Shall I try drugs? [Archive] - TheSite.org boards

Skive

27-10-2006, 02:07 AM

is there something amazing I'm missing?

In all honesty I would have to say yes, but that's only because drugs have generally been 'amazing' for me. There's a lot of poeple out there that havn't had such a good time.

As for whether you shoudl take them? It's not a question we can answer, it's only something you can do. Sometimes I'd love to be able to tell people to go out and try ecstasy or shrooms etc, but it would be irresponsible because at the end of the day there is a certain amount of risk (however small), in taking these substances. I don't want to put you off because I have no regrets, but I have to point out there are many different drugs with many different effects, and not all of them positive.

What drugs were you thinking of?

27-10-2006, 02:18 AM

What drugs were you thinking of?

I'm not really - just asking .. I know nothing about drugs and plus I reckon I'd probabaly build up an instant immunity to anything I take - I remember the first time I had St John's Wort - felt very calm, even tried to make myself mad and couldn't - the 2nd time had no effect .. Same with Alcohol, the first time I had Babycham I remember telling my parents "I'm flying" when al I was doing was laying onthe bed ... if I have Alcohol now I can feel the physical effects of it (i.e. harder to control your movements) but my behaviour doesn't change at all.

TBH my idea of a perfect drug looks like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StJohnTrunkBay.jpg/800px-StJohnTrunkBay.jpg

Can drugs make you feel like you're in a place like that? .. I don't know since I've never tried ...

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 02:24 AM

no it's a slippery slope. you'll have to hang around with some waste people to get hold of any drugs

27-10-2006, 02:27 AM

Do drugs help you to see colours better and details you normally miss in normal life?

or is that something they just say in movies?

I remember the very first time I wore contact lenses instead of glasses, was a mind opening experience.. for the first time I noticed the colours and details of things like leaves on a tree that I'd never been able to see before with just glasses.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 02:33 AM

well i've done cannabis, acid, coke, crack and e/mdma. can't say they've ever affected my colour perception. acid was weak and didn't make me feel anything (despite knocking back 3 tabs).

ug god please don't do this, it's the worst thing any body can do to their status in the world.

Skive

27-10-2006, 02:34 AM

I'm not really - just asking .. I know nothing about drugs and plus I reckon I'd probabaly build up an instant immunity to anything I take -

You build up tolerance to different drugs in different ways, but there arn't any common illegal drugs I can think of where tolerence builds up that quichly.

I remember the first time I had St John's Wort - felt very calm, even tried to make myself mad and couldn't - the 2nd time had no effect ..

Most illegal drugs will have much more noticable effects than St Johns Wort.
Though intrestingly I've found the first time I took ecstasy I felt very little effect - even though the pills I took were decent. I think I was too aprehensive.

TBH my idea of a perfect drug looks like this

Can drugs make you feel like you're in a place like that? .. I don't know since I've never tried ...

What would a place like that make you feel? Different drugs have very different effects.

For instance... ecstasy.
For vast majority of people ecstasy makes them feel very cozy, very content and in touch with their friends and surroundings. The phrase 'love drug' wasn't attatched to ecstasy for no reason. Of course the day after you can feel quite the oposite - tired, edgy and grumpy.

You should watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt6PHhOZ32g

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 02:34 AM

you sound like a popular bloke it'd be a shame to recluse into a small group of stay-in stonners.

Teh_Gerbil

27-10-2006, 02:41 AM

It's your choice.

Some people like some drugs, others don't. It all depends of preferenace. Try a few if you WANT, don't feel pressured into it.

It does allow you to percieve things in whole new ways. It does change your thinking drastically.

Nearly everyone likes smoking pot though, it's fun. Like everything - moderation is the key.

Don't touch smack though, k?

Skive

27-10-2006, 02:43 AM

no it's a slippery slope. you'll have to hang around with some waste people to get hold of any drugs

Don't be ridiculous.

well i've done cannabis, acid, coke, crack and e/mdma. can't say they've ever affected my colour perception. acid was weak and didn't make me feel anything (despite knocking back 3 tabs).

Well you didn't do acid then. :yeees:

ug god please don't do this, it's the worst thing any body can do to their status in the world.

Their status? What are you on about.

you sound like a popular bloke it'd be a shame to recluse into a small group of stay-in stonners.

This comign from somebody who want to try Meth, despite the fact he's got mental health issues. If you've got nothing constructive or helpful to say I suggest you get lost.

Do drugs help you to see colours better and details you normally miss in normal life?

Some certainly do. Drugs like Shrooms and LSD certainly affect your vision, though it's not just a matter of simply improving it. They alter it. Details you normally wouldn't notice can appear more vivid, but things can also apear distorted.

