Psychotic type episode

[Shogun]

A couple of nights one of my mates who was on pills started rolling around the floor talking to herself, having a full on conversation with herself and talking about taking the bins out at 7am on a sunady morning, this isn't the first time it's happened her but it's the worst incident as she can't even remember any of it, i asked her the next day about it and she had no rellocation of it.

Is it possible this is some sort of psychotic type episode that the pills triggered something in her head? It's kinda scary because if she wasn't with us who knows what might have happened.

We put her up into bed and came back up a while later and she was still sitting rolling around with her eyes closed talking away to herself, anyone any idea what this could be?

It's not just the pills itself because we all were on the same one's and no one else went like this, however she has done it before on different type of pills, funny at the time but not so funny if something bad did ever happen.

[pill 'ed]

I don't know mate, a similar sort of thing happens to one of my mates aswell. She doesn't have conversations with herself but she double dropped once and was sitting there, eyes rolling back jabbering some shit about Texaco petrol stations and tractors to no one and when we asked her what the hell she was talking about she was just like "what? I'm sorry, I'm sorry ed" So I was like what for, you haven't done anything and then she came out with some more shit. Later on she went into her tent and was talking more shit and we looked in her tent and she was charing about on all fours like a beast. It was fucked up shit, we were on the same pills as her and I was on about 13 and was fine. She always does fucked up shit like that on pills though, I don't know why it is.

[Shogun]

This girl actually does have full on conversations with herself though, she works in a deli counter and sits and talks about what people want on their bread and how much it is and what type of sauce on it.

Funny at the time but kinda fucked up and you just can't help but wondering what would happen if her mates weren't there.

[z-]

ive seen plenty of people roll around talkin shite but ive found it tends to be down to the person.. as far as ive noticed people tend to be either really bad on e's or dead on and dont get into that much of a state no matter how many they take

i had that type of thing happen to me once tho, over the summer.. which was very strange because im usually dead on no matter how many e's i take ... and i only took two that night so im convinced it was down to a dodgy pill

and yea it can be fuckin funny but also a bit dodgy, espiscally a bit more concerning if its a girl .. if it was a male mate i'd probably just leave em to it.. in sayin that i dont know what i'd do if it was out at a rave or a club or what not, ive only expierenced it in house partys and minus the odd carpet burn its doubtful they're gonna do that much damage

and the bit about not remembering happened to me too.. usually time flys on e's but i remember bits and bobs.. that time i couldnt remember a thing .. people were actually comin up and sayin 'ha you were in some state last night' and i was completly oblivious, couldnt remember any of it!

if i had stuff like that happen to me on e's i probably wouldnt bother.. you turn into a complete and utter mess!

[budda]

Females react differently to pills than males, they need less and should not ever try and match male consumption, its just stupid.

If it was a friend of mine I'd be doing everything I could to stop them using at all, it may be 'funny' at the time, but its not going to be so laughable if she needs to get sectioned.

[Shogun]

aye she said anything could have happened here out on the town, especially if it's a girl..could have got raped or anything, fucked up like.

Thankfully it happened at her own house so it wasn't as bad but could only imagine what would happen if we'd have been in the pub earlier in the evening and it had have happend.

She only had 2 but has had much more other times so i don't know, she hadn't even been smoking ganga, just lots of booze then the pills.

[Shogun]

Females react differently to pills than males, they need less and should not ever try and match male consumption, its just stupid.

If it was a friend of mine I'd be doing everything I could to stop them using at all, it may be 'funny' at the time, but its not going to be so laughable if she needs to get sectioned.

Your right, it wouldn't be funny at all if she needed to be sectioned. She said she's off them, well she said it on sunday morning but that was comedown talk so only time will tell.

There's no real way in stopping anyone taking pills, if she wants to take them she'll take them and especially if other people there are it'll be even harder for her to stop.

[Nash]

I know for a fact that anyone ingesting loads of booze beforehand and during is just going to get into one huge mess. The experience is going to be alot harder on the body compared to if you were drinking water.

