man was arrested, I was in Ipswich visiting my grandparents and as i was driving along a narrow street, i pulled over so another car can pass, the guy in the car rolled down his window and said something along the lines "They caught the bastard, thank christ for that..."... And he doesn't know me and I am sure he doesn't know any of the girls.
Ipswich is not small but when i lieved there, it felt like i knew everyone and it's a tight community, so Mr Daily Mail doesn't know what he is talking about. He fails to recognize that normal (and i use that word with caution) people live around the red light district and that other women who are not prostitutes use that route to go home and/or into town during the night.

Anyway, what can you expect from a tabloid!!

Briggi, I thought this comment was better:

"It is very likely that all five of these young women would still be alive if they had not chosen to prostitute themselves on the streets. We all make our own choices in life and we live or die with the consequences.

- Paula, Birmingham, Alabama USA ..."

[*Ashley*]

Either he's a heartless bastard or he's never lost anyone close to him.

Me thinks both together sums him up perfectly

[seeker]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Isn`t he just countering the articles over the last week that ARE claiming "we"/ "society" are/is to blame for 5 murders ?

The usual collective guilt bullshit.

[Kermit]

Eat shit and die Mavis C.

I'm thinking of hopping on the 21 with a Molotov cocktail and giving Mavis C an nice toastie-warm Christmas "present".

:D

[migpilot]

Mate, gather yourself....that would be a waste of alcohol. :thumb:

[Randomgirl]

What a cunt...

[Kermit]

Still, we're all talking about Richard Littlecock, so he'll be wanking furiously tonight as his wife beats his balls with a cat o'nine.

[satehen]

For the first few lines i agreed with him.. that is untill he started making out that their lives are worthless and that it's no great loss to society. They may not have found a cure for cancer, but who has?! I certainly haven't, do i deserve to be killed?

I do agree that the tired old excuses of drugs turning women into prostitutes is getting a little bit same old, but no they didn't deserve to die so horrifically whether they were drug taking sex workers or pious nuns ffs, these are human beings man, have some respect!

[SuzyCreamcheese]

fucking arsehole. I cant believe they even published that. Fair few people have pretty much called him a cunt in the replies though which is heartening for the daily hatemail, but then again, theres still at least half that have warbled on about him being the "peoples journalist"

[Renzo]

What a nasty little man. The sooner the Daily Mail HQ is burned down the better. God forbid they were real people! Im very tempted just to leave a comment saying "You fucking cunt"

[_guest]

... but then again, theres still at least half that have warbled on about him being the "peoples journalist"

Oh ya, he speaks for the "silent majority" (silent my aunt fanny!) dontcha know!?

Kermit I would join you on that bus journey in a heartbeat, what a stupid, hateful old bat she must be. Mavis and the point are obviously very much estranged. God damn those temptresses eh? Spending all that time to make their hair shiny and moisturise their coochie all the better to tempt Mavis's bloke... he's the real victim :yeees:

[Thunderstruck]

If I find myself agreeing with a lot of that article, does that mean I'm a bad person?

If it weren't for the fact that it was the Daily Mail, I'm going to buck the trend there and say that it was a good article. There's a lot of common sense in there at least, as Satehan has pointed out, in the first bit about these women being nothing more than victims of 'evil' pimps and drugs.

[Man Of Kent]

He's right, in the grand scheme of things they aren't a great loss. But then, I wonder if he's looked in the mirror...

[Disillusioned]

On another thread on this forum someone made remarks which implied a similar sort of take to Littlejohn...not many people picked up on that so surprised everyone is so outraged with Littlejohn. (I mean it's Littlejohn, what do people expect?)

Tbh with the exception of this line
That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss. I don't particularly object to anything in the article.

[Disillusioned]

The sooner the Daily Mail HQ is burned down the better.

Ever heard of a free press? Free speech? Fascists/communists/other authoritarians who advocate the shutting down of newspapers they don't like make Littlejohn seem moderate.

[Renzo]

Ever heard of a free press? Free speech? Fascists/communists/other authoritarians who advocate the shutting down of newspapers they don't like make Littlejohn seem moderate.