Ecstasy and speed can enhance your perception of music, touch and smell, and also alter your vision.

It's not like they give you super human senses though.

I'm With Stupid

27-10-2006, 02:45 AM

Just out of interest, what would you say the most 'moral' drugs are? In the sense of which drugs are least likely to have involved people having the shit kicked out of them to get to you?

Skive

27-10-2006, 02:47 AM

Nearly everyone likes smoking pot though, it's fun.

They don't though, and smoking pot isn't always fun. I don't like it anymore.

I've seen many people develop anxiety disorders, though that is from smoking it on a regualr basis. 10 years ago almost all my mates smoked it, now I'd say less than 20% do.

Skive

27-10-2006, 02:50 AM

Just out of interest, what would you say the most 'moral' drugs are? In the sense of which drugs are least likely to have involved people having the shit kicked out of them to get to you?

The worst would have to be coke and heroin, though if your buying drugs from a dealer then there's always a chance the money's going to end up in the hands of organised crime.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 03:17 AM

Their status? What are you on about.

yes ppl don't look at you the same, we wont have any body whos smoked even dope in our house in case they steal stuff, ANYTHING, irons, dvds. their status that's right.

This comign from somebody who want to try Meth, despite the fact he's got mental health issues.

yeah you're not proving anything.
you're demonstrating ignorance to the realities of the human condition. everybody who believed that ppl get mental health problems hasn't really understood life themselves. i know i've dealt with patients, staff, doctors and other pp. there aint no such thing and if you were a better person you could feel that there is no such thing as scitzo etc. you know what your brain does and you don't ask someone to offer insight into the workings of your brain unless it's been phsyically damaged. stresses and strains are not to be tollerated. this is modern civilised society at it's nicest and unrealistically compasionate i hate it.

drugs alter your senses and your brain processes this new information giving you the high? right? or at least the best drugs would.

Nash

27-10-2006, 03:31 AM

They don't though, and smoking pot isn't always fun. I don't like it anymore.

I've seen many people develop anxiety disorders, though that is from smoking it on a regualr basis. 10 years ago almost all my mates smoked it, now I'd say less than 20% do.

I agree, bad things started to happen after a couple of years smoking weed. It used to be my favourite and now is probably my least. I never thought that would be possible.

Things are so much clearer without weed!

Skive

27-10-2006, 03:31 AM

yes ppl don't look at you the same, we wont have any body whos smoked even dope in our house in case they steal stuff, ANYTHING, irons, dvds. their status that's right.

Surely that says more about you then it does about them?

Takign drugs doesn't make you a 'bad person'. Chemicals are chemicals they're neither bad or good.

yeah you're not proving anything.
you're demonstrating ignorance to the realities of the human condition. everybody who believed that ppl get mental health problems hasn't really understood life themselves. i know i've dealt with patients, staff, doctors and other pp. there aint no such thing and if you were a better person you could feel that there is no such thing as scitzo etc. you know what your brain does and you don't ask someone to offer insight into the workings of your brain unless it's been phsyically damaged. stresses and strains are not to be tollerated. this is modern civilised society at it's nicest and unrealistically compasionate i hate it.

So there's no such thing as mental illness?

drugs alter your senses and your brain processes this new information giving you the high? right? or at least the best drugs would.

eh?
Drugs alter you body's chemistry, with differnet drugs giving you different effects.

Nash

27-10-2006, 03:34 AM

yes ppl don't look at you the same, we wont have any body whos smoked even dope in our house in case they steal stuff, ANYTHING, irons, dvds. their status that's right.

yeah you're not proving anything.
you're demonstrating ignorance to the realities of the human condition. everybody who believed that ppl get mental health problems hasn't really understood life themselves. i know i've dealt with patients, staff, doctors and other pp. there aint no such thing and if you were a better person you could feel that there is no such thing as scitzo etc. you know what your brain does and you don't ask someone to offer insight into the workings of your brain unless it's been phsyically damaged. stresses and strains are not to be tollerated. this is modern civilised society at it's nicest and unrealistically compasionate i hate it.

drugs alter your senses and your brain processes this new information giving you the high? right? or at least the best drugs would.

You must be in denial. Mental health problems are very very real.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 03:38 AM

Surely that says more about you then it does about them?

yes that i'm english and i value the contents of my castle and the value of my property.

So there's no such thing as mental illness?

nope only people who choose to verbalise 'experiences' to meet their ends - unemployment, sympathy, easy life. real mental problems include epilepsy, motor neurone disease, some personality disorders - anorexia. whoever diagnosed and coined the term kleptomania brought new lows to human kind. some ppl get unrealistically compansionate towards other ppl who need to just pull their fcking socks up. and make real changes in their lives and relationships. like taking drugs would be a real change. you'll meet new ppl, and if you like those ppl then you're life will change and you wont go anywhere near the mental lot. drugs don't cause mental health problems, people do.

