View Full Version : Guys: would you take birth control pills for men?
go_away
07-12-2006, 07:44 PM
Didn't want to post this in sex or health as I wanted to see if a debate could come from this.
Male birth control pill soon a reality (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3543478/)
"For the first time, a safe, effective and reversible hormonal male contraceptive appears to be within reach. Several formulations are expected to become commercially available within the near future. Men may soon have the options of a daily pill to be taken orally, a patch or gel to be applied to the skin, an injection given every three months or an implant placed under the skin every 12 months, according to Seattle researchers.
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Between my partner and I, the responsibility of contraception lies with me, as my boyfriend does not want to take something that would put large amounts of synthetic hormones in his body. Since I have a coil, I'm not too fussed, but I could have seen it become an issue since I wouldn't go back to hormonal contraception again.
Would you be prepared to take a birth control pill if it became available? Maybe, maybe not? Not even consider it?
I'd be interested to know :D
The link dont work for me.
To my knowledge they were planning on giving a long estered testoviron (testosterone enanthanate) to men as a contraceptive. Im running 500mg every week and on now account would I have sex without a Johnny or protection. I can think of 12 people so far on the top of my head over the years I know that gave gotten women pregnant whilst being on cycle. IMO it does not provide ample protection.
AllAmericanRageJunky
07-12-2006, 08:00 PM
it depends. If there aren't any side effects then you bet your ass I would. After all, pregnancy is the STD that has ruined the more lives than any other.
go_away
07-12-2006, 08:00 PM
Did it not? It's one of MSMBC's http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3543478/ hopefully it'll work this time.
go_away
07-12-2006, 08:02 PM
If there aren't any side effects then you bet your ass I would.
Well, no medicine/drug is without side effects. What sort of side effects if any, would you be willing to put up with if you knew they would be very mild?
TBH there arnt likely to be any sides. Your literally go under HRT (hormone replacement therapy) dose. Your not given an anabolic dose, only a maintenance dose of about 150mg fortnightly. Not enough to cause any androgenic sides because its a replacement literally of what healthy males already produce. Ill have a look round for more info.
AllAmericanRageJunky
07-12-2006, 08:28 PM
Well, no medicine/drug is without side effects. What sort of side effects if any, would you be willing to put up with if you knew they would be very mild?
I can tell you what I wouldn't want to deal with. Some sort of weird hormonal imbalance, or anything that would screw up my ability to have kids later on down the road.
Side effects I'd be cool with include (but are not limited to): Making my dick massive, giving me the power of flight, giving me gigantic bicepts, giving me the ability to have wild tantric sex for 12 hours straight.
Replicant
07-12-2006, 08:33 PM
possibly, would have to wait and see how "reversable" this is, with long term use, whether it increases the risk of cancer etc.
maybe it'll give men mood swings :lol:
possibly, would have to wait and see how "reversable" this is, with long term use, whether it increases the risk of cancer etc.
maybe it'll give men mood swings :lol:
There's no link between the use of exogenous testosterone and cancer. In a small percentage of people using testosterone there is a chance of infertility.
What the Drs will fail to mention though is that the testicles will most likely cause atrophy on themselves in long term use. This can be overcome by using over drugs such as HCG.
TBH If anyones planning on going through with this, research it yourself. Alot of your GP do not treat this problem properly in terms of low sperm count.
Sofie
07-12-2006, 08:58 PM
There's no link between the use of exogenous testosterone and cancer. In a small percentage of people using testosterone there is a chance of infertility.
How small is the percentage?
How small is the percentage?
I beleive I read something like 5%. Im not 100% sure though.
Replicant
07-12-2006, 09:02 PM
There's no link between the use of exogenous testosterone and cancer. In a small percentage of people using testosterone there is a chance of infertility.
What the Drs will fail to mention though is that the testicles will most likely cause atrophy on themselves in long term use. This can be overcome by using over drugs such as HCG.
TBH If anyones planning on going through with this, research it yourself. Alot of your GP do not treat this problem properly in terms of low sperm count.
wasnt sure on the drugs front, but I had assumed there would be a risk of impotence, which is why i'll wait till it's more widely used before I'd use it.
Knee High Stripy Socks
07-12-2006, 09:29 PM
I (if I were a guy) would be wary of taking it now, as it's still in it's early stages. At least the female contraceptive pill has been around long enough to see some longer term effects. I'd mainly be worried that it would be irreversible!
Also, that guy in the article who is testing the drug says that it will stop men being trapped by women getting pregnant accidentally on purpose. Surely if they are that worried about that, they should wear a condom.
wasnt sure on the drugs front, but I had assumed there would be a risk of impotence, which is why i'll wait till it's more widely used before I'd use it.
Yes there is a risk, not a very high one at all from personal experiances. I think its wise to use it when you see it more widly used.