Yes i have, but the amount of hate pedeled by that rag is unreal. Of course he is allowed to write this stuff but i just feel sorry for the people his nasty views are influencing. The Daily Mail has never been the most tolerant "newspaper" in the world. Countless anti-foreigner/gay/certain religions articles. They love this 'fear' in the country at the moment as they will grab any opportunity they can to push their nasty little agenda.

I am not a fascist/communist/authoritarian. I just think Littlejohn is a nasty piece of work and i hope someday he gets what he deserves for pushing so much lies and shit.

"Frankly, I'm tired of the lame excuses about how they all fell victim to ruthless pimps who plied them with drugs. These women were on the streets because they wanted to be"

Maybe he should be hooked up on drugs to see what he'd do in the situation. This whole thing just goes to show how sex workers in this country need more protection, ala Holland and how making drugs so criminal is just making things worse.

[clementine_the_tangerine]

What a nasty and hateful little man.

[lea_uk]

Not a great loss?? try telling that to the families/friends. Stupid idiot!!!

[Disillusioned]

This whole thing just goes to show how sex workers in this country need more protection, ala Holland and how making drugs so criminal is just making things worse.

What about Holland? Have you ever been? Amsterdam has problems too! And anyway, the hard drugs these prostitutes were addicted to are also illegal in Holland. Prostitutes in Holland in an equivalent position to these women, i.e. addicted to hard drugs wouldn't be working in the legal brothels anyway.

Did you read Littlejohn's article?

We've heard the well-rehearsed arguments for legalised and regulated prostitution, as if we were living under the Taliban. The fact is, we've already got de facto legal brothels on every High Street.

They're call saunas or massage parlours.

As I remarked when the Labour MP Joe Ashton was once caught in a Siamese "sauna" in Northampton, he must have been the only man in Britain ever to go to a massage parlour for a massage. It doesn't get much more glamorous than that.

These five women were on the streets because even the filthiest, most disreputable back-alley "sauna" above a kebab shop wouldn't give them house room.

The men who used them were either too mean to fork out whatever a massage parlour charges, or simply weren't fussy. Some men are actually turned on by disgusting, drug-addled street whores.

I think he's right. Escorts, massage parlours, etc all operate pretty openly already. The solution is surely not to legitimise the filthy and unacceptable practice that prostitution is but rather to try and get people out of it.

[Kermit]

Such a shame that Littleprick isn't actually advocating that, isn't it. He's saying that the women are on the streets because they want to be. Maybe they get turned on by being raped and beaten, who knows.

I'm all for free rights, and I'd hate to see his paper closed down, but if someone raped and murdered him and his wife and children well, it'd be no great loss, would it?

[budda]

To me a society should be judged on how it treats those at the bottom, and if this is his attitude then I dred to think of the sort of society he would like to see.

Here's a radical idea, they are on the streets because they need money for heroin, why dont we just prescribe them the heroin?

[**helen**]

Here's a radical idea, they are on the streets because they need money for heroin, why dont we just prescribe them the heroin?

Clicky (http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=18009649)

[budda]

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Of course, and people have been calling for it for years, but it would be 'soft' on crime and Labour cant possibly be seen to be that. Plus there would be the usual backlash from the tabloids about the NHS taking money away from hard working pensioners and giving it to single mother drug addicts.

[seeker]

A question for everyone.

If I was to start a collection in order to purchase some heroin for addicted "sex workers", would you offer a contribution,and how much ?

[Sofie]

A question for everyone.

If I was to start a collection in order to purchase some heroin for addicted "sex workers", would you offer a contribution,and how much ?

I personally wouldn't. Why? Well, I'd rather not have to fund some sex workers heroin habit.

[Kermit]

But Sofie, you do anyway. The premium on your car is so high because of drug addiction, the premium on your contents insurance is the same. Your council tax is higher because the police have to spend so much time arresting people for being in possession of these drugs, and have to spend so much time dealing with the petty theft that goes with it. Your income tax is higher because of the court costs of paying for the trials of these people, paying for their legal advice, paying for their prison sentences, paying for their probation. Your income tax is higher because you have to patch up the people who were beaten up and mugged.