Replicant

27-10-2006, 03:40 AM

if you're happy enough without them, what's the point? :)

Skive

27-10-2006, 03:43 AM

yes that i'm english and i value the contents of my castle and the value of my property.

It says to me that you are verry narrowminded and quite ridiculous. You won't let anybody in your house if they've ever smoked pot? :lol:

As a drug user are you a thief?

nope only people who choose to verbalise 'experiences' to meet their ends - unemployment, sympathy, easy life.

Are you not on IS for something?

Skive

27-10-2006, 03:46 AM

if you're happy enough without them, what's the point? :)

Adventure. A very real human instinct. How do you thing we [humans] found the New World and colonised it?

I was happy before I tried many things, but there's many different things I want to experience in my lifetime.

budda

27-10-2006, 09:43 AM

For a start we need to run quickly away from the concept of 'drugs' as one entity with one set of effects and one end result (normally addiction or death). This idea is completely unhelpful and virtually completely rubbish.

Various drugs have various levels of risk and possible reward, if you are thinking of trying one or more of them then you need to educate yourself on the risks and effects.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 09:49 AM

Drugs:

Dope:
--------
Effects:
if you're comfortable to express yourself then you shouldn't notice any negative effects. just what you'd expect from a drug.

Ecstacy:
Makes you express yourself because you feel comfortable to do so.

Coke:
Makes you talk rubbish to people because you're high and they are not.

Crack:
Pfffffffft, get me some more, i need more crack.

Acid:
im fucked. no your not.

LadyJade

27-10-2006, 10:04 AM

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 10:42 AM

aim higher alex! i'll take this to the top!
but apologies in the meantime. i'll advise my clients to appeal.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 10:46 AM

apologies.
i really can't understand ppl who want to drop out like so many mental health people do. i met some A GRADE people in hospital - attractive ppl with lots going for them with careers ruined (teaching careers for eg) by contact with psychiatrist. for godssake change your ways before you see psychiatrists. they're really respected - wtf!!!

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 11:01 AM

diamond geezer. don't get into that scene. a few pills at a nightclub wont kill you but

1. you'll be dealing with scummy awful people.
truth in 90% there's no harm,
but

2. if you do too much or react badly - BE READY FOR PPL NOT TO help you out. be ready for the panic and confusion that'll instill when you realise that PEOPLE WILL ONLY SMILE AT YOU and not appreciate the fucking nightmare that is going on in your body. you'll panic and no-one will help till an ambulance is called and by then it can be too late. i'm telling you no-one will understand and sympathise with drug induced deaths etc.

don't fucking do it.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 11:09 AM

i've always been exposed to drug panic. listening to helter skelter/rave tapes at 13 MC's were always stopping the music cos someone had collapsed. when i started raving i rember one night at the Que club in birmingham the club had only been open an hour and someone was being pulled out because they'd OD'd on something. i saw him lying there up against the wall on a staircase looking fucked tripping and being dealt with by paramedics and didn't want to give a fuck either like the next man he was fucked. heck what the fuck i was getting high that night and i thought i knew my limits and sure i was OK like half of the ppl who take these drugs.

it wouldn't suit you anyway. don't do drugs, they're waste.

budda

27-10-2006, 11:27 AM

DiamondGeezer; I'm sure you are sharp enough to realise that the ramblings of the previous poster mean little if anything.

mmm_sweeties

27-10-2006, 11:33 AM

drugs are good, thats why people become addicted! people say that pills arnt addictive, but id say they are, just not in the same was as say heroin.. Drugs/alcohol allow yur mind to be taken out of its normal routines and expectations and give it a bit of a roller-coaster ride, hypothetically speaking.. the problem with drugs is some people dont know how much is too much and take far too many, thus inevitably damaging their body... at the end of the day, the choice is up to you, just make sure you educate yourself on what your going to take (i.e. the known effects etc) and learn that all these drugs havnt got an instructions leaflet telling you everything’s going to be 100% okay afterwards, as really nobody fully understands the long term effects of most drugs, so we are all kinda the guinea pigs of the future... :thumb:

StrubbleS

27-10-2006, 11:35 AM

Here's a question for ya.

I've never smoked a ciggy, never done any kind of drug stronger then St John's Wort .. lol

So should I start now or just continue as is being perfectly content the way I am .. or is there something amazing I'm missing?

No.

Save the money.