Depending on the length of the course, it could cause atrophy and low sperm count.
I'm more interested if they will be giving patients HCG to prevent this problem. And if they will be giving them other ancillaries like tamoxifen citrate or clomiphene(sp?) citrate to recover there natural testosterone.
Kermit
07-12-2006, 10:08 PM
Given the history of pharmaceuticals, I sure as hell won't be the first one to take this pill.
Aladdin
07-12-2006, 10:18 PM
Doesn't bother me and I'd be happy to take it.
Indrid Cold
08-12-2006, 12:01 AM
Not in such early stages, but later on sure, why not? As long as I could be certain nothing permanent came from it.
CheeseOnToast
08-12-2006, 01:06 AM
In later stages hell yes I'd take it, I'd like knowing that the bases are covered.
HIT - This has nothing to do with the test-related MBC mainly for reasons you stated yourself.
In later stages hell yes I'd take it, I'd like knowing that the bases are covered.
HIT - This has nothing to do with the test-related MBC mainly for reasons you stated yourself.
What do you mean? exogenouse test is exogenouse test.
briggi
08-12-2006, 09:20 AM
Also, that guy in the article who is testing the drug says that it will stop men being trapped by women getting pregnant accidentally on purpose. Surely if they are that worried about that, they should wear a condom.
Aha. I couldn't get the link to work but I suspected there would be mention of this oh-so-common plight of the "trapped" man. Boo fucking hoo.
I don't think many men I've slept with would [have] be keen to commit to taking something like this, and to be honest I couldn't blame or fault them as I'm pretty adverse to hormonal contraceptives myself. However, it would be interesting and refreshing to see a little more balance brought back into the issue of responsibility for contraception... and if it actually changed anything in terms of the amount of unwanted pregnancies etc.
RubberSkin
08-12-2006, 10:06 AM
If i was straight, then yes i'd take it.
Man Of Kent
08-12-2006, 10:19 AM
Have I missed something? Surely the most important two questions haven't been asked...
Girls: Would you trust a man who said he was on the pill?
All: Fine for birth control, but how is this going to stop the spread of STIs which is actually a bigger threat.
sophia
08-12-2006, 10:29 AM
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Life of Kate
08-12-2006, 10:35 AM
Have I missed something? Surely the most important two questions haven't been asked...
Girls: Would you trust a man who said he was on the pill?
All: Fine for birth control, but how is this going to stop the spread of STIs which is actually a bigger threat.
Mmm, yes, I thought about those two things too. I don't really feel I can answer the first question properly... I am highly unlikely to sleep with someone I'm not in a relationship with/someone I really really trust, so by that logic, of course I would trust him to take it.
However, I do worry about situations arising from one-night-stands, especially for younger women, where young men might say they are on 'the pill' in an avoidance of having to wear a condom and then bugger off into the night leaving her with a baby and a nasty STI.
There should definitely be a much greater push on barrier methods of contraception for young people.
Have I missed something? Surely the most important two questions haven't been asked...
Girls: Would you trust a man who said he was on the pill?
All: Fine for birth control, but how is this going to stop the spread of STIs which is actually a bigger threat.
I would trust a man as much as a women. Which I dont trust women that say they are on the pill unless I personally know them therefore know they are.
Its actually encouraging people to stop using condoms, in a few years condoms may be a thing of the past, who knows?
Using a condom is better to be safe than sorry. From what I have seen some of the most beautiful women that you would say were clean and look after themselves, usually in some cases have sti's.
Man Of Kent
08-12-2006, 11:06 AM
Its actually encouraging people to stop using condoms, in a few years condoms may be a thing of the past, who knows?
That's the problem.
People see birth control as the important part, it isn't. I've seen too many people in "trusting" relationships end up with an STI because either their partner wasn't an honest as they thought, or one of the partner's previous relationships wasn't...
wheresmyplacebo
08-12-2006, 05:13 PM
there is a form of birth control for men taken for sex already, it's called a johnny ;)
so its ayes for me
Randomgirl
09-12-2006, 10:57 PM
Have I missed something? Surely the most important two questions haven't been asked...
Girls: Would you trust a man who said he was on the pill?
Exactly what I was thinking.
I think that as the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are so much more an issue for the female that I wouldn't want to give my bf the sole responsibility for it. But maybe in addition to me being on the pill it would be good.
Acrobat
09-12-2006, 11:41 PM
Have I missed something? Surely the most important two questions haven't been asked...
Girls: Would you trust a man who said he was on the pill?
All: Fine for birth control, but how is this going to stop the spread of STIs which is actually a bigger threat.
I certainly wouldn't. I firmly believe that the responsibility for birth control and contraception does lie with each individual, and in my case I would want to be risking it therefore I would rather continue with my hormonal contraception and/or use a condom.