If we just gave them the bloody drugs it'd be infinitely cheaper for this country. As any fule kno.

[Renzo]

What about Holland? Have you ever been? Amsterdam has problems too! And anyway, the hard drugs these prostitutes were addicted to are also illegal in Holland. Prostitutes in Holland in an equivalent position to these women, i.e. addicted to hard drugs wouldn't be working in the legal brothels anyway.

I have been to Amsterdam actually.



I think he's right. Escorts, massage parlours, etc all operate pretty openly already. The solution is surely not to legitimise the filthy and unacceptable practice that prostitution is but rather to try and get people out of it.

Firstly, surely the best way to get people out of it would be to know who exactly is working in this line of business anyway. If it were legal, we would have a better idea of at least some of the numbers in the industry before things can be done. Secondly, are you not an advocate of free trade? If theres a demand...

[hazell]

i don't know if this has been said before, but the number of people who agree with him absolutely shocking. i know they prob daily mail readers but still....i honestly thought no one would think like that.

[Sofie]

But Sofie, you do anyway. The premium on your car is so high because of drug addiction, the premium on your contents insurance is the same. Your council tax is higher because the police have to spend so much time arresting people for being in possession of these drugs, and have to spend so much time dealing with the petty theft that goes with it. Your income tax is higher because of the court costs of paying for the trials of these people, paying for their legal advice, paying for their prison sentences, paying for their probation. Your income tax is higher because you have to patch up the people who were beaten up and mugged.

If we just gave them the bloody drugs it'd be infinitely cheaper for this country. As any fule kno.

I live at home, don't have a job and don't drive, so I don't pay for any of the stuff you've just mentioned.

[Deep Fathom]

I live at home, don't have a job and don't drive, so I don't pay for any of the stuff you've just mentioned.

But what about the products you purchase everyday? Things at tesco, etc, all have VAT and that ultimately goes around to different sectors payed by the gov't. Money's constantly in circulation.

[Blagsta]

I live at home, don't have a job and don't drive, so I don't pay for any of the stuff you've just mentioned.

Do you buy things? Then you pay tax.

[Kermit]

I live at home, don't have a job and don't drive, so I don't pay for any of the stuff you've just mentioned.

That explains the utter naivety of your viewpoint, I suppose.

Anti-drugs legislation is a complete and utter waste of money- making it an imprisonable offence to be in possession of class A drugs does not stop one single person from taking them.

It does, however, keep expensive judges, solicitors, barristers and prison staff in jobs.

[Sofie]

Do you buy things? Then you pay tax.

Rarely

[budda]

Rarely

Well I assume you plan to partake in society at some point, at which time your money will be wasted on laws which dont work and will never work. In the mean time its just everyone elses money which is being pissed away.

[Sofie]

Well I assume you plan to partake in society at some point, at which time your money will be wasted on laws which dont work and will never work. In the mean time its just everyone elses money which is being pissed away.

What are you on about?:confused:

[budda]

What are you on about?:confused:

I was following on from Kermits comments, after someone suggested that heroin should be given to these women you said;

I'd rather not have to fund some sex workers heroin habit.

To which Kermit replied that you do pay through your tax, but apparently you dont actually spend or have any money, so I suggested that when you do your money (along with everyone elses) will be wasted because we dont give out heroin to users.

[Blagsta]

Rarely

May I politely suggest you get yourself a life then?

[Sofie]

May I politely suggest you get yourself a life then?

So,, according to you, I don't have a life because I don't go out and buy things?:rolleyes:

[Kermit]

It's a bit rich for someone who never partakes in society to whinge about things, isn't it?

If you never do anything then it is quite sad.

[seeker]

It does, however, keep expensive judges, solicitors, barristers and prison staff in jobs.

Doesn`t it just.

[Deep Fathom]

If you never do anything then it is quite sad.