Skive

27-10-2006, 11:46 AM

Pull your head in Sovereign, you aren't being very helpful. I have issues with your assertion that there is not such thing as mental illness, not in the least because there are many board users who have conditions they would identify as such.
You are entitled to your opinion, but for one thing the weight of evidence is firmly stacked against you, and another you aren't being very respectful of other board users.

This is chap many posters defended in the Home, Law and Money forum because he was looking for a job that would enable him to continue to recieve Income Support and DLA for mental illness.. Something he felt entiltled to because 'it's fair compensation which the tax paying public should meet for being so cruel to me in the street'.

:rolleyes:

DiamondGeezer; I'm sure you are sharp enough to realise that the ramblings of the previous poster mean little if anything.

:yes:

TheSovereign please stop posting such unhelpful crap.

Skive

27-10-2006, 11:55 AM

No.

Hopefully, you won't find anybody here actaully advising anybody else to actually take drugs, but at the same time I was kind of hoping we'd avoid comments telling him specifically not to, especially from those who don't have any personal experience with drugs themselves.

I think the best thing we can do is provide the information on certain drugs, list the certain risks and effects (both positive and negative) and let the poster decide for themselves.

27-10-2006, 11:59 AM

Hmm.. interesting to hear people's responses.

The one drug I have considered is weed, BUT only if I had diabetes and getting Glaucoma and it was the only thing that could save my eyesight.

I can't stand the smell of weed, but if it's a choice between smelling bad, and having to deal with some dodgey people vs going blind I think I know which I'd pick.

Skive

27-10-2006, 12:06 PM

having to deal with some dodgey people

Please don't read into TheSovereign's opinions too much. Not everybody who takes drug is a shady character.

27-10-2006, 12:16 PM

Please don't read into TheSovereign's opinions too much. Not everybody who takes drug is a shady character.

LOL .. OK what I kinda meant was like I'd have to do a bit more then going to Holland & Barret to get the stuff ..

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 12:17 PM

LOL .. OK what I kinda meant was like I'd have to do a bit more then going to Holland & Barret to get the stuff ..

do you mean to score?

watch out for con's, there's so many ppl who will happily sell you anti-psychotics for E or candle wax for Crack.

LadyJade

27-10-2006, 12:23 PM

And there are a vast majority who won't. Exaggerated scare stories don't inform reasoned debate and don't have any place on these boards, thanks very much.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 12:35 PM

no don't get me wrong i'm glad you're taking a liberal approach to drugs. i was once too liberal, i'd do as much as i could get a hold of, but i think if you speak to LOTS of former drug users for example the one who wrote the article from jail on your front page, they will describe how looking back they wish they'd never started.

it's not an exageration. an exageration would be to describe how omg everyone was high and loving it and how everyone wanted to help these guys who were being singled out by authority (secuirty or paramedics) and how everyone rushed to help these guys. the reality is that no-one will help you if you get into a state. no-one will because they wont. they don't want anything to do with you. its these moments you realise who your friends really fucking are.

Skive

27-10-2006, 12:42 PM

n i think if you speak to LOTS of former drug users

There are a plenty of people here that fall into that category, but I don't think you'll find any of them agreeing with some of the twaddle you've been posting.

it's not an exageration. an exageration would be to describe how omg everyone was high and loving it and how everyone wanted to help these guys who were being singled out by authority (secuirty or paramedics) and how everyone rushed to help these guys.

The fact is the majority of people who take drugs do have a good time, with no or very little problem. Of course there are exceptions, and you'll never find us stating that drugs are completely safe, but what you're saying here is just rubbish.

the reality is that no-one will help you if you get into a state. no-one will because they wont. they don't want anything to do with you. its these moments you realise who your friends really fucking are.

That's not down to drugs though, that's down to the fact you've got shite mates.

LadyJade

27-10-2006, 12:46 PM

If you are speaking from experience I am really sorry you found that to be the case, and the boards are here to share experiences.
From a harm minimisation point of view, which is what informs the drugs content on the site, a balanced and evidenced view is the most informative for people to make up their own minds.

budda

27-10-2006, 01:16 PM

otter

27-10-2006, 01:40 PM

Please don't read into TheSovereign's opinions too much. Not everybody who takes drug is a shady character.
of course they are not. i think its quite narrow minded to suppose they are tbh.
DG, if you want to, then it couldn't hurt to try as long as you are careful.
though tbh i'd do something better than weed if i were you ;)

budda

27-10-2006, 01:50 PM

people say that pills arnt addictive, but id say they are, just not in the same was as say heroin..

as really nobody fully understands the long term effects of most drugs, so we are all kinda the guinea pigs of the future... :thumb:

Well those people are wrong, thats hardly a fault of MDMA.

