Good luck Holland

[godscop]

Beat the cockney bastards and send them back home on a downer.

Hardcore porn, coffe shops, legalised protitution :thumb:

[I'm With Stupid]

Hmm, for some reason I thought you'd be English being a Man Utd fan and all. :chin: Now I see where I went wrong.

I can't see us winning anything at the moment to be fair, but it'll be nice to see Micah Richards show Gary Neville how it's really done. :thumb:

[godscop]

Oh I am English but I don't support them, club before country.

[LuckyStrike]

you really are a fucking idiot aint ya.

of course club before country, but that doesnt mean you support whoever your country is playing.

get it together man!!

hope england win, doubt i'll be watching tho.

[Cazzoo]

Ha, i'm actually gonna be watching it in Holland tonight... it will be an experience... :p

[Lickalotapuss]

you really are a fucking idiot aint ya.

of course club before country, but that doesnt mean you support whoever your country is playing.

get it together man!!

:thumb: Saved me saying it again

I will definately be watching it but it will probably be a let-down as usual.
Bit gutted Aaron Lennons pulled out of the squad because I think he might have got a starting place and he's exciting to watch (another product of the Leeds youth we couldn't keep hold of :( )

I'd be tempted with a full squad to drop Lampard, don't get me wrong I think he's a quality player but hes never really done it 4 england in my eyes, get Gerrard back in the centre and have Lennon out wide.

[godscop]

you really are a fucking idiot aint ya.

of course club before country, but that doesnt mean you support whoever your country is playing.

get it together man!!

hope england win, doubt i'll be watching tho.


Not when the country and its fans loathe the club. International football is for the small town inbreds who never get a chance to see top class football.

They won't tonight either what the fuck are they doing playing friendlys at this time of year?

[LuckyStrike]

Not when the country and its fans loathe the club. International football is for the small town inbreds who never get a chance to see top class football.

They won't tonight either what the fuck are they doing playing friendlys at this time of year?

hahah you are a joke man, its only a few months back that you were ranting on about how much you despised man utd now the glaziers had taken over and you were never gonna watch em again and that you were a FC united fan.

now Man Utd seem to be doing well you seem to have jumped back on the man utd band wagon, sort it out pal. you cant have it both ways.

as for people hating man utd...whats that gotta do with the price of fish! its always been like that, and im sure you'll find lots of man utd supporters following England.

and as for friendlies this time of year, maybe they need the match practice before the next qualifiers?? bloody hell.

[Skive]

International football is for the small town inbreds who never get a chance to see top class football.

Are you some sort of cunt?

[spartaalbion]

Just ignore him, too make a post like this is clearly with the sole intention of antagonising people.

[Addict]

I think he's referring to the fact that England fans have a tendency to sing silly chants like "Stand up if you hate Man U" and also have a history of slinging muck at our players (David Beckham, C. Ronaldo) and using these players as scapegoats when they fuck up in tournaments.

[Skive]

using these players as scapegoats when they fuck up in tournaments.

You mean like when Beckham got sent of against the Argies and Rooney against the Portugese?

[godscop]

hahah you are a joke man, its only a few months back that you were ranting on about how much you despised man utd now the glaziers had taken over and you were never gonna watch em again and that you were a FC united fan.

I really don't know where this has come from, I never said I hated United, I am a United fanatic and that is never going to change. Not going to OT is a boycott of the Glazers.

now Man Utd seem to be doing well you seem to have jumped back on the man utd band wagon, sort it out pal. you cant have it both ways

I wondered how long it was going to take :rolleyes:

We're not exactly back to winning ways anyway its only November for fuck sake.

im sure you'll find lots of man utd supporters following England

Yes a lot do, but as we've got the biggest support in the country we've also got the largest amount of wankers.

Like the 1st teams going to get any decent amount of match practice, they'll be 2736565834 substitutions at half time.

And yes, I am a cunt.

[Addict]

You mean like when Beckham got sent of against the Argies and Rooney against the Portugese?

Yea, Beckham getting sent off wasn't why England didn't win the 1998 world cup. They didn't win it because they weren't the best team. Obviously the only course of action then was to burn effigies of David Beckham and wish AIDS on his children. :rolleyes:

And I'm sure the Rooney/Ronaldo thing is still pretty fresh in people's minds. Sven's tactical ineptness and collective shite performances were why they didn't win this year, not because some Portugese player complained to the referee about his opponent stamping on his teammate.

[godscop]

And I'm sure the Rooney/Ronaldo thing is still pretty fresh in people's minds. Sven's tactical ineptness and collective shite performances were why they didn't win this year, not because some Portugese player complained to the referee about his opponent stamping on his teammate.

Let them keep giving Ronnie stick, hes been great so far this season.

[Skive]

They didn't win it because they weren't the best team.

And the fact that we were a man down did affect that? Come on. They wouydl have got grief whatever team they played for.
I don't blame them soley for us losing those games anyway and I'm pretty sure most England fans don't either.

I think Godscop's opinion on people who support their local small town clubs speaks volumes. Is the fact he gets a chance to see 'top class' football the only reason why he's a Man U supporter?