[budda]

Your right, it wouldn't be funny at all if she needed to be sectioned. She said she's off them, well she said it on sunday morning but that was comedown talk so only time will tell.

There's no real way in stopping anyone taking pills, if she wants to take them she'll take them and especially if other people there are it'll be even harder for her to stop.

Of course, but you can (and in my opinion you should) try and stop her, telling her in detail what happened and what could have happened is a good place to start.

[MancDan]

I know for a fact that anyone ingesting loads of booze beforehand and during is just going to get into one huge mess. The experience is going to be alot harder on the body compared to if you were drinking water.


Yeah i found out the hard way. Much better experience without alcohol.

A couple of nights one of my mates who was on pills started rolling around the floor talking to herself, having a full on conversation with herself and talking about taking the bins out at 7am on a sunady morning, this isn't the first time it's happened her but it's the worst incident as she can't even remember any of it, i asked her the next day about it and she had no rellocation of it.

Is it possible this is some sort of psychotic type episode that the pills triggered something in her head? It's kinda scary because if she wasn't with us who knows what might have happened.

We put her up into bed and came back up a while later and she was still sitting rolling around with her eyes closed talking away to herself, anyone any idea what this could be?

It's not just the pills itself because we all were on the same one's and no one else went like this, however she has done it before on different type of pills, funny at the time but not so funny if something bad did ever happen.


I've not seen this happen, but I know girl's who told me they've had a conversation with themself in bed, alone, after dropping a few. I get the feeling it has more to do with the users state of mind before dropping pills. i.e. how they're head works in their everday live's. Peopletalk to themselves subconcioulsy all the time, maybe the mind on pills doesn't realize and what they think in their head no-longer becomes hindered, it actually becomes a spoken out aloud or pyhsical thought process...

[Shogun]

Yea, i've found that myself whenever i've drank alot more than usual and then take pills i end up in such a mess.

Budda; I told her and her girlfriend also told her in detail what happened, she said she was off them but only time will tell with her, she's a bit of a header.

Box; I've no idea why she would be thinking about taking the bins out at 7am and making people sandwiches with brown sauce but who knows what goes on in anyones head.

[MancDan]

Box; I've no idea why she would be thinking about taking the bins out at 7am and making people sandwiches with brown sauce but who knows what goes on in anyones head.


Fair point, I did realized this after i posted :(

Sausage sandwhices without sauce? Scandolous!

[Shogun]

I know, madness.

You would have thought she was posessed by some sorta demon or something the way she was acting.

[MancDan]

When i hear things like this, it kind of puts me off dropping. I doubt it would hit me in that sort of way, nothing outrageously bad has happened so far...

[Blagsta]

Sounds like doing too many pills. I knew a lass in Birmingham who became convinced she was still working in her job a cafe, while in the Que Club off her head on pills. She started taking orders and giving people imaginary cheese toasties.

[Shogun]

Sounds like doing too many pills. I knew a lass in Birmingham who became convinced she was still working in her job a cafe, while in the Que Club off her head on pills. She started taking orders and giving people imaginary cheese toasties.

That's exactly what she done a couple of weekends ago, went into my mates kitchen and started making imaginary sandwiches and taking orders from us, she was sure she was working in her deli counter when in fact it was the middle of the night in a mates house.

Must just be something to do with certain people, however it never happens at the start of the night, always late after the club or pub when we're all back in a house.

[Shogun]

When i hear things like this, it kind of puts me off dropping. I doubt it would hit me in that sort of way, nothing outrageously bad has happened so far...

You never know.

If i'm not mistaken you've only started taking pills haven't you? i'm sure you've alot of crazy nights to come, i've had some mad and stupid nights out on them.

[Blagsta]

That's exactly what she done a couple of weekends ago, went into my mates kitchen and started making imaginary sandwiches and taking orders from us, she was sure she was working in her deli counter when in fact it was the middle of the night in a mates house.

Must just be something to do with certain people, however it never happens at the start of the night, always late after the club or pub when we're all back in a house.

Trippy pills.

[Shogun]

Trippy pills.