And yes, we do understand (at least in large part) what most drugs will do to the body in the long term, you just have to research it.

Scarlet Pimpernell

27-10-2006, 02:19 PM

as a lot of people have said, it should be fine as long as you thoroughly research what you are taking- the pros and cons and effects. Id also advise trying it in a place you feel secure in with people you feel comfortable with, first time.

i dont think weed would have a hugely powerful impact on you:confused: ( but please correct me if im wrong) so yeah go ahead and try that.
personally, to answer your question if you're missing out then id have to say yes. there ARE risks with taking drugs but ecstasy for example, is well overrated as a 'death drug', and it has given me some of the best experiences of my life. me and my mate were talking about it the other day and we were saying we find it frustrating that there's people we know who'd love it, but wont take it because of its reputation. im very glad i chose to take ecstasy.

however, i do think that drugs CAN BE a slippery slope. i started off at the beginning of the summer having the odd joint in the garage, and by the end of the summer i was doing pills and coke( and had turned down speed and acid as i didnt think i was ready). i think you just have to watch out what you take and how much of it you take. i take pills a couple of times a month now, and although they arent physically addictive i just watch how much i do em.

just be careful and try some soft drugs.

27-10-2006, 02:33 PM

If this is the only situation in which you could imagine using a drug, then this thread if you dont mind me saying is a bit of a waste of time.

Ahh but then I don't think I particular want to go sky diving, but people I've come across who have done it once say that's kinda life changing experience

budda

27-10-2006, 03:24 PM

Ahh but then I don't think I particular want to go sky diving, but people I've come across who have done it once say that's kinda life changing experience

That doesnt really answer my point though does it. You started the thread suggesting you were thinking of trying 'drugs' and asking for advice, but it seems now that you have no intention what so ever. I'm just curious as to why you asked. I'm not trying to have a go at you or anything, I am all for people who dont use joining in debates in the Drugs section, and I dont really have a problem wasting time, I just cant figure out what your motive is.

pill 'ed

27-10-2006, 03:55 PM

DiamondGeezer, I don't think there is any real answer to your question.
I was perfectly happy with my life before I took drugs, but as Skive said, I was curious and I knew that personally I would regret it if I'd never tried them...this isn't the case for everyone. Drugs CAN ruin lives if you let them take control of you, however if you know how to use them and have a good time instead of abusing them then you should be ok...
I don't regret taking drugs at all, they have really opened my mind to things and I've had some of the greatest times in my life on them and I'm fine with them... however I did nearly have a problem a while back where I nearly lost control which could have potentially ruined my life, I won't go into detail but basically I pulled through and I feel I'm a better person because of it.
So basically it's up to you, drugs are fantastic in my opinion but be careful and remember that there ARE risks involved....one last thing...

Take time deciding whether this is the life for you because once you get involved with drugs it's very, very hard to get out.

Blagsta

27-10-2006, 04:20 PM

i dont think weed would have a hugely powerful impact on you:confused: ( but please correct me if im wrong) so yeah go ahead and try that.

Cannabis is probably one of the least harmful drugs there is. However, it can have detrimental effects on some people - it can precipitate psychosis and its use can exarcebate (or even trigger) anxiety and depression.

budda

27-10-2006, 04:22 PM

Take time deciding whether this is the life for you because once you get involved with drugs it's very, very hard to get out.

Taking drugs should not be a way of life.

pill 'ed

27-10-2006, 04:38 PM

Taking drugs should not be a way of life.

You're right, it shouldn't. But unfortunately that is how it usually turns out, which isn't neccesarily a very bad thing as long as you're in control.

VinylVicky

27-10-2006, 04:56 PM

Taking drugs should not be a way of life.depends on the kind of life you have with them!

katralla

27-10-2006, 05:40 PM

depends on the kind of life you have with them!

Yeah definately. There are plenty of people who can take 'em or leave 'em, save it for new years eve and big occasions.

Budda: I think DG wants to know if he's missing out or really not experiencing his life to the fullest by not trying any drugs. I don't see that anyone responding has posted anything to make it seem like drugs are a must do for some amazing reason so he remains unpersuaded...

Littleali

27-10-2006, 05:48 PM

katralla

27-10-2006, 05:50 PM

i cant even believe this topic...

why ask a load of ppl who dont know u, if you should do drugs?

if every1 said yes, would u go do it? or if every1 said no, would u steer clear?

drugs are a personal choice, askin a forum is a bit juvenile

er? excuse me? Why do non religious people go and ask religious people about their faith? Because we are interested in making the most of our experiences as a human and not missing out on something great by not knowing how great it was!

I find your response a bit jouvenile!