And that anything is quite difficult to obtain. We're all bound to pay in some way.

And Sofie, if you never buy things, how do you sustain yourself? if your family pays the dinner you eat, they pay to the Gov't. It's difficult never to give money to the state, you'd have to live on your own in undiscovered parts of the world. Even then would you probably pay something, those bastards. ;)

[Blagsta]

So,, according to you, I don't have a life because I don't go out and buy things?:rolleyes:

Yes. Yes, that's right.

[Makoto]

What a vile bitch Littlejohn is, I'd rather read The Sun than his filthy shit :eek:.

These five women were on the streets because even the filthiest, most disreputable back-alley "sauna" above a kebab shop wouldn't give them house room.

Some already had worked is the parlours around town any way. Unlucky. Ignorent cunt.

[Captain Slog]

What a vile bitch Littlejohn is, I'd rather read The Sun than his filthy shit :eek:
Newsflash: Littlejohn also writes for the Sun.
Some men are actually turned on by disgusting, drug-addled street whores.
I have always wondered how desperate do you have to be to want to risk AIDS shagging some ugly filthy whore?
Come to think of it, how bad does your life have to be to make you want to take drugs in the first place?

Its time we did more in this country to tackle the root causes of drug abuse: unemployment, poverty, abuse, family breakdown.

[Man Of Kent]

Newsflash: Littlejohn also writes for the Sun.

Newsflash: Not for several months now, hence the fact that his column is now in the Mail.

[go_away]

Back to Littlejohn, I'll refer to Einstein:

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.

:(

[Aladdin]

He's a Grade-A cunt. He should be dropped in a vat of sulphuric acid and his remains sent into deep space so his filthy molecules don't pollute the Earth in any shape or form.

[Calvin]

The scary part of the Richard Littlejohn article is not his thoughts, after all he sells himself on being controversial.

The worrying part is the readers who agree with his views. I know the sterotype of daily mail readers is old, grey haired and conservative.

I think the best society can hope for is a cold winter to reduce numbers a bit.

:thumb:

[JustWondering]

For the first few lines i agreed with him.. that is untill he started making out that their lives are worthless and that it's no great loss to society. They may not have found a cure for cancer, but who has?! I certainly haven't, do i deserve to be killed?

I do agree that the tired old excuses of drugs turning women into prostitutes is getting a little bit same old, but no they didn't deserve to die so horrifically whether they were drug taking sex workers or pious nuns ffs, these are human beings man, have some respect!

I also agreed with the first few sentances, hooking is a dangerous job.

Somehow I don't believe all the people that are standing up for the hookers before this all happened would be embracing them if they were hooking on their street where they and their kids lived.

To me these murders say to me why it's a good idea to legalise brothels, provide safe working areas and practises and taxs the horny little devils for the service.

The desire for sex is one of our most basic instincts and where as we have formal structures to provide for other basic human needs and instincts like provision of food, water, shelter, etc there's no framework to provide for sex.

Even this website has an entire section devoted to sex, so we know it's a big area of interest.

Time for governments I think to take steps to get the hookers off the back streets and into much more safe and secure environments.

[ShyBoy]

I would say one thing: people die every day, from the top of society to the bottom of society, all of this - everyone getting so furious about it - is all because of the media spin. This is just another angle at spin, really. Why was there a minutes silence? Who knew these prostitutes personally, who mourns them? There is their families, but why the whole nation? It's just a story that's been told to make people emotive, so they buy more newspapers.

[katchika]

I didn't know there was a minutes silence.

Yeah people die every day but murder by another person is somehow worse than an old person dying of old age.

[Sofie]

I didn't know there was a minutes silence.

Yeah people die every day but murder by another person is somehow worse than an old person dying of old age.

There was a minute's silence when Leeds played Ipswich on Saturday.

[katchika]

oh football clubs are constantly doing minutes silences for everything, gets annoying to be honest.

[Blagsta]

I would say one thing: people die every day, from the top of society to the bottom of society,

Errr...they didn't die. They were murdered. Targetted because they were women.