They are to an extent but not that trippy to cause these type of things to occur, everyone else there wasn't taking about sandwiches and brown sauce.:crazyeyes

[Blagsta]

They are to an extent but not that trippy to cause these type of things to occur, everyone else there wasn't taking about sandwiches and brown sauce.:crazyeyes

People are different innit.

[Shogun]

People are different innit.

That's it.

[lipsy]

i often find myself thinking about work when im on pills. i've never thought i was actually in work though

[CheeseOnToast]

I have done all that shit quite a few times.

I've sat in a room of people and say "Good morning xxx helpdesk, my name is Phil how can I help?"

And then looked at everyone staring at me blankly and been like uhhhhhh.

I've also turned around and said things like "Just dont go on the motorway, take a fuckin left" etc

It's horrible shit, it was funny at the time though, a lot of people in my circle did it, I think too many drugs though - although I suffered worse than anyone, and I do believe its linked to some kind of psychotic problem.

In the end it was why I stopped taking pills almost entirely, waking up and finding out the shit I'd done the night before was unbearable.

Once I told a girl in the local shop I was going to kill her and bury her apparantley (because I couldn't pay for fags on my card), someone I know was there and said I was just joking around, but she didn't find it funny and her boyfriend nearly floored me, my only defence was I couldn't remember a thing.. !

[MancDan]

All I want do on pills is dance, drink and smoke weed. Either one is sucha luxury, but, it damages the effect of the come up doesnt it? Bah cant help it. All'a that its nice on a comedown anyway. Who cant say, the best thing in the world is having a spliff before you got bed after dropping loadsa pills?

Stick 'friday' on. Sick....

If i'm not mistaken you've only started taking pills haven't you? i'm sure you've alot of crazy nights to come, i've had some mad and stupid nights out on them.


Yes. Ive just started taking them. I came to uni and I was always going to try anyway :D
I feel i can control myself, as i can on alcohol. Im never a knob to anyone under the influence anyway, so really, ive nothing to worry about :D Fuck, pills are definatley part of my life now. You cant deny they're great!

[MancDan]

If i'm not mistaken you've only started taking pills haven't you? i'm sure you've alot of crazy nights to come, i've had some mad and stupid nights out on them.


I know, I know! I've had a few already in just 2-3 months! I got years ahead of me! I intend to pill myself up often as possible!!!! :P

[MancDan]

Going 'Warehouse Project' in Manchester new years day! That is going to be awesome!

[lipsy]

Going 'Warehouse Project' in Manchester new years day! That is going to be awesome!
i've been to see roger sanchez and sasha so far at the warehouse prject. its really good! i might be goin on NYD too :D

[budda]

I know, I know! I've had a few already in just 2-3 months! I got years ahead of me! I intend to pill myself up often as possible!!!! :P

That's a bad idea, your tolerance will go up and the quality of the high will go down. Keeping it to once a month is ideal.

[briggi]

This all sounds very familiar to me, in fact is one of the reasons I stopped taking pills, I started to find it difficult to know where the fuck I was and what I was doing/not doing. It's alright - bit embarassing - when you start thinking you're in school or at work (pretty much everyone I know used to blurt out embarassing things like "I don't know, miss" etc when pilled up) but I found I ended up in a state where I'd still be doing it days later too, which was when I knew it wasn't too good. I still sometimes say random things out loud now (not in the street, thankfully, but sometimes just sitting on the sofa at home) and I think that might be to do with the drugs I took when I was younger... though maybe that's me trying to blame my madness on the easiest scapegoat :p

Eyes rolling back in the head was totally normal for me, too, depending on the pills and how many I'd taken. I think budda said earlier about females needing less than males, I can't emphasise how incredibly true that is for the most part. I remember nights when my girly mates and I would drop the same amount of pills or acid as the blokes I was out with, sometimes used to end up frothing at the mouth and hanging onto someone's neck for dear life feeling like I was about to fall off the edge of the world. Of course I never remembered any of this the next day. Oh dear!