Yerascrote

27-10-2006, 06:00 PM

Try this site for a more indepth look at drugs.

www.erowid.org

Personally, I say anyone who hasn't tried drugs like ecstacy or shrooms definately are missing out. These drugs have severe drawbacks though, I've developed a mental illness or sorts from my use of drugs, depends on the person, some people can take drugs and only do them the odd time. Others feel the need to take them as often as possible.

Though lets not get confused, very few drug users actually develop any serious debilitating addiction.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 06:02 PM

it seems hung but the choice is yours. in recent years i've started to be more aware of the law regarding drugs, maybe that could be a factor. another factor to weigh up would be the psychological (not neurological) factors.

i don't believe in depression etc, but lots of ppl report bad comedowns and even err long term depression. someone said the weight of 'evidence' is against me. the evidence says that fleetin experiences with drugs transgress into long term impact on daily life. i don't believe that. but there are 100s of ppl in psychiatric wards who will tell you that cannabis (haha) fucked with their 'mental state'. moreover some say drugs like E are in their infancy with humans that there'll be hundreds of thousands of old ppl come 2050 with degenerative disease etc.

did anyone see the horizon a few years back with the guy with parkinsons who took E to aleviate his symptoms.. it was miraculous. he was chair bound then when he took e he was jumping on trampolines and dancing.

TheSovereign

27-10-2006, 06:04 PM

did anyone see the horizon a few years back with the guy with parkinsons who took E to aleviate his symptoms.. it was miraculous. he was chair bound then when he took e he was jumping on trampolines and dancing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/ecstasyagony.shtml

from the yr2000

Babyshambler

27-10-2006, 06:14 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/ecstasyagony.shtml

from the yr2000

I thought you had left?

Scarlet Pimpernell

27-10-2006, 07:09 PM

i think it was an empty threat

otter

27-10-2006, 07:16 PM

end of the day its your choice
as long as you make an informed choice
no one can tell you if you should or not

Skive

27-10-2006, 07:24 PM

drugs are a personal choice, askin a forum is a bit juvenile

Is it fuck. It's repsonsible to ask those with experience, and hopefully as experienced users we'll give responsible adive.

It's what the boards are here for after all.

VinylVicky

28-10-2006, 09:19 AM

i cant even believe this topic...

why ask a load of ppl who dont know u, if you should do drugs?

if every1 said yes, would u go do it? or if every1 said no, would u steer clear?

drugs are a personal choice, askin a forum is a bit juvenileoh dear god.
what do you think this place really is for? just to post shit and dissmiss good knowledge? It's an advice siteregardless of the subject....and I'd personally take the advice over some of the guys in this forum than asking some of the people I know.
There are some very well informed people in this forum, you obviously don't realise that and you aren't one of them.

Littleali

28-10-2006, 10:28 AM

er? excuse me? Why do non religious people go and ask religious people about their faith? Because we are interested in making the most of our experiences as a human and not missing out on something great by not knowing how great it was!

I find your response a bit jouvenile!
bit of a difference

hmmm should i pray (which doesnt harm any1)

or should i take drugs (which could damage my health, which could become addictive, which could upset my family members....etc)

Littleali

28-10-2006, 10:30 AM

oh dear god.
what do you think this place really is for? just to post shit and dissmiss good knowledge? It's an advice siteregardless of the subject....and I'd personally take the advice over some of the guys in this forum than asking some of the people I know.
There are some very well informed people in this forum, you obviously don't realise that and you aren't one of them.
ahhh right

love they way I`M the one getting moaned at, DESPITE numerous people in here sayin its a personal decision....

pick on the newbie as usual, real mature :banghead:

at the end of the day, if he needs to ask should he do drugs, maybe he shouldnt, unless he is sure he wants to do them, then he shouldnt.........

as for saying i`m not well informed....u know this how? what exactly am i not well informed about huh? drugs? dont judge me just because i think asking people if you should do drugs is a tad sad.

Nikki*

28-10-2006, 10:51 AM

pick on the newbie as usual, real mature :banghead:

No one here is deliberately picking on you because you're new, just that your comments weren't exactly helpful to the thread.

I've just read the entire thread (because I'm practically in the same position as the OP and was curious) and yes, it is a personal decision. But there's nothing wrong with researching peoples viewpoints, and I highly doubt that the poster would have based his decision entirely on what people here say.

pill 'ed

28-10-2006, 11:45 AM

pick on the newbie as usual, real mature :banghead:

at the end of the day, if he needs to ask should he do drugs, maybe he shouldnt, unless he is sure he wants to do them, then he shouldnt.........

as for saying i`m not well informed....u know this how? what exactly am i not well informed about huh? drugs? dont judge me just because i think asking people if you should do drugs is a tad sad.