I too would be concerned about STIs. If anything, it would aggravate the situation.
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 10:51 AM
So to add to the "I'm allergic to condoms," "You can't get pregnant your first time," and "I'll pull out in time," you'll get teenage girls now hearing the "I'm on the pill" line. :thumb:
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 10:59 AM
So to add to the "I'm allergic to condoms," "You can't get pregnant your first time," and "I'll pull out in time," you'll get teenage girls now hearing the "I'm on the pill" line. :thumb:
Can we be slightly fair and acknowledge that some people are allergic to most condoms and it can be damn difficult to get ones that they are not allergic to in some places please?
I'd have to say though, the only guy I'd trust to use a male pill as contraception was one that I'm in a long term committed relationship with and I trust 100% (and have complete faith in his organisational talents...), for me that handily negates the STI problem.
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 11:00 AM
Other, because I'm a lass!
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 11:14 AM
Can we be slightly fair and acknowledge that some people are allergic to most condoms and it can be damn difficult to get ones that they are not allergic to in some places please?
And can we acknowledge that anyone that uses that fact as an excuse to have unprotected sex is irresponsible?
The best one is "condoms are to small for me". I have heard a few men say that to women in the past.
Have anyone ever filled a johnny up with water before?
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 11:29 AM
And can we acknowledge that anyone that uses that fact as an excuse to have unprotected sex is irresponsible?
I totally agree with you that it is not a good reason to have unprotected sex unless you have covered both the contraception and the STI issues from another anngle.
It really does my head in though when people imply that anyone who says they are allergic to condoms is lying, I am, as was my ex whom I was with for 2 years, and we had so many problems you would not believe.
The best one is "condoms are to small for me". I have heard a few men say that to women in the past.
Have anyone ever filled a johnny up with water before?
And have you ever tried getting a regular one onto someone who is particularly well endowed? It's a darn site more tricky that filling one with water. ;)
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 11:31 AM
The best one is "condoms are to small for me". I have heard a few men say that to women in the past.
How? Do you hang out in couples bedrooms or something? :p
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 11:33 AM
^^ My thought precisely!
How? Do you hang out in couples bedrooms or something? :p
No I go out with mates. Its pub banta.
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 11:37 AM
You're mates discuss with women they are likely to be sleeping with their plans for contraception as part of pub banter? Ok then.
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 11:37 AM
And have you ever tried getting a regular one onto someone who is particularly well endowed? It's a darn site more tricky that filling one with water. ;)
I can't say I have.....I mean yeah.....me...obviously. :blush:
^^ My thought precisely!
Of course you were.
You're mates discuss with women they are likely to be sleeping with their plans for contraception as part of pub banter? Ok then.
How to explain. :chin:
Well you see when a man meets a women in a club, the girl will ask the man if he has a condom, the man will say no and come out with an excuse. Its simple really. When your old enough to get in clubs perhaps you will know.
I totally agree with you that it is not a good reason to have unprotected sex unless you have covered both the contraception and the STI issues from another anngle.
It really does my head in though when people imply that anyone who says they are allergic to condoms is lying, I am, as was my ex whom I was with for 2 years, and we had so many problems you would not believe.
And have you ever tried getting a regular one onto someone who is particularly well endowed? It's a darn site more tricky that filling one with water. ;)
Well considering a condom can hold a ltr of water, either you were dreaming but thats enougth to stretch.
lea_uk
10-12-2006, 11:49 AM
How to explain. :chin:
Well you see when a man meets a women in a club, the girl will ask the man if he has a condom, the man will say no and come out with an excuse. Its simple really. When your old enough to get in clubs perhaps you will know.
There's no need to be so patronising :rolleyes:
There's no need to be so patronising :rolleyes:
Patronising? I thought the question I was answering was patronising.
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 11:53 AM
How to explain. :chin:
Well you see when a man meets a women in a club, the girl will ask the man if he has a condom, the man will say no and come out with an excuse. Its simple really. When your old enough to get in clubs perhaps you will know.
What the fuck? I've never heard anyone say that in the club. And if that conversation did happen, the next line would blatantly be "well go to the toilets and buy a pack then."
What the fuck? I've never heard anyone say that in the club. And if that conversation did happen, the next line would blatantly be "well go to the toilets and buy a pack then."
Well I have, on number of occasions.
Not everyman wants to use a condom. So they usually find some excuse not to. Im probably the only one of my mates that would always use a condom.
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 11:58 AM
Nah I've never heard that said in a club, or in a pub as part of banter (which was what you orginally said).
And just FYI I am plenty old enough to be in clubs, and to have had a boyfriend (albeit a short lived one) who was so well endowed we had real issues with any thing other than XL. Yeah they stretch fine when you fill them with water, and you can tie a knot around the top to make it stay in, a little difficult when you're trying to use them for their intended purpose! The weight of the water holds the sides down and stops them recoiling, doesn't work quite so well on an erect penis.