It can be funny when people go nuts on pills, but obviously it can be scary too, especially if I'm pilled up myself and not really in a state of mind to be able to look after them properly. It's hard to know when to panic and when they're just going through the usual motions - if you're worried and she's worried then maybe it is time for her to think about knocking it on the head. Though people do have a tendency to say that on a comedown and be necking 'em with the best of them the next weekend.

[pill 'ed]

I've never had the eye rolling back thing.
I think that some people are just affected differently by them, as I said earlier, my friend always used to blurt out random shit and do fucked up shit on pills like charging around on all fours like a beast. Whilst myself and some of my other mates are relatively fine, even when we're on like 18 pills. Quite scary to think what effect it will have on those poeple, like my mate and Shogun's mate, in the long term.

[Addict]

i often find myself thinking about work when im on pills. i've never thought i was actually in work though

This happens to my friend all the time. He has a part-time job doing the bread in the mornings at a supermarket. When he's winged he always starts going on about doing the bread. "Oh, here's the white loaves, soon be done here" "I wonder if Jack will be late today with the delivery" "Where did I put that crate". It's absolutely insane and happens quite a lot. We always try and tell him he's not doing the bread and he's at a party, but he's in his own little world.

Then he'll snap out of it and be like "Boys, that was wild mad there, I thought I was at work doing the bread". Yeah, no shit man. :rolleyes:

[1983]

Hahaha, I talk such shit when on pills.

I was nattering about horse drawn carts and how they were the taxi for the continental man in the 1900s and then about how I preferred Baxters' soup cause they have more of a variety in comparison to Campbells soup all in the same sentence the other night. It's on my mate's phone. Fucking funny as fuck.

Then one time when I got off the bus I said "Thanks for calling 3, you're through to Rebecca, how can I help?" instead of saying "Cheers driver"

People just react differently, it's all part and parcel of the Jack and Jill scene, haha.

[lipsy]

isn't it weird how we all seem to have the same experiences on pills... like we all think about work and when we see visuals its usually tribal patterns, animal faces and glasses on people.

[1983]

isn't it weird how we all seem to have the same experiences on pills... like we all think about work and when we see visuals its usually tribal patterns, animal faces and glasses on people.

I know, it's hilarious. I love it when you totally trip, it's brill.

Although I should cut down, I'm starting to look shit these days. :yuck:

[pill 'ed]

Long gone are my days of going days without sleep and food with only pills and speed to keep me going. Going crazy and doing like 20 pills in a night and a gram of speed, tripping to fuck and forgetting where the fuck I was and what I was saying...every week! Now I try to keep it to once a month and only do about 4 pills each time, although recently I'm starting to pick up my old habbits. I'm only 18 aswell, quite bad really.

[Shogun]

Yea, it seems like it happens to alot of people really judging by the amount of responses this thread got.

However, when you see your mate rolling around talking away to herself about taking the bins out at 7am on a sunday morning it's kinda worrying as it never really used to happen to her, it's only started to occur in the past few months and she's been eating pills years.

We'll just have to see what this weekend will bring about, but i can't see her going off them for good, if she was to go off them then nearly all her friends including myself would have to quit them for good and at this point in time i just don't see myself or my mates doing this.

Box; I'd say judging from experience it isn't best to eat as many pills as you can as often as you can, however i can't say anything as i done it but the effects certainly do diminish, you still get the effects but their just not quite as good and you have to eat more.

[lipsy]

i only take 3 or 4 pills on a night out!

actually the other week i got drunk and then had 6 pills of 5 different types and i was so fucked i didnt know where i was and i kept forgetting if i'd even taken anything. i weouldn't do that again, i think its stupid getting too fucked because you can't enjoy your night as much or appreciate the music.

[pill 'ed]

Box; I'd say judging from experience it isn't best to eat as many pills as you can as often as you can, however i can't say anything as i done it but the effects certainly do diminish, you still get the effects but their just not quite as good and you have to eat more.

Yep, I've had it when I dropped about 4 or 5 pills and felt nothing at all because my tolerance was sooooo high. It's nothing to be proud of, it aint cool and it's a waste of your money.

[Shogun]

Yea i know what you mean lipsy, i don't usually eat more than 4, however the other week i ate 6 but usually it's only around the 2-4 mark.