I'm a newbie and I haven't been picked on yet :D although it is kinda sad when people do...

There was nothing that he said to state that whatever we told him to do he was definately going to do, I think he was just asking for advice and information about it from people with experience which would help him make up his mind

Littleali

28-10-2006, 12:14 PM

I'm a newbie and I haven't been picked on yet :D although it I think he was just asking for advice and information about it from people with experience which would help him make up his mind
:wave:

fair enough.....i dont get why people couldnt just say that instead of resorting to petty, personal insults and swearing...

HIT

28-10-2006, 12:21 PM

at the end of the day, if he needs to ask should he do drugs, maybe he shouldnt, unless he is sure he wants to do them, then he shouldnt.........

as for saying i`m not well informed....u know this how? what exactly am i not well informed about huh? drugs? dont judge me just because i think asking people if you should do drugs is a tad sad.
She has a point, by the nature of DG posts I would say hes an informed adult, so really he shouldn't really be asking this question.

If he wants to use drugs or not it should be a personal decision, rather than asking everyones opinion.

briggi

28-10-2006, 12:26 PM

A lot of people taking drugs for the first time would consult people more knowledgeable on the subject, I know I did! Doesn't matter if they're your mates or people on a forum like this, I definitely think it makes sense.

As for the actual question, of course it's a choice you can only actually make yourself, and no one here is going to say "take drugs, take drugs, take drugs" because that'd be irresponsible as we all know there is a risk with illegal substances - however minimal. I, personally, would say the more experiences the better, but that's because the vast majority of my experiences on drugs have been amazing. I suppose it also depends on where you want your experiences to take you.

Skive

28-10-2006, 01:06 PM

VinylVicky

28-10-2006, 01:10 PM

ahhh right

love they way I`M the one getting moaned at, DESPITE numerous people in here sayin its a personal decision....

pick on the newbie as usual, real mature :banghead:

at the end of the day, if he needs to ask should he do drugs, maybe he shouldnt, unless he is sure he wants to do them, then he shouldnt.........

as for saying i`m not well informed....u know this how? what exactly am i not well informed about huh? drugs? dont judge me just because i think asking people if you should do drugs is a tad sad.
Pick on the newbie? I hadn't even looked at your joined date! I was simply expressing my opinion on your opinion. Caling me names will gain you no respect.
You can't be well informed if you can't see the positives of this thread.
If you don't want other people's opinions, don't give your own.

Littleali

28-10-2006, 04:13 PM

Pick on the newbie? I hadn't even looked at your joined date! I was simply expressing my opinion on your opinion. Caling me names will gain you no respect.
You can't be well informed if you can't see the positives of this thread.
If you don't want other people's opinions, don't give your own.
ok...a few things....

please indicate where i called u a name

i am well informed, on a lot of things, i`m just a firm believer that if ur gonna do drugs, you should do them because u want to, u shouldnt need an opinion

this thread asked for opinions, i however didnt, therefore the whole "dont give ur opinion if u dont want mine" thing is a weak argument.....

smitherz

28-10-2006, 04:15 PM

opinions are good so the person can weigh up their options and then decide. Its better jumping in to something when you know other peoples views and facts

Littleali

28-10-2006, 04:15 PM

Littleali the drug forum is here primarily to allow people to ask for advice about substances that can ulimately be very dangerous. Therefore I think it's repsonsible to ask those with experience, and hopefully as experienced users we'll give responsible adive. This forum is an excellent place to do some research into drugs if you're considering trying them.

The original poster's question wasn't just as simple as 'Should take drugs?', he was looking for more than just a simple yes or no, and he wanted to know if he was missing out on somehting amazing.

...and calling somebody 'sad' or 'juvenile' for asking advice on a board specifically designed for such a purpose is far from helpful is it?fair enough :)

but to me thats exactly what his post was askin

he asked it in the thread title, then asked it again in the actual post

he didnt ask for people`s opinions on different drugs, or ask for experiences, he asked should he take them or not, i responded to that

as for my post not being helpful, neither is swearing at me.......

Yerascrote

28-10-2006, 04:42 PM

It was a more of a retrospective question: i.e. Should I take drugs as in the fact that I've went through my whole life and not experienced and am missing out on something amazing.

Not-Should I take drugs because I'm going to do whatever you lot tell me.

Skive

28-10-2006, 06:15 PM

fair enough :)

but to me thats exactly what his post was askin

He asked if there was something amazing he was missing out on? He wanted opinions.

he didnt ask for people`s opinions on different drugs, or ask for experiences, he asked should he take them or not, i responded to that

Look back at the first few posts, does it look like he was asking for a simple yes or no?