[LuckyStrike]

I think Godscop's opinion on people who support their local small town clubs speaks volumes. Is the fact he gets a chance to see 'top class' football the only reason why he's a Man U supporter?

and the fact that he refuses to go to old trafford? haha
so infact everyone who watches the games on sky probably sees as much top flight footy as he.

[godscop]

United IS my local club. I didn't say anything about people supporting small clubs I was talking about supporting ingerlund.

Been going to OT since I was a nipper until this season, I don't have to justify my support to any of you.

[Lickalotapuss]

Let them keep giving Ronnie stick, hes been great so far this season.
Ronnie?? Pet names now, you must have it bad :naughty: :p

[LuckyStrike]

Been going to OT since I was a nipper until this season, I don't have to justify my support to any of you.

true, we're trying to get to the bottom of your weird ideals and why you think its good to slag the england team off.

when the time comes for england to win the world cup again i hope you are sat indoors alone with a brew and a custard cream watching the world go by.

[godscop]

Ronnie?? Pet names now, you must have it bad :naughty: :p

:D Not with all that gel and blonde bits in his hair, I prefer a real man, Vidic.

[Skive]

I didn't say anything about people supporting small clubs I was talking about supporting ingerlund.

Care to explain this ridiculous comment then?

International football is for the small town inbreds who never get a chance to see top class football.

[godscop]

true, we're trying to get to the bottom of your weird ideals and why you think its good to slag the england team off.

when the time comes for england to win the world cup again i hope you are sat indoors alone with a brew and a custard cream watching the world go by.

Beckham '98
P. Neville '00
FA treatment of Cantona in '95
FA forcing us to not defend the cup
FA in general
United players reguarly jeered at England games in the past
It winds ABUs up

I do watch the World Cup, see the country get all giddy then laugh as they get knocked out blaming everyone else.

[godscop]

Care to explain this ridiculous comment then?

Majority of people at England games support div2/3 clubs far as I can see, maybe I was being a bit harsh but as I see it the more successful a club is the less its fans care about internationals.

[Addict]

And the fact that we were a man down did affect that? Come on. They wouydl have got grief whatever team they played for.
I don't blame them soley for us losing those games anyway and I'm pretty sure most England fans don't either.

I'm sure you don't blame them, but alot of the smallminded wankerish fans definitely did.

You don't go to the trouble of making full scale Beckhams to burn outside your pub, unless you specifically blame him for your team's failing, likewise Ronaldo. England fans always look for a scapegoat, and the fact these players played for United makes them an easy target for their frustration and hate.

[spartaalbion]

Beckham '98
P. Neville '00
FA treatment of Cantona in '95
FA forcing us to not defend the cup
FA in general
United players reguarly jeered at England games in the past
It winds ABUs up

I do watch the World Cup, see the country get all giddy then laugh as they get knocked out blaming everyone else.

So The f.a over reacted when Cantona jumped into the crowd and attacked a supporter? Irrespective of the abuse he was subjected him too?

[LuckyStrike]

im sure some of the views of united fans in this thread are obviously helping them to shift the reputation for being wankers.....

eta: United fans are well up themselves, i dont like united, but to be fair there are about 5 other clubs i hate a lot more than them...so dont big yourselves up. im sure its same for other clubs as well.

[HIT]

International football is for the small town inbreds who never get a chance to see top class football.
Hmm, but it has nothing to do with being English perhaps. :chin:

This must be like algebra for you, being/living/born in England you do tend to support you country regardless of where you live. :yeees:

[Addict]

im sure some of the views of united fans in this thread are obviously helping them to shift the reputation for being wankers.....

I hope you're not bundling me into that. I was merely pointing out why some English United fans don't affiliate themselves with the England team.

[LuckyStrike]

I hope you're not bundling me into that. I was merely pointing out why some English United fans don't affiliate themselves with the England team.

to be honest, i was generalising. i think that your oppinions are a lot more thought out and honest than others.

so no, i wasnt including you in my rash comment.

however, i do feel that man utd fans in general do have a bit of a chip on their shoulder about people hating them, where most people couldnt give a crap.

[Man Of Kent]

I will support England because Iam English, but I would object to being associated with "fans" who have abused the likes of the Neville brothers and Beckham whilst they we wearing the three lions, on the basis that they are United players.

[lea_uk]

I will support England because Iam English, but I would object to being associated with "fans" who have abused the likes of the Neville brothers and Beckham whilst they we wearing the three lions, on the basis that they are United players.
:yes:

[I'm With Stupid]

I will support England because Iam English, but I would object to being associated with "fans" who have abused the likes of the Neville brothers and Beckham whilst they we wearing the three lions, on the basis that they are United players.
Yeah, and I'd object to being associated with "fans" who booed Peter Crouch and Owen Hargreaves when they came on too. It's not exclusive to Utd players you know.

[Man Of Kent]

There is a difference bwteen being booed because they are seen as not performing than because of which club they play for. Beckham faced abuse about his wife and children even on those occasions where he played relaly well.