Every once in a while tend to go a bit overboard, most i've ate has been 9 which was stupid, i've seen people eat up to 15 a night which is pointless but this boy had a huge tolerance and used to eat anywhere from 5-10 back to back.

But sure look where he ended up, he signed himself into a nut house.

[budda]

At the risk of sounding like an old duffer, if you are getting this messed up on pills you are putting both your head at risk, and of course you're far more at risk of being robbed or worse.

The idea of getting so wasted on pills I cant walk or talk just plain doesnt appeal.

[1983]

Then he'll snap out of it and be like "Boys, that was wild mad there, I thought I was at work doing the bread". Yeah, no shit man. :rolleyes:

Haha, I shouldn't laugh at that, but I'd totally piss myself if that was my mate.

[Shogun]

Yep, I've had it when I dropped about 4 or 5 pills and felt nothing at all because my tolerance was sooooo high. It's nothing to be proud of, it aint cool and it's a waste of your money.

I've never got that, always even if i eat one i always get an effect, don't know why, it's just the way it's been.

Money sometimes doesn't play a factor around here, the dealer is very generous because we've known such a long time and he's a big coke head.

[g_angel]

Unfortunately I've never really had any visuals when mashed - only the once when I saw vapour trails of people dancing for about 10 minutes. Was wicked while is lasted!

I've really cut down recently, but now and again go nuts.

I do like when you just enter a stream of consciousness that just starts to flow and you're commenting all the way along. I just love the tangents!

G.

[pill 'ed]

I ate 20 in a night once and that was last summer when my best mate was selling them and would literally just give them out to me when he got all loved up. Seriously it was just like eating actual smarties, I'd ask him for another pill and he'd give me a small handful. I loved it at the time but I soon realised it was fucking stupid because of how fucked my memory was getting, the weight I had lost and how high my tolerance was getting so I went for ages without doing any pills and now it's a once every month, 4 pills in a night thing.

[Shogun]

At the risk of sounding like an old duffer, if you are getting this messed up on pills you are putting both your head at risk, and of course you're far more at risk of being robbed or worse.

The idea of getting so wasted on pills I cant walk or talk just plain doesnt appeal.

That's what my friend was worried about, she was saying that if she wasn't with us she doesn't know what might have happened to her, robbed, raped or even worse.

[Addict]

Haha, I shouldn't laugh at that, but I'd totally piss myself if that was my mate.

Yea, I mean we do find it kind of funny just because it's become something he does. I must admit I'm quite sexist about drugs. When my mate does that, I pay no attention and just laugh it off thinking, there's Connor doing the bread again. But if it was one of my female friends I'd probably be concerned and really try and make her snap out of it :/

Dunno why I'm like that, but I always have been. I've never minded my male friends getting totally fucked, but have always felt uneasy when I see my female friends like that. For that reason I can understand why Shogun would be concerned about his female friend.

[Shogun]

Yea, that's the thing. Females can't handle drugs as well as males, well some can, but very few and it's just because it's a female and you might not know what might happen her.

You sorta have the mentality that your male friends can look after themselves sorta thing but it's different when it's females, don't know why but that's just the way it is.

[Nash]

That's a bad idea, your tolerance will go up and the quality of the high will go down. Keeping it to once a month is ideal.

I agree, although in some cases once a month can still be too much for some people. And to add to that, we still don't know about any long term damage that can occur from frequent use.

I've noticed in this thread alot of you should be careful, it seems to easy to go out at the weekend and pills have to be part of it. I remember years back I was exactly the same, and If you are boshing lots of other drugs as well then things can become undesirable physically and mentally.

And taking crazy amounts is one of the worst things you can do, you have to remember that MDMA and it's close relatives are active at fairly low doses, so it's possible that you can reach the full effects on a low number, not 20+ ;)

Take it easy guys! :)

[Addict]

There seems to be common usage trends among pill users. You start small, then work your way up to stupid amounts, caning every weekend, then it'll suddenly dawn on you that you can't keep it up, and you'll either curb your usage or quit using altogether. This happens so many people I know. People seem to need a period of unsustainable hedonism to make them realise the proper way to use ecstacy.