If you want to learn about something your contemplating trying, whether it be drugs or sky diving for instance, then a little a little research is the clever thing to do. This doesn't just mean looking up facts it means talking to people with experience, something we have in abundance here.

as for my post not being helpful, neither is swearing at me.......

Sometimes I swear to highlight a point, it doesn't mean I swore at you, or that I was pickign on you for being new. Stop trying to be a victim.

Skive

28-10-2006, 06:16 PM

remotebleeper

28-10-2006, 06:26 PM

I have been wondering about trying drugs for a while now...still have not made up my mind, which I guess means I am not ready to. Asking for advice on a board like this where there are plenty of people to offer their experiences seems like a good idea to me.

I'm the same as the OP in that I think I'm missing out on some experience that only pills have to offer and the fact that I haven't tried it is limiting my life experiences...but then I think there are plenty of other things that I'm not willing to try doing (like sky diving for example) so...ah i dunno, just rambling.

Its a shame this thread has turned into an argument really because I bet there are quite a few people thinking of trying drugs that would have found it really useful.

VinylVicky

28-10-2006, 06:26 PM

ok...a few things....

please indicate where i called u a name

i am well informed, on a lot of things, i`m just a firm believer that if ur gonna do drugs, you should do them because u want to, u shouldnt need an opinion

this thread asked for opinions, i however didnt, therefore the whole "dont give ur opinion if u dont want mine" thing is a weak argument.....
My apologies, you referred to the OP as a tad sad, not me but you still won't gain respect for that.

So you think that someone who thinks they would like to do drugs, should just go out and do them becasue they want to, without doing any researchinto the positives and negatives? Just go into it blindly without consulting other people's knowledge? That's exactly how drugs get mis-used and people get themselves into bad situations.

"dont give ur opinion if u dont want mine"
This is not an argument - you came into this thread all hot headed and carried on with the same attitude after my response.
The rest of my text is arguing your point and if you want to carry on, I'll argue 'til the cows come home. You're never going to win this one.

I think Diamond is being very responsible and getting himself clued up about drugs before either deciding to take them or not. Even if he was never going to, at least he has some info on them from experienced users. You never know a situation 'til you are in one and he may be offered them in the future. If all the evidence here has swayed him into not being interested, at least he knows this so he can whole heartedly turn the drugs down. Rather than taking them and finding out the effects after.

VinylVicky

28-10-2006, 06:27 PM

Its a shame this thread has turned into an argument really because I bet there are quite a few people thinking of trying drugs that would have found it really useful.
Yes it is a shame but let's see if we can all get back on the topic of the thread and give the guy the answers and knowledge he's looking for.

Calvin

28-10-2006, 10:28 PM

You are your own person. Nobody these days can claim not to know the dangers of taking drugs.

So try it ! Im not encouraging you, all im saying is try whatever you want to try. You may find that its not all what people make it out to be.

I ended up taking drugs because my friends did (yes I know Im weak and easily swayed!) but the whole mystery has gone for me now. I know what it feels like and Im quite happy getting drunk, there is no longer a big mystery around drugs for me.

The only way you can learn is by trying :D

As long as you have the facts, you can make your own decissions.

:thumb:

katralla

28-10-2006, 10:39 PM

bit of a difference

hmmm should i pray (which doesnt harm any1)

Well, I beg to differ. This isn't the board for it but I can see arguements for and against religion, including argument on the possible harm casued or causable by praying. If you care to continue this discussion, please do so whilst adhearing to the board rules. If you are having difficulty reading the rules, you might find a screen reader comes in handy. If however, you have difficulty comprehending them, you're probably beyond help.

smitherz

29-10-2006, 05:17 PM

This topic is going all over the place. As this is a "drug forum" there is nothing wrong about asking these kinds of questions, thats what its here for.

At least the original poster can make an educated decision on what ever he decides to take, to be quite frank its more stupid diving in to drugs not knowing anything about them, the effects, the science of how it works and how to keep your self safe.

I would say hes an informed adult, so really he shouldn't really be asking this question.

If he was informed then he wouldnt be asking, he obviously wants everyone's views on this board, he then can make a safe decision.

HIT

29-10-2006, 06:02 PM

This topic is going all over the place. As this is a "drug forum" there is nothing wrong about asking these kinds of questions, thats what its here for.

At least the original poster can make an educated decision on what ever he decides to take, to be quite frank its more stupid diving in to drugs not knowing anything about them, the effects, the science of how it works and how to keep your self safe.

If he was informed then he wouldnt be asking, he obviously wants everyone's views on this board, he then can make a safe decision.
I didnt mean informed on drugs, I ment an informed person in general.