Possible, but quite a challenge and requires great care once in use, otherwise can have a nasty tendancy to roll back up again.
The sex education officer in our school demonstrated on a fuck of dildo, she had no problem getting one on.
I supose you have to be skilled in doing so, so to speak.
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 12:02 PM
Possible, but quite a challenge and requires great care once in use, otherwise can have a nasty tendancy to roll back up again.
Tie an elastic band around the end? Oh, I know. One of those tie wraps you get for holding electrical wires together.
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 12:05 PM
The sex education officer in our school demonstrated on a fuck of dildo, she had no problem getting one on.
I supose you have to be skilled in doing so, so to speak.
Yeah but she didn't have to use it after that (did she?) It's easy-ish to put it on, but harder to get it to stay on. That's what she's saying.
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 12:09 PM
Yeah but she didn't have to use it after that (did she?) It's easy-ish to put it on, but harder to get it to stay on. That's what she's saying.
Although it would have been very funny to see her try!
If I ever get back together with him I will have to remember to raid my pockets for cable ties before anything gets too exciting. :naughty:
Yeah but she didn't have to use it after that (did she?) It's easy-ish to put it on, but harder to get it to stay on. That's what she's saying.
I think not having a large penis would make it harder to stay on.
As an example, what would fit and stay on better, a loose fitted glove or a tight fitted glove.
Scary Monster
10-12-2006, 12:13 PM
I think not having a large penis would make it harder to stay on
I've found that average is easiest, if it's really really small, to the extent that the condom is baggy then it really doesn't stay on very well, and if it's particularly large the the tension in the material tends towards the condom recoiling.
We are talking pretty big here though, big enough to make you think twice about doing it at all.
BTW does anyone think adverts for condoms should be shown earlier? Not as in 3pm but say 7-8pm. I have only seen them at about 11pm, its not like adults are the only ones having sex, teens are as well. Just my opinion.
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 12:40 PM
BTW does anyone think adverts for condoms should be shown earlier? Not as in 3pm but say 7-8pm. I have only seen them at about 11pm, its not like adults are the only ones having sex, teens are as well. Just my opinion.
If they're watching a programme where people have sex (even off screen) like Corrie or Hollyoaks, then they should be showing condom adverts in the breaks. If parents don't want them to know about 'that sort of thing' then they wouldn't let them watch the programme to start with.
I think one of the main problems with the UK is that sex has become ever more accessible and common, (which is great since it means that people are having better sex lives and are less afraid to talk about any problems), but it hasn't gone hand-in-hand with proper sex education like it has in most European countries. And that's why we're so far behind all of them in terms of dealing with teenage pregnancies and things.
If they're watching a programme where people have sex (even off screen) like Corrie or Hollyoaks, then they should be showing condom adverts in the breaks. If parents don't want them to know about 'that sort of thing' then they wouldn't let them watch the programme to start with.
I think one of the main problems with the UK is that sex has become ever more accessible and common, (which is great since it means that people are having better sex lives and are less afraid to talk about any problems), but it hasn't gone hand-in-hand with proper sex education like it has in most European countries. And that's why we're so far behind all of them in terms of dealing with teenage pregnancies and things.
I dont really watch soaps now, when there having sex do they talk about using protection? Or do they just do it? If they dont, perhaps they should talk about using condoms over the pill.
I'm With Stupid
10-12-2006, 01:00 PM
I dont really watch soaps now, when there having sex do they talk about using protection? Or do they just do it? If they dont, perhaps they should talk about using condoms over the pill.
They always mention condoms I think. Just to be responsible I guess. Like the fact that no-one smokes in soaps so they can appear responsible. Things like Friends always mentioned condoms. But I don't like this whole using the programme itself to get a message across. Showing characters using a condom (when in reality, some would be on the pill or whatever) just for the sake of it does nothing to answer young people's questions. I think condom adverts are aimed at people who already know what they're doing, and just need reminding of the reasons and so on.
The condom adverts I see just say remember to use a condom, when the woman and man are in a club. Perhaps advertise having more std problems.
Makoto
10-12-2006, 01:28 PM
Getting a woman preggers is the least of my worries, I'm more concerned about STD's.
But in answer to your question, no I wouldn't take one.
Kermit
10-12-2006, 01:43 PM
STDs are a problem if you're not in a stable relationship, but, like the female pill, you should be using condoms unless you are in one.
If it was proven to be safe I would probably use one, as a backup for the Mirena, and I'm sure some of my married friends would too.
This to me seems a better option for MBC.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15937201/wid/11915773?GT1=8717
Its a non hormonal MBC that causes the sensation of an orgasm but without the cum.
This or anything is far more effective than exogenous testosterone. IMO
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