[budda]

I agree, although in some cases once a month can still be too much for some people. And to add to that, we still don't know about any long term damage that can occur from frequent use.

Definitely, Shulgin of course suggested that after the 6th use it wasnt worth doing anymore, but I wouldnt go that far.

MDMA does need to be given a lot of respect, it can be quite dangerous and as you say we really arent sure about what damage is being done.

[pill 'ed]

There seems to be common usage trends among pill users. You start small, then work your way up to stupid amounts, caning every weekend, then it'll suddenly dawn on you that you can't keep it up, and you'll either curb your usage or quit using altogether. This happens so many people I know. People seem to need a period of unsustainable hedonism to make them realise the proper way to use ecstacy.

I totally agree.

As for the whole females on drugs thing, yeah if my male mates go all wierd on pills or whatever we all just have a laugh about it but when my female mates start doing fucked up shit then it becomes scary. I also don't like watching my female friends snorting coke/speed or ripping bongs, it just doesn't seem right somehow.

[Shogun]

I agree with the whole calming down on pills but sometimes it's easier said than done, i've calmed down alot in the past while but still take them nearly every weekend, have the odd weekend here and there that i don't take them and when i do take them i don't go over the 3 markish usually.

I don't see the problem with females snorting coke and speed and the like, why doesn't it seem right pill'ed? They're entilted to as much as males if they want, i know some crazy girls who are mad into their drugs but in general not as much as males.

I know a couple of girl dealers too but it's nowhere near the amount as males.

[pill 'ed]

I don't see the problem with females snorting coke and speed and the like, why doesn't it seem right pill'ed? They're entilted to as much as males if they want, i know some crazy girls who are mad into their drugs but in general not as much as males.



I know they are entitled to as much as we are and then there's no reason why they shouldn't, alot of my female friends do all that stuff but it's just I don't know really, kind of the protective instinct in me. I can't really explain what it is and I know it would be unfair of me to say they can't do it, which is why I let them do it, I just don't like watching it.

[MancDan]

I know they are entitled to as much as we are and then there's no reason why they shouldn't, alot of my female friends do all that stuff but it's just I don't know really, kind of the protective instinct in me. I can't really explain what it is and I know it would be unfair of me to say they can't do it, which is why I let them do it, I just don't like watching it.


Girls and drugs dont go well together atall. I'd never dish out drugs to girlfreinds. I'm already 'weary' sharing out pills to lad's incase something bad happened to 'em. Couldnt hack it.

Anyone had any bad situations involving drugs? Life threatening turns for the wrost? Forgive for being a morbid cunt...

[lipsy]

fuck off! girls can take drugs if they want. we're not going to break ya know :p

[lipsy]

Girls and drugs dont go well together atall. ...
tut :p

[MancDan]

I know they are entitled to as much as we are and then there's no reason why they shouldn't

None of us are entitled! Drugs are illegal remember :)

we're not going to break ya know

Nah.
You just start crying about how hard life is and start hurling up everywhere. Seeing a girl cry is a real party killer! :P

[lipsy]

Nah.
You just start crying about how hard life is and start hurling up everywhere. Seeing a girl cry is a real party killer! :P
are you 15 or something. i remember that what girls used to do when they first started drinking.

[Nash]

are you 15 or something. i remember that what girls used to do when they first started drinking.

I was going to say the same

[MancDan]

are you 15 or something. i remember that what girls used to do when they first started drinking.

Nope 20.

Lets face it, most women stay stuck in the moody teens for their entire life anyway :)

Where abouts in from Manchester you from?

[lipsy]

Nope 20.

Lets face it, most women stay stuck in the moody teens for their entire life anyway :)

Where abouts in from Manchester you from?
you better hope i don't bump into you on new years day! you little fucker :razz:

[MancDan]

I'll be bumping everwhere, sorry if I sling an arm into your face :razz:

[lipsy]

I'll be bumping everwhere, sorry if I sling an arm into your face :razz:
i hope you chew your ugly face off :razz:

[silverhalo]

If so many pills are causing such f*cked up reactions now- aren't you guys worried what the after effects might be when you stop taking them altogether? :crazyeyes Maybe I'm a prude but the thought of losing control like that really scares the hell out of me.