That said, I'd agree with the sentiment.

[Nash]

1-1 in the end...

Pretty shit game, when are England ever going to be able to play like a true World Class side?

[Skive]

It was pretty terrible entertainment wise.

Coupe of things to be happy about though. Richards and both Coles were excellent. Shit goal we conceded though.

[Aladdin]

So what came first: Man U fans signing anti-England songs at Premiership games or England fans signing anti Man U songs/abusing Man U players at international games?

[Skive]

I don't hold anything against any England player simply because of the club they play for, yet I get reffered to as an small town inbred wanker for supporting England. Fucking lovely that is.

[Bri-namite]

What was the fucking point in that?

Be as well just getting the squad together for a training camp for a few days, I'd have been massively pissed off if I paid good money to watch that shit.

Holland clearly couldn't be arsed, so why even bother?

[Fiend_85]

Playing a match is always better than spending a weekend doing drills.

[Lickalotapuss]

Thought it was a pretty dire game, saying that though in stages England actually looked like a good side which I haven't seen in a long while.

Andy Johnson was poor but that was because of where he was playing, I don't understand it. He doesn't know how to play as a winger because hes an out and out striker, you could tell with his movement off the ball when attacking and defending he didn't really know what to do and wasn't able to get in any positions that earned him a call-up and a starting place in the team.

We'd all like to see Rooney in the middle but not in a 4-3-3 for me, he drops deep which is where he is at his most dangerous but in a 4-3-3 that leaves no-one leading the front line. IF we play 4-3-3 Rooney has to be used as one of the wingers and given a bit of a license to roam. We looked a lot better when Johnson went through the middle and Rooney and Cole were the wingers, and this is when I saw some good football which is an unusual sight when watching England.

Last 3 games we've had 3 different formations, its nice to be versatile but we need a system that we'll play the majority of the time that works and gets us through the qualifying for the Euro's.

[godscop]

So what came first: Man U fans signing anti-England songs at Premiership games or England fans signing anti Man U songs/abusing Man U players at international games?

It was Englands fans who started it, this has only been a problem last 15 years or so, up until Italia 90 a big group of United fans followed England home and away.

I blame the advent of the Premiership, a load of johnny come latelys jumping on the ABU bandwagon. I probably shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush, but thats life.

[Addict]

Similar sort of thing happened in Northern Ireland where fans would chant anti-Celtic songs and sing chants with sectarian undertones.

Of course, this drove away many Catholic fans but steps have been taken to eradicate it and you don't hear any sectarian chants now, and they've all been replaced by proper (funny) chants that support the team. And for the first time in ages the team are playing well again and alot of Catholics in Northern Ireland are happy to see Northern Ireland do well.

[Renzo]

Even as a Wales fan i have to say the original posters comments are ridiculous. Of course its probably more likely that Cardiff City will get anywhere major in the near future but i still like to see Wales doing well and try to watch the games when i can. Went to Wales v Brazil too. That was fun.

[Kermit]

International football is for the small town inbreds who never get a chance to see top class football.

And you wonder why the whole of the Football League despises Manchester United?

There's nothing like justifying a stereotype, is there?

So much for the "real football" values that FC United try to claim :rolleyes:

Ronaldo gets stick because he's a cheating cunt who would benefit immensely from a severe Keane-style booting. People despised him long before he cheated against England- he was hated in his Sporting days, too. That's because he makes Robert Pires look like a saint.

Old Trafford was full of Manchester United scum booing Crouch because of who he played for, so its a bit rich to see the red filth climbing on the moral high horse. For the record, I'll cheer on anyone in the England shirt, even if I think that my cat could do a better job (witness Richardson).

As for the game, well, it proves yet again that McLaren should get his P45 with immediate effect. The goal conceded was a disgrace, but it goes to show just how lazy Carrick and Lampard are. All Lampard shows for England is how good Makelele and Essien are.

[I'm With Stupid]

I missed the first half, but from the end of match interview, I hope we were fucking world beaters because we did fuck all in the second half. Holland were there for the taking, and we created about 3 chances in the half, sat back, desperately trying to cling on to our 1-0 lead. It's a friendly for fuck sake, have a bit of adventure. I don't see what's changed since Sven tbh.

Anyway, my analysis. Andy Johnson and Wayne Rooney should've switched roles. Johnson is far better in the middle, and Wayne Rooney and Joe Cole are excellent at floating around behind him. And since Holland were content to stroll around, the full backs should've pushed forward and provided the width (well either that or play 4-4-2 with Gerrard on the right Cole on the left, and see if the strike partnership would actually work, but that's far too complicated, obviously). But generally, the only time I saw us play half decent was after the goal. Oh and we also need to sort out our defending of set pieces, because that goal was shocking.

On the positive, Micah Richards was excellent against arguably the best left winger around, (admittedly only he turned up for Holland) and he showed what he can do when he went forward. Can definitely be the long term successor to Gary Neville if he keeps going as he is.

And on a personal note, it was nice to see two Man City academy products on the pitch by the end of the game. It's a long time since we've been able to say that. I hope they'll be the first of many.