[wooooooooah]

A lot of people seem to just go through the same pattern of use, as Addict said. I think the problem is that generally speaking, a lot of young people don't have much respect for the drugs and just get on self-destruct mode. When you're in the experimental phase if you're not careful your use can just spiral out of control, and then your health suffers. Shame so many people have to go crazy before reaching an equilibrium or deciding they can't handle it and quitting altogether.

[kestrel]

shouldnt worry too much one of my mates does some ridiculous things when he takes pills all started when we were all in my house on pills and he was in a bit of a messy 'gurn-sleep' suddenly said 'a pig has been mentioned' really loud. Got much worse though:
*he smoked an invisible fag complete with getting an invisible pack out of his pocket, searching for an invisible lighter and ashing into an invisible ashtray at appropriate points.
*He spent 25 minutes doing complex economic/mathmatic equations out loud
*had a conversation on an invisible phone chattin to his mate about going out for a drink.
*stood up and had a full argument with an invisible person, threatened to punch him etc.
*Thought he'd spilt an ashtray and started hoovering everything
*woke up with a bottle of poppers in his hand and took a swig thinking it was a drink (apparently fatal but he didnt seem too bothered by it)

My rule is if the eyes are closed/rolled back and the gurn is on than chattin shits not too big a problem, speacially if u can take videos on ure phone, when u start doin it when ure awake u gotta worry...........

[budda]

Anyone had any bad situations involving drugs? Life threatening turns for the wrost? Forgive for being a morbid cunt...

I was with someone who should have died after taking a pill, the doctors couldnt explain it, she had to have 4 hours of brain surgury.

[budda]

If so many pills are causing such f*cked up reactions now- aren't you guys worried what the after effects might be when you stop taking them altogether? :crazyeyes Maybe I'm a prude but the thought of losing control like that really scares the hell out of me.

Apparently not, I should point out here that not all MDMA users go this far when using the drug.

[Addict]

I was with someone who should have died after taking a pill, the doctors couldnt explain it, she had to have 4 hours of brain surgury.

did she recover ok?

[budda]

did she recover ok?

The last time I heard anything from her husband she was learning to walk again. Which is why I get pissed off when people tell me pills are safe.

[pill 'ed]

The last time I heard anything from her husband she was learning to walk again. Which is why I get pissed off when people tell me pills are safe.

Shit :( ......stuff like that does make you stop and think about what you are doing.

One of my mates, on his 20th birthday he took loads of pills (not sure the exact amount) and he was snorting loads of speed and he had a heart attack and had to be rushed into intensive care.

[budda]

Shit :( ......stuff like that does make you stop and think about what you are doing.

One of my mates, on his 20th birthday he took loads of pills (not sure the exact amount) and he was snorting loads of speed and he had a heart attack and had to be rushed into intensive care.

Exactly, MDMA is relatively safe if its used with care, but nasty things can happen with even small doses (she'd taken only one pill).

[Nash]

Do you know what the trigger for this was? Perhaps she was lacking the enzyme to break down MDMA causing serotonin syndrome?

[budda]

Do you know what the trigger for this was? Perhaps she was lacking the enzyme to break down MDMA causing serotonin syndrome?

Nah, an ordinary blood clot set off by the spike in blood pressure, scary part is its something that could happen to anyone, whether they've taken just one pill or 1000.

[briggi]

God that really is scary stuff, amazing the consequences of something that really quickly becomes total second nature on nights out. Definitely makes you think!

[Nash]

I see, I think people should take note especially as pills seem to be the most popular drug taken by users of this site.

[Nash]

Definitely makes you think!

It does for sure, but will it make users cut down or stop altogether?

[budda]

God that really is scary stuff, amazing the consequences of something that really quickly becomes total second nature on nights out. Definitely makes you think!

She'd taken pills before, so took one without really thinking about it, then when she came up her eyes just rolled back in her head and she went all limp. They were quite strong so we didnt think much of it (you are really totally incapable of making a good judgement). She laid around for most of the party and was still like it when we got a lift home about 8-9 hours later. We took her down to A&E at probably about 12 hours after it happened and the doctor there said she should have died instantly. There was a big rush around and she was taken into brain surgury instantly.

*Sorry if people have heard this before

[briggi]

Wow, I don't quite know what to say, that must've been utterly terrifying for everyone involved. I know I've been in situations with mates where we haven't known if someone has just been having a "normal" trip or is really in a bad way; like you say it's nigh-on impossible to be a caretaker or make informed decisions about stuff like that when you're buzzing off your tits yourself.

Nash - I guess the reason people can listen to stories as awful as that and not cut down or knock the pills on the head immediately is that it is hard to reconcile such stories with the fantastic time you know you've had/can have on pills. So I guess it's whether you're willing to gamble with your health/life like that, people have very different attitudes in that sense and obviously we all respect each other's decisions. Personally speaking, I haven't done pills in quite a while now, and I think I'll think twice about ever doing them again.

[pill 'ed]

I've already cut down alot since my mad days, and although I don't think I will stop completely, this has definately confirmed my decision to cut down.

[Addict]

It does for sure, but will it make users cut down or stop altogether?

I don't mean to sound insensitive but in comparison there's a small risk you can get a blood clot and die whilst on a flight, but does that mean you should stop flying?

[budda]

Wow, I don't quite know what to say, that must've been utterly terrifying for everyone involved. I know I've been in situations with mates where we haven't known if someone has just been having a "normal" trip or is really in a bad way; like you say it's nigh-on impossible to be a caretaker or make informed decisions about stuff like that when you're buzzing off your tits yourself.

It wasnt at all scary at the time, we didnt really give it much thought which looking back I feel bad about but none of us were sober enough to really think straight.

When she was rushed into brain surgury, that was scary.

ETA - this is why why I get annoyed when people on here describe how fucked up their mates get and they do nothing about it.

[budda]

I don't mean to sound insensitive but in comparison there's a small risk you can get a blood clot and die whilst on a flight, but does that mean you should stop flying?

Of course, I still maintain that MDMA is responsibly used is relatively safe.

[RiSe & ShIne]

Of course, I still maintain that MDMA is responsibly used is relatively safe.


Just to clairy for myself, basically...

...But surely that could happen regardless of how responsible you are?

[Shogun]

It just goes to show you that pills aren't really safe, but what is totally safe in this world, life is full of risks.

[budda]

Just to clairy for myself, basically...

...But surely that could happen regardless of how responsible you are?

Of course, but it is really quite unlikely so you can statistically term responsible MDMA use (I believe) as relatively safe.

[wendizzle22]

I get the feeling it has more to do with the users state of mind before dropping pills. i.e. how they're head works in their everday live's. Peopletalk to themselves subconcioulsy all the time, maybe the mind on pills doesn't realize and what they think in their head no-longer becomes hindered, it actually becomes a spoken out aloud or pyhsical thought process...

I think you're right, probably a similar process when elderly people start talking out loud in the street. Or perhaps it is just because they and people on ecstasy crave someone to talk to so talk to themselves as a last resort.

[Shogun]

Funny that about old people.

However i read somewhere that when your on pills your reduced to the mentality of a young child as a young child whenever they first begin to discover the world around them, everything new and interesting, just like on pills,everything is great and new,was proven somewhere scientifically but dont have a link.

[pill 'ed]

However i read somewhere that when your on pills your reduced to the mentality of a young child as a young child whenever they first begin to discover the world around them, everything new and interesting, just like on pills,everything is great and new,was proven somewhere scientifically but dont have a link.

I can see where they're coming from with that, interesting.

[wendizzle22]

Yeah...at the last rave I went to a fully grown bloke draped himself over a seat for at least an hour sucking his thumb with a blissful babyish look on his face.
He must've felt great but it really did look ridiculous and